If fear has a new name, it will be Pakistan cricket

[fight_club]

"Their was no shock or disbelief on the Meek surrender. A complete mismatch where India looked every inch a winner and Pakistan appeared too afraid. If fear has a new name it will be Pakistan cricket"

It was first time over two decade's when I didn't watch a Pakistan vs India encore in World Cup. I didn't feel like obliging myself to the inevitable thrashing which was fittingly in store for Pakistan.

I got the news that Pakistan has won the toss and elected to get thrashed. I am sure he would't have mumbled "Pakistan is the best chasing side. I have full faith in my 4 batsmen that they can easily chase anything below 350"

Only a psychologists will be able to tell us why people choose to jump to death when they see fire. Fear and panic makes people do crazy things and Pakistan captain is a shameful picture of above two and the sorry team which he has chosen cut a sorry figure of a bunch which is just looking for a less of the two evils.

To bat first and get bowled out cheaply or prolong the inevitable. The decision is never based on any confidence to chase a total or any faith in the batting depth but the summary of the decision is a sum total of singular objective, Fear

One would have hoped that after Australia Match the Management must have learned its lessons. It was expected that dead wood like Malik would be dropped and Pakistan would Bat first no matter what but really you can't even feel sorry for these lads anymore.

Pakistan Team can only do one thing to redeem itself and that is to play for pride forget about the Semi final spot etc. Just give everything you have now you are done the blunders of selection than rest Malik and Hassan give chance to youngsters who may be little more fearless and proud.


They will have one week to gather themselves and their wits. IF Malik and Hassan Play in the next match I request all Supporters to write E-mails and letters to PCB, Media, Social media that We will not watch them. The millions of supporter do wait for years for this tripe. I will Boycott all Pakistan Match.

If I see names of Malik and Hassan in the team sheet If you want are going to lose least give opportunity to youngsters who might have a little more fire than those So called Experienced blokes


From tigers to Lambs the transformation is complete they look more listless than those discarded trains in the junkyards now they will have to play for some pride show us some fire and courage we know petty well their levels of skills or lack of it but its the pathetic attitude which is stinking with fear and that's not acceptable anymore now.



Fight_club

 

[Pete Rose]

It’s been apparent for 20 years now. Since 1999 World Cup final, Pakistan has been a mentally weak team. It’s not new

 

[MenInG]

After loss to India in Asia Cup, Mickey Arthur said players were afraid of India game, nothing changed since.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

After loss to India in Asia Cup, Mickey Arthur said players were afraid of India game, nothing changed since.

Now they're afraid and pathetic. Sad but true. Haven't seen a batting lineup whose tail is better than its middle order in terms of batting.

 

[Ronaldo7]

After loss to India in Asia Cup, Mickey Arthur said players were afraid of India game, nothing changed since.

That's just embarrassing.

 

[Ahmed216]

After loss to India in Asia Cup, Mickey Arthur said players were afraid of India game, nothing changed since.

This fear stems from weakness,when you know you are not good enough. When you havent put in the hard yards

 

[Ahmed216]

Selfish,lazy,shameless,callous and cowards is how i would describe these players

 

[Ram Shekhar]

After loss to India in Asia Cup, Mickey Arthur said players were afraid of India game, nothing changed since.

How is it even possible? Pakistan won the champions trophy final and even after that they were afraid? Doesn't make sense!

 

[Shafi]

Its because most of the selection of players based on corruption, bias, link, region.....instead of merit. These players already know they are not good enough so fear better players or team is normal.

 

[Captain caveman]

"Their was no shock or disbelief on the Meek surrender. A complete mismatch where India looked every inch a winner and Pakistan appeared too afraid. If fear has a new name it will be Pakistan cricket"

It was first time over two decade's when I didn't watch a Pakistan vs India encore in World Cup. I didn't feel like obliging myself to the inevitable thrashing which was fittingly in store for Pakistan.

I got the news that Pakistan has won the toss and elected to get thrashed. I am sure he would't have mumbled "Pakistan is the best chasing side. I have full faith in my 4 batsmen that they can easily chase anything below 350"

Only a psychologists will be able to tell us why people choose to jump to death when they see fire. Fear and panic makes people do crazy things and Pakistan captain is a shameful picture of above two and the sorry team which he has chosen cut a sorry figure of a bunch which is just looking for a less of the two evils.

To bat first and get bowled out cheaply or prolong the inevitable. The decision is never based on any confidence to chase a total or any faith in the batting depth but the summary of the decision is a sum total of singular objective, Fear

One would have hoped that after Australia Match the Management must have learned its lessons. It was expected that dead wood like Malik would be dropped and Pakistan would Bat first no matter what but really you can't even feel sorry for these lads anymore.

Pakistan Team can only do one thing to redeem itself and that is to play for pride forget about the Semi final spot etc. Just give everything you have now you are done the blunders of selection than rest Malik and Hassan give chance to youngsters who may be little more fearless and proud.


They will have one week to gather themselves and their wits. IF Malik and Hassan Play in the next match I request all Supporters to write E-mails and letters to PCB, Media, Social media that We will not watch them. The millions of supporter do wait for years for this tripe. I will Boycott all Pakistan Match.

If I see names of Malik and Hassan in the team sheet If you want are going to lose least give opportunity to youngsters who might have a little more fire than those So called Experienced blokes


From tigers to Lambs the transformation is complete they look more listless than those discarded trains in the junkyards now they will have to play for some pride show us some fire and courage we know petty well their levels of skills or lack of it but its the pathetic attitude which is stinking with fear and that's not acceptable anymore now.



Fight_club

Harsh, but very true,
except for one fact,
WE CAN STILL QUALIFY FOR THE SEMIS!
Yes we will have to rely on other teams results , as well as win our last 4 matches and hope the rain does not come back, but until we do not lose another match, we can STILL qualify!

 

[Captain caveman]

harsh, but very true,
except for one fact,
we can still qualify for the semis!
Yes we will have to rely on other teams results , as well as win our last 4 matches and hope the rain does not come back, but until we do not lose another match, we can still qualify!

right us off, at your peril!

 

[Kroll]

When I first saw the title, I thought you meant teams were now going to fear Pakistan cricket! as though it implied that Pakistan were now going to rebound and conquer all before them. Alas, it all makes sense now.

 

[Mamoon]

This is exactly the type of sugarcoating that we need to overcome if we are to tread on the road to redemption. It is not fear - it is mediocrity. The truth is that we are simply not good enough.

Playing with courage, playing with pride etc. mean nothing. When you are not good enough, you are not good enough. The matter of fact is that Pakistan is a rubbish team and we are producing rubbish players. We did not beat England because we played without fear or whatever; we beat England because apart from Root and Buttler, all of their key players failed.

That is the blueprint for this Pakistan team when it comes to beating vastly superior sides. Not only do we have to play very well, we also have to hope that the opposition plays below par. That is what happened in the England game but didn't happen against Australia and India.

We are in a state of denial and cannot accept the fact that we are a thoroughly average cricket team. That is why before we talk about restructuring domestic cricket, changing the pitches and the balls etc., we must change our mentality which is rotten to the core.

We need to change how we think about the game, how we perceive our problems and weaknesses, and how we assess where we stand as a cricket team. Only in Pakistan will you see overemphasis on intangibles like fear, courage, pride etc. etc.

 

[Shafi]

This is exactly the type of sugarcoating that we need to overcome if we are to tread on the road to redemption. It is not fear - it is mediocrity. The truth is that we are simply not good enough.

Playing with courage, playing with pride etc. mean nothing. When you are not good enough, you are not good enough. The matter of fact is that Pakistan is a rubbish team and we are producing rubbish players. We did not beat England because we played without fear or whatever; we beat England because apart from Root and Buttler, all of their key players failed.

That is the blueprint for this Pakistan team when it comes to beating vastly superior sides. Not only do we have to play very well, we also have to hope that the opposition plays below par. That is what happened in the England game but didn't happen against Australia and India.

We are in a state of denial and cannot accept the fact that we are a thoroughly average cricket team. That is why before we talk about restructuring domestic cricket, changing the pitches and the balls etc., we must change our mentality which is rotten to the core.

We need to change how we think about the game, how we perceive our problems and weaknesses, and how we assess where we stand as a cricket team. Only in Pakistan will you see overemphasis on intangibles like fear, courage, pride etc. etc.

Brother your view of Wasim Khan's future contribution of Pakistan cricket and the future of our cricket. Is there any ray of hope or we will be lost in the history book?

 

[Captain caveman]

This is exactly the type of sugarcoating that we need to overcome if we are to tread on the road to redemption. It is not fear - it is mediocrity. The truth is that we are simply not good enough.

Playing with courage, playing with pride etc. mean nothing. When you are not good enough, you are not good enough. The matter of fact is that Pakistan is a rubbish team and we are producing rubbish players. We did not beat England because we played without fear or whatever; we beat England because apart from Root and Buttler, all of their key players failed.

That is the blueprint for this Pakistan team when it comes to beating vastly superior sides. Not only do we have to play very well, we also have to hope that the opposition plays below par. That is what happened in the England game but didn't happen against Australia and India.

We are in a state of denial and cannot accept the fact that we are a thoroughly average cricket team. That is why before we talk about restructuring domestic cricket, changing the pitches and the balls etc., we must change our mentality which is rotten to the core.

We need to change how we think about the game, how we perceive our problems and weaknesses, and how we assess where we stand as a cricket team. Only in Pakistan will you see overemphasis on intangibles like fear, courage, pride etc. etc.

You can believe this team is rubbish, thats your opinion and perogrative.
But i told you before, you don't beat the
no. 1 team in the world by luck or because they have underperformed.
You beat the no.1 team in the world because you have OUTPERFORMED them.

LEARN TO GIVE CREDIT WHERE IT IS DUE!

On your point about fixing the systemi agree with you.

 

[Ahmed216]

You can believe this team is rubbish, thats your opinion and perogrative.
But i told you before, you don't beat the
no. 1 team in the world by luck or because they have underperformed.
You beat the no.1 team in the world because you have OUTPERFORMED them.

LEARN TO GIVE CREDIT WHERE IT IS DUE!

On your point about fixing the systemi agree with you.

Brother m sorry but that is how the fans of minnow teams behave. They feed off rare wins against top oppositions.
Cant you see we have rarely won against top teams in last 3-4 years

 

[Mamoon]

Brother your view of Wasim Khan's future contribution of Pakistan cricket and the future of our cricket. Is there any ray of hope or we will be lost in the history book?

I think Wasim Khan's appointment was an inefficient process. I don't doubt his credentials, but I don't think that restructuring domestic cricket should come at a cost of 40 lakh rupees per month. Our fans get excited very easily, but if Wasim Khan fails to deliver, he will prove to be an extraordinarily expensive mistake. Who will shoulder the responsibility - Wasim Khan himself, Ehsan Mani or Imran Khan?

Pakistan needed a PCB Chairman with confidence in his abilities - someone who would have taken charge of restructuring domestic cricket himself. Imran Khan claimed that PCB is in doldrums because the PM appoints the PCB Chairman, but after taking oath as PM, he found a mummy in England and appointed him as PCB Chairman, whose first contribution was to invent a new position in PCB's hierarchy at 40 lakh rupees per month, and delegate all responsibilities to him.

Furthermore, Imran Khan has already provided the framework of the new domestic setup, and PCB have decided to implement that with a few minor tweaks. There is no reason why Ehsan Mani could not have done that himself in collaboration with the Director of Domestic Cricket Operations, the Director of Academies and the Chief Curator.

Also, some of Wasim Khan's ideas are impractical. He talks about initiating an exchange program with the ECB involving umpires and curators, but there is nothing in it for the ECB and I don't see them paying a penny. As a result, PCB will be spending a fortune in bringing English umpires/curators to Pakistan and sending Pakistani umpires/curators to England. A fruitless, needless and expensive exercise.

Unless he can convince the ECB to arrange a full tour of Pakistan, I don't see him appointment as worthwhile, and I don't see him doing anything that a more enterprising chairman could not have achieved.

As far as our future is concerned, as I have said before, Pakistan has the second biggest talent pool and the second biggest market in the game. There is absolutely no reason why we cannot be a major power, but nothing will change as long as we don't change our mentality.

 

[Mamoon]

You can believe this team is rubbish, thats your opinion and perogrative.
But i told you before, you don't beat the
no. 1 team in the world by luck or because they have underperformed.
You beat the no.1 team in the world because you have OUTPERFORMED them.

LEARN TO GIVE CREDIT WHERE IT IS DUE!

On your point about fixing the systemi agree with you.

I refuse to give credit to a team that is ranked 6th and loses to the major teams about 80% of the time. We are a "tukka" team that is reliant on the superior teams having a bad day against us.

 

[Mr.Q]

I feel more than fear, it’s the burden of expectations that’s hurting them. Look at Bangladesh. They’re playing freely without any fear because they’re not carrying the weight of expectations on their shoulders. Pak fans should try to put less pressure on their team.

 

[Shafi]

I think Wasim Khan's appointment was an inefficient process. I don't doubt his credentials, but I don't think that restructuring domestic cricket should come at a cost of 40 lakh rupees per month. Our fans get excited very easily, but if Wasim Khan fails to deliver, he will prove to be an extraordinarily expensive mistake. Who will shoulder the responsibility - Wasim Khan himself, Ehsan Mani or Imran Khan?

Pakistan needed a PCB Chairman with confidence in his abilities - someone who would have taken charge of restructuring domestic cricket himself. Imran Khan claimed that PCB is in doldrums because the PM appoints the PCB Chairman, but after taking oath as PM, he found a mummy in England and appointed him as PCB Chairman, whose first contribution was to invent a new position in PCB's hierarchy at 40 lakh rupees per month, and delegate all responsibilities to him.

Furthermore, Imran Khan has already provided the framework of the new domestic setup, and PCB have decided to implement that with a few minor tweaks. There is no reason why Ehsan Mani could not have done that himself in collaboration with the Director of Domestic Cricket Operations, the Director of Academies and the Chief Curator.

Also, some of Wasim Khan's ideas are impractical. He talks about initiating an exchange program with the ECB involving umpires and curators, but there is nothing in it for the ECB and I don't see them paying a penny. As a result, PCB will be spending a fortune in bringing English umpires/curators to Pakistan and sending Pakistani umpires/curators to England. A fruitless, needless and expensive exercise.

Unless he can convince the ECB to arrange a full tour of Pakistan, I don't see him appointment as worthwhile, and I don't see him doing anything that a more enterprising chairman could not have achieved.

As far as our future is concerned, as I have said before, Pakistan has the second biggest talent pool and the second biggest market in the game. There is absolutely no reason why we cannot be a major power, but nothing will change as long as we don't change our mentality.

Are you saying we have better talent pool than Bangladesh?

 

[Khan12]

I think Wasim Khan's appointment was an inefficient process. I don't doubt his credentials, but I don't think that restructuring domestic cricket should come at a cost of 40 lakh rupees per month. Our fans get excited very easily, but if Wasim Khan fails to deliver, he will prove to be an extraordinarily expensive mistake. Who will shoulder the responsibility - Wasim Khan himself, Ehsan Mani or Imran Khan?

Pakistan needed a PCB Chairman with confidence in his abilities - someone who would have taken charge of restructuring domestic cricket himself. Imran Khan claimed that PCB is in doldrums because the PM appoints the PCB Chairman, but after taking oath as PM, he found a mummy in England and appointed him as PCB Chairman, whose first contribution was to invent a new position in PCB's hierarchy at 40 lakh rupees per month, and delegate all responsibilities to him.

Furthermore, Imran Khan has already provided the framework of the new domestic setup, and PCB have decided to implement that with a few minor tweaks. There is no reason why Ehsan Mani could not have done that himself in collaboration with the Director of Domestic Cricket Operations, the Director of Academies and the Chief Curator.

Also, some of Wasim Khan's ideas are impractical. He talks about initiating an exchange program with the ECB involving umpires and curators, but there is nothing in it for the ECB and I don't see them paying a penny. As a result, PCB will be spending a fortune in bringing English umpires/curators to Pakistan and sending Pakistani umpires/curators to England. A fruitless, needless and expensive exercise.

Unless he can convince the ECB to arrange a full tour of Pakistan, I don't see him appointment as worthwhile, and I don't see him doing anything that a more enterprising chairman could not have achieved.

As far as our future is concerned, as I have said before, Pakistan has the second biggest talent pool and the second biggest market in the game. There is absolutely no reason why we cannot be a major power, but nothing will change as long as we don't change our mentality.

So we do do have a future since we have got the second biggest talent pool and we can be a major power. So not all doom and gloom then? Or was this a slip of tongue.

 

[Mamoon]

Are you saying we have better talent pool than Bangladesh?

The quality of talent is a product of your system. You will go through peaks and troughs from time to time, but if your system is good, you will always remain competitive. For e.g., Australia is not very good at the moment, but their cricket setup will ensure that they will never become poster boys of mediocrity like Pakistan.

This notion that Pakistan is the most naturally talented cricket team in the world is one of the many nonsense myths and cliches associated with us. It is absolute drivel. It is all about how you produce and nurture talents.

France is the most talent-rich football country in the game at the moment. If they decide to convert Clairefontaine and their other 11 state-of-the-art of football academies into cricket academies, 30 years from now, they will be a leading cricket nation as well.

Pakistan has an advantage over all teams (minus India) when it comes to the size of its talent pool, but we are unable to utilise it because we don't have proper academies throughout the country and our school cricket is a dead duck. The lack of school cricket has made cricket a poor man's sport in Pakistan, which means that we are not maximising our talent pool.

Kids from elite, upper and middle-class are not considering cricket as a genuine career option because it interferes with their academics, and as long as the best schools in Pakistan do not take cricket seriously, we will not be able to get kids from these social classes into the game.

 

[Mamoon]

So we do do have a future since we have got the second biggest talent pool and we can be a major power. So not all doom and gloom then? Or was this a slip of tongue.

Unless the world ends tomorrow, there is no reason why Pakistan cricket cannot rise. However, I don't see it happening because our mentality is rotten to the core and we don't realise it. That is why I predict doom and gloom.

 

[Shafi]

Unless the world ends tomorrow, there is no reason why Pakistan cricket cannot rise. However, I don't see it happening because our mentality is rotten to the core and we don't realise it. That is why I predict doom and gloom.

Thanks for your opinion!!!! But there is a little bit of contradiction.

You said we have no reason to rise that's positive but
"I don't see it happening because our mentality is rotten to the core and we don't realise it." means it will never rise if people are same.

 

[Khan12]

Unless the world ends tomorrow, there is no reason why Pakistan cricket cannot rise. However, I don't see it happening because our mentality is rotten to the core and we don't realise it. That is why I predict doom and gloom.

So what needs to change then?

 

[Khan12]

The quality of talent is a product of your system. You will go through peaks and troughs from time to time, but if your system is good, you will always remain competitive. For e.g., Australia is not very good at the moment, but their cricket setup will ensure that they will never become poster boys of mediocrity like Pakistan.

This notion that Pakistan is the most naturally talented cricket team in the world is one of the many nonsense myths and cliches associated with us. It is absolute drivel. It is all about how you produce and nurture talents.

France is the most talent-rich football country in the game at the moment. If they decide to convert Clairefontaine and their other 11 state-of-the-art of football academies into cricket academies, 30 years from now, they will be a leading cricket nation as well.

Pakistan has an advantage over all teams (minus India) when it comes to the size of its talent pool, but we are unable to utilise it because we don't have proper academies throughout the country and our school cricket is a dead duck. The lack of school cricket has made cricket a poor man's sport in Pakistan, which means that we are not maximising our talent pool.

Kids from elite, upper and middle-class are not considering cricket as a genuine career option because it interferes with their academics, and as long as the best schools in Pakistan do not take cricket seriously, we will not be able to get kids from these social classes into the game.

Completely agree with this. Plus need to get honest people running our cricket. Not clowns like mohsin, qadir, inzi etc.

 

[Markhor]

It’s been apparent for 20 years now. Since 1999 World Cup final, Pakistan has been a mentally weak team. It’s not new

Oh I can think of a few more bottlejobs even before that. The 1995 Faisalabad Test v Sri Lanka, 1996 QF and the botched chase v SAF in 1997.

If you want to be cruel, you could argue Pakistan have always been mentally weak at key moments - 1973 Sydney Test, the 1975 match v West Indies, the 1979 SF, the 1987 SF v Aus...

Where's that Maqbool Babri ?

 

[Mamoon]

Thanks for your opinion!!!! But there is a little bit of contradiction.

You said we have no reason to rise that's positive but
"I don't see it happening because our mentality is rotten to the core and we don't realise it." means it will never rise if people are same.

We will not rise if we don't change our mentality. I personally don't think we are capable of doing that because we don't even realise that we have a problem. I of course wish it happens, but I am not hopeful.

 

[Mamoon]

So what needs to change then?

We must accept that there is a genuine problem with our mentality.

We take pride in being unpredictable, mercurial, cornered tigers etc. which is utter nonsense. We blame BCCI and ICC for our failings, we play the victim card at the drop of a hat and we make outlandish claims that India is afraid to play Pakistan in bilateral.

If we start by cleansing our system from such crap, we will go a long way in our improving our rotten mentality.

 

[Kriketer]

Yes overall in last couple of years Pakistan cricket has declined. Apart from CT, our team in bilateral ODI series has been quite mediocre. Unpredictable tag is fun and had a true claim in the past, but in the recent past we have consistently lost many ODIs in various series. With players like Fakhar and Babar batting has partially stabilized but we have desperately been lacking the likes of pinch hitter like Razzaq and good old Afridi days.

As for this world cup, I am not counting out Pakistan as they still in it and could make it through. But unrealistically speaking even if they were to even win the world cup, they would go back to losing more in bilateral series because of infrastructure, selection, grooming and unprofessionalism flaws in Pakistan cricket.

 

[Khan12]

We must accept that there is a genuine problem with our mentality.

We take pride in being unpredictable, mercurial, cornered tigers etc. which is utter nonsense. We blame BCCI and ICC for our failings, we play the victim card at the drop of a hat and we make outlandish claims that India is afraid to play Pakistan in bilateral.

If we start by cleansing our system from such crap, we will go a long way in our improving our rotten mentality.

But how it this going to make us a better team when we have malik, hafeez, hasan, wahab, sarfraz and so on? So you are telling me when they remove this mentality they will suddenly become good? So basically you are saying we should praise India in every sentence in order to change our mentality and become good?

 

[Mamoon]

But how it this going to make us a better team when we have malik, hafeez, hasan, wahab, sarfraz and so on? So you are telling me when they remove this mentality they will suddenly become good? So basically you are saying we should praise India in every sentence in order to change our mentality and become good?

It will not make us a better team overnight. Absolutely nothing will change in the short-term. Pakistan cricket has a disease and all these players are infected by the virus. We have to think long-term. Again, we must use India as an example because both countries have historically had very similar mentality.

You can either hope for a captain to emerge with elite mentality or you can make changes as an institution. BCCI did both, and it transformed the mentality of Indian cricket.

 

[ak619]

The quality of talent is a product of your system. You will go through peaks and troughs from time to time, but if your system is good, you will always remain competitive. For e.g., Australia is not very good at the moment, but their cricket setup will ensure that they will never become poster boys of mediocrity like Pakistan.

This notion that Pakistan is the most naturally talented cricket team in the world is one of the many nonsense myths and cliches associated with us. It is absolute drivel. It is all about how you produce and nurture talents.

France is the most talent-rich football country in the game at the moment. If they decide to convert Clairefontaine and their other 11 state-of-the-art of football academies into cricket academies, 30 years from now, they will be a leading cricket nation as well.

Pakistan has an advantage over all teams (minus India) when it comes to the size of its talent pool, but we are unable to utilise it because we don't have proper academies throughout the country and our school cricket is a dead duck. The lack of school cricket has made cricket a poor man's sport in Pakistan, which means that we are not maximising our talent pool.

Kids from elite, upper and middle-class are not considering cricket as a genuine career option because it interferes with their academics, and as long as the best schools in Pakistan do not take cricket seriously, we will not be able to get kids from these social classes into the game.

Wholeheartedly agree with you on this, Mamoon.

India's real strength lies in it's school cricket and Under-12/14/16/19/21 level cricket.

India has these under-something team at every stage - club (division 2/3), ranji and national.

Organizations with thorough structures and respect for the processes within those structures will always perform better than others. That's the truth of the 21st century.

 

[Markhor]

Wholeheartedly agree with you on this, Mamoon.

India's real strength lies in it's school cricket and Under-12/14/16/19/21 level cricket.

India has these under-something team at every stage - club (division 2/3), ranji and national.

Organizations with thorough structures and respect for the processes within those structures will always perform better than others. That's the truth of the 21st century.

Yep, it's no coincidence that teams that relied upon individual star players in the past than on a sturdy system like Pakistan, Sri Lanka and West Indies have declined. I've mentioned in another thread that the reason why India are dominating is because they invested the money from television and IPL where its needed MOST - the grassroots namely U15 and U19 cricket. That's why the strength in depth is such that quality young batsmen like Shaw, Gill, Pant, or a Test triple centurion like Nair cannot even get a game !

By the time these guys have spent a few seasons in Ranji Trophy, they are close to finished articles and can hit the ground running in internationals. Virat Kohli himself cited Ranji Trophy as the reason for India's win in Australia last winter. Whereas we treat Quaid-e-Azam Trophy like a stepchild.

We need to start with the school system. PCB should work with the Government to fund cricket scholarships so that kids can pursue their education and their cricketing ambitions. Set up a National Schools Tournament featuring 16 of the best school teams across the country, and attach a top Pakistani coach and, if willing to travel, an overseas coach to each team.

Coaching is just as critical as the playing side. We must train coaches like we train players. We need a National Coaching Programme - only coaches with the qualifications should coach domestic teams not entitled ex-players looking for paycheck. Similarly, we need to train and pay curators properly, with penalties for underprepared surfaces.

Further up the system, implement Wasim Khan's proposed domestic structure in full. Prioritise quality not quantity with fewer teams ensuring youngsters play hard, competitive cricket. THAT'S where fielding and fitness standards CANNOT be compromised. Every team must have a fitness and fielding coach, with financial penalties on players who fail to meet minimum standards.

Our media must lead the discourse but they're too busy talking about jazba, passion, and how if only we hire Shoaib Akhtar as coach.

 

[Shafi]

It will not make us a better team overnight. Absolutely nothing will change in the short-term. Pakistan cricket has a disease and all these players are infected by the virus. We have to think long-term. Again, we must use India as an example because both countries have historically had very similar mentality.

You can either hope for a captain to emerge with elite mentality or you can make changes as an institution. BCCI did both, and it transformed the mentality of Indian cricket.

Don't forget BD has even worse attitude than us. Every time they loose to them called it umpires' fault, this not given, that not given........ they even blame Pakistan umpire unfair for loss against India
But still they are improving a lot with those attitude.
Your statement is very correct but there is more to that for our failure. Both selectors and management fail to pick right players for this World Cup. I think there is lack of honest and many picks are based on favoritism rather than merit.

 

[Kianig89]

Team not good enough its like Manchester city vs Watford@

 

[Extra_Cover]

I agree with what Mamoon has posted above. There was one big moment in the game which was Kuldeep vs Babar/Fakhar (2 of Pak premier batsmen). Kuldeep made them look like a bunny out there, Babar stuggled to get singles against him and was quite comprehensively bowled. Tell me the last time a premier batsman from another country got clean bowled while defending in limited overs cricket.

This brings me back to the original point, its not a point of mentality its about skillset which our premier players also don’t have for their international level competitors.

There is only one way forward and its a long and difficult one but we need to bring better structure and coaching into our system and only select players who have desire to learn regardless of talent

 

[fight_club]

This is exactly the type of sugarcoating that we need to overcome if we are to tread on the road to redemption. It is not fear - it is mediocrity. The truth is that we are simply not good enough.

Playing with courage, playing with pride etc. mean nothing. When you are not good enough, you are not good enough. The matter of fact is that Pakistan is a rubbish team and we are producing rubbish players. We did not beat England because we played without fear or whatever; we beat England because apart from Root and Buttler, all of their key players failed.

That is the blueprint for this Pakistan team when it comes to beating vastly superior sides. Not only do we have to play very well, we also have to hope that the opposition plays below par. That is what happened in the England game but didn't happen against Australia and India.

We are in a state of denial and cannot accept the fact that we are a thoroughly average cricket team. That is why before we talk about restructuring domestic cricket, changing the pitches and the balls etc., we must change our mentality which is rotten to the core.

We need to change how we think about the game, how we perceive our problems and weaknesses, and how we assess where we stand as a cricket team. Only in Pakistan will you see overemphasis on intangibles like fear, courage, pride etc. etc.

Well I agree on some and totally disagree on others, but first and foremost lets understand what am I
trying to Suggests When I say Lets play with some pride and fire.

No arguments on What ails Pakistan cricket you and me have shed enough light on so many of those
shortcomings and than to some extent resigned to the fate about Pakistan cricket which never worked
on the roots and structure. I will save myself the trouble as you have yourself in another excellent post
highlighted what really needs to be done.

This Team When Played without Fear and panic Defeated No.1 Team in the world on all three Discipline for a length of 100 overs. If we are ready to look beyond our preconceived notions than what surfaces
are the following.

1. Pakistan batted first and put up a big enough score
2. Bowling on a perfectly flat pitch had edge over England as they had that margin and they
were not defensive in their mindset but went for wickets and that's what Pakistan Strength is
3. Fielders had a totally different body language because they knew they were in the game

Now Lets look at How we went about our business of destroying whatever little chances we might
have had against mighty Indian Team

1. Pakistan were not at favorites and even they knew it. All people were expecting that They will
put up their best show and play without any "Fear" and "pressure"

now this "Fear" is very crucial aspect here because the Pitch was an absolute Belter and we had
already Witnessed how a Green pitch on a Cloudy day means a nothing plus Pakistan can't chase
even in its dream in a high pressure game


The only "Fear" Sarfaraz had was that if Team bats first they might lose early wickets and knowing
well what a pathetic Middle order We have he decided to Bowl first and even If you observed closely
Even Amir was pitching it short of the length because of the "fear" of being hit for boundary

He spell against England was a whole lot different as he was trying to get a breakthrough even
against Australia he tried a little but against India he hardly bowled fuller wicket taking length

This fear is robbing them to play to freely and up to their potential. So, When I say Play without
Fear it means play with your strength and don't be negative in decision making don't be afraid of
dropping good for nothing seniors and give opportunity to youngsters who might be far more
hungry to prove something on the big stage.

Why can't they simply get their selection right and just go for it with all their might and hope for
the best they are no.6 ranked side so no one is really expecting them to be world beater but its
so disheartening to see that in the biggest tournament of the world They are still clueless about
what is their best 11 and what is their strength and weakness

When I say Play with Pride It Means wearing that Jersey is a privilege now they are in midst of
the World cup whatever issues they might have but they still have some good talent available
they should just forget about any pressure or fear of loss and go in the middle and keep it simple
for themselves.

I know that doing simple things are so difficult for Pakistan cricket but what else can we hope for.

 

[ak619]

Well I agree on some and totally disagree on others, but first and foremost lets understand what am I
trying to Suggests When I say Lets play with some pride and fire.

No arguments on What ails Pakistan cricket you and me have shed enough light on so many of those
shortcomings and than to some extent resigned to the fate about Pakistan cricket which never worked
on the roots and structure. I will save myself the trouble as you have yourself in another excellent post
highlighted what really needs to be done.

This Team When Played without Fear and panic Defeated No.1 Team in the world on all three Discipline for a length of 100 overs. If we are ready to look beyond our preconceived notions than what surfaces
are the following.

1. Pakistan batted first and put up a big enough score
2. Bowling on a perfectly flat pitch had edge over England as they had that margin and they
were not defensive in their mindset but went for wickets and that's what Pakistan Strength is
3. Fielders had a totally different body language because they knew they were in the game

Now Lets look at How we went about our business of destroying whatever little chances we might
have had against mighty Indian Team

1. Pakistan were not at favorites and even they knew it. All people were expecting that They will
put up their best show and play without any "Fear" and "pressure"

now this "Fear" is very crucial aspect here because the Pitch was an absolute Belter and we had
already Witnessed how a Green pitch on a Cloudy day means a nothing plus Pakistan can't chase
even in its dream in a high pressure game


The only "Fear" Sarfaraz had was that if Team bats first they might lose early wickets and knowing
well what a pathetic Middle order We have he decided to Bowl first and even If you observed closely
Even Amir was pitching it short of the length because of the "fear" of being hit for boundary

He spell against England was a whole lot different as he was trying to get a breakthrough even
against Australia he tried a little but against India he hardly bowled fuller wicket taking length

This fear is robbing them to play to freely and up to their potential. So, When I say Play without
Fear it means play with your strength and don't be negative in decision making don't be afraid of
dropping good for nothing seniors and give opportunity to youngsters who might be far more
hungry to prove something on the big stage.

Why can't they simply get their selection right and just go for it with all their might and hope for
the best they are no.6 ranked side so no one is really expecting them to be world beater but its
so disheartening to see that in the biggest tournament of the world They are still clueless about
what is their best 11 and what is their strength and weakness

When I say Play with Pride It Means wearing that Jersey is a privilege now they are in midst of
the World cup whatever issues they might have but they still have some good talent available
they should just forget about any pressure or fear of loss and go in the middle and keep it simple
for themselves.

I know that doing simple things are so difficult for Pakistan cricket but what else can we hope for.

What makes you say that Pakistan played "fearlessly" against England?

Are you coming to that conclusion simply based on the outcome of the match?

Fact of the matter is Pakistan did not choose to bat first. They were PUT into bat first by England. So it wasn't like Pakistan went in with a different mindset there.

Secondly, that game was the worst fielding performance by England in this WC so far.

And lastly, even with 2 centurians among them, England just managed to fail to reach the target. That doesn't happen often with a strong team - especially one as strong as England.

Truth is that Pakistan won the game because of 4 things:

1. England choosing to chase despite having a gun batting lineup that can post 400 in the first innings

2. England having a terrible day in the field with catching and ground fielding. I think dropped at least 3 catches.

3. English batsmen bottling the chase

4. Mohd Amir bowling very well at the death.


It wasn't that Pakistan played fearlessly and that's why they won against England.

A team doesn't become fearful one day and then become bravehearts the next day.

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] is right in saying that when Pakistan is playing against IND/ENG/AUS, simply playing to their potential is not enough. PCT only wins when they play good cricket and IND/ENG/AUS has a bad day.

 

[Captain caveman]

Brother m sorry but that is how the fans of minnow teams behave. They feed off rare wins against top oppositions.
Cant you see we have rarely won against top teams in last 3-4 years

Bro, minnows don't beat the best team in the world!
We competed well in SA in SA and lost 3-2
We lost to england 4 -0 but we could have won 2 of those matches if we did not select such inexperienced bowlers, a fact proved when with amir and wahab, we beat them in the wc match.
If you look simply at the results, you are right but if you look at the performances in general, we are only a few tweaks away from being a very decent side.

 

[Captain caveman]

I refuse to give credit to a team that is ranked 6th and loses to the major teams about 80% of the time. We are a "tukka" team that is reliant on the superior teams having a bad day against us.

Obviously, you don't praise a team if they play poorly and lose.
But when they have played well AND beat the best side in the world, you should really give them some credit!
Anyway, thats upto you.

 

[Shafi]

People over reacting too much. Same Bangladesh team played selfish and timid cricket against England. Eventhough Bangladesh beat WI it’s fact that they are no 9 team and we whitewashed them UAE and won 2-1 in WI.
Let’s see if Bangladesh play fearlessly against India and Australia. Mind it Bangladesh has 5 players played at least 4 World Cup and this the most experienced team in the World Cup. Where Pakistan has 3 players which includes 2 over 40s old players.
Next World Cup Bangladesh will not be as good as now because it’s Mashrafee’s captaincy makes them better than they are plus incredible performances of Sakib and Mushfiq. 4 years later captan genius will not be there and performances of Sakib and Mushfiq will not be same because they will be around 38+.
Had we selected 2 young batsmen batsmen and a proper spinner we would have done far better. Main criminal is Inzamam.

 

[Energy]

You can sense the arrogance levels of the players have increased. Sarfaraz was asked bluntly at the presser after the India loss if he was satisfied with his fitness and performance, and he said 'Alhumdullilah I am'. Similarly, Malik had diverted attention to the off-field matters and asked his buddies for support.

 

[fight_club]

What makes you say that Pakistan played "fearlessly" against England?

Are you coming to that conclusion simply based on the outcome of the match?

Fact of the matter is Pakistan did not choose to bat first. They were PUT into bat first by England. So it wasn't like Pakistan went in with a different mindset there.

Secondly, that game was the worst fielding performance by England in this WC so far.

And lastly, even with 2 centurians among them, England just managed to fail to reach the target. That doesn't happen often with a strong team - especially one as strong as England.

Truth is that Pakistan won the game because of 4 things:

1. England choosing to chase despite having a gun batting lineup that can post 400 in the first innings

2. England having a terrible day in the field with catching and ground fielding. I think dropped at least 3 catches.

3. English batsmen bottling the chase

4. Mohd Amir bowling very well at the death.


It wasn't that Pakistan played fearlessly and that's why they won against England.

A team doesn't become fearful one day and then become bravehearts the next day.

@Mamoon is right in saying that when Pakistan is playing against IND/ENG/AUS, simply playing to their potential is not enough. PCT only wins when they play good cricket and IND/ENG/AUS has a bad day.
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I see most your arguments being recycled and have been responded by me in a separate thread. However I will give you a brief reply on England before coming to the larger argument about "Fear" or
"Fearlessness"

1. England chose to Bat because They thought Pakistan Batting will simply cave in as it did against
Indies Pacers. Plus England was overconfident about chasing anything under the SUN. It was not really
a smart decision but Teams do tend to make such mistake based on Other team reputation rather than
own strength (Oh! that reminded me of Another Team)

2. By the 7th over When It become abundantly clear that the surface was a Pancake and England will
be chasing a big total. Suddenly Morgan and his team realize Their decision has gone wrong and its the
World cup big game pressure which bought such average fielding effort.
The same mistake was Done by a much fancied Indian Team and we all know the outcome

3. Pakistan learned from SA and deployed Shahdab to open the bowling, but the X Factor of the game
was Wahab. I am not sure many realize the fact but Wahab can be a really awkward Customer with
his ability to get uneven bounce from a petty normal surface. That has do with his action and use of
shoulder. He can be skiddy one moment and can make the ball jump another.

4. Pakistan use of Malik and Hafeez to squeeze the Initiative and create pressure. It was perfect horses
for courses

I wouldn't attribute the win for being fearless but it was just that Pakistan got to play on its strength
and its bowling had an edge over England on the flat deck

Fear affected team first in Taunton against Aussies when they chose to bat on a Greenish looking surface
I actually would not blame Poor Sarfaraz here as Pitch really had lot of grass and against Aussies pace
attack its wasn't a bad tactical choice.

Against India It's becoming increasingly clear with every encounter that Pakistan always look edgy and nervous as compared to India. After a loss against Aussies and learning that Pitch's are flat grass is mere
cosmetic and to avoid deterioration.

Why on Earth did Sarfaraz choose to bat in the most crucial match even the Pitch had no grass he played two spinners expecting turn on a dry looking surface devoid of any grass cover. Mind boggles why really did he bowl first and their lies my point my friend "Fear" nothing else but "Fear" scared of losing few early wickets in overcast conditions. Scared of going out of the match too early , fear fear and more fear

 

[Technics 1210]

You can believe this team is rubbish, thats your opinion and perogrative.
But i told you before, you don't beat the
no. 1 team in the world by luck or because they have underperformed.
You beat the no.1 team in the world because you have OUTPERFORMED them.

LEARN TO GIVE CREDIT WHERE IT IS DUE!

On your point about fixing the systemi agree with you.

Don't, please don't, you will only confuse him further. He will never give credit to Pakistan given his sham patriotism.

However I agree with you 100%. The Pakistan team is not short of talent at all, but the team is crying for a leader. The current leader is far from inspiring, far from representing, and far from performing. The players simply do not respect Sarfraz.

As for the domestic system, yeah sure, it needs changing, but the greats of Pakistan were picked from the streets (just like footballers from Brazil).

Pakistan is teeming with talent, find the right leadership, and Pakistan cricket will have nice problem to deal with!