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Improvement in Rahat Ali?

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The guy is really bowling well on this graveyard for fast bowlers pitch. And for the first time i have noticed he is using his brain too. He already have all the tools including swing reverse swing and pace all he need to do is continue using his brain.
 
The only bowler who turned up today. Well done.

Always had the talent but showed some application as well.
 
yes bowled well and was thinking as well setting batsmen up. Hopefully he keeps on developing as we need a bowler who has his talent.
 
His celebration sums up he's too soft. Needs to become more aggressive if he wants to be a fast bowler, it could transform him.
 
Rahat's case is not the exceptional all the fasters of Pak seemed to be changed under waqar choaching

on the topic, yes there is a positive change in his bowling. Good control with swing is the major change i feel in his bowling.
 
I gotta say the ball he bowled Latham was the best delivery of his International career.

He's bowled well today and has been the best bowler.

Fair dues.
 
His skills set is almost complete! Application was missing only! Today the application is coming into play! If he continues like this then he has in him to become a world class bowler! May be i have said too much but this guy impresses me a lot!
 
I would add him to the odi squad in Junaids absence

No way. Not at this stage. His List A avg after 18 games is 45.
He's bowled really well today which was good to see since he swings it both ways and gets it to reverse as well but wasn't getting the wickets before. Think it could be due to working with Waqar.
 
He has bowled well but I'll withhold my judgement on his 'improvement' till the next test match.
 
Finally Junaid will have an able partner in test matches.
He's been the lone warrior in the fast bowling department for a long time now.
 
No way. Not at this stage. His List A avg after 18 games is 45.
He's bowled really well today which was good to see since he swings it both ways and gets it to reverse as well but wasn't getting the wickets before. Think it could be due to working with Waqar.

I'm aware of that but he has improved his control and we need to improve our bench strength. I would prefer Ehsan but I don't see him getting picked prior to the WC
 
Please guys, stop calling him a future World Class bowler :facepalm:

It's 1 innings for goodness sakes.
 
Asif was too slow to be called a fast bowler.
He is someone who was a little better than Praveen Kumar, and once you take the lbw out of the equation by batting down the crease.Asif became pretty manageable..
 
Asif was too slow to be called a fast bowler.
He is someone who was a little better than Praveen Kumar, and once you take the lbw out of the equation by batting down the crease.Asif became pretty manageable..

You take out LBW asif would get you out bowled or caught behind
 
His celebration sums up he's too soft. Needs to become more aggressive if he wants to be a fast bowler, it could transform him.


He has just started his journey, a step into the international arena. I am hopeful once media begins to focus him more in the light of his brilliant performances and thus experiencing all of it could probably make him to generate more aggressiveness. It takes time, maybe it is not his in nature because he could be guy of jolly nature who believes his bowling should do the talking.
 
Asif was too slow to be called a fast bowler.
He is someone who was a little better than Praveen Kumar, and once you take the lbw out of the equation by batting down the crease.Asif became pretty manageable..

are you serious?
 
Rahat has the potential to be as good as Asif.

No he doesn't. Not even close. He bowled well today but even when he took the new ball and got swing in to the right hander, he didn't have the sense to bowl a few across the batsmen first to set him up for the inswinger. He could be so much better if he had a real fast bowler's instinct and temperament.
 
Rahat has the potential to be as good as Asif.

well I didn't watch today's play but as far as I know Rahat is nothing like Asif.

Rahat is 10 kph quicker.

Rahat is a swing bowler whereas Asif was a seam bowler.

Asif was a true genius.
 
I think imran khan will be more successful in odis.. bowls a good yorker as well.

ya rahat is more asif type bowler will be good in ODI but tests will be where he is best T20 he will get smashed. Imran khan can be good in all formats but I feel he will be best in ODI and T20
 
Something i miss from the days of Asif! I miss Asif more than Aamir

lol amir is missed more for me then asif i still occasionally watch his youtube clips and it makes me sad at his lost potential . Hopefully there is still a fire burning in his belly .
 
He is a good bowler.
Just needs more attitude. Right now he is like Srinath from the 90's pace, bounce, and swing is there .... But meek follow through after delivering the ball. Srinath would not even make eye contact even after beating the batsman.
 
Asif was too slow to be called a fast bowler.
He is someone who was a little better than Praveen Kumar, and once you take the lbw out of the equation by batting down the crease.Asif became pretty manageable..
This is funny.
 
Asif is too overrated. Got exposed by Johnathan Trott and Shane Watson. Who used to be invincible back then.

Fact is Asif had no plan B.

A couple of fifers and the subsequent innings yielded no significant results from his bowling once batsmen started playing him outside the creasee.

Asif reached a miserly speed of 80-81 mph and did not have any weapons to get the bowlers out.

His deliveries never reached the slip fielders and his speed got slower as the series in England progressed.

Spot fixing scandal did us a favor and we got rid of him.

He would've found out just like Praveen Kumar was at the International level.
 
Asif is too overrated. Got exposed by Johnathan Trott and Shane Watson. Who used to be invincible back then.
Fact is Asif had no plan B.
A couple of fifers and the subsequent innings yielded no significant results from his bowling once batsmen started playing him outside the creasee.
Asif reached a miserly speed of 80-81 mph and did not have any weapons to get the bowlers out.
His deliveries never reached the slip fielders and his speed got slower as the tournament progressed.
Spot fixing scandal did us a favor and we got rid of him.
He would've found out just like Praveen Kumar was at the International level.

Sure 100 wickets in 20 test matches indicates as much. Maybe you should make a separate thread about this so that we can focus on having fun at your expense.
 
Rahat Ali has a bit of zip about him,, and he is not afraid to pitch the ball up looking for movement..

His odd delivery is wayward but clearly is bowling more attacking lines than he did under Mohammad Akram's coaching.
 
Fact is Rahat can be better than Asif.
Asif is just too overrated maybe because he is Punjabi.
He ain't no Glen Mcgrath, McGrath reached 140 whenever he wanted.
Asif became useless for us the in the English series, if anyone has doubts they can check his stats.
Please not here, a new thread. It will be so much to demolish all these nonsense fun facts.
 
Comparisons with Asif must stop. It's an insult to Asif's talent, class and skillset (in cricketing sense).

Rahat has talent but no application. Also can't bowl consistent lines and strays often.
 
Even, Rahat Ali would be surprised with his performance in this Test match thus far, and so should Tom Latham be. :misbah
 
Rahat looks fitter than before.

When he first came into international cricket he looked a little bit unfit and was bowling some good deliveries together with some very wayward ones.

Of course working with Waqar will have boosted his confidence and his skills.
 
Rahat is from Multan and is also Punjabi. Asif was called "A 400 test wicket bowler" by Michael Holding. McGrath rarely reached 140 after the first few years of his career. In the series against India in 2006 Asif bowled up to 145kph. He slowed down later but in England in 2010 I clearly remember him getting 87mph. 100 wickets in 20 tests is nothing to be laughed at. You are sounding like a total idiot right now.

Rahat is good though, I didn't rate him at first and preferred Ehsan, but at 26 Rahat is mature and has a few tests under him now. He is now improving under Waqar Younis. I would try out Ehsan and Rahat in the odis against NZ, one of them should go to the World Cup. I don't really like Wahab Riaz, he is our quickest bowler but is usually all over the place. Rahat has more control, and can bowl 140kph as well, on these dead flat tracks. He needs to become more aggressive and focused. I think Rahat has a great future if he continues improving, if he does, he will likely end up with more wickets than Asif, but don' t for a second say that Asif was overrated or a one trick pony. He was a genuine magician.
 
Haven't seen much of this test or vs Australia, but the big question is, can Rahat exploit both sides of the bat? I.e. can he bring the ball back into a righty as well as move it away with the angle?
 
Rahat needs to play ODI cricket. Getting wickets and plenty of wickets in ODI cricket will perhaps bump up his confidence and add some swagger to his bowling. His problem is he has only played test cricket so far, Pakistan doesn't play enough test cricket and therefore he is always under pressure to maintain his place in the side.
 
Asif is too overrated. Got exposed by Johnathan Trott and Shane Watson. Who used to be invincible back then.

Fact is Asif had no plan B.

A couple of fifers and the subsequent innings yielded no significant results from his bowling once batsmen started playing him outside the creasee.

Asif reached a miserly speed of 80-81 mph and did not have any weapons to get the bowlers out.

His deliveries never reached the slip fielders and his speed got slower as the series in England progressed.

Spot fixing scandal did us a favor and we got rid of him.

He would've found out just like Praveen Kumar was at the International level.

I think his speeds were bound to drop because the batting was so pathetic in the 6 test series that the bowlers hardly got enough rest. Trott got the better of him then but on a fresher day and if Asif was rested Trott would have problems again. IMO he was a green top bully but a world class green top bowler without a doubt.
 
Brilliant bowling today.

Always felt he has been unlucky. Today got some luck which was well deserved.
 
Rahat could learn so much from Asif on how to set a batsmen up and make the most of his skillset. The guy was a genius in that regard.
 
Guyz any video of his dismissals? i missed it? :rahat

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I think his speeds were bound to drop because the batting was so pathetic in the 6 test series that the bowlers hardly got enough rest. Trott got the better of him then but on a fresher day and if Asif was rested Trott would have problems again. IMO he was a green top bully but a world class green top bowler without a doubt.




Amir was consistently clicking it at over 140ks.


I dont think fatigue was an excuse.


Asif was clearly past it.


25 overs 1 wicket, saw that plenty of times from Asif in England..


Was the biggest disappointment from Pakistani perspective.


Wahab Riaz and Amir outperformed him. Were the reasons we on the 3rd test match.


By 2nd and 3rd test match Asif was just a stock bowler and commentators were clearly frustrated by his lack of pace.


Anyway this thread is about Rahat so dont wana derail the thread.


Asif was a good bowler but limited when the pitches didn't favor him.

Rahat may not have the potential Asif had, but he has enough talent to better the stats Asif has achieved in his career.
 
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Amir was consistently clicking it at over 140ks.


I dont think fatigue was an excuse.


Asif was clearly past it.


25 overs 1 wicket, saw that plenty of times from Asif in England..


Was the biggest disappointment from Pakistani perspective.


Wahab Riaz and Amir outperformed him. Were the reasons we on the 3rd test match.


By 2nd and 3rd test match Asif was just a stock bowler and commentators were clearly frustrated by his lack of pace.


Anyway this thread is about Rahat so dont wana derail the thread.


Asif was a good bowler but limited when the pitches didn't favor him.

Rahat may not have the potential Asif had, but he has enough talent to better the stats Asif has achieved in his career.

This I agree with, he was always exposed when the pitches had nothing for him. His performances in Australia, Pakistan, Asia Cup, WI speak for themselves

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Been a long time since I've seen a Pakistani pacer move the ball through the air like that, a fresh breath of air really. Seems like he's worked hard on his game since the SA tests last year, Waqar is also probably pointing him in the right direction.

I can understand the comparison with Asif given that neither of them are express and both rely on movement through the air/off the pitch, but it's still too early to be comparing him with Asif. He needs to produce these performances consistently to be in the same class as him.
 
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Decent bowler, has been unlucky every time he has played, worked for him today finally, will probably see the best of him now
 
Amir was consistently clicking it at over 140ks.


I dont think fatigue was an excuse.


Asif was clearly past it.


25 overs 1 wicket, saw that plenty of times from Asif in England..


Was the biggest disappointment from Pakistani perspective.


Wahab Riaz and Amir outperformed him. Were the reasons we on the 3rd test match.


By 2nd and 3rd test match Asif was just a stock bowler and commentators were clearly frustrated by his lack of pace.


Anyway this thread is about Rahat so dont wana derail the thread.


Asif was a good bowler but limited when the pitches didn't favor him.

Rahat may not have the potential Asif had, but he has enough talent to better the stats Asif has achieved in his career.

This is so wrong, don't even know where to start.
 
Rahat Ali is Rahat Ali
Mohammad Asif was Mohammad Asif.

No idea why the comparison, as they are very different bowlers.
 
MOM.. man i was sure hafeez was going to get it since he batted very well. surprising actually but well done.
 
Wayward in the first spell but bowling some peaches at the moment.
 
Reminded me good old days of wasim today.. not saying he was as good as wasim.

But he definitely bowled very well.
 
He has improved drastically with the old ball, but his new ball skills are still his main weapon.

He just needs to setup the batsmen with the new ball, like he does the reversing ball.
 
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