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"In Pakistan, the superstars are mostly bowlers" : Sanjay Manjrekar

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Despite exemplary performances by bowlers of late, former batsman Sanjay Manjrekar says the Indian team still needs a bowling superstar who can inspire the upcoming crop of players in the country.

“In India, as a country we are a little more obsessed with batting. That is not the case with Pakistan, for example. In Pakistan, the superstars are mostly bowlers, starting from Imran Khan, Wasim Akram to Waqar Younis. So, clearly, their bowling heroes are revered more. It just so happened that India has somehow produced greatness in sport through batsmanship and not so much from bowling; this is more unique to India compared to the rest of the world,” Manjrekar said. He was speaking at the launch of sports columnist, Anindya Dutta’s book ‘Spell-binding Spells’.

“It’s up to the fans to start making heroes out of bowlers, and I think that is starting to happen now. We have game-changers that are bowlers; (Jasprit) Bumrah, Bhuvneshwar Kumar are winning Man-of-the-Match or Man-of-the-Series awards. That’s a nice trend, a different trend, but at the end of the day it’s the fans that have to embrace who their hero is,” he said.

The former Mumbai Ranji skipper said: “All India needs is one bowling superstar and it’s amazing the effect it will have on younger kids. You have can the best academies and infrastructure in the world, but youngsters get inspired by bowling and batting heroes.”

Maybe, India has found its bowling heroes. Umesh Yadav, Mohammed Shami, Bhuvneshwar and Bumrah are arguably India’s best group of quick bowlers ever.

Even in the Test against Sri Lanka in Kolkata, Indian pacers took all 10 wickets in a home Test innings. It was last achieved in 1986 by Kapil Dev, (current bowling coach) Bharat Arun and Chetan Sharma, also against Sri Lanka.

Former Mumbai Ranji batsman, Lalchand Rajput, said: “I always believe bowlers win you matches, you have got to take 20 wickets.”

Manjrekar praised leg-spinner Yuzvendra Chahal and the confidence displayed by the current crop of bowlers.

“What strikes me about Chahal’s bowling is, I’ve never seen a bowler in a T20 on a flat pitch have the courage to bowl right in the zone where the batsman will usually hit for a six, but he does that and backs himself. It’s amazing the kind of confidence the new generation has. They are not filled with self doubt like previous generations.”



http://www.hindustantimes.com/crick...g-superstar/story-xqnRSkob91Hq9lyHzCb2zH.html
 
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Still lot of respect for Pakistan bowlers in India it seems?
 
Still lot of respect for Pakistan bowlers in India it seems?
With all the improvement Indian bowlers have made, they won't win their country a tournament such as the Champions Trophy ever. Neither can Pakistani batsmen ever win us a tournament such as the likes of Sharma, Dhawan and Kohli can. It's just how it is.
 
Sarfraz sums up nicely
Batsmen win you matches whereas bowlers win you championships
 
With all the improvement Indian bowlers have made, they won't win their country a tournament such as the Champions Trophy ever. Neither can Pakistani batsmen ever win us a tournament such as the likes of Sharma, Dhawan and Kohli can. It's just how it is.

Bowlers won 2013 champions trophy final for India. Ravindra Jadeja averaged 12 in that tournament with ball and Ishant Sharma averaged 21.

India had 3 in top 6 wickets taker in that tournament. They restricted WI for 233-9, dismissed Pakistan for 165, and SL 181-8 in 50 overs.

If anything it was bowling dominant performance from India. They defended 129 in final.

SA match was only where they conceded 300+. How can this be considered a tournament not won by Indian bowlers?
 
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Bowlers won 2013 champions trophy final for India. Ravindra Jadeja averaged 12 in that tournament with ball and Ishant Sharma averaged 21.

India had 3 in top 6 wickets taker in that tournament. They restricted WI for 233-9, dismissed Pakistan for 165, and SL 181-8 in 50 overs.

If anything it was bowling dominant performance from India. They defended 129 in final.

SA match was only where they conceded 300+. How can this be considered a tournament not won by Indian bowlers?
Apologies. Should have been more precise. I was talking about Indian pace bowlers, as was the topic of discussion in this thread. Only a fool would deny the quality of Indian spinners in recent times, who have single-handedly carried the Indian bowling attack, despite claims that the pace bowlers are now world-class etc etc.

Hasan Ali averaged 14.69, Junaid Khan averaged 19.37, while Muhammad Amir produced one of the ATG spells in LOI cricket in the final. Hope you get the point now.
 
With all the improvement Indian bowlers have made, they won't win their country a tournament such as the Champions Trophy ever. Neither can Pakistani batsmen ever win us a tournament such as the likes of Sharma, Dhawan and Kohli can. It's just how it is.


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Still lot of respect for Pakistan bowlers in India it seems?

MenIng bhai, why wouldn't anyone respect current Pakistani bowling line up? it is young and it has proven multiple time it can be very lethal.
 
Still lot of respect for Pakistan bowlers in India it seems?

Imran Khan, Wasim Akram, Waqar younis and Shoaib Akhtar are still loved and admired by Indians for their fierce bowling attack.

But I don't think Manjeraker mentioned any of the current Pakistani player....
 
Imran Khan, Wasim Akram, Waqar younis and Shoaib Akhtar are still loved and admired by Indians for their fierce bowling attack.

But I don't think Manjeraker mentioned any of the current Pakistani player....

current players will be mentioned if they at least get 100 plus wickets in any format.
 
Some Indians are having difficulting grasping we are now a world class side, not just a good bowling unit.

Babar Asam is a superstar and others perform at world class level.

Indians have Kohli and substandard bowlers and shows in their performances.
 
Imran Khan, Wasim Akram, Waqar younis and Shoaib Akhtar are still loved and admired by Indians for their fierce bowling attack.

But I don't think Manjeraker mentioned any of the current Pakistani player....

Yes he didnt mention but think in a couple of years he will mention Hasan Ali also...
 
Cricket is still a middle class-upper middle class game in India and you need rough n tough boys from Pinds to be good fast bowlers.You can see that in Wrestling which has great history in both Pakistan and India and 100% of them from rural areas.India sends our second string to South Asian Games and still they smoke everybody else.
BCCI needs to open full-fledged residential bowling academies(Not like glorified 6 month bowling camp called MRF foundation) and scout kids from rural areas just like how other sports do.
 
Thats why we have Babar Azam and many more before him.

Which PAK batsman legitimately can be spoken of in the same regard as Imran Khan/Wasim Akram/Waqar Younis?

Miandad might be the only one.

Manjrekar isn't talking about regular stars such as Inzi, Yousuf, Abbas, Younus. These guys aren't even in the same world when compared to PAK's bowling superstars and their impact..
 
Some Indians are having difficulting grasping we are now a world class side, not just a good bowling unit.

Babar Asam is a superstar and others perform at world class level.

Indians have Kohli and substandard bowlers and shows in their performances.

Then why did you get whitewashed by SL in your last Test series at home, the same side + Angelo Mathews that India whitewashed in their previous series that too at their home?

BTW, Mr. Superstar scored 28, 3, 8, 0 in that series at an average of 9.75
 
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Some Indians are having difficulting grasping we are now a world class side, not just a good bowling unit.

Babar Asam is a superstar and others perform at world class level.

Indians have Kohli and substandard bowlers and shows in their performances.

Superstar? seriously? Mate! I agree that he's a good bastman. But you gotta keep a check on overhyping him. Let him first win you a match with his performance outside UAE by chasing big totals.
 
Then why did you get whitewashed by SL in your last Test series at home, the same side + Angelo Mathews that India whitewashed in their previous series that too at their home?

BTW, Mr. Superstar scored 28, 3, 8, 0 in that series at an average of 9.75

He was referring to ODIs + LOIs obviously. The test side is minnow standard and worst in Asia.
 
Superstar? seriously? Mate! I agree that he's a good bastman. But you gotta keep a check on overhyping him. Let him first win you a match with his performance outside UAE by chasing big totals.

58 average with 7 centuries at 85SR at 23 years of age. He is a ICC ODI tournament winner.

He is a superstar. He is in same leage as De Cock, Amla, Smith, Kohli etc
 
Not true - it only tells that SM hasn't followed PAK cricket in last few years.
 
Well it is true but only till 1991 we had great batsmen like Majid,Hanif,Z Abbas,Miandad and Anwer.

Idk why after that we never produced an ATG batsman

After that till 2015 Inzi was the only quality batsman but I would not call him an ATG.

Yousuf and Younis were one format bullies
Youdiuf never played that much in ODIs

Babar and Haris have huge potential so does Fakhar...
 
PAK's biggest superstar along with Imran, Akram, Waquar is Mohammad Hafeez - any one can cross check with history.

In this modern era, he is among very few batsmen who are certain starter for 3 formats, has been given Cat A contract for the longest time, has led PAK in WC, bats as opener in Test, opened with both bat & ball in LO, stands at 1st slip despite the worst conversion rate in history, fields at cover or point - never seen him fielding out side circle, given opportunity to pick his batting spot or role to justify his selection in XI, been caught for cheating 2 times (I give 1st one as BoD) - still now PCB is going to spend big on him at this age so that he can serve PAK till 2023 WC, may be 2027.

I history, I can recall only 3 other cricketers enjoying such status from their country - DG Bradman, SG Sobers & SR Tendulkar. Hanif, Javed, Zaheer, Inzi or Anwar didn't enjoy this status, neither Qadir, Saq or Fazal Mahmood, so obviously Manji isn't correct here.
 
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Manjrekar stating the obvious here. Pakistan always have been a nation with fantastic pace bowlers. Things have been little quiet over the last few years but again now they have Hasan Ali.
 
I dunno what he is talking about. Pakistan's biggest superstar is neither a batsman nor a bowler; Afridi
 
PAK's biggest superstar along with Imran, Akram, Waquar is Mohammad Hafeez - any one can cross check with history.

In this modern era, he is among very few batsmen who are certain starter for 3 formats, has been given Cat A contract for the longest time, has led PAK in WC, bats as opener in Test, opened with both bat & ball in LO, stands at 1st slip despite the worst conversion rate in history, fields at cover or point - never seen him fielding out side circle, given opportunity to pick his batting spot or role to justify his selection in XI, been caught for cheating 2 times (I give 1st one as BoD) - still now PCB is going to spend big on him at this age so that he can serve PAK till 2023 WC, may be 2027.

I history, I can recall only 3 other cricketers enjoying such status from their country - DG Bradman, SG Sobers & SR Tendulkar. Hanif, Javed, Zaheer, Inzi or Anwar didn't enjoy this status, neither Qadir, Saq or Fazal Mahmood, so obviously Manji isn't correct here.

Is he a superstar in the sense of popularity though?
 
58 average with 7 centuries at 85SR at 23 years of age. He is a ICC ODI tournament winner.

He is a superstar. He is in same leage as De Cock, Amla, Smith, Kohli etc

Leagues of Kohli and De Kock? What are you smoking mate? I don't disagree that he's the run machine for pakistan at the moment. But your overhyping him to the moon is truly preposterous. Are you referring to CT ? He hasn't scored a single half century in that tournamant and the credit in the finals goes to your fabulous bowling unit. Even without his 46 in the finals, Pak was on a safer side. So! No! He ain't the reason for your CT win. I have enormous respect for Babar as a batsman, but has a long long way to go to even compare him with Amla who's not in the even same lines of De Cock and Kohli. Let him first win you a single ODI match by chasing a big Total, later we can talk about who's a Superstar!
 
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No doubt, and now crop of tall bowlers are coming :))
Well, i think we are producing good batsmen now.
 
Leagues of Kohli and De Kock? What are you smoking mate? I don't disagree that he's the run machine for pakistan at the moment. But your overhyping him to the moon is truly preposterous. Are you referring to CT ? He hasn't scored a single half century in that tournamant and the credit in the finals goes to your fabulous bowling unit. Even without his 46 in the finals, Pak was on a safer side. So! No! He ain't the reason for your CT win. I have enormous respect for Babar as a batsman, but has a long long way to go to even compare him with Amla who's not in the even same lines of De Cock and Kohli. Let him first win you a single ODI match by chasing a big Total, later we can talk about who's a Superstar!

He is already better than Root and is matching Kohli,Smith,De Cock. Its time you faced reality. He is an elite grade ODI player.

Just because Pakistan batters are not fashionable with cricinfo Indian staff doesn't mean he is not elite.
 
He is already better than Root and is matching Kohli,Smith,De Cock. Its time you faced reality. He is an elite grade ODI player.

Just because Pakistan batters are not fashionable with cricinfo Indian staff doesn't mean he is not elite.

Kohli scored 258 runs at an average of 129 while Babar scored 133 at an average of 44 in the CT.

Unless you're talking just in the UAE or against WI.
 
Imran Khan, Wasim Akram, Waqar younis and Shoaib Akhtar are still loved and admired by Indians for their fierce bowling attack.

But I don't think Manjeraker mentioned any of the current Pakistani player....

There is still lot of respect for Amir in India, every Indian I know, they druel over likes of Amir and Hasan...Efen Indian pundits have acknowledged that from time to time...Its just that we don’t play enough with you to see that on consistent basis.

Now Pakistan pace attack is in right direction, it is also starting to inspire next gen ;-)
 
Great performance. Could have been in top five run-getters had he played in the first game. Not the reason we won the tournament though.

We were never going to pass 300 without his knock in CT final. We were on our way to have a usual post-wicket collapse.
 
To be honest, at the end of the day, its the batsmen who win you tourneys not bowlers.

Pakistan won ct because of the batsmen. I dia won wc because of their batsmen. The reason why india is a top ranked cricketing team is because of its batsmen. India had not so good bowlers yet they won tournamnets.
 
Great performance. Could have been in top five run-getters had he played in the first game. Not the reason we won the tournament though.

50% of the reason. Nobody can win you games singlehandedly. Fakhar consistently set the tone at the top during the tournament, which played a huge part in the win
 
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