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In stern warning to Pakistan, Gen Rawat says ‘India capable of handling two-front threat’

Amid rising tensions with China in the Ladakh sector after provocative Chinese actions on the southern bank of Pangong Tso and India’s counter-manoeuvres to occupy key heights, chief of defence staff (CDS) General Bipin Rawat on Thursday said Pakistan could try to take advantage of any threat developing along India’s northern borders but warned that the Pakistani army would suffer heavy losses if it attempted any misadventure.

Speaking at a seminar organised by the United States-India Strategic Partnership Forum on ‘Navigating New Challenges’, Rawat highlighted the threat of “coordinated action” by the militaries of China and Pakistan along the northern and western borders and stressed that the Indian armed forces were capable of handling the joint threat.

The CDS said India’s military strategy to deal with a twin challenge would be based on identifying a primary and a secondary front for conducting operations.

His comments came on a day when Indian Army chief General Manoj Mukund Naravane reached Leh for a two-day security review of the Ladakh sector where India and China armies have deployed almost 100,000 soldiers and weaponry in their forward and depth areas.



The Indian Army has rejigged its deployments at multiple points along the Line of Actual Control (LAC) in eastern Ladakh, including the northern bank of Pangong Lake, to prevent the Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA) from making aggressive manoeuvres to unilaterally alter the status quo in the contested areas.

Tensions flared in the sensitive sector after the Indian Army occupied key heights on the southern bank of Pangong Lake five days ago to stop the PLA from grabbing Indian territory in a stealthy midnight move.

Brigade commander-ranked officers from the two sides met for the fourth time in Chushul on Thursday to de-escalate tensions but the talks were inconclusive with neither army prepared to make concessions.

On Wednesday, Indian Air Force chief Air Chief Marshal RKS Bhadauria visited frontline bases under the Shillong-based Eastern Air Command to review the air force’s operational readiness in the eastern sector.

India has strengthened its military posture across the length of the LAC -- from Ladakh to Uttarakhand, Sikkim and Arunachal Pradesh - to deal with any provocation by the Chinese military.

India is also keeping a strict vigil on the western front to deter Pakistan from fishing in troubled waters and prevent what could turn out to be a two-front conflict.

Experts said collusive action by China and Pakistan was a possibility. “While hostility with Pakistan is out in the open, we are now witnessing military coercion by China in the Ladakh sector. It’s not out of the realm of possibility that they could collude militarily. They already have strategic collusion,” said Lieutenant General DS Hooda (retd), a former Northern Army commander.

Reports prepared by the parliamentary standing committee on defence over the last decade have delved into the threat China and Pakistan could pose together. Pakistan was likely to step up hostilities if China were to launch offensive operations against India, a senior military officer told the committee in 2014. He, however, stressed that China might not pose a collusive threat if hostilities were to break out between India and Pakistan.

In his Independence Day speech, Prime Minister Narendra Modi said India’s sovereignty was supreme and if anyone threatened it — from the Line of Control (LoC) to the LAC — the armed forces would respond to them “in the same language”.

Rawat said India has border management protocols with China to promote peace and tranquillity along the border but of late there have been aggressive actions by China that the Indian military is fully capable of handling. He said India was keeping track of the infrastructure development by China in the Tibet Autonomous Region and its implications were being considered while devising military strategy.

The CDS referred to the Quad as a good arrangement to ensure complete freedom of navigation on the high seas and overflight, and unimpeded commerce. China has also been wary of the Quadrilateral security dialogue or Quad that was revived in late 2017 by India, the US, Australia and Japan, and these suspicions have increased since the four countries upgraded the forum to the ministerial level last year.

Rawat said India and the US could soon finalise the Basic Exchange and Cooperation Agreement (BECA) for sharing geospatial intelligence. He said India was seeking collaboration with the US to acquire high-end technologies in areas such as aerospace, space and artificial intelligence.

He added there was tremendous scope for investments in India with the foreign direct investment limit raised to 74 percent.

Source: https://m.hindustantimes.com/india-...-threat/story-3coZHLxAyMnnd3rdPHz2QO_amp.html
 
Strange they act as if they're the strongest power in the world yet they can't take back land they claim Pakistan is occupying illegally. And they just lost land to China and just begged from them to leave
 
I think India will be in trouble if China and Pakistan attack together. It can get messy.
 
Strange they act as if they're the strongest power in the world yet they can't take back land they claim Pakistan is occupying illegally. And they just lost land to China and just begged from them to leave

Not to forget their 'powerful' army was holding placards requesting the Chinese "please go back" :misbah
 
Not to forget their 'powerful' army was holding placards requesting the Chinese "please go back" :misbah

If we hold banners then we are begging, if we engage to protect the borders then we are lapdogs of America :jaya
 
That was incorrect and from an year ago.

Indo-China border dispute has been since a long time. Not just in Ladakh. Even if that was from an year ago, if chinese think that India is in their areas, were they afraid at that time?

My point is these things keep happening. May be its not relevant to placards but one example is- Despite all the enemity, India Pakistan keep doing the wagha border drama.

Yesterday i was reading a comment from some poster i forgot. If SL, BD sides with China they are in China's corner but India is US's lapdog. LOL.
 
Pakistan aren't attacking India any time soon no matter how much China eggs them on. Way too many factors going against them.

Don't think Bajwa and co are that stupid. :)
 
there is no way a country like India can withhold a attack from 2 different directions at same time irrespective of brave face put up by Indian army. But the ramifications of such an event happening will be catastrophic for China or Pakistan.
 
Indian economic disaster might push China to take advantage of the situation. This is the best position that China and Pakistan will ever find themselves in. If there ever was a time to act, it is now. In case the conflict escalates, India will have to choose between land and their poor dying of starvation.
 
Indian economic disaster might push China to take advantage of the situation. This is the best position that China and Pakistan will ever find themselves in. If there ever was a time to act, it is now. In case the conflict escalates, India will have to choose between land and their poor dying of starvation.

What exactly do you think Pak and China can do? Don’t forget India was even poorer before and still fought the wars.
 
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cant handle Pakistan alone so what the hell they gonna do when China also attack them. :))):))):)))
 
What exactly do you think Pak and China can do? Don’t forget India was even poorer before and still fought the wars.

Separately.

Realistically speaking, I don't think wars will be breaking out. Times have changed. Will have the occasional mini battles but not full fledged wars. Only the US, being the lone super-power, can go to war and that too against minor nations that don't have the ability to resist.
 
Separately.

Realistically speaking, I don't think wars will be breaking out. Times have changed. Will have the occasional mini battles but not full fledged wars. Only the US, being the lone super-power, can go to war and that too against minor nations that don't have the ability to resist.

Yeah. I don't think full-fledged war will happen. All sides lose out if a real war breaks out.

Also, these are testing times due to COVID-19.
 
Pakistan aren't attacking India any time soon no matter how much China eggs them on. Way too many factors going against them.

Don't think Bajwa and co are that stupid. :)

Nothing to do with stupidity, Pakistan has no reason to fight with India, the only dispute with them has always been Kashmir. China's beef with India is their business, nothing to do with Pakistan.
 
Pakistan aren't attacking India any time soon no matter how much China eggs them on. Way too many factors going against them.

Don't think Bajwa and co are that stupid. :)

It would depend. If there is a full blown war, and China is on the brink of defeating India, Pakistan at point could join the war to make one more attempt at the valley. And threaten India that if they take the war outside of Jammu Kashmir, that nukes are an option.
 
I wonder what's stopping Pakistan. It looks like a great opportunity for them. They can settle the Kashmir once and forever. Why cold feet?

As I said above, it's not about cold feet, China's dispute with India has nothing to do with Kashmir. This type of craven chest beating hardly puts India in a good light. If you really want to prove Indian manhood then should propose a one on one hand to hand combat between Indian and Pakistan PM, Kashmir goes to the winner.
 
I wonder what's stopping Pakistan. It looks like a great opportunity for them. They can settle the Kashmir once and forever. Why cold feet?

China has not attacked as yet. If Pakistan attacked India in 1962 during the Indian China war, instead of in 1965, then they would have had a better chance to win. However its extremely unlikely that there would be a full blown war between India and China.
 
Nothing to do with stupidity, Pakistan has no reason to fight with India, the only dispute with them has always been Kashmir. China's beef with India is their business, nothing to do with Pakistan.

That's pretty much what I meant. Bajwa and co aren't that stupid to fight China's war.
 
It would depend. If there is a full blown war, and China is on the brink of defeating India, Pakistan at point could join the war to make one more attempt at the valley. And threaten India that if they take the war outside of Jammu Kashmir, that nukes are an option.


Not happening in our lifetime.
 
Not happening in our lifetime.

I agree it wont happen, but not for the same reason as u. I dont think there is any chance of a full blown war between India and China. And outside of that there is no chance of Pakistan attacking India.

However if that unlikely event did happen, and Pakistan was on the brink of defeat that could threaten the existence of Pakistan, then it depends on the leadership. If they are convinced that you get paradise after death, then they would have no fear of pulling the trigger. Most of the general public is convinced of that though.
 
That's pretty much what I meant. Bajwa and co aren't that stupid to fight China's war.

Honestly don't even know why Indian generals are talking about Pakistan when they are in an actual military conflict with China. Classic case of a bully looking for a smaller target if you ask me.
 
China never lifted a finger when Pakistan was battling India in 1965 and 1971 and 1999 (maybe some subtle support at best), so not sure why Pakistan will fight China's war when they have defied other pressures to not head to the likes of Yemen in recent years.
 
China never lifted a finger when Pakistan was battling India in 1965 and 1971 and 1999 (maybe some subtle support at best), so not sure why Pakistan will fight China's war when they have defied other pressures to not head to the likes of Yemen in recent years.

Lol. No sooner had I written this post and navigated back to the Time Pass forum did I see the newest bumped thread:

[VIDEO] Pakistan’s future is now linked to China: PM Imran Khan
 
Honestly don't even know why Indian generals are talking about Pakistan when they are in an actual military conflict with China. Classic case of a bully looking for a smaller target if you ask me.


The so called two front war has been in the discussion for quite a long time now. Even many Pakistani nationals believe this is the best time to start a war with India by partnering with China. There are many over here on PP too who share the same beliefs.

So not that surprising a statement.
 
China never lifted a finger when Pakistan was battling India in 1965 and 1971 and 1999 (maybe some subtle support at best), so not sure why Pakistan will fight China's war when they have defied other pressures to not head to the likes of Yemen in recent years.

Yes Pakistan owes nothing to China, and would not fight China's war. However if there was a full scare India China war, and China was on the brink of victory, then that would be the only realistic chance Pakistan would have of taking the valley.
 
Its not like Pakistan will be doing a service to China by attacking India during a possible India-China war. The dispute of Kashmir is a genuine issue that needs to be addressed. India has led no room for talk with its actions by removing the special status of Kashmir .In 1962 we didnt make matters worse for India by attacking occupied Kashmir because we were hopeful that America and other world powers will play their role in solving the dispute. But now the only solution to Kashmir dispute is an all out war while we are more close to china than we have ever been. Why shouldnt we take advantage?
 
Indian planners are deeply worried about the synergy that exists between PAF and PLAAF in any future conflict with India. PAF has been training extensively with PLAAF in the Shaheen series of exercises mainly in Hotan AB near Ladakh.

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Hotan is a major PLAAF AB near Ladakh hosting numerous aircrafts ranging from J-11s, J-8s, JH-7s, J-7s, Y-8s, UCAVs and a series of air defence systems. More than a hundred frontline aircraft are based here and increasing.

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Facing Indian AirBase of Leh from the West is Pakistans recently upgraded Qadri AirBase (Skardu). This AirBase with newly built infrastructure can house JF-17s, F-16s, Mirages and others at the time of need.

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INDIAN VULNERABILITY AT SIACHIN AND DBO

According to General HS Panag "The preemptive intrusions and concentration of troops at Depsang, Galwan river, Hot Springs-Gogra-Kongka La and north of Pangong Tso places India at a disadvantage in a war. The DBO Sector is likely to be completely isolated by an offensive in Galwan River valley and the bottleneck area at Burtse. " DBO is the staging HQ for the IA Siachin Brigade, if it falls so does Siachin.

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If all sides can put nukes to once side, there would be the Pakistani and Chinese flag hanging proudly over all the great Muslim buildings of Dehli.

Lets be frank, the people who claim to be Hindustanis have no history of real combat greatness. Pakistan contorls what India believes is its terrority, not the other way round

Indians are running to the Yanks right about now.
 
If all sides can put nukes to once side, there would be the Pakistani and Chinese flag hanging proudly over all the great Muslim buildings of Dehli.


Oh please don't club Pakistan with China in the same bracket just to feel better. There's a reason why Pakistan lost half their country at a time there were no nukes. You might as well add Somalia to China in that and it wouldn't make much of a difference.

Pakistan contorls what India believes is its terrority, not the other way round

I'm pretty sure it's the other way around too. But anyways......
 
It will actully be a 3 prolong attack, because china is so big they will attack from both kashmir and arunachul pradesh, once weakened, i dont see SL, BD and Nepal holding back, even bhutan might want to claim some territory, in the end civil war will tear india apart itself anyway.
 
It will actully be a 3 prolong attack, because china is so big they will attack from both kashmir and arunachul pradesh, once weakened, i dont see SL, BD and Nepal holding back, even bhutan might want to claim some territory, in the end civil war will tear india apart itself anyway.


:vk2

I appreciate the spirit and optimism. Honestly I do...
 
It will actully be a 3 prolong attack, because china is so big they will attack from both kashmir and arunachul pradesh, once weakened, i dont see SL, BD and Nepal holding back, even bhutan might want to claim some territory, in the end civil war will tear india apart itself anyway.

In the event of a war this is the most likely outcome...
 
Oh please don't club Pakistan with China in the same bracket just to feel better. There's a reason why Pakistan lost half their country at a time there were no nukes. You might as well add Somalia to China in that and it wouldn't make much of a difference.



I'm pretty sure it's the other way around too. But anyways......

India gained nothing, its Bangladesh not New India. According to India Pakistan occupies Kashmir, Pakistan is still seeing this as disputed territory. Stop reading RSS comic books.
 
Man only thing they are capable of are providing Paani wali daal to their soldiers and doing corruption with foreign military industrial complexes

They can only bully nepal,bangladesh, Kashmiris and Sri lanka but as soon as the big boys show up they play I run you catch
 
I think a war would lead to a break up of India and this is largely due to the orange chadi’s and the chai wala don..

I know this and I can say because I live in the Uk!!

Happy days
 
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I think a war would lead to a break up of India and this is largely due to the orange chadi’s and the chai wala don..

I know this and I can say because I live in the Uk!!

Happy days

1962 war couldn’t lead to breakup of India , why would it now?

I have said this multiple times , after every war India has learnt, learnt not to repeat several mistakes that we did , same after 2008.. we get better at our internal security.

If India is attacked its citizens will fight back irrespective of regional differences, so discussion should be based on reality not imagination.. no reasoning is given for its breakup.
 
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No worries, if that happens we will have to activate our cells in Afghanistan to attack y'all from behind. I trust the powerful afghan warlords and chiefs to overrun their neighbouring country given the poor track record of the Pak army's war capabilities.

You have already activated those cells from 2004 - so sorry to dissapoint you but those have been dismantled, USA is already leaving afgan, the war india has brought on all its neighbors is now coming to hit you back, and all those separatist movements in your own countries where minorities have been oppressed is going to give you guys a hard reality check, but it will be to late by then. Modi overestimated and though Trump is backing him, hes silent and now hes about to be out of office, Modi is now alone, and shivering in his office with no one backing him.
 
1962 war couldn’t lead to breakup of India , why would it now?

I have said this multiple times , after every war India has learnt, learnt not to repeat several mistakes that we did , same after 2008.. we get better at our internal security.

If India is attacked people will back it iirrespective of regional differences, so discussion should be based on reality not imagination.. no reasoning is given for its breakup.

because the Orange Chadi’s radical extreme right wing ideology will be the catalyst that breaks India into pieces.

That’s just my view.
 
because the Orange Chadi’s radical extreme right wing ideology will be the catalyst that breaks India into pieces.

That’s just my view.

Did Zia break Pakistan? Also irrespective of the govn the citizens will back its Defense in a war situation.
 
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Nothin wrong with that. Amongst all the Pak leaders in recent decades, Sharif has always come across as the man most eager for peaceful relations between the two countries.

Sharif and his clan were the mafia and their only interest was to promote their own businesses....

Indians love him because he was weak and only after looting the country. If anything he was more of an Indian asset....

Imran Khan offered his hand of friendship.
If you’re in doubt then YouTube his acceptance /election victory speech.
 
Did Zia break Pakistan? Also irrespective of the govn the citizens will back its Defense in a war situation.

Zia almost destroyed Pakistan.
Pakistani people and their strength from within is what allowed it to survive with a semblance of liberalism....

There are more Muslims in India then the entire population of Pakistan, add the desinfrenchised liberals and ethnic diversity and suddenly you can see a small road to its own destruction... of course nor of it possible without a war on at least two of its boarders
 
Zia almost destroyed Pakistan.
Pakistani people and their strength from within is what allowed it to survive with a semblance of liberalism....

There are more Muslims in India then the entire population of Pakistan, add the desinfrenchised liberals and ethnic diversity and suddenly you can see a small road to its own destruction... of course nor of it possible without a war on at least two of its boarders

Well this thread will remain.. we can bump it later to see what happened..
 
Well this thread will remain.. we can bump it later to see what happened..

Let’s hope it never comes to that.
Let’s hope sense prevails all around and India takes ones step towards reconciliation, if it does then we know IK will take two
 
What exactly do you think Pak and China can do? Don’t forget India was even poorer before and still fought the wars.

Anything could happen and nothing could happen. I understand that. But if something happens, a possibile scenario could be that they'll take the territory that they deem theirs. India did fight wars in the past when it was poorer, and lost territory it thought belongs to it. Dont you see which country's territory had been taken by other countries after those wars ended? Also, when you are poor (but with a relatively decent military budget like India had) land is the worst loss that can happen to you and hence you fight for it tooth and nail. Today India has greater things to lose than just a piece of land in which the locals already oppose them. In case of an escalated conflict, India can simply not sustain if it lasts for a while. The only option it'll have is using nukes and that's simply not going to happen because (a) India doesn't have the guts as you will also acknowledge and (b) before nuclear option is taken, world powers will intervene and effect a compromise (which could literally mean anything but nothing that favours India)

On a side note, you should look to secure your own interests. Dravidistaan could well become a reality because the Northern baggage that would remain will be too much for your region to handle. Make it a good country when it happens :))
 
Anything could happen and nothing could happen. I understand that. But if something happens, a possibile scenario could be that they'll take the territory that they deem theirs. India did fight wars in the past when it was poorer, and lost territory it thought belongs to it. Dont you see which country's territory had been taken by other countries after those wars ended? Also, when you are poor (but with a relatively decent military budget like India had) land is the worst loss that can happen to you and hence you fight for it tooth and nail. Today India has greater things to lose than just a piece of land in which the locals already oppose them. In case of an escalated conflict, India can simply not sustain if it lasts for a while. The only option it'll have is using nukes and that's simply not going to happen because (a) India doesn't have the guts as you will also acknowledge and (b) before nuclear option is taken, world powers will intervene and effect a compromise (which could literally mean anything but nothing that favours India)

On a side note, you should look to secure your own interests. Dravidistaan could well become a reality because the Northern baggage that would remain will be too much for your region to handle. Make it a good country when it happens :))

That logic should apply to China too then, if they go on war India has lesser to lose and they more.

And only China took land from us who else did with an actual war.

Naw we are good, Dravidians are part of the defense, many ready to protect the borders as already seen.
 
India should not worry about Pakistan.

We will start doing bhangra after capturing few Indian posts on LOC. Our whole military posture is based on defending our territory instead of gaining enemy's.
 
That logic should apply to China too then, if they go on war India has lesser to lose and they more.

And only China took land from us who else did with an actual war.

Naw we are good, Dravidians are part of the defense, many ready to protect the borders as already seen.


It's funny how this has suddenly become a "make a wish" thread for everyone here.

Dravidistaan :))

There's a bigger chance of Pakistan becoming China's province than all the pipe dreams here coming true :yk
 
That logic should apply to China too then, if they go on war India has lesser to lose and they more.

And only China took land from us who else did with an actual war.

Naw we are good, Dravidians are part of the defense, many ready to protect the borders as already seen.

Sure it applies to China too but India's galloping economic downfall has put China at a massive advantage in terms of sustaining through a war. China will hold its own while India will be decimated. Indians kind of know it and thats why they are losing fingers in Ladakh without taking any decisive action against China. Also, in case of conflict, India has to hold a territory where it faces resistance from a disgruntled local population. History tells us that empires have always tried to exploit the weaknesses of their neighbours. These factors might push China to encroach more and more land until it becomes difficult for India to not retaliate.

Pakistan also took land after that allegeged accession took place.

Well, Dravidians are kind people generally but it is changing too. Hatred cannot be contained no matter how much you try. It will permeate through. I know you know it even if you try to deny it.
 
Zia almost destroyed Pakistan.
Pakistani people and their strength from within is what allowed it to survive with a semblance of liberalism....

There are more Muslims in India then the entire population of Pakistan, add the desinfrenchised liberals and ethnic diversity and suddenly you can see a small road to its own destruction... of course nor of it possible without a war on at least two of its boarders

Modi cant take any such steps because he is a prisoner of the image he has created. His own people will chuck him into oblivion if he tries to go against the hindutva supremacy image that ge has created.
 
Sure it applies to China too but India's galloping economic downfall has put China at a massive advantage in terms of sustaining through a war. China will hold its own while India will be decimated. Indians kind of know it and thats why they are losing fingers in Ladakh without taking any decisive action against China. Also, in case of conflict, India has to hold a territory where it faces resistance from a disgruntled local population. History tells us that empires have always tried to exploit the weaknesses of their neighbours. These factors might push China to encroach more and more land until it becomes difficult for India to not retaliate.

Pakistan also took land after that allegeged accession took place

Well, Dravidians are kind people generally but it is changing too. Hatred cannot be contained no matter how much you try. It will permeate through. I know you know it even if you try to deny it.

Correction: before the accession took place.
 
That logic should apply to China too then, if they go on war India has lesser to lose and they more.

And only China took land from us who else did with an actual war.

Naw we are good, Dravidians are part of the defense, many ready to protect the borders as already seen.

First time hearing about 'Dravidistaan', the word 'stan' itself is alien to our people, its origin is foreign. Anyway these kind of fantasies will remain just that, fantasies. South's future, her ambitions are intrinsically tied with India's. We may not like the Hindutva politics, cultural hegemony of Hindi speaking bhaiyas, unchecked migration from Hindi belt etc but unity and sovereignty of India can never be up for debate.

I actually have sympathy for common Kashmiris, many wrongs/betrayals happened in 1947 from all sides and more mistakes accumulated since then, again not just from GOI side. I do think it needs a political solution keeping rights and choices of Kashmiris in mind, maybe practically difficult but who knows? India may find a Gorbachev one day who can find a solution to the liking of most people, a compromise even keeping larger interest in mind.

However no question about South following the separatist route, even though it may be tempting for some of our Pakistani friends. We will fight against Hindutva politics, strive for more federalism, social justice, pluralism, freedoms, vernacular languages, justice in terms of distribution of finance/projects (South being a major contributor to national exchequer) etc but that shouldn't be misconstrued as separatist mindset. For every disagreement, squabble we have so many shared similarities and interests with North/West/East India. Happens in all families. Whatever political map India has today, it is because of events leading up to 1947 and we have so many freedom fighters from South, we believed in and shared the ideas/vision of our founding fathers and we are here to stay for the long haul. Hate the current ruling party but won't give up on the nation.
 
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First time hearing about 'Dravidistaan', the word 'stan' itself is alien to our people, its origin is foreign. Anyway these kind of fantasies will remain just that, fantasies. South's future, her ambitions are intrinsically tied with India's. We may not like the Hindutva politics, cultural hegemony of Hindi speaking bhaiyas, unchecked migration from Hindi belt etc but unity and sovereignty of India can never be up for debate.

I actually have sympathy for common Kashmiris, many wrongs/betrayals happened in 1947 from all sides and more mistakes accumulated since then, again not just from GOI side. I do think it needs a political solution keeping rights and choices of Kashmiris in mind, maybe practically difficult but who knows? India may find a Gorbachev one day who can find a solution to the liking of most people, a compromise even keeping larger interest in mind.

However no question about South following the separatist route, even though it may be tempting for some of our Pakistani friends. We will fight against Hindutva politics, strive for more federalism, social justice, pluralism, freedoms, vernacular languages, justice in terms of distribution of finance/projects (South being a major contributor to national exchequer) etc but that shouldn't be misconstrued as separatist mindset. For every disagreement, squabble we have so many shared similarities and interests with North/West/East India. Happens in all families. Whatever political map India has today, it is because of events leading up to 1947 and we have so many freedom fighters from South, we believed in and shared the ideas/vision of our founding fathers and we are here to stay for the long haul. Hate the current ruling party but won't give up on the nation.

Yeah I think everyone underestimates South's patriotism here, its actually much more beneficial as they work on some many aspects from scientific(ISRO) to patriotic entertainment art wise.
Even patriotic movies(incl Indian Army) made in South actually earn much more than what the Hindi cinema movies earn(most Hindi ones flop), Roja was a tamil movie, even Holiday of Akshay kumar which did well was actually Vijay's movie.

Irrespective I do want more federalism but yeah I think they take the anger at the center as sign of breaking of the country...
 
It's funny how this has suddenly become a "make a wish" thread for everyone here.

Dravidistaan :))

There's a bigger chance of Pakistan becoming China's province than all the pipe dreams here coming true :yk

Have to agree with you there lol :misbah

Thomaskutty was saying how Afghan warlords of all people would "run over" Pakistan and create sidhudesh, Azad balochistan, khalistan (in Pak Punjab) and give "Kashmir" to India
 
No doubt China allied with Pakistan could rout India, but I don't think the west would let that happen. Indians have always been seen as happy to play second fiddle, and as such are seen as an asset to the more powerful western nations. China on the other hand is looking to unite the whole eastern bloc through trade links, and that poses a far greater threat to western dominance. India will be heavily supported by the US and others under the banner of democracy and freedom.
 
China on the other hand is looking to unite the whole eastern bloc through trade links, and that poses a far greater threat to western dominance. India will be heavily supported by the US and others under the banner of democracy and freedom.

True. Does that also mean as an uber patriot Brit who enjoys the western way of life, you will support India in case of a face off with China?
 
No doubt China allied with Pakistan could rout India, but I don't think the west would let that happen. Indians have always been seen as happy to play second fiddle, and as such are seen as an asset to the more powerful western nations. China on the other hand is looking to unite the whole eastern bloc through trade links, and that poses a far greater threat to western dominance. India will be heavily supported by the US and others under the banner of democracy and freedom.

What would the west do? the cracks between US and EU have already widen, thanks to trump. EU is already very pro-china. US would be alone standing with India, other then the meaningless states in ME, but what can US do to support india? pretty much nothing. Indians were already looking towards the white house to save them from chinese from the recent conflict and there savior never spoke, Theres not much he can over here.
 
True. Does that also mean as an uber patriot Brit who enjoys the western way of life, you will support India in case of a face off with China?

Yes of course. An officer will always provide logistical and tactical support to his troops on the frontline.
 
In case of an unprovoked attack by china against India it is the responsibility of the US and the wider western world to aid India because if they're not stopped there they'll definitely come for us (not millitarically) but in other ways

India should be the Poland like breaking point if China millitarically threaten them

But the idiotic indian generals would keep on "threatening" Pakistan that they'll invade Azad Kashmir (which they can't do of course)
 
Indian economic disaster might push China to take advantage of the situation. This is the best position that China and Pakistan will ever find themselves in. If there ever was a time to act, it is now. In case the conflict escalates, India will have to choose between land and their poor dying of starvation.

In addition to this, with the sort of changes they’re rushing through under the cover of the Covid lockdown, the most obvious being the demographic change that will be ushered in once the hundreds of thousands of Humsaaya Mulk types that have been issued residency permits come flooding in, very soon there may not be a Kashmir to save.

There’s a case to be made for striking while the iron is hot.
 
It didn’t take long for this thread to turn into a script writing contest for the next ISPR propaganda movie.

Also, it is not surprising to see that most of the creative scripts have come from British Pakistanis.
 
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It didn’t take long for this thread to turn into a script writing contest for the next ISPR propaganda movie.

Also, it is not surprising to see that most of the creative scripts have come from British Pakistanis.
Lol but don't forget the next Bollywood screen writers for Ajay devgan, Akshay Kumar movies giving us a sneak peak for their next project
 
Have to agree with you there lol :misbah

Thomaskutty was saying how Afghan warlords of all people would "run over" Pakistan and create sidhudesh, Azad balochistan, khalistan (in Pak Punjab) and give "Kashmir" to India


It has all become a *** slinging game at this point.

Nothing is going to happen/change on the ground.
 
It didn’t take long for this thread to turn into a script writing contest for the next ISPR propaganda movie.

Also, it is not surprising to see that most of the creative scripts have come from British Pakistanis.

We British have always been creative, as an avowed Anglophile surely you must appreciate this. Of course, we British are also sticklers for detail, so if you have a problem with anything being said by us, we would prefer if you were specific so we could address concerns directly.
 
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan registered a "strong protest" after summoning a senior Indian diplomat to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs for its continued unprovoked aggression at the Line of Control (LoC) on Sunday.

"A senior Indian diplomat was summoned to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs today to register Pakistan’s strong protest over ceasefire violations by the Indian occupation forces along the Line of Control (LoC) on 5th September 2020, resulting in serious injuries to one innocent civilian," said a statement issued by the Foreign Office (FO).

The FO noted that the Indian forces "have been continuously targeting civilian populated areas with artillery fire, heavy-caliber mortars and automatic weapons" along the LoC and the Working Boundary (WB). It added that in 2020, so far, India has committed 2,158 ceasefire violations which had martyred 17 and had left 168 civilians with serious injuries.

"Condemning the deplorable targeting of innocent civilians by the Indian occupation forces, it was underscored that such senseless acts are in clear violation of the 2003 Ceasefire Understanding, and are also against all established humanitarian norms and professional military conduct," said the FO.

The FO noted that the "egregious violations of international law" were part of India's "consistent attempts to escalate the situation along the LoC", adding that they were also a threat to regional peace and security.

The senior Indian diplomat was told that India — by raising tensions along the LoC and the WB — cannot divert the World's attention from the grave human rights situation in Indian occupied Kashmir (IoK).

The FO said that the Indian side was called upon to respect the 2003 ceasefire understanding. The Indian diplomat was also asked to investigate Saturday's and other such incidents of deliberate ceasefire violations and maintain peace along the LoC and WB.

"The Indian side was also urged to allow the United Nations Military Observer Group in India and Pakistan (UNMOGIP) to play its mandated role as per the United Nations Security Council (UNSC) Resolutions," said the statement.

On Saturday, 19-year-old Muhammad Tariq a resident of the Kirni Village in the Rakhchikri Sector of the LoC was "seriously injured" after the Indian forces resorted to indiscriminate and unprovoked firing along the LoC.

https://www.geo.tv/latest/306460-pa...o-register-strong-protest-over-loc-violations
 
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