Imran Khan sentences: Has justice been served or made a mockery of?

[BouncerGuy]

For me, this is just a mockery of justice. These decisions are so controversial and biased, they are just to please certain people who want nothing but power in Pakistan.

These decisions will go as the worst ones in the history of the judicial system. No wonder Pakistan's judiciary is placed at 130th place out of 142 total.

 

[UP]

Its a joke and revenge of few egos.

The main sufferers will be the ordinary people of the country due to lunatic policies. Pakistan needs strong and powerful governments to fix the mess and to get out of the deep hole we have landed in.

 

[I think therfore I am]

Its a joke and revenge of few egos.

The main sufferers will be the ordinary people of the country due to lunatic policies. Pakistan needs strong and powerful governments to fix the mess and to get out of the deep hole we have landed in.

The ordinary masses need to do something. Put up or shut up

 

[Bewal Express]

Even the International media has picked the terrible injustice and kangaroo courts. The fact that both judges ran, like the one in August tells you all you need to know. The fact that some people wanted him murdered shows how degraded their morals have become. The other thing is the irony and contradiction of the sentencing- for allegedly betraying PK he got 10 years but he got 14 for the jewellery case. If anyone can make sense of this nonsense, i am all ears

 

[Major]

so a guy who revealed state secrets, what punishment should he be given, you guys tell us?

let go scott free?

Doesnt work that way

 

[Bewal Express]

so a guy who revealed state secrets, what punishment should he be given, you guys tell us?

let go scott free?

Doesnt work that way

Which secret?

 

[Bewal Express]

so a guy who revealed state secrets, what punishment should he be given, you guys tell us?

let go scott free?

Doesnt work that way

Was the cypher real? I remember you claiming it was fake.

 

[Varun]

The ordinary masses need to do something. Put up or shut up

Ordinary masses: "OK, we'll shut up."

 

[Sher Khan]

The state secrets one is punishable in my honest opinion. A 10 yr sentence however seems a bit too harsh.

The toshakana case to me makes no sense. It is Imran's property after he paid the required fraction to the state treasury and he can do as he pleases with the gifts.

 

[globetrotter]

The judicial system in Pakistan is extremely biased and functions under ruling government… After resignation, IK was give ultimatum of leave the country or face the trial.

 

[Extra_Cover]

so a guy who revealed state secrets, what punishment should he be given, you guys tell us?

let go scott free?

Doesnt work that way

Happy to be engaged in a conversation again on Cipher case. Let's just start with what you define as "state secrets"?

 

[Cricket Warrior]

This is the worst decision from the pathetic judicial system who can do anything for the sake of money but one thing people have seen here is the courage of Imran Khan who preferred to remain in jail but never took NRO.

 

[sweep_shot]

Kangaroo court.

Mockery definitely.

 

[Bewal Express]

The state secrets one is punishable in my honest opinion. A 10 yr sentence however seems a bit too harsh.

The toshakana case to me makes no sense. It is Imran's property after he paid the required fraction to the state treasury and he can do as he pleases with the gifts.

What was the secret that IK betrayed.

 

[gazza619]

so a guy who revealed state secrets, what punishment should he be given, you guys tell us?

let go scott free?

Doesnt work that way

Well we all know the organisation who actually sells their souls for state secrets. We are not fools.

 

[Bewal Express]

Ordinary masses: "OK, we'll shut up."

They havent, they have had no leadership as most of the PTI Leaders are underground, forced to resign or in prison. With one call IK showed that despite all these, the masses came out and were attacked by a criminal mafia.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Most stupidiest sentences ever.

 

[Major]

The state secrets one is punishable in my honest opinion. A 10 yr sentence however seems a bit too harsh.

The toshakana case to me makes no sense. It is Imran's property after he paid the required fraction to the state treasury and he can do as he pleases with the gifts.

nope. Imran used to bash others for it. He should had walked the talk.

 

[Major]

Most stupidiest sentences ever.

stupidier than sadiq and amin case?

 

[Bewal Express]

nope. Imran used to bash others for it. He should had walked the talk.


THing is, where was this thread when sadiq and amin was the reason for removing Shareef?

What was the secret? Is it such a secret that you can't tell us, the judge ran without, the witnesses weren't allowed to questioned, and the trial was in secret. So stop running and tell us what this secret is

 

[I think therfore I am]

Ordinary masses: "OK, we'll shut up."

Exactly subservient idiots

 

[Cricket Warrior]

stupidier than sadiq and amin case?

Do you still believe that one was even a case to be taken up?

That judge himself wasn't sadiq or ameen as he collected all the dam funds and ran.

what sort of judgment u can expect from such corrupt loosers.

 

[Technics 1210]

so a guy who revealed state secrets, what punishment should he be given, you guys tell us?

let go scott free?

Doesnt work that way

But the guys (like you and Mamoon) who did not believe in the cipher, claimed IK was lying, are now rallying behind the same establishment that denied the cipher all along, only to accept there was a cipher when sentencing IK.

You cannot demand punishment when you thought IK was telling the truth all along.

Doesn't work that way.

 

[Major]

Do you still believe that one was even a case to be taken up?

That judge himself wasn't sadiq or ameen as he collected all the dam funds and ran.

what sort of judgment u can expect from such corrupt loosers.

sadiq and amin was the dumbest case ever, and yet no one cares about that.

This, revealing state secrets is a valid case and the jdugement is justified. If every lunatic PM is going to reveal state secrets that country would be doomed.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

sadiq and amin was the dumbest case ever, and yet no one cares about that.

This, revealing state secrets is a valid case and the jdugement is justified. If every lunatic PM is going to reveal state secrets that country would be doomed.

what sort of secret it was which he leaked? was that a security threat?

Don't you think that revelation was better for the nation? Someone from outside ur country threatening your PM and then your PM doesn't have the right to inform your nation about what's going on?

 

[Major]

what sort of secret it was which he leaked? was that a security threat?

Don't you think that revelation was better for the nation? Someone from outside ur country threatening your PM and then your PM doesn't have the right to inform your nation about what's going on?

bro, a confidential file is confidential. THere is no justification.

No it was not better. No one was threatening, this is something that only PTI fans believe in.

Such communication between embassies is very normal and takes place all the time. The PM doesnt have the right to reveal things to the public if its confidential and needs parliaments approval.

By leaking this info, he broke the ties and ruined relations with US diplomats and govt. Govts around the world spend millions of dollars to develop relations with other countries, these embassies have high cost to run. When you leak confidential information, you end up breaking the trust to the level that US diplomats and US govt officials wont be having any relations or communications through us wasting all investments.

As for the "message", they are normal messages that place, and bigger countries do send such messages as a way of posturing. They are not literal and only dumb people take it literal.

Our 17 grade govt officers and above are educated people, especially the ones in foreign affairs, and they handle these communications. The awaam isnt, and by leaking such confidential info to the awaam, Imran again used his populism to derive support for himself.

No PTI fan here will ever accept it, but Imran did an own goal by revealing it and it comes under state secrets. If the courts allow him to get away with this, than there will be no control on the PMs in future leaking confidential information to the public.

 

[moghul]

Armed gang, Kangaroo courts, shameless judges : deadly combination

 

[BouncerGuy]

bro, a confidential file is confidential. THere is no justification.

No it was not better. No one was threatening, this is something that only PTI fans believe in.

Such communication between embassies is very normal and takes place all the time. The PM doesnt have the right to reveal things to the public if its confidential and needs parliaments approval.

By leaking this info, he broke the ties and ruined relations with US diplomats and govt. Govts around the world spend millions of dollars to develop relations with other countries, these embassies have high cost to run. When you leak confidential information, you end up breaking the trust to the level that US diplomats and US govt officials wont be having any relations or communications through us wasting all investments.

As for the "message", they are normal messages that place, and bigger countries do send such messages as a way of posturing. They are not literal and only dumb people take it literal.

Our 17 grade govt officers and above are educated people, especially the ones in foreign affairs, and they handle these communications. The awaam isnt, and by leaking such confidential info to the awaam, Imran again used his populism to derive support for himself.

No PTI fan here will ever accept it, but Imran did an own goal by revealing it and it comes under state secrets. If the courts allow him to get away with this, than there will be no control on the PMs in future leaking confidential information to the public.

All of this Cipher case was bogus. Every guy in opposition to IK was saying that it is fake and has not truth in it, non-existent. Not just politicians, even the establishment was saying that there is no such thing as this. How can a person be sentenced based on a thing that was non-existant?

The cipher was made to exist once again just to take out IK. Reality is a bitter one here and needs acceptance.

 

[Major]

All of this Cipher case was bogus. Every guy in opposition to IK was saying that it is fake and has not truth in it, non-existent. Not just politicians, even the establishment was saying that there is no such thing as this. How can a person be sentenced based on a thing that was non-existant?

The cipher was made to exist once again just to take out IK. Reality is a bitter one here and needs acceptance.

bro he leaked a confidential file to the public.

No one is going to come out openly and say yes to what Imran said cause that is self sabotaging. Offcourse every govt will deny when confidential files are leaked.

You think USA accepted the NSA information that was leaked?

Reality is, he over played his hand, and was ready to sabotage the country for his chair and he has rightfully been sentence.

In future, every PM will be careful with confidential info.

 

[BouncerGuy]

You think USA accepted the NSA information that was leaked?

The US government may not have openly accepted the NSA leaks, but it did lead to a significant public debate about privacy and surveillance.

This cipher is the same thing. It led the public of Pakistan to debate who is their friend and who is not. First of all, the debate is why everyone was denying it when there was actually a cipher there. They should have accepted it and then we can talk about leaks and stuff. Now we know that the interference is there by the 3rd world. Thanks to HIM

 

[MenInG]

Interesting poll result.

Obviously no one believes this judgement is right.

Let's move on, main thing for future of Pakistan is to see how and what can be done to stop this in the future.

 

[adi_62941]

Nawaz being ousted on the grounds of his iqama was not considered a mockery back then, but it is now.

 

[Major]

Nawaz being ousted on the grounds of his iqama was not considered a mockery back then, but it is now.

PTI fans and their delusional world

 

[Bewal Express]

bro, a confidential file is confidential. THere is no justification.

No it was not better. No one was threatening, this is something that only PTI fans believe in.

Such communication between embassies is very normal and takes place all the time. The PM doesnt have the right to reveal things to the public if its confidential and needs parliaments approval.

By leaking this info, he broke the ties and ruined relations with US diplomats and govt. Govts around the world spend millions of dollars to develop relations with other countries, these embassies have high cost to run. When you leak confidential information, you end up breaking the trust to the level that US diplomats and US govt officials wont be having any relations or communications through us wasting all investments.

As for the "message", they are normal messages that place, and bigger countries do send such messages as a way of posturing. They are not literal and only dumb people take it literal.

Our 17 grade govt officers and above are educated people, especially the ones in foreign affairs, and they handle these communications. The awaam isnt, and by leaking such confidential info to the awaam, Imran again used his populism to derive support for himself.

No PTI fan here will ever accept it, but Imran did an own goal by revealing it and it comes under state secrets. If the courts allow him to get away with this, than there will be no control on the PMs in future leaking confidential information to the public.

So the cypher was real then but you and Mamoon told us it was fake. Nani, Diesel, SS and Billo said it was fake. So all you guys lied and what that shows is that like with everything else you guys lie.
So let's get to the secret. If a General and the mafia in your country are told to overthrow an elected govt by Foreign power, then doesnt the govt have a right to tell its people. The law allowed the cabinet to declassify the info, which it did. The fact that the case was So embarrassing with the judge running off shows your pathetic levels.

 

[Bewal Express]

PTI fans and their delusional world

So says a liar. Was the cypher real

 

[IMMY69]

Interesting poll result.

Obviously no one believes this judgement is right.

Let's move on, main thing for future of Pakistan is to see how and what can be done to stop this in the future.

If someone re-writes history then how can you just move on?

Correct if I'm wrong but;
Firstly, Nawaz Shariff was not jailed because he was found not to be Sadie and Amin. He was jailed because of the Panama Leaks and because he stole billions from Pakistan.

Secondly, Imran Khan did not do anything that harmed the foreign policy but was speaking the truth, that he was being removed due to instructions from an outside country. That is not revealing state secrets, that, in fact that is quite the opposite.

If people on PP can't reply to a poster that has explained very succinctly how the judgements were wrong then why are they given the platform to spit lies after lies?

 

[Varun]

They havent, they have had no leadership as most of the PTI Leaders are underground, forced to resign or in prison. With one call IK showed that despite all these, the masses came out and were attacked by a criminal mafia.

The honest truth is, no change like this can ever happen top-down. It *has* to be bottom-up, it has to be grassroots. There has never been an example of a successful political change that was top-down.

Don't expect a single man against an entire establishment to win - he *will* die. *You* have to now make this happen. If you don't, say goodbye to everything you know and love in Pakistan, as the country will collapse.

 

[shortbread]

The honest truth is, no change like this can ever happen top-down. It *has* to be bottom-up, it has to be grassroots. There has never been an example of a successful political change that was top-down.

Well said! Is that how regular Indians are planning to get rid of the Right wing religious leaders ruling them?

 

[big_gamer007]

Interesting poll result.

Obviously no one believes this judgement is right.

Let's move on, main thing for future of Pakistan is to see how and what can be done to stop this in the future.

IMO Future of your country will stay the same or be worse if you guys don’t act against this decision. If you guys let IK go to prison then PML, PPP, your establishment and religious mafia will continue sending your country down the gutter for next century.

Time to act now else accept it will continue to be a hellhole for common people and live a substandard life.

 

[Varun]

Well said! Is that how regular Indians are planning to get rid of the Right wing religious leaders ruling them?

1. Whataboutism will not work.

2. Here at least I can sleep in peace knowing that if and when Modi is voted out, he will leave office quietly. Whether the next guy in line is any good is another debate.

 

[MenInG]

1. Whataboutism will not work.

2. Here at least I can sleep in peace knowing that if and when Modi is voted out, he will leave office quietly. Whether the next guy in line is any good is another debate.

And this will be the last post on this topic.

Stick to the title.

 

[Bewal Express]

The honest truth is, no change like this can ever happen top-down. It *has* to be bottom-up, it has to be grassroots. There has never been an example of a successful political change that was top-down.

Don't expect a single man against an entire establishment to win - he *will* die. *You* have to now make this happen. If you don't, say goodbye to everything you know and love in Pakistan, as the country will collapse.

That is true, but we Punjabis aren't the bravest and we need someone to lead us. The change has come, the Establishment are worried and they are worried that their crimes will be punished.

 

[Mamoon]

Imran is a traitor. There is no doubt about it. Therefore, this verdict is well-deserved.

 

[MenInG]

Imran is a traitor. There is no doubt about it. Therefore, this verdict is well-deserved.

Sorry - the traitors are now sitting in power.

Another sham decision - even Imran's ardent haters are having problems justifying these decisions.

 

[Varun]

The total sentences add up to 31 years.

On paper, does Imran Khan have to serve that many years? Or do they overlap?

 

[Bewal Express]

The total sentences add up to 31 years.

On paper, does Imran Khan have to serve that many years? Or do they overlap?

What happened to you after I gave you a source for RTS. You disappeared

 

[Varun]

What happened to you after I gave you a source for RTS. You disappeared

I don't even know what RTS or ABC or PQR is. I was simply asking for a source for your claim of "80% of Pakistan is with Imran Khan" as all you did was beat around the bush:

It's called the vote. It's the reason the Generals are offering deals and at the same time jailing for more and more stupid cases, which even the mafia are confused with. Bajwa is now under virtual house arrest, can't leave his house, NS has less people turn up to his jalsas than watch a village cricket game and the less said Billo the better

That is the electoral system. The PTI were cheated out of 20 seats. The likes of Khawaja and Qatil Rana were saved by Bajwa

RTS break down. This is a report from Dawn at the time and 2 of the beneficiaries were?

Weiterleitungshinweis

 

[Bewal Express]

I don't even know what RTS or ABC or PQR is. I was simply asking for a source for your claim of "80% of Pakistan is with Imran Khan" as all you did was beat around the bush:

So you don't know anything about RTS but you still commented on something you have clue about. Just brilliant

 

[Varun]

So you don't know anything about RTS but you still commented on something you have clue about. You accused IK of attacking Nani but without knowing that he has never said about her 16 week . Just brilliant

Let's try again. Provide a source (link to an article, ideally) which says or concludes that "80% of Pakistan's population of 231,402,119 supports Imran Khan".

No riddles, no random abbreviations used as escape routes, basically no naatak.

Go.

 

[Bewal Express]

Let's try again. Provide a source (link to an article, ideally) which says or concludes that "80% of Pakistan's population of 231,402,119 supports Imran Khan".

No riddles, no random abbreviations used as escape routes, basically no naatak.

Go.

Oh I see so now you want a source for my assertion about how many want IK as PM. Well the source is the jail sentences and for a more definitive source Go on YouTube and type in election surveys and you will get plenty. Ghareeda Farooqi tried faking hers and also search for her.

 

[Bewal Express]

Let's try again. Provide a source (link to an article, ideally) which says or concludes that "80% of Pakistan's population of 231,402,119 supports Imran Khan".

No riddles, no random abbreviations used as escape routes, basically no naatak.

Go.

You do know that PK media can't mention his name and you want full articles saying he has 70-80% support. As i said you guys need to comment on things you understand. Stop wasting our time

 

[Varun]

As i said you guys need to comment on things you understand. Stop wasting our time

If you believe I am "wasting your time", by all means - stop reading my posts and stop replying to me. It's your right.

You do know that PK media can't mention his name and you want full articles saying he has 70-80% support.

I don't "want full articles", I wanted you to backup a claim you made repeatedly, an article being one of the many avenues to provide said backup. So far I'll give you a 3/10 on this - just for effort.

 

[Bewal Express]

If you believe I am "wasting your time", by all means - stop reading my posts and stop replying to me. It's your right.



I don't "want full articles", I wanted you to backup a claim you made repeatedly, an article being one of the many avenues to provide said backup. So far I'll give you a 3/10 on this - just for effort.

Well I gave you the sources. Go on YouTube and search for PK elections( I am sure you can type) The fact that you didn't understand that PK is under Martial Law and want full articles on showing IK winning shows either ignorance or naivety. You decide

 

[Stewie]

The fact establishment has held off the elections, used Gustapo tactics to try finish off PTI, killed people and filled the jail with them should be easy for decipher for smart people that PTI posed a serious threat to them. There should be no need to ask for evidence or citations to prove this point. No party in Pakistan has faced the sort of extreme measures establishment has pulled on PTI.

 

[Major]

Imran is a traitor. There is no doubt about it. Therefore, this verdict is well-deserved.

should a traitor be hanged or not?

 

[Stewie]

should a traitor be hanged or not?

Let’s hang them all. Zardari first

 

[Bewal Express]

should a traitor be hanged or not?

Who is the traitor and who did he betray. I am sure you would agree the guys that took part in the coup at the behest of the Americans are the traitors, not the one that rumbled their plans

 

[Bewal Express]

Let’s hang them all. Zardari first

AZ stopped the elections and that is an article 6 offence. I am sure he will agree with you because @Major said to me watch what happens when the elections are stopped. Maybe he can inform you of what he did

 

[Savak]

The total sentences add up to 31 years.

On paper, does Imran Khan have to serve that many years? Or do they overlap?

The sentences all start today. Max sentence is 14 years.

 

[Extra_Cover]

The funny thing associated with these cases and so-called rushed sentences is that the Western news outlets started covering Pak elections. Couple of weeks before there was close to no noise on current elections in Pakistan.

However on the backdrop of these sentences there are editorial and new pieces done in West on current elections and the general theme of these elections are that they are already rigged with Imran Khan and PTI not being allowed to contest.

I have seen news coverage from BBC, Al Jazeera, DW, TRT, Vice and multiple Indian outlets. Whilst I have read news articles in BBC, Guardian, NYT, Time and WP.

So thanks to our establishment we are now getting the world attention which we so thoroughly deserved.

 

[Kianig89]

Even a stooge like Athar Minallah dissent with the decision of Qudratullah, sums up the credibility of our judges

 

[Extra_Cover]

Even a stooge like Athar Minallah dissent with the decision of Qudratullah, sums up the credibility of our judges

If I'm totally honest Athar Minallah is the only judge of Supreme Court who I can say without an ounce of doubt has any political leanings. The rest are either pro Qazi or pro Imran. Maybe Justice Mansoor Ali Shah is also one without bias (he has very good reputation) but his recent remarks on the case around independence of judiciary sparks some concern but not very material concerns.

 

[Kianig89]

If I'm totally honest Athar Minallah is the only judge of Supreme Court who I can say without an ounce of doubt has any political leanings. The rest are either pro Qazi or pro Imran. Maybe Justice Mansoor Ali Shah is also one without bias (he has very good reputation) but his recent remarks on the case around independence of judiciary sparks some concern but not very material concerns.

From session court to Supreme Court every judge has some lineage

 

[Bewal Express]

If I'm totally honest Athar Minallah is the only judge of Supreme Court who I can say without an ounce of doubt has any political leanings. The rest are either pro Qazi or pro Imran. Maybe Justice Mansoor Ali Shah is also one without bias (he has very good reputation) but his recent remarks on the case around independence of judiciary sparks some concern but not very material concerns.

Who are the pro Imran and what have they done that is pro imran?

 

[Extra_Cover]

Who are the pro Imran and what have they done that is pro imran?

Fair enough lets say pro constitution and law.

 

[Bewal Express]

Fair enough lets say pro constitution and law.

None of the judges were pro constitution or the law. For all the hype Bandial bottled it. He could have called SS directly and asked him but instead he went out like the lights in the PK summer. He disgraced the office and so did the whole of the Sc

 

[BouncerGuy]

Fair enough lets say pro constitution and law.

There is no law and constitution in Pakistan, brother. This judicial system is a mockery of justice nothing else. Every day that is passing right now, sounds much worse than the earlier ones because of the comical stuff happening in the judiciary. They made fun of the law and the constitution of 1973 is either not practiced anymore or it is outdated and needs to be amended.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

No wonder why we are so low down the order in serving justice compared to other countries.