Imran Khan likens Muslim sentiment for blasphemy to Jews' for holocaust

[Lalafied]

This is what makes the world go round and fact is that Jews have it and Muslims do not.

Their clout is short lived and one which will end in pure horror for them!

 

[Space Cat]

Trivializing the death of 7 million humans is not the same as insulting somebody's imaginary friend.

Ridiculous statement.

 

[Bhaijaan]

I would refrain from both and i don't think that's very hard to do. It's sad that there are real life trolls out there (most of us being harmless internet trolls only) who like stirring it up to see people going crazy.



It's also sad to see sensitive humans taking the bait so easily and reacting violently to such provocations. In tough times such as these, influential people like Imran Khan should come out condemning all the over the top protests and not say anything to justify those actions.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Imran Khan is in trouble.

As per my belief system he did commit blasphemy but looks like unintentional and on part of ignorance.

But as a Muslim it did hurt my sentiments.


Now the reaction of Tehreek Labbaik Ya Rasool Allah is extremist and quite terrible. This organisation should be banned, its offices should be sealed and it's leaders should be jailed. They are playing with people's life and spreading hate. They should be booked under the National Action Plan and the laws made under it.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

These Mullah's have destroyed Islam.


Whoever taught IK Islam cannot be termed an Aalim.


A Wahi (revelation) is a great blessing of Allah. And no way Allah would stop communicating with He Pbuh through Wahi.


With the completion of Revelation of Quran only that Wahi ceased forever which brings religion as Islam got completed finally and Quran was revealed fully. This does not mean that Allah stopped communicating with his Prophet Pbuh.

Furthermore just to quote one example only is of Hazrat Ali RA.


Prophet Pbuh called him Khaatam ul Aoliyaa.

So He RA was " Waliullah "


Allah communicates with his Saints through Wahi aswell though since the Saint is not at the same level as a Non Sheraee Nabi say Hazrat Younis AS so this ex-communication is lesser and further less than a Sheraee Nabi say He Pbuh , Moses, Jesus etc.


So Allah does not communicate that frequently with a Saint as compared to a Non Law bearing Prophet or a Law bearing Prophet.


I can enlist dozens of People who are considered Saints by Ahl e Sunnat who claimed that they received Wahi ie revelation. No islamic scholar of those times stood up at that time and said that you are lying as Wahi has deceased with He Pbuh.


So Imran Khan saying that Allah stopped sending Wahi on He Pbuh is factually incorrect.

And I don't even want to use the terrible word he used for my Aaqa o Matah Pbuh. Disgusting.


To save his life from these barbaric evil Ulema e Soo and their extremist followers Imran Khan should immediately apologise and still he should beef up his security 400 times as still he will have threat even after submitting apology.


Once again Imran Khan should have some Aqal. He should not talk about Islamic figures if he has no tameez how to name them in public. He takes names of Prophets and Caliphs as if they were ordinary people. This isn't the way.

 

[Black Zero]

These Mullah's have destroyed Islam.


Whoever taught IK Islam cannot be termed an Aalim.


A Wahi (revelation) is a great blessing of Allah. And no way Allah would stop communicating with He Pbuh through Wahi.


With the completion of Revelation of Quran only that Wahi ceased forever which brings religion as Islam got completed finally and Quran was revealed fully. This does not mean that Allah stopped communicating with his Prophet Pbuh.

Furthermore just to quote one example only is of Hazrat Ali RA.


Prophet Pbuh called him Khaatam ul Aoliyaa.

So He RA was " Waliullah "


Allah communicates with his Saints through Wahi aswell though since the Saint is not at the same level as a Non Sheraee Nabi say Hazrat Younis AS so this ex-communication is lesser and further less than a Sheraee Nabi say He Pbuh , Moses, Jesus etc.


So Allah does not communicate that frequently with a Saint as compared to a Non Law bearing Prophet or a Law bearing Prophet.


I can enlist dozens of People who are considered Saints by Ahl e Sunnat who claimed that they received Wahi ie revelation. No islamic scholar of those times stood up at that time and said that you are lying as Wahi has deceased with He Pbuh.


So Imran Khan saying that Allah stopped sending Wahi on He Pbuh is factually incorrect.

And I don't even want to use the terrible word he used for my Aaqa o Matah Pbuh. Disgusting.


To save his life from these barbaric evil Ulema e Soo and their extremist followers Imran Khan should immediately apologise and still he should beef up his security 400 times as still he will have threat even after submitting apology.


Once again Imran Khan should have some Aqal. He should not talk about Islamic figures if he has no tameez how to name them in public. He takes names of Prophets and Caliphs as if they were ordinary people. This isn't the way.

What and when was the last wahi muhammad received as per your history?
As otherwise we know the last ayah revealed some considerable period before death.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

What and when was the last wahi muhammad received as per your history?
As otherwise we know the last ayah revealed some considerable period before death.

Again you are confusing both things. The revelation which brought last verse was indeed the last revelation which brought Quran and with it, such revelation seized forever.

But He Pbuh never said that now Allah will not communicate with his Caliphs or saints through " Wahi " that Wahi did not bring a new religion or a new code of life.


There are many Prophecies of He Pbuh which are present in Ahadees books and are fulfilled in letter and spirit. He Pbuh claimed that Allah told him that those things will happen and they did happen. He Pbuh was given that information by Allah SWT through non law bearing Wahi/Ilhaam which is not part of Quran but the message was true and proved to be true.

 

[Black Zero]

Again you are confusing both things. The revelation which brought last verse was indeed the last revelation which brought Quran and with it, such revelation seized forever.

But He Pbuh never said that now Allah will not communicate with his Caliphs or saints through " Wahi " that Wahi did not bring a new religion or a new code of life.


There are many Prophecies of He Pbuh which are present in Ahadees books and are fulfilled in letter and spirit. He Pbuh claimed that Allah told him that those things will happen and they did happen. He Pbuh was given that information by Allah SWT through non law bearing Wahi/Ilhaam which is not part of Quran but the message was true and proved to be true.

Then there is a mention of another type of wahi, like wahi sent to honey bees and then there is another one which Satan send to his people.

How do you know what IK was referring to?

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Then there is a mention of another type of wahi, like wahi sent to honey bees and then there is another one which Satan send to his people.

How do you know what IK was referring to?

Shetaan is not capable of sending Wahi.


Honey bee one is correct.


If you have any objection to types of Wahi than you can open a seperate thread and present your opinion and I will present my opinion.


This thread is about blasphemy and it has been updated by me wrt words uttered by IK and the Fatwa issues against IK at which I gave my opinion. This thread should not be derailed.

I will be available for " Sairr Haasil Guftagu " if you want one in another thread.

 

[Black Zero]

Shetaan is not capable of sending Wahi.


Honey bee one is correct.


If you have any objection to types of Wahi than you can open a seperate thread and present your opinion and I will present my opinion.


This thread is about blasphemy and it has been updated by me wrt words uttered by IK and the Fatwa issues against IK at which I gave my opinion. This thread should not be derailed.

I will be available for " Sairr Haasil Guftagu " if you want one in another thread.

You did not answer my question about IK.how could we sure what type of wahi IK was talking about.

And yes, satan is capable of wahi as per quran ayah 6.112 (word wahi is used )

To me as there is no evidence of any type of wahi, so I do not see point opening in another thread....just pointed out that we do not know what IK meant.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

You did not answer my question about IK.how could we sure what type of wahi IK was talking about.

And yes, satan is capable of wahi as per quran ayah 6.112 (word wahi is used )

To me as there is no evidence of any type of wahi, so I do not see point opening in another thread....just pointed out that we do not know what IK meant.

Because that is the common belief and you know that quite well.


Some mentally derailed people also claim that they receive wahi from Allah. Ultimately their claim is weighed on what they says happens or not ? What they associate with Allah if that occurs in present or future than their claim cannot be refuted as them being either mentally derailed or misguided by Sattan.

I was talking about " Real Wahi " you are right about Sattanic inclinations seen as Wahi. Quran is right.

There is no sicientific evidence of Allah's existence or non existence and religion comes after it so I guess our debate ends here. Unfortunately.

 

[Black Zero]

Holocaust denial is illegal in most western European countries, baring UK and Nordic countries.
Also the is no such law in usa. Freedom of speech trumps in these cases.

 

[Indiafan]

Holocaust is one of the blackest chapter in human history. The reason denying that is illegal in some places, particularly Europe, is not to spare Jews feelings but so that history is not repeated again. They dont want even 1% chance of people forgetting this chapter of human history and repeating it in the future.

Holocaust was about majority turning on minority. You cannot compare blasphemy laws which supports majority in oppressing minority, to holocaust. True comparison will be if blasphemy laws had come in countries where Muslims are oppressed and killed by other religions. The great Khan is wrong on this one

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

After Fatwa's by Pir Muhammad Afzal Qadri, the religious scholar whose video of giving " Maa Behun Ghaleez " abuses got viral few months ago and after the video message of Allama Khaadim Hussain Rizvi another scholar known for abusing,


Imran Khan apologies.


Right move by IK but still he should beef up his security since Qadri's followers are on a high since his Death sentence.


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[Mamoon]

What Imran said was not wrong, but the problem is that he has no control on his mouth and it gets him into trouble time and time again.

Such comments in a country like Pakistan will always be taken out of context in a country like Pakistan, but he needs to be careful. I know he is extremely delusional and likes to think he is some chosen saviour who has been sent by God to save Pakistan, but he should stop making analogies with prophets etc. if he doesn't want fatwas issued against him.

 

[Napa]

Holocaust was the murder of a very large number of people by those wielding state power.

Blasphemy is speech that contradicts a religious text, for example the denial of supernatural events that are associated with religions.

Given that there are at least 5 religious beliefs in the world (Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism and Atheism) with close to a billion adherents it is quite possible that whatever is blasphemous to a large number of people is fine with others.

Comparing murder with blasphemy does not make sense.

Blasphemy is not only against non-violent free speech but religious dogma is used to justify inequality in society.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

What Imran said was not wrong, but the problem is that he has no control on his mouth and it gets him into trouble time and time again.

Such comments in a country like Pakistan will always be taken out of context in a country like Pakistan, but he needs to be careful. I know he is extremely delusional and likes to think he is some chosen saviour who has been sent by God to save Pakistan, but he should stop making analogies with prophets etc. if he doesn't want fatwas issued against him.

Did you watch what He said ?

Would you lile to repeat that line for Mohammad e Arabi Pbuh ?

 

[enkidu_]

The Holocaust is unique in the history of mankind. First time a bunch of Christian Europeans ganged up against a minority and annihilated it nearly completely in the most cynically industrialized way possible (Christian Europeans already did it before, in the Americas/Oceania's, but took their time and were less methodic).

Even if I'm for blasphemy law and punishment for those who insult the Prophet (PBUH) in an Islamic State, I feel Imran Khan is going too far there. Nothing could beat what Jews had to go through under Christian Europeans.