Imran Khan dodges questions on mass Chinese detention of Muslims

[sweep_shot]

I can see why Pakistan may turn a blind eye to China's treatment of Uighurs. China is one of the key allies for Pakistan.

I pray and hope that Uighur brothers and sisters will be free one day. May God help them.

 

[JaDed]

Exactly. Which is why all the crocodile tears from certain posters over the Muslims in China are so easy to see through. Pakistan has a country to run, and roads don't get built without investment. China is providing investment. India is providing criticism and hurdles.

India providing criticism is similar to Imran doing the same, the only reason Imran is able to get Intl media’s sympathy and voice is because India is ruled by the most incompetent govn, it wouldn’t even reach this level if Congress was in power they would had all their liberal sources eat Imran eat up with his hypocrisy on two issues right now.

 

[globalcitizen]

Imran should be thankful to india for not raising the china uyghur muslims issue. If Indian government starts bringing this up on every international forum and in combination with a billion tweets, China and Pakistan are going to have their relationship fractured

 

[miandadrules]

Imran should be thankful to india for not raising the china uyghur muslims issue. If Indian government starts bringing this up on every international forum and in combination with a billion tweets, China and Pakistan are going to have their relationship fractured

India can.

It won’t make a shred of difference.

Our cognitive dissonance is a market leader.

 

[Napa]

Lol Modi Ji won't even talk with a foreign reporter, only his bhakths, and you guys want to pin point everything Imran Khan does. Get real.

If Modi doesn't have time for foreign reporters, that's his choice. Unlike IK, he doesn't feel he needs to go out and impress Westerners. The Western firms are given the option of coming to India and doing business which benefits both them and Indians. We don't need to suck up to them or crave their approval.

When Modi is interviewed and he finds the questions or the attitude of the interviewer counter-productive, he will get up and leave like he did in the interview with Karan Thapar. That is the right thing to do. He won't shuffle around like a schoolboy with his eyes lowered mumbling replies.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Lots of Indians trying to deflect from the fact that they’ve voted in a right wing fascist government, are fed fake news 24/7 and are ultimately looking down the barrel on the entire Kashmir issue.

Thats your opinion. Not Indians.

 

[cricketjoshila]

India providing criticism is similar to Imran doing the same, the only reason Imran is able to get Intl media’s sympathy and voice is because India is ruled by the most incompetent govn, it wouldn’t even reach this level if Congress was in power they would had all their liberal sources eat Imran eat up with his hypocrisy on two issues right now.

Indian govt know Imran Khan has achieved absolutely nothing. Any reply or enganging him in anyway will give him exactly what he wants.

If congress was in power, they wouldnot have the guts to do this at all.

Also why will India want to drag Chinese into this. Why give Khan another support.

Already India cancelled the visit of the chinese FM, just for the lip service they gave Pakistan in UN.

 

[ishtiaq_ctg]

So this Whole Muslim Ummah love is actually agenda driven?hmmm

 

[miandadrules]

So this Whole Muslim Ummah love is actually agenda driven?hmmm

The ummah is there to serve the interests of the centralised elites.

That’s been the model from day 1.

That’s why when the masters click their fingers Pakistani come running. But when the slave is wronged the master won’t jeopardise his own interests.

 

[Bhaijaan]

So if he pokes his nose for Chinese Muslims, we lose benefits then same people above will be on his head etc

He is a shrewd person and is doing what's best for Pakistan.

We improve ourselves first then we look outwards to help the Ummah - else you become Iran.

Shameful double standards though bro.

When it comes to Kashmir, Ummah is bigger than nation state, then you even have to poke nose into India's internal issues and what minorities are going through in India.

Pakistanis don't have to agree or disagree here but the world at large has pretty much seen through this hypocrisy and the dull response so far to Imran';s outrageous social media campaign against India is a testament to that.

 

[Manager101]

Shameful double standards though bro.

When it comes to Kashmir, Ummah is bigger than nation state, then you even have to poke nose into India's internal issues and what minorities are going through in India.

Pakistanis don't have to agree or disagree here but the world at large has pretty much seen through this hypocrisy and the dull response so far to Imran';s outrageous social media campaign against India is a testament to that.

Well, there is not a single country in this world which isn't a hypocrite and if a certain entity says that they are not, then consider them the biggest hypocrites of all.

The sad truth of human history.

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

People aware of history would not ask this question.

 

[Varun]

its been zero and rightly so.

Palestine we care about due to holy site and Kashmir because we see them as one of us.

Pretty simple to get

But that's not the marketing spin given when folks are in the middle of their Kashmir / Palestine-fed outrage: they say it's all about the Ummah, of which the Kashmiri / Palestinian is a part.

 

[kk1992]

Indians are flocking on this thread to criticize Imran Khan as if Modi give out interview daily after he wakes up and before he goes to bed.

He is such a P...Y and bat shii scared to give interview that he asked Akshay Kumar to take his interview to ask Modi about how he eats mangoes.

Get out of here with this * *.

y'all Indians are the funniest creature and sad part is that y'all in billions

For IK, Pakistan and Kashmir is priority and I am glad he that he is continue to highlight both issue.

 

[kk1992]

Is this the new excuse of PTI supporters?

No! unless you are an Indian.

I believed in neither, that Pakistan will fight for ummah nor I believed that any Arab countries would help Pakistan when Pakistan needed them the most, Geo-politics is all about strategic relationships.

Indians hold on to this 'China thing' because that is the only excuse they have left to justify and continue support of atrocities, killing, rape and murder in Kashmir, it is almost like, China does it, so why should we stop it. LOL

 

[kk1992]

Only Indians? Pray do tell us which other world leader other than China's has paid any heed to his regular rants about Modi and Kashmir?

Oh Lord,

No one.

No one has ever cared

That hasn't stop Pakistan from continue to support against occupation.

Just because no other country are talking about does not mean you are not wrong in you support of you government of killing, rape, murder and occupation against the will of Kashmiri.

 

[JaDed]

Indian govt know Imran Khan has achieved absolutely nothing. Any reply or enganging him in anyway will give him exactly what he wants.

If congress was in power, they wouldnot have the guts to do this at all.

Also why will India want to drag Chinese into this. Why give Khan another support.

Already India cancelled the visit of the chinese FM, just for the lip service they gave Pakistan in UN.

India doesn’t need to drag in China, its knowledge the support Congress has in Intl circles compared to that of BJP , those sources would had written multiple articles right now on Imran’s double standards, in all the years this is first time Pak might have more ear in Intl media, ofcourse that doesn’t mean to anything fruitful but irrespective.

 

[anand99]

The more Imran keeps harping on Modi being a fascist Nazi dictator who is involved in ethnic cleansing, the more he is going to lose credibility with world leaders. Unfortunately, having the liberal press which is just waiting to write something about islamophobia is not enough to Garner the support of the leaders of the nation's that do matter. There are a handful of countries in the world today that can pressure India into changing it's direction in Kashmir. Frankly, I don't believe even those countries can influence Modi and what he wants to do. Having said that, each of those leaders seem to have a personal relationship with modi and are greatly invested in a commercial relationship with India. Those self interests will supercede anything else and imran's nonsensical outburts on a daily basis is alienating him from these leaders. There is not a single other world leader who has endorsed this theory of ethnic cleansing and comparisons to Hitler. I seriously doubt anyone ever will. Imran is pushing a loser narrative here and needs to try something else. If he goes to the UN and calls Modi a Hitler incarnation, he is only going to alienate himself further

 

[IMMY69]

The more Imran keeps harping on Modi being a fascist Nazi dictator who is involved in ethnic cleansing, the more he is going to lose credibility with world leaders. Unfortunately, having the liberal press which is just waiting to write something about islamophobia is not enough to Garner the support of the leaders of the nation's that do matter. There are a handful of countries in the world today that can pressure India into changing it's direction in Kashmir. Frankly, I don't believe even those countries can influence Modi and what he wants to do. Having said that, each of those leaders seem to have a personal relationship with modi and are greatly invested in a commercial relationship with India. Those self interests will supercede anything else and imran's nonsensical outburts on a daily basis is alienating him from these leaders. There is not a single other world leader who has endorsed this theory of ethnic cleansing and comparisons to Hitler. I seriously doubt anyone ever will. Imran is pushing a loser narrative here and needs to try something else. If he goes to the UN and calls Modi a Hitler incarnation, he is only going to alienate himself further

The same was said about IK when entered Politics 23 years ago.
Just to be taken seriously and then to win an election was monumental in itself. So I wouldn't underestimate IK on the international platform.

 

[Itachi]

No! unless you are an Indian.

I believed in neither, that Pakistan will fight for ummah nor I believed that any Arab countries would help Pakistan when Pakistan needed them the most, Geo-politics is all about strategic relationships.

Indians hold on to this 'China thing' because that is the only excuse they have left to justify and continue support of atrocities, killing, rape and murder in Kashmir, it is almost like, China does it, so why should we stop it. LOL

Are you a PTI supporter?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

If Modi doesn't have time for foreign reporters, that's his choice. Unlike IK, he doesn't feel he needs to go out and impress Westerners. The Western firms are given the option of coming to India and doing business which benefits both them and Indians. We don't need to suck up to them or crave their approval.

When Modi is interviewed and he finds the questions or the attitude of the interviewer counter-productive, he will get up and leave like he did in the interview with Karan Thapar. That is the right thing to do. He won't shuffle around like a schoolboy with his eyes lowered mumbling replies.

I would imagine he gets up and leaves because he can't give a credible answer. Why do an interview at all if you aren't able to handle difficult questions?

As for Modi not caring to impress westerners, I'm not even sure he can speak English, that's why you probably don't see many interviews outside of India. If that is a quality, then I'm sure we have plenty of village bumpkins in Pakistan who could do the same.

 

[IMMY69]

Thats your opinion. Not Indians.

I said "lots of Indians" not "every" Indian.

But for you its not a simple case of voting in a right wing fascist government. Oh no, you yourself are a right wing fascist.

That is clear from all your posts.

 

[cricketjoshila]

India doesn’t need to drag in China, its knowledge the support Congress has in Intl circles compared to that of BJP , those sources would had written multiple articles right now on Imran’s double standards, in all the years this is first time Pak might have more ear in Intl media, ofcourse that doesn’t mean to anything fruitful but irrespective.

International media writes about Modi Putin Trump,Netanyahu Palestine,Crimea,Gun violence,Kashmir. What did it achieve?

Leftist liberal media will write and report with their own bias, british media with its racial bias, that doesnot achieve anything.

Let me give one example, NYT was quite vocal on kashmir, the moment Indian media reported that the opinion editor of NYT was a kashmiri separatist Basharat Peer, NYT has gone quiet. There are numerous such examples.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I said "lots of Indians" not "every" Indian.

But for you its not a simple case of voting in a right wing fascist government. Oh no, you yourself are a right wing fascist.

That is clear from all your posts.

Again your opinion.

You can have whatever opinion, Thats yiur right.

Indians can elect whoever they want, thats our right.

 

[miandadrules]

Again your opinion.

You can have whatever opinion, Thats yiur right.

Indians can elect whoever they want, thats our right.

And you’re should be held accountable for doing so.

You can’t absolve yourself of the responsibility.

 

[JaDed]

International media writes about Modi Putin Trump,Netanyahu Palestine,Crimea,Gun violence,Kashmir. What did it achieve?

Leftist liberal media will write and report with their own bias, british media with its racial bias, that doesnot achieve anything.

Let me give one example, NYT was quite vocal on kashmir, the moment Indian media reported that the opinion editor of NYT was a kashmiri separatist Basharat Peer, NYT has gone quiet. There are numerous such examples.

Leftist media plays a long game, they keep the balance in check and believe is social transformation, i would absolutely detest if the laws in India are made by Sankara charya.

Diverse democracy clearly works as we can see with disasters like Demonetization.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Such a dumb argument.

Imran is not Khalifa of the Muslim world, he is PM of Pakistan. Why doesn't he speak about Palestine, Yemen, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, et etc.

Kashmir was meant to be part of Pakistan, those other areas werent. Also Kashmir is occupied, China is doing in its own land.

I dont expect Indians to understand anything.

 

[Varun]

Imran is not Khalifa of the Muslim world, he is PM of Pakistan. Why doesn't he speak about Palestine, Yemen, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, et etc.

In his own words, he is a Pakistani, Muslim and a Human. With cuddly relations with China, it is only fair to expect him of all people to prod the Chinese leadership to work for the betterment of the Uyghurs but he has done zilch.

For that matter, he hasn't done anything about Kashmir either, beyond his adventures on twitter.com. Just a load of hot air. Him and you alike.

Though at least he's a Prime Minister and not a high-school dropout.

 

[KingKhanWC]

In his own words, he is a Pakistani, Muslim and a Human. With cuddly relations with China, it is only fair to expect him of all people to prod the Chinese leadership to work for the betterment of the Uyghurs but he has done zilch.

For that matter, he hasn't done anything about Kashmir either, beyond his adventures on twitter.com. Just a load of hot air. Him and you alike.

Though at least he's a Prime Minister and not a high-school dropout.

Why not bring up Syria then? Pakistani, Muslim and Human relates to Kashmir not China. Unlike India who have a Hindu extremist in charge who hates Muslims, China doesn't. Muslims in China are flourishing more than any other religous minority, heck there were Muslim Generals in the Chinese army hundreds of years ago.

Imran is right to concentrate on the RSS occupying people in Kashmir, as they are also a security threat to Pakistan, while China is not.

 

[JaDed]

No one questions Shariff on hypocrisy coz expectations from Imran is more, this is a false logic that Imran can’t be questioned when he goes on and on about his thought process of a better world etc .. and wants Intl world to take notice on things that matter to him as a leader.

 

[cricketjoshila]

And you’re should be held accountable for doing so.

You can’t absolve yourself of the responsibility.

Who is a foreigner,any foreigner to hold a Indian leader and Indias to hold accountable?

Indians elected a leader for themselves, they are not accountable to any foreigner for that.

 

[ILcricket]

So if he pokes his nose for Chinese Muslims, we lose benefits then same people above will be on his head etc

He is a shrewd person and is doing what's best for Pakistan.

We improve ourselves first then we look outwards to help the Ummah - else you become Iran.

& the double speak on plight of Muslims not in China ? Ummah

 

[cricketjoshila]

Such a dumb argument.

Imran is not Khalifa of the Muslim world, he is PM of Pakistan. Why doesn't he speak about Palestine, Yemen, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, et etc.

Kashmir was meant to be part of Pakistan, those other areas werent. Also Kashmir is occupied, China is doing in its own land.

I dont expect Indians to understand anything.

Kashmir was to be part of Pakistan? Who said that?

The Indian independence act clearly states that Princely states were free to join either country or stay independent.

Just because some pakistanis like you think something belongs to them doesnot mean anything.

 

[Napa]

I would imagine he gets up and leaves because he can't give a credible answer. Why do an interview at all if you aren't able to handle difficult questions?

Because one cannot predict the interviewer's attitude beforehand.

As for Modi not caring to impress westerners, I'm not even sure he can speak English, that's why you probably don't see many interviews outside of India. If that is a quality, then I'm sure we have plenty of village bumpkins in Pakistan who could do the same.

There are a hundred million Indians who can speak English and having one more or less doesn't make a difference. Unlike you, majority of Indians of South Asian ethnicity have not clung on to a slavish colonial mentality about the superiority of English speakers. As long as the leader gets the country to progress, it doesn't matter if he can speak only Swahili or even just communicated by sign language.

 

[Itachi]

And you’re should be held accountable for doing so.

You can’t absolve yourself of the responsibility.

Accountability to whom?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Kashmir was to be part of Pakistan? Who said that?

The Indian independence act clearly states that Princely states were free to join either country or stay independent.

Just because some pakistanis like you think something belongs to them doesnot mean anything.

Kashmir was a majority Muslim state at the time of partition,

AS for Hari Singh, he never wanted it to be part of India forever and wanted the people to vote.

But as a Modi fan, you believe clouds deter radar so Ill give you some leeway.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Because one cannot predict the interviewer's attitude beforehand.



There are a hundred million Indians who can speak English and having one more or less doesn't make a difference. Unlike you, majority of Indians of South Asian ethnicity have not clung on to a slavish colonial mentality about the superiority of English speakers. As long as the leader gets the country to progress, it doesn't matter if he can speak only Swahili or even just communicated by sign language.

You seem to have gotten really burned up about comments re Indians having a slavish colonial mindset which have often been thrown at them by Pakistanis, now you are bringing it up in every post. It is what it is, you can't accuse Muslims of failing to integrate then claim that they are more willing to do so than Indians. Does it make sense on any level?

Don't go down that route, you won't come out of it well.

 

[Napa]

You seem to have gotten really burned up about comments re Indians having a slavish colonial mindset which have often been thrown at them by Pakistanis, now you are bringing it up in every post. It is what it is, you can't accuse Muslims of failing to integrate then claim that they are more willing to do so than Indians. Does it make sense on any level?

Don't go down that route, you won't come out of it well.

I can't be burned by things that I regard as ridiculous.

You have a well-established track record in this forum of claiming to be British and sneering at South Asians, which is quite frankly hilarious given that your are of South Asian descent.

I am a US citizen, and I recognize the shortcomings of South Asia. But being of South Asian descent, I would never pretend to be something else and sneer at other South Asians.

Integrating doesn't mean that one has to become a mental slave and look down on their ancestors. It means to learn the culture and adopt the good parts of it, and not continuously criticize the hosts.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Kashmir was a majority Muslim state at the time of partition,

AS for Hari Singh, he never wanted it to be part of India forever and wanted the people to vote.

But as a Modi fan, you believe clouds deter radar so Ill give you some leeway.

Kashmir was not up for partition. So what majority it had was immaterial.

As for Hari Singh, he never disputed the accession. His descendents havent done so either, so Pakistanis cannot dispute it surely.

So please provide some reference to back up your claim.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Kashmir was not up for partition. So what majority it had was immaterial.

As for Hari Singh, he never disputed the accession. His descendents havent done so either, so Pakistanis cannot dispute it surely.

So please provide some reference to back up your claim.

All land was questionable.

The RSS school of propaganda is really working well with some.

Read the letter or read below for a simple explanation as you may not understand the letter.

The Dogra ruler at the time, Hari Singh, initially wanted Kashmir to become independent. But when tribesmen from Pakistan attempted to invade the region he agreed to join India in October 1947.

India's first Prime Minister Jawahar Lal Nehru sent troops to protect Kashmir from a possible Pakistani invasion. As a result, Hari Singh signed an instrument to accede the state to the Indian dominion. Article 370, which guaranteed Kashmir's autonomy in the Indian Union, was also added to the Indian constitution as a direct outcome of the instrument.

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/kashmir-struggle-start-1947-today-190815093053238.html

 

[Mp812]

The PM had a justifiable reason. He is so engrossed with Kashmir and local problems that Chinese uighyurs can wait. Let him get Kashmir liberated and then that Chinese muslms will be first priority. Promise

 

[KingKhanWC]

Since Joshilabhai is busy.

Out of interest, do Indians actually believe Hari Singh gave away Kashmir to India without making it clear it should remain an autonomous region?

Nehru also promised a plebiciste or do Indians believe this is a lie too?

This is why Kashmir is different to China for Paksitan. As I wrote earlier anyone who sees both issues equally is really dumb imo.

 

[miandadrules]

Accountability to whom?

For the action of your chosen government. It is there to serve the people not the other way round. If you vote a government in, then you are accountable for its actions.

It is the electorate that has to hold it accountable and if you don’t then you are culpable to the atrocities it commits.

 

[miandadrules]

Who is a foreigner,any foreigner to hold a Indian leader and Indias to hold accountable?

Indians elected a leader for themselves, they are not accountable to any foreigner for that.

You’re culpable for the actions of your government if you voted it in and didn’t hold it accountable then share responsibility for its crime.

Now, if you’re comfortable with allowing human rights abuses as it doesn’t harm your interests, then it speaks volumes about you and your society.

 

[miandadrules]

Such a dumb argument.

Imran is not Khalifa of the Muslim world, he is PM of Pakistan. Why doesn't he speak about Palestine, Yemen, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, et etc.

Kashmir was meant to be part of Pakistan, those other areas werent. Also Kashmir is occupied, China is doing in its own land.

I dont expect Indians to understand anything.

Pakistan has an official state policy on Palestine.


The masters are in Yemen and in China.

He can’t cry foul on Kashmir, whilst playing ignorance in China and Yemen.

 

[Pete Rose]

Imagine thinking charges of hypocrisy will stump nations from following national interests.

 

[Thomaskutty]

Imagine thinking charges of hypocrisy will stump nations from following national interests.

The question is .. why exactly is J&K issue in Pakistan's national interest? After a bit of contemplation, most pakistanis will silently realise that they really have no answer to this.

 

[Pete Rose]

The question is .. why exactly is J&K issue in Pakistan's national interest? After a bit of contemplation, most pakistanis will silently realise that they really have no answer to this.

My dude, you live in a country where the government has come to power on a pathos of imaginary subjugation in the past, virulent hatred of appeasement (no idea why that should hurt anyone), and regularly falsifying of aryan migration. Our psychosis might go back 70 years or so, but your basket case nation is busy trying to fight an imaginary enemy from centuries ago.

 

[cricketjoshila]

All land was questionable.

The RSS school of propaganda is really working well with some.

Read the letter or read below for a simple explanation as you may not understand the letter.



https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/kashmir-struggle-start-1947-today-190815093053238.html

All land was questionable? Lol why?

Read what Karan Singh said after art.35A was abrogated.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Clearly you are lacking in the brain cells department...

But I’ll say it again. Pakistanis believe Kashmir to be part of Pakistan and have historical links with them and hence care for Kashmiris. No such links with Uighur Muslims

Why do Pakistanis feel Kashmir is a part of Pakistan ?. India has more legal grounds here as Hari Singh signed over legal documents to join India. Pakistan illegally tried to invade Kashmir using Afghan Tribals, what gave you the right to invade an independant sovereign land ? ...Looking forward to a sensible reply from you.

 

[pillionrider]

But I’ll say it again. Pakistanis believe Kashmir to be part of Pakistan

Poor Kashmiris thought after breaking off from India they'd be Azad

 

[Kaptan]

Clearly you are lacking in the brain cells department...

But I’ll say it again. Pakistanis believe Kashmir to be part of Pakistan and have historical links with them and hence care for Kashmiris. No such links with Uighur Muslims

It was never about historical links.
Not long ago your PM was harping about NRC issue in Assam. Do Pakistanis also believe Assam to be a part of Pakistan or do they have historical links with them ?

 

[Itachi]

For the action of your chosen government. It is there to serve the people not the other way round. If you vote a government in, then you are accountable for its actions.

It is the electorate that has to hold it accountable and if you don’t then you are culpable to the atrocities it commits.

You didn't get my question.

What I asked was, Indian population will be accountable to whom? To which entity?

 

[blackanhyellow]

Why do Pakistanis feel Kashmir is a part of Pakistan ?. India has more legal grounds here as Hari Singh signed over legal documents to join India. Pakistan illegally tried to invade Kashmir using Afghan Tribals, what gave you the right to invade an independant sovereign land ? ...Looking forward to a sensible reply from you.

Kashmiris from the western districts of kashmir revolted against hari singh after independence. They felt over taxed and subjugated by hari Singh's rule.

They approached pakistan for help. Pakistan then proceeded to send tribals.

Hari singh out of desperation acceded to india.

If pakistan had no right to intervene on behalf of kashmiris, then india had no right to intervene on behalf junagadh in 1947, bangladesh in 1971 or any of the other times india has been aggressive towards pakistan. It's hilarious how indians paint themselves as somehow innocent and Pakistan as the only villain. History always has two sides.

 

[globalcitizen]

Since Joshilabhai is busy.

Out of interest, do Indians actually believe Hari Singh gave away Kashmir to India without making it clear it should remain an autonomous region?

Nehru also promised a plebiciste or do Indians believe this is a lie too?

This is why Kashmir is different to China for Paksitan. As I wrote earlier anyone who sees both issues equally is really dumb imo.

After partition Kashmir was one state where people were not sure where to migrate. Just before any plebiscite happening, the pashtun tribe invaded the Kashmir region. Hari Singh asked for India’s help to reclaim the Kashmir region on condition of getting annexed to india. Nehru ordered the forces to capture majority of Kashmir which is indian Kashmir now. Although he could have gone further he ordered his troops to stop just before capturing Pakistan Kashmir. This was established years later as the line of control.

 

[blackanhyellow]

Shameful double standards though bro.

When it comes to Kashmir, Ummah is bigger than nation state, then you even have to poke nose into India's internal issues and what minorities are going through in India.

Pakistanis don't have to agree or disagree here but the world at large has pretty much seen through this hypocrisy and the dull response so far to Imran';s outrageous social media campaign against India is a testament to that.

Double standards?

India is a country that at the same time has vegetarians for humanitarian reasons, yet kill people for being suspected of eating beef. Oh yeah then the courts find the killers innocent despite video evidence. Then india paints itself as a secular democracy.

Now that is hypocracy.

Imran is just being pragmatic.

 

[blackanhyellow]

But that's not the marketing spin given when folks are in the middle of their Kashmir / Palestine-fed outrage: they say it's all about the Ummah, of which the Kashmiri / Palestinian is a part.

And what's the answer?

Pick a fight with everyone all at once?

You have to be pragmatic. Pick and choose your battles at the time of your choosing.

Also, china is not an enemy country where pakistan would call them out on the international stage. India is.

Most of pakistans and China diplomacy happens behind closed doors. So there is no guarantee that Pakistan government hasn't brought up the chinese muslim issue.

 

[blackanhyellow]

Lol this is hilarious.

People that voted for the butcher of gujarat are criticizing imran for lack of humanity

 

[Romali_rotti]

Kashmiris from the western districts of kashmir revolted against hari singh after independence. They felt over taxed and subjugated by hari Singh's rule.

They approached pakistan for help. Pakistan then proceeded to send tribals.

Hari singh out of desperation acceded to india.

If pakistan had no right to intervene on behalf of kashmiris, then india had no right to intervene on behalf junagadh in 1947, bangladesh in 1971 or any of the other times india has been aggressive towards pakistan. It's hilarious how indians paint themselves as somehow innocent and Pakistan as the only villain. History always has two sides.

Hari Singh initially did not want to ascend to India, he wanted to remain independent, Pakistani leaderships had already approached Hari Singh and invited him to join Pakistan however he was not sure and Pakistan eventually became impatient and tried to forcefully occupy all of Jammu and Kashmir then Hari Singh went to India. Pakistan had no business trying to invade a free and soverign territory that did not belong to them.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I can't be burned by things that I regard as ridiculous.

You have a well-established track record in this forum of claiming to be British and sneering at South Asians, which is quite frankly hilarious given that your are of South Asian descent.

I am a US citizen, and I recognize the shortcomings of South Asia. But being of South Asian descent, I would never pretend to be something else and sneer at other South Asians.

Integrating doesn't mean that one has to become a mental slave and look down on their ancestors. It means to learn the culture and adopt the good parts of it, and not continuously criticize the hosts.

Being of south Asian descent doesn't mean one has to be any much of a lesser British subject for what it's worth, other than in the mind of immigrants with an inferiority complex. We are free to criticise or praise whatsoever we feel worthy just like Britons of any other ethnic origin.

If I criticise South Asian countries, then that is because I see something in them that is not that great. I will criticise Britain as well if that is in order, and that doesn't make me any less of a Brit. I think being an immigrant, you have this mistaken view that all persons of colour in western countries are permanently to be viewed as outsiders, which doesn't really register with me as I have never been an immigrant in this country.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Since Joshilabhai is busy.

Out of interest, do Indians actually believe Hari Singh gave away Kashmir to India without making it clear it should remain an autonomous region?

Nehru also promised a plebiciste or do Indians believe this is a lie too?

This is why Kashmir is different to China for Paksitan. As I wrote earlier anyone who sees both issues equally is really dumb imo.

Neither Hari Singh nor his son Karan Singh have raised any objections. What makes pakistanis think they have the right to raise one?

 

[cricketjoshila]

You’re culpable for the actions of your government if you voted it in and didn’t hold it accountable then share responsibility for its crime.

Now, if you’re comfortable with allowing human rights abuses as it doesn’t harm your interests, then it speaks volumes about you and your society.

What crime? Who decides what is crime and what is abuse? Who is the judge? Which entity is judging the society?

 

[Itachi]

And what's the answer?

Pick a fight with everyone all at once?

You have to be pragmatic. Pick and choose your battles at the time of your choosing.

Also, china is not an enemy country where pakistan would call them out on the international stage. India is.

So in simple words, it isn't the religion that plays the part but actually who the enemy is. Depending upon whether it is an ally or enemy, the same action will yield different reaction from Pakistan.

if there is any self interest, then Pakistan will raise voice in the name of religion yet, if raising voice does harm the nation in any sector, one will either speak or be silent about it.

Hence, religion is just a facade, a weapon, with which Pakistan is picking and choosing battle.

If it isn't double standard, then I don't know what else is.

 

[IMMY69]

Neither Hari Singh nor his son Karan Singh have raised any objections. What makes pakistanis think they have the right to raise one?

Are you taking about Hari Singh who forcefully tried to change the demographics of Kashmir prior to the invasion of the Muslim tribals?

 

[pakistan2030]

its interesting how people compare xinjiang with kashmir, when Kashmir is a recognized UNSC conflict. People want to blur out the importance of Kashmir issue with Xinjiang to discredit the Kashmir Movement.

 

[Itachi]

its interesting how people compare xinjiang with kashmir, when Kashmir is a recognized UNSC conflict. People want to blur out the importance of Kashmir issue with Xinjiang to discredit the Kashmir Movement.

No one is discrediting. It's about differential treatment based upon own interests which exposes the true intention of PTI and Pakistan.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

So in simple words, it isn't the religion that plays the part but actually who the enemy is. Depending upon whether it is an ally or enemy, the same action will yield different reaction from Pakistan.

if there is any self interest, then Pakistan will raise voice in the name of religion yet, if raising voice does harm the nation in any sector, one will either speak or be silent about it.

Hence, religion is just a facade, a weapon, with which Pakistan is picking and choosing battle.

If it isn't double standard, then I don't know what else is.

Kashmir is a disputed territory between India and Pakistan, China's Xinjiang province isn't.

You are capable of recognising the difference I am confident of it. It may just need to be explained at a slower pace.

 

[Mamoon]

Kashmir is a disputed territory between India and Pakistan, China's Xinjiang province isn't.

You are capable of recognising the difference I am confident of it. It may just need to be explained at a slower pace.

Correct, which is why Imran is fooling no one by labeling Kashmir a humanitarian issue.

 

[mgtow]

That is why no leader can come close to Erdogan. A must needed leader who calls spade a spade.

We have another Nawaz Sharif in making so don’t expect any positive change. Imran khan wanted powers much like Nawaz Sharif and Zardari did and they made deal with Pakistan Army to make it happen.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Correct, which is why Imran is fooling no one by labeling Kashmir a humanitarian issue.

Anywhere that abuse of citizens takes place is a humanitarian issue regardless of Imran Khan's or Modi supporters opinions.

 

[Mamoon]

Anywhere that abuse of citizens takes place is a humanitarian issue regardless of Imran Khan's or Modi supporters opinions.

Let me rephrase: Kashmir is a not a humanitarian issue for Pakistan.

 

[blackanhyellow]

Hari Singh initially did not want to ascend to India, he wanted to remain independent, Pakistani leaderships had already approached Hari Singh and invited him to join Pakistan however he was not sure and Pakistan eventually became impatient and tried to forcefully occupy all of Jammu and Kashmir then Hari Singh went to India. Pakistan had no business trying to invade a free and soverign territory that did not belong to them.

Like I said the kashmiris revolted first, then asked Pakistan for help.

 

[Mamoon]

Let me rephrase: Kashmir is a not a humanitarian issue for Pakistan.

is not*

 

[blackanhyellow]

So in simple words, it isn't the religion that plays the part but actually who the enemy is. Depending upon whether it is an ally or enemy, the same action will yield different reaction from Pakistan.

if there is any self interest, then Pakistan will raise voice in the name of religion yet, if raising voice does harm the nation in any sector, one will either speak or be silent about it.

Hence, religion is just a facade, a weapon, with which Pakistan is picking and choosing battle.

If it isn't double standard, then I don't know what else is.

Pakistan has sided with muslims throughout its history even at it's own expense.

Choosing not to outwardly criticize china on a muslim issue once does not make it double standards. Like I said, you have to be pragmatic sometimes.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Let me rephrase: Kashmir is a not a humanitarian issue for Pakistan.

It's more of an issue for Pakistan than China's Xinjiang province that your Indian friends keep bringing up.

 

[blackanhyellow]

Let me rephrase: Kashmir is a not a humanitarian issue for Pakistan.

what is funny is you want Pakistan to take steps like these. I.e. forget about the ummah and protect its self interest. You have mentioned this several times in the past.

For once in pakistans life, they are doing just that, and what do you want to happen? You want Pakistan to openly say the ummah is dead? Even if it is, what will saying that achieve?

Let's say hypothetically to agree with you and the indian posters here the ummah is a tool for Pakistan to use to achieve foreign policy objectives.

The united states goes around the world invading countries trying to bring them freedom, democracy, and liberty. Do they go around saying it isn't about any of that, it is about achieving political objectives?

 

[Mamoon]

It's more of an issue for Pakistan than China's Xinjiang province that your Indian friends keep bringing up.

It is purely a political issue for Pakistan. Our treatment of East Pakistan, Balochistan and FATA shows that humanity means nothing to our state.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Are you taking about Hari Singh who forcefully tried to change the demographics of Kashmir prior to the invasion of the Muslim tribals?

I am talking about Hari Singh who was the ruling monarch of Kashmir just like the ones in Saudi,UAE etc, who the pakistani PM chauffers around.

 

[IMMY69]

I am talking about Hari Singh who was the ruling monarch of Kashmir just like the ones in Saudi,UAE etc, who the pakistani PM chauffers around.

Mahatma Gandhi commented on the situation in Jammu on 25 December 1947 in his speech at a prayer meeting in New Delhi: "The Hindus and Sikhs of Jammu and those who had gone there from outside killed Muslims. The Maharaja of Kashmir is responsible for what is happening there…A large number of Muslims have been killed there and Muslim women have been dishonoured."

 

[miandadrules]

What crime? Who decides what is crime and what is abuse? Who is the judge? Which entity is judging the society?

Allow independent verification if you have nothing to hide.

What’s a crime? When it comes to a state anything that violates an individuals human rights. We can start with the UN charter.

Or are you saying that the GoI is above such standards?