If India win the Test series vs England, will they finalise their status as the best of an era?

[Suleiman]

Basically, will winning this series finalize our Indian brothers' status as the best cricket team of recent times, akin to Aussie of 2000s and WI of the 70s-80s?

They have a world cup win, invincible home record in tests, CT win, t20 WC win (Mash Allah), the only Asian team to put up a fight in South Africa and Australia in tests which other Asian teams struggled with, and good record in ODIs (again, win in SAF, good show in Aussie home)

The only blemish on their resume was no solid test series victory in a foreign country, not in Asia.

Is this their one chance?

If not them, then who do you think is the best in the world?

 

[Ab Fan]

We are "Andhon me kaana raja" at this point of time.

The South African team of 2006-2014 were far superior than us in test cricket.

 

[kuskash]

Not really, India needs to prove a lot.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I hope you're being sarcastic.

The teams you have mentioned dominated the world in every corner. They just didn't win, they often destroyed the opposition. Australia won 9 series in a row with 16 consecutive test match wins. Windies were unbeaten for nearly 30 tests.

You are comparing teams with the likes of McGrath, Lee, Marshall , Holding to the a team which opens the bowling with Ishant Sharma at 82mph.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Not even close, they have to win in Australia, England and South Africa and even New Zealand(series or even draw) to be comparable to the South African team of 2007-2014.

Australia and West Indies of their prime were far too good for the rest of the world.

 

[BaankeJi]

Not even close. India have to improve in bowling to get to that stage. Will take long time if it ever happens.

 

[Shutdown Corner]

In short, I think India have a decent to good shot to win this series. England's record at home has been very impressive in recent years when you consider how Asian sides have done:

0-1 loss to SL in 2014
2-2 draw vs PAK in 2016
1-1 draw vs PAK in 2016
loss to WI in 2017
loss to India in 2014

All of NZ, AUS, and SA have fared MUCH better at home than England.

 

[Dingolfy]

I hope you're being sarcastic.

The teams you have mentioned dominated the world in every corner. They just didn't win, they often destroyed the opposition. Australia won 9 series in a row with 16 consecutive test match wins. Windies were unbeaten for nearly 30 tests.

You are comparing teams with the likes of McGrath, Lee, Marshall , Holding to the a team which opens the bowling with Ishant Sharma at 82mph.

He is not our main bowler now and even then has a better average than Post-ban Amir from 2016. And OP question was about best in this era not comparison with previous ones.
IMO, we need to beat Australia in Australia to be considered as the best in this era.

 

[JaDed]

We won the series in England in 2007 ,lost to Aus 2-1 in Aus 2008 and Drew in SA 1-1 2010, think that still was a better team.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Beating England is no big deal and It's just the first day of first test.

 

[KingKhanWC]

He is not our main bowler now and even then has a better average than Post-ban Amir from 2016. And OP question was about best in this era not comparison with previous ones.
IMO, we need to beat Australia in Australia to be considered as the best in this era.

He opened your bowling. Amir played in England this year. Lets see if Ishant can finish with a lower average.

Can you explain why you think India are anywhere near the Great Aus team right now?

 

[AssassinatedDevil]

India is bound to win one or two games but the chances of them winning the series are extremely low. Beating England in England is no easy task.

 

[Buffet]

1 day out of 25 possible days. A long way to go for winning series. Let Indians win a test to start with.

As far as topic goes, hopefully you are not joking here. WI and Aus kept winning for a long time and won in pretty much all venues.

 

[Buffet]

Basically, will winning this series finalize our Indian brothers' status as the best cricket team of recent times, akin to Aussie of 2000s and WI of the 70s-80s?

They have a world cup win, invincible home record in tests, CT win, t20 WC win (Mash Allah), the only Asian team to put up a fight in South Africa and Australia in tests which other Asian teams struggled with, and good record in ODIs (again, win in SAF, good show in Aussie home)

The only blemish on their resume was no solid test series victory in a foreign country, not in Asia.

Is this their one chance?

If not them, then who do you think is the best in the world?

They could be the best, but nothing like Aus/WI teams.

 

[Junaids]

Not even close.

India also lost their most recent Test series in Australia, New Zealand and South Africa too!

There is no outstanding team.

 

[giri26]

No they won't. India still needs to prove a lot at the highest level. The team is a musical chairs and does not have too many certain players in the X1. If India are able to win in England and then in Australia, they will become the worthy of number 1 ranking but to become best of the era, they have to do more.

 

[Dingolfy]

He opened your bowling. Amir played in England this year. Lets see if Ishant can finish with a lower average.

Can you explain why you think India are anywhere near the Great Aus team right now?

I am talking about Amir's average from 2016 after his comeback, not just England.It is in the upper side of 30's whereas Ishant has it under 30s in the same time period.
Opening bowler doesnt mean main bowler always.We have even opened with the likes Sunil Gavaskars back in the day.Ishant is our third seamer at best.Somebody who can keep things tight and chip in with odd wickets.
I never compared this team against 2000 Aussies who were absolute beasts.We are talking about what India should do to be considered as the best in the current era.

 

[dauntless]

LOL yeah. Joke of the century. Check their stats overseas they have lost almost all the matches against top teams. They just don't have bowlers to win overseas. Trundlers trundlers and trundlers everywhere.

 

[Swashbuckler]

No but they will justify their number one ranking.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

If we win or draw the series our no. rank will be justified nothing more nothing less

 

[Ab Fan]

Basically, will winning this series finalize our Indian brothers' status as the best cricket team of recent times, akin to Aussie of 2000s and WI of the 70s-80s?

<B>They have a world cup win, invincible home record in tests, CT win, t20 WC win (Mash Allah), the only Asian team to put up a fight in South Africa and Australia in tests which other Asian teams struggled with, and good record in ODIs</B> (again, win in SAF, good show in Aussie home)

The only blemish on their resume was no solid test series victory in a foreign country, not in Asia.

Is this their one chance?

If not them, then who do you think is the best in the world?

But it was not this team that won World Cup or for that matter WT20.

It is the team that gifted you guys your first CT win.

 

[Smbhayi]

He opened your bowling. Amir played in England this year. Lets see if Ishant can finish with a lower average.

Can you explain why you think India are anywhere near the Great Aus team right now?

who said that, nobody says that here..

 

[BlackShadow]

Kohli's India is by far the most dominant side in Asia, and also the most competitive away. If they somehow win in England and Australia, this side could go down as one of the top 3 ever.

 

[austerlitz]

No,have to win in Aus as well.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Not really, India needs to prove a lot.

Yeah lol why not. Now imagine if I had said the same thing. You would have questioned my nationality because only you guys post genuine views here.

India have won a series in England already a decade ago. So beating England won't make us the best of an era. We have never won a series in Africa, Australia. So let us beat them first.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Not even close. India have to improve in bowling to get to that stage. Will take long time if it ever happens.

According to [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] bhai our bowling is the best because Bumrah is the number 1 ranked ICC bowler. How will you explain this to him?

Also by improvement do you mean our bowlers doesn't have the skill or are we choosing the wrong bowlers for the test format?

 

[James]

Learning how to play Sam Curran should be at the top of their priority list for now.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Learning how to play Sam Curran should be at the top of their priority list for now.

For that they have to play a season or two in county cricket which looks impossible.

 

[big_gamer007]

No indian team is far away from WI or Aus teams..

This Current team is worse than Indian team of 2004-2011.

Current batting line up is very very poor.. it’s kohli or pray. Kohli gets out then only prayers can save us that someone down the order hit a half century like bhuvi, Ashwin, Pandya etc.

The top 6 has been the weakest top 6 ever in history of Indian cricket..

 

[big_gamer007]

According to [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] bhai our bowling is the best because Bumrah is the number 1 ranked ICC bowler. How will you explain this to him?

Also by improvement do you mean our bowlers doesn't have the skill or are we choosing the wrong bowlers for the test format?

Actually the bowling is not the problem right now.. It’s the batting.. The current batsmen are just not good enough for test cricket.

Bowlers are restricting SA/Eng consistently below 300 yet we lost the test series and might lose this one because our batsmen are just not good enough for test cricket overseas.

And let’s not talk about our bowling as home our spinners are beast and eat up teams alive.. So bowling is doing well may not be best in the world but is certainly not our weak link.

The above is only for test cricket.

 

[Buffet]

60/3 doesn't look bad for Eng now. They are in great position now. 2 more wickets here and India may not get to even 200.