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"In 3 years, Shaheen Afridi will be the number one quick bowler in world cricket" : Mickey Arthur

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mickey Arthur on radio commentary "I've made a prediction that in three years time, Shaheen Shah Afridi will be the number one quick bowler in world cricket" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1122109996697882625?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 27, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mickey Arthur on radio commentary "I'm really excited to watch Shaheen and Hasnain progress. Hopefully one day they'll be the new Wasim Akram-Waqar Younis combination" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1122112071578132481?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 27, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Ah crap, here we go again :facepalm:
 
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He puts unnecessary pressure on these young lads. I understand that you're excited about your talent, but why make statements that put unnecessary pressure on them to be the hero.
 
Mickey making OTT statements again and putting the young kid under unnecessary pressure :facepalm:
 
Shaheen has basically become another Amir in terms of the impact made in his debut year.
 
No need for OTT statements, mickey although i do believe that SSA is a top class prospect and he can very well be number 1 bowler in even lesser amount of time.
 
Big statement from Mickey and quite a challenge for Shaheen.

So far the lad has looked very good, but there are a lot of good bowlers out there.
 
Big statement from Mickey and quite a challenge for Shaheen.

So far the lad has looked very good, but there are a lot of good bowlers out there.

No doubt he has some of the attributes required to be the best but as said before it's the seam position for the inswing/ inseam that will ultimately determine it.
 
No need for OTT statements, mickey although i do believe that SSA is a top class prospect and he can very well be number 1 bowler in even lesser amount of time.

Its done to motivate people.
 
No need for OTT statements, mickey although i do believe that SSA is a top class prospect and he can very well be number 1 bowler in even lesser amount of time.

This message by Micky is not for media, cricket board or even the fans.

This message is only for Shaheen Afridi himself. Just to tell him, that if keeps working hard, with good attitude and by staying away from all the stuff that will stop his growth a bowler, he has a potential of becoming one of the best bowler in the world.

A lot of young players can not handle fame and wealth.....this is a way the mentors keep you on track!

You have to just look at what Aamir, Asif and Salman Butt did to ruin their careers.

Then Shoaib Akhtar is another example he could have played many more tests/ODI than he did .... only because of his less than 100% effort. If Shaoib Akhtar had work ethics, attitude and seriousness of Imran Khan (as a player), Shaoib Akhtar could have easily become the best bowler in the world.

Get this....
Shaoib Akhtar from his debut ODI to last ODI - played 163 ODIs. But guess how many ODIs his missed? A whopping 187!!!!!
Similarly he played 46 tests but missed 48 of them.

Now imagine if he had played 350 ODI and 94 tests!!! What kind of legacy he would have left. Now Shaoib Akhtar knows very well what he did and did not do.... to have missed 187 ODIs and 48 tests. Many times, he says .... I wish, I have played under Imran Khan... because Imran would have motivated him and kept him on the track.

So don't listen to what Mickey is saying. He is not talking to us fans. He is talking to Shaheen Shah.

... and I think, Mickey is right.... if Shaheen Shah stays on track and out of trouble ... he has potential to become a bowler that we badly need!
 
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Wasim was a one in a million kind of bowler and it annoys me when people use him as a comparison. SSA is good, possibly great, but if we see him do what Waz did in his prime i'll eat my socks.
 
Wasim was a one in a million kind of bowler and it annoys me when people use him as a comparison. SSA is good, possibly great, but if we see him do what Waz did in his prime i'll eat my socks.

The only difference is Wasim had a one in million mentor! basic ingredients are the same for both at age 19.
 
No need for OTT statements, mickey although i do believe that SSA is a top class prospect and he can very well be number 1 bowler in even lesser amount of time.

Nothing wrong with OTT statements. Mickey made the same statements about Babar and his game has transformed with such consistent show off confidence.

Can't wait to see Hussain in action in England. Mouthwatering.
 
Can't wait to see Hussain in action in England. Mouthwatering.

Hasnain you mean? Nothing mouthwatering about a player who has only played three ODIs no List A's and was picked solely on T20 performances.

Not to mention was smashed in conditions that aren't conductive to big hitting
 
These comments aren’t needed. Why are we so desperate to put our players in the bracket of best in the world? If they perform they will be there. Let’s not put them without performance.
 
After Babar, Faheem, now Shaheen...... Arthur shouldn’t be allowed any such futuristic comment - 3 years down the line who knows where he’ll be. He should be asked regarding what is the expectations from Shaheen in this WC.
 
Hasnain you mean? Nothing mouthwatering about a player who has only played three ODIs no List A's and was picked solely on T20 performances.

Not to mention was smashed in conditions that aren't conductive to big hitting

That is the Pakistan way. Throw kids at the deep end with no experience. I am glad Pakistan are back on that track. All that Western style grooming business has taken all passion out of Pakistan cricket.

You watch him grow in this series and in the world cup. He may have an odd bad game - but he will win matches.
 
Like this from Mickey. Obviously he has seen something in Shaheen which the arm chair critics havent seen sitting behind their keyboards. Also it will motivate Shaheen too that he just isnt in the top bracket in Pakistan rather have the the potential to be the world's best.

I know if Shaheen couldnt acheive big things in future critics will bump this thread and score points but for me what Mickey said is thousand times better than parroting our cricket is finished and bashing it all the freaking time. Why do such people even follow Pak cricket if they dont have any hope?
 
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Some people excel when they are in pressure. Some don't. It can be a make or break situation for the player.
 
Like this from Mickey. Obviously he has seen something in Shaheen which the arm chair critics havent seen sitting behind their keyboards. Also it will motivate Shaheen too that he just isnt in the top bracket in Pakistan rather have the the potential to be the world's best.

I know if Shaheen couldnt acheive big things in future critics will bump this thread and score points but for me what Mickey said is thousand times better than parroting our cricket is finished and bashing it all the freaking time. Why do such people even follow Pak cricket if they dont have any hope?

Its just not Mickey has seen something in Shaheen. We all have. Hes the TOP emerging fast bowler in cricket currently. Its no secret. However, maybe every one including me is annoyed due to Mickey's comment bigging up the likes of Faheem that is they are calling for caution.
 
I think Mickey is not unrealistic here,

When was the last time Pakistan team was blessed with a 6-5 tall, 18 year old , well built, 140 K plus fast bowler. He is a smart bowler and quick learner too.
 
Its just not Mickey has seen something in Shaheen. We all have. Hes the TOP emerging fast bowler in cricket currently. Its no secret. However, maybe every one including me is annoyed due to Mickey's comment bigging up the likes of Faheem that is they are calling for caution.

What did he say about Faheem?
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mickey Arthur on radio commentary "I'm really excited to watch Shaheen and Hasnain progress. Hopefully one day they'll be the new Wasim Akram-Waqar Younis combination" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1122112071578132481?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 27, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Looks like Nasser Hussain is also a fan of this combo:

PakPassion.net: Are you looking forward to watching Pakistan's teenage pace duo of Mohammad Hasnain and Shaheen Shah Afridi?

Nasser Hussain: Absolutely. This is what Pakistan have always done from when Imran Khan picked Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis all those years ago. Pakistan always produces these players and the moment they play it's like wow these lads have got something about them. This is what Pakistan do, they play them, they pick them, and they give them a chance. It doesn't matter how old they are, it's all about whether they are good enough. They don't worry about their age or their lack of experience, they pick them and play them and as Michael Holding always says, facing pace does funny things to any batsman. If you have a bit of pace coming at you, you can do some silly things as a batsman. If you can clock 90mph as Mohammad Hasnain and Shaheen Shah Afridi can then that is the sort of wicket-taking potential that will win this World Cup.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...ned-with-at-the-World-Cup-quot-Nasser-Hussain
 
Shaheen is very talented so that might happen, but there is a possibility of Shaheen not being even close to number 1 ranking in 3 years time.
I don't understand why Arthur keeps coming up with stupid statements? right now its important that Shaheen and other do well in WC and don't get injured, no one really cares as to who will be number one fast bowler after 3 years.
 
They are young and long way to go....but definately have the ingradients and potential...and micky is a trained eye when it comes to recognizing such youngsters.....wow...as an indian i always envy the pace bowling stocks that pak have got....(I wish we in india had the same)also read about the other young guy Nasiem Shah, the future appears bright for pak pace bowling
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Superb yorker by Shaheen Shah Afridi versus Leicestershire (video courtesy Leics CCC) <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LEIvPAK?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LEIvPAK</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://t.co/nYWYpqyY02">pic.twitter.com/nYWYpqyY02</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1123896011548700672?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 2, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Superb yorker by Shaheen Shah Afridi versus Leicestershire (video courtesy Leics CCC) <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LEIvPAK?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LEIvPAK</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://t.co/nYWYpqyY02">pic.twitter.com/nYWYpqyY02</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1123896011548700672?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 2, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Best young bowler in the world currently since last year!
 
Mickey’s curse appears to have reared its ugly head again.

Shaheen has been the big disappointment so far. Pace, movement, accuracy, mentality - everything is in tatters.

I wonder if he has gone the Hasan way (I hope not) or is he playing through an injury. Either way, he is half the bowler he was only a few months back.
 
I was going to make a separate thread on this, but I feel like it needs to be said here at least.

This guy is just not cut for international level. I'm not even talking about his bowling, his field is absolutely atrocious. Sunday village cricketers are better fielders and catchers of a cricket ball than this guy. You cannot afford to have people like him in the team who will cost you matches.
 
I was going to make a separate thread on this, but I feel like it needs to be said here at least.

This guy is just not cut for international level. I'm not even talking about his bowling, his field is absolutely atrocious. Sunday village cricketers are better fielders and catchers of a cricket ball than this guy. You cannot afford to have people like him in the team who will cost you matches.

His fielding skills have not developed at all. Until 2015, he was playing tape ball cricket in his village and three years later, he was playing international cricket.

There is a world of difference between fielding against tape ball in gully cricket and fielding against hard ball in proper cricket, and his lack of experience and exposure is clearly showing.

However, he is very young and if he works hard he can improve very quickly. I wouldn’t worry about his fielding too much, but his dip in bowling is alarming. Mickey, Sarfraz and Azhar must dig deep and try to understand what has gone wrong in such a short period of time.
 
Fielding is a skill you can only improve on so much. Catching a cricket ball is basics. If you struggle with that, I don't think much can be done tbh.

It's regards to his bowling, I totally agree. His pace has considerably dropped. Bowling 140's at the world cup to 130 is alarming + the lack of bounce and swing he's getting.

Very concerning .
 
Mickey’s curse appears to have reared its ugly head again.

Shaheen has been the big disappointment so far. Pace, movement, accuracy, mentality - everything is in tatters.

I wonder if he has gone the Hasan way (I hope not) or is he playing through an injury. Either way, he is half the bowler he was only a few months back.

Mickey should stop with these statements. Unnecessary and players actually play worse after.
 
We were told when he comes back in the team Pakistan would defend 280+ 8 out of 10 times.
 
Its not his fault. He was hyped too much by Mickey. He still has a long way to go before he is a finished product.

Plus, these flat pitches and small grounds don't help things. You need to have a lot of control and variation on these pitches which Shaheen currently lacks.

I saw Woakes bowling today and he bowled at least 3 different type of slower balls. That's what is required on these of pitches.
 
Its not his fault. He was hyped too much by Mickey. He still has a long way to go before he is a finished product.

Plus, these flat pitches and small grounds don't help things. You need to have a lot of control and variation on these pitches which Shaheen currently lacks.

I saw Woakes bowling today and he bowled at least 3 different type of slower balls. That's what is required on these of pitches.

The quality of batsmen the Pakistani bowlers have to bowl too, they will not see them in domestic cricket or in the nets, they get shell shocked 9 times out ten when under assault
 
Its not his fault. He was hyped too much by Mickey. He still has a long way to go before he is a finished product.

Plus, these flat pitches and small grounds don't help things. You need to have a lot of control and variation on these pitches which Shaheen currently lacks.

I saw Woakes bowling today and he bowled at least 3 different type of slower balls. That's what is required on these of pitches.
So he was hyped just mickey and not PP fans? :))
 
I agree first of all he is hyped beyond a doubt. Secondly if you have bowling coach like AM than. We call it as sone pe suhaga. I don't know about other since AM has become coach our bowler is bowling length balls instead of fuller where ball has maximum chance to get wicket. It's a defensive ploy than attack. With this length at the most you will have LBW chance very rarely you will have bowled because batsman has chance to get behind the bowl.
 
Typical knee-jerk reactions. He clearly faultered under pressure but thats to be expected. Particularly on such a flat surface with shorter boundaries then NBP Stadium. I think bashings like this are good for Shaheen, its a real test of his mantle, to improve himself, he needs to understand how to respond when he's under the pump.

I will still say, give him a conducive wicket with some cloud cover, where he can use his height, some zip, some bounce - he will have England top 4 out of the way in his first spell, then we'll find PP opinion swing back to how Shaheen is still the future of Pak bowling.
 
Typical knee-jerk reactions. He clearly faultered under pressure but thats to be expected. Particularly on such a flat surface with shorter boundaries then NBP Stadium. I think bashings like this are good for Shaheen, its a real test of his mantle, to improve himself, he needs to understand how to respond when he's under the pump.

I will still say, give him a conducive wicket with some cloud cover, where he can use his height, some zip, some bounce - he will have England top 4 out of the way in his first spell, then we'll find PP opinion swing back to how Shaheen is still the future of Pak bowling.

PPers are too volatile tbh. They sway from a negative to positive view and positive to negative view just coz of one match.
 
To be honest, i haven't been all that impressed with Shaheen Afridi. He hasn't improved, he doesn't swing or seam the ball, he doesn't make good use of his height.
 
Inexperience.
He has the quality to become world class.he has bowled first time to explosive batting lineup on flat track. He will come good by time
 
Not even 3 weeks and arm chair critics have started scoring points already - guys wait for a year at least, that kid is still learning his traits the tough way at the hands of best batting lineup in world.

However, difference between Arthur and arm chair critics behind key board is that these critics follow PAK cricket for passion and wish the team to do well.... while, Arthur is responsible to delivery that in a highly paid job ..... obviously, those critics that can realise what he is trying to achieve through his “predictions”, definitely will come back to score some points time & again.

Those who have the intelligence should realise that, points are not scored against Shaheen (or Babar or Shadab or Fakhar or Hasnain or Asif or Imam) - points are scored against someone constantly using distractions to shift focus on PCT, that is going to WC with a 4-18 W/L records against World Cup opponents in last 18-19 months.

Hope is that keeps fans following a team even in hard times - bluffing just make them heart broken & more desperate, they’ll keep scoring points.
 
His fielding skills have not developed at all. Until 2015, he was playing tape ball cricket in his village and three years later, he was playing international cricket.

There is a world of difference between fielding against tape ball in gully cricket and fielding against hard ball in proper cricket, and his lack of experience and exposure is clearly showing.

However, he is very young and if he works hard he can improve very quickly. I wouldn’t worry about his fielding too much, but his dip in bowling is alarming. Mickey, Sarfraz and Azhar must dig deep and try to understand what has gone wrong in such a short period of time.

Give the kid a break. Name any other bowler that played and didn’t get smacked all around at 8 an over. This pitch was the proper definition of a phatta. Their was no mercy at all for the bowlers. How often do we see imam and haris score as quickly as they did in this match.

Hopefully, the next match has atleast something in it for the bowlers. We might see Shaheen rip through the English top order then and a lot of PP posters will be served humble pies.
 
Good lord, 18 year old kid has two bad games and the knives are out already. :facepalm:
 
Shaheen is a promising 19yr old bowler.

But he is again a victim of Mickey Arthur's outlandish claims. Arthur knows how to play to the fan galleries. I hope pakistan replace him with a competent coach after the WC.
 
Shaheen will still be a top bowler regardless of his statements, though in 3 years time Mickey will destroy most players career and will be booted out being nowhere our team.
 
Give the kid a break. Name any other bowler that played and didn’t get smacked all around at 8 an over. This pitch was the proper definition of a phatta. Their was no mercy at all for the bowlers. How often do we see imam and haris score as quickly as they did in this match.

Hopefully, the next match has atleast something in it for the bowlers. We might see Shaheen rip through the English top order then and a lot of PP posters will be served humble pies.

The biggest issue is his alarming drop in pace, and there must be some underlying reason for it. He is considerably slower now than he was back in 2018 when he first emerged. If he continues to bowl at 82-83, he will not fulfill his obvious potential.
 
The biggest issue is his alarming drop in pace, and there must be some underlying reason for it. He is considerably slower now than he was back in 2018 when he first emerged. If he continues to bowl at 82-83, he will not fulfill his obvious potential.

May well be Azhar Mahmood's doing because none of our pacers have performed under him after they announce themselves over the initial period.
 
Think he might be knackered, bowled a lot since breakthrough in PSL 2018.

Also, given Hasnayn's inclusion, is more expected of Shaheen other than what should be?

Shaheen is young/fast, just needs to go out there and bowl his heart out without expectation and just learn. He is still very new to top level cricket, which in itself has levels.
 
He bowls short, wide with no aggression at all. A long way to go for him. With his height he should be looking to intimidate batsmen by bowling fast
 
I never thought he has any similarities with Wasim. Amir in 2010 was comparable to Wasim because of the amount of swing and pace he was getting. SSA just because he is a left handed doesn't mean can be compared to Wasim. He is a left handed Glen McGrath if he works on his line and length and tries to emulate McGrath he will do well.

Not everyone can be Wasim he was a rare talent, let SSA emulate to be McGrath and focus on line, length and seam position. With his height he can be a poor man's McGrath which would be a good achievement.
 
The biggest issue is his alarming drop in pace, and there must be some underlying reason for it. He is considerably slower now than he was back in 2018 when he first emerged. If he continues to bowl at 82-83, he will not fulfill his obvious potential.

You are right about his pace. It has dropped alarmingly. Amir’s career has gone downhill mainly because of his loss of pace and zip. We wouldn’t want the same with Shaheen. After being rested for the Aus series, I was expecting Shaheen to be bowling close to 90 mph and be fired up.
 
Absolute gem and if he keeps his head screwed on (and PCB don't bowl him into the ground), will become one of Pakistan's ATG cricketers.

After years of seeing toothless new ball bowling, it's so refreshing seeing Shaheen consistently taking wickets upfront.
 
He should work on low dipping and late moving full toss like the one he bowled today but slightly more high full toss , because batsmen full concentration will be on his very full deliveries or inswinging yorkers and will be surprised by the waist length moving delivery, he got Finch and Head this way and he should be working on it permanently instead of fluking it out by mistake instead of a Yorker.
Shorter format is evolving and everything is changes , even a full toss which is considered a hit me delivery can be a wicket taking delivery as well and if you have noticed the length Shaheen bowl is most of the time on the slot length which is again very hittable length but that late movement makes the length so much difficult and so will be the full toss as well.
 
If you remember Shoaib at the end of his career developed a low dipping slower full toss ish bowl and was very successful with it. I hope Shaheen has an intelligence to learn and evolve as a bowler , Mathew wade doesn't think so though.
 
ODI team with Harris and Shaheen bowling with new ball looked so much better. Hasan Ali was just not threatening and you need both sides to attack when the ball is new or reversing. Now I am eager to see Harris, Shaheen, and Naseem playing together. That would be some bowling attack.
 
Shaheen Haris and Naseem trio backed by an inform (hopefully) Shadab would be wonderful
 
He's bowling really well in these ODI's. Good bowler to watch.
 
Shaheen is a treat to watch. The man always tries to get wickets.

Great thing about him is the continuous improvement!

Masha'Allah!
 
Still gutted how Rambo Raja cut his legs with the pitches in tests he was Pak biggest weapon and they totally nullified him in their effort to nullify Aus pacers.
 
Steady progress in all formats, but by making dead pitches at home they are totally nullifying the damage he can do.
 
Still gutted how Rambo Raja cut his legs with the pitches in tests he was Pak biggest weapon and they totally nullified him in their effort to nullify Aus pacers.

Steady progress in all formats, but by making dead pitches at home they are totally nullifying the damage he can do.

They wanted to play home all these years and then produce UAE pitches lol
 
They wanted to play home all these years and then produce UAE pitches lol

Such a pity as Shaheen would have been a handful on decent surfaces instead of the roads they prepared.
 
On his 22nd birthday Shaheen Shah Afridi has reached 200 international wickets:

Tests - 95 wickets in 24 matches at an average of 25.08

ODIs - 59 wickets in 30 matches. Average of 23.86, economy-rate of 5.53

T20Is - 47 wickets. Average of 24.31, economy-rate of 7.75
 
As far as left arm pacers are concerned in red ball he’s getting closer to Boult & in white ball he has overtaken Starc
 
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