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Ahson8 said:
Tell me one poster who said Malik was good enough to be second spinner ?
Anyway; Babar is done. A good bowler in his prime but he is finished now.
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Were you not here when all those threads about Malik being the second spinner were created? [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] was one such poster.
 
Mamoon said:
That is all Baba does these days. Bell was crapping his pants earlier on and his confidence was shattered due to the dropped catches, yet he failed to dismiss him. That summed up his performance today.
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Yep. Bell was terrible at the start . Looked scared to be honest. Memories :ajmal :rehman :hafeez :))
 
Regarding Malik-is-good-enough-to-be-second-spinner, let's clear the confusion:

Malik in isolation is not good enough, but our point is/was that on current form, Baba is only slightly better and we saw that today, not to mention his rubbish batting and fielding.

Malik brings much more all-round utility than Baba does with his pies, so if it comes down to Malik vs. Baba, it is an easy decision for me.
 
Mamoon said:
Regarding the Raza example - he was quality in 2012, but a serious spinal injury and drugs got the better of him, so it isn't really a relevant example.

Looks like people are satisfied with this useless baba. Good good, you deserve it.

Good evening. :zulfiqarb
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He was never a 4-5 day bowler. He was only a limited overs bowler, and was really a terrific bowler for limited overs.
 
Major said:
He was never a 4-5 day bowler. He was only a limited overs bowler, and was really a terrific bowler for limited overs.
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He did look like a LOIs specialist at that point, but he could have developed into a Test bowler. Keep in mind that that Ajmal didn't get going in Tests till 2011 as well.

Some spinners are suited to Tests while others are suited to Limited Overs. If they are good enough, they will eventually adapt. For example, Ajmal was naturally a Limited Overs bowler while Kaneria, Rehman and Yasir are Test bowlers. Babar too is a Test bowler but he's a spent force now.

Raza too was naturally a Limited Overs bowler, but sadly we will never find out if he would have adapted to Tests.
 
Mamoon said:
He did look like a LOIs specialist at that point, but he could have developed into a Test bowler. Keep in mind that that Ajmal didn't get going in Tests till 2011 as well.

Some spinners are suited to Tests while others are suited to Limited Overs. If they are good enough, they will eventually adapt. For example, Ajmal was naturally a Limited Overs bowler while Kaneria, Rehman and Yasir are Test bowlers. Babar too is a Test bowler but he's a spent force now.

Raza too was naturally a Limited Overs bowler, but sadly we will never find out if he would have adapted to Tests.
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Yasir Shah could develop into a Limited overs bowler, problem is that he rushes to much into completing his over that he doesn't use his brain into bowling at different lengths.
 
Hawkeye said:
:))) look who's talking! A Kamran Akmal and Malik brigade leader!
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match winners can never be mediocre players. They are special ones because at the end of the day a team wants to win the match..

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Major said:
I will always trust an experience person, over some kids who have barely played any first class games.

Guys like Yasir Shah or Ajmal were successful in world cricket because of Experience, after spending 10 years in domestic they tasted success in International cricket.

Zafar Gohar reminds me of the Raza Hasan hype back in 2010, even back then Afridi din't play him because he knew the bowler was just a kid and din't have that much experience.
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Well than you will take Afridi over many bowlers as well because no one has played as much cricket as him..he has tons of experience. The thing is experience alone is not enough. You need skills as well. Baber may have the experience but he doesn't have the skills to be a wicket taker. we need a genuine wicket taker because our pace attack is toothless in these conditions.

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zulfi is not a main strike bowler he is like abdur rehman he needs someone keeping tight from the other end to get wickets
 
Bowled almost 50 overs with an economy of 1 and now his 3rd wicket. :srt

Turning out to be the one who might just win it for us...
 
He is a good bowler. On this slow pitch, he couldn't have done any better. I felt that he looked better than Yasir in this match and he got the all important wicket of Wood so credit should be given to him.
 
90 % of us were after zulfiqar babar before this test and thus series. But he took very very imp wickets of Joe root and mark wood. Otherwise the story could have been different. So ful credit to team management, Misbah and Zulfiqar Babar.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
90 % of us were after zulfiqar babar before this test and thus series. But he took very very imp wickets of Joe root and mark wood. Otherwise the story could have been different. So ful credit to team management, Misbah and Zulfiqar Babar.
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Yeah, I'll gladly take humble pies. Some of the anti-Zulfi hate and posts turned me against Zulfi as well, but thank God management and captain don't know what's PP and what people post here. :misbah

Took Root's wicket, Wood's, and another - all extremely important scalps.
 
Mamoon said:
Regarding the Raza example - he was quality in 2012, but a serious spinal injury and drugs got the better of him, so it isn't really a relevant example.

Looks like people are satisfied with this useless baba. Good good, you deserve it.

Good evening. :zulfiqarb
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Good morning. :zulfiqarb

The Baba just won you a test match. Now you might not be totally happy with this win but I hope you'll help yourself to some humble-pie.
 
Was poor in 1st test and not that great in 1st inns of 2nd test, but he held an end up in the 2nd inns and took 3 vital wickets so probably will get a stay of execution.
 
Zulfiqar feeds off yasars energy and quality, he's no match winner, a young second spinner could play his role more effectively
 
Amjid Javed said:
Was poor in 1st test and not that great in 1st inns of 2nd test, but he held an end up in the 2nd inns and took 3 vital wickets so probably will get a stay of execution.
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He bowled a lot of overs for not that many runs. I think he needs more close catchers than Misbah was prepared to give him in the first innings. He looked a lot better when he had a more attacking field for the second innings.
 
Amjid Javed said:
Was poor in 1st test and not that great in 1st inns of 2nd test, but he held an end up in the 2nd inns and took 3 vital wickets so probably will get a stay of execution.
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He actually bowled well in the 1st test. It wasn't his fault that the pitch was a completely pancake. He was very economical in the 1st test.
 
I think he was he best performer for us today. Not only his bowling looked the most threatning, he picked up crucial wickets, held up the scoring rate. And although that last catch was a dolly, it excited me more than a jonty effort :mj:yasir:bhatti:misbah:akhtar:ikj:zulfiqarb
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
He bowled a lot of overs for not that many runs. I think he needs more close catchers than Misbah was prepared to give him in the first innings. He looked a lot better when he had a more attacking field for the second innings.
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He actually averages 55 in the 1st innings and 26 in the 2nd. He needs a bit in the pitch to assist him.
Longer term we need a legal offie - if he can bowl a doosra then that is a bonus.
 
I always believed he can play a much better role as a 2nd fiddle bowler.He is someone who doesn't enjoy being the spearhead of the spin bowling (out of the 2) as we saw in 1st test.But he is really good in the role of someone who can choke runs at one end along getting an occasional wicket.

Play an attacking bowler, Yasir Shah in this case,alongside him and you can see he will be a lot more effective because he likes that role of being a supportive hand for Yasir.

It is as if he isn't happy being #1 spinner in team rather quite happy being a supportive hand to other bowlers.

The fact is if you need a bowler from whom you want that he should be miserly then Baba is the option.

In UAE you always will have 2 spin bowlers and hence you can have a spinner who plays a role of being a container and that is what Pak is doing right now along with an attacking spinner at the other end ala Yasir.

But looking ahead of this series we will be playing against England in England.So,as we all know,we won't be getting turning pitches there and hence we won't be going with 2 spinners.We will be going with just a lone spinner and the best bet is the wrist spinner because probability of doing him well in unfavourable condition is rather high than a finger spinner.

Also,the fact that we can always use him as an attacking option Yasir is the option.Alao that supportive role(which Baba does in UAE)can be done by a seamer because surely we will be going in with 3 seamers and you need variation there.Someone who can held one end.

Keeping all these factors in the pocket I won't be taking Baba on English tour.I don't need a spinner there who plays a supportive role but as an attacking option.So Yasir will be the 1st choice.

But we will also need to keep a backup ready but that spinner should be an attacking option rather who can tie down runs and for that matter Zafar/Asgher/Usama/Shahzeib (random list)should be in contention rather Zulfiqar.

And for that that reason I am really interesting to see how these bowlers pan out in domestics 2015-16 and who knows might be playing in England next year...
 
Bilal7 said:
Good morning. :zulfiqarb

The Baba just won you a test match. Now you might not be totally happy with this win but I hope you'll help yourself to some humble-pie.
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What performance? he has been rubbish for 6-7 Tests now and just bowled well once on a day 5 pitch. Yasir and Wahab were the standout bowlers in this Test, not him.

I am surprised he still has fans.
 
Mamoon said:
What performance? he has been rubbish for 6-7 Tests now and just bowled well once on a day 5 pitch. Yasir and Wahab were the standout bowlers in this Test, not him.

I am surprised he still has fans.
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ridiculous comment

Rewatch the first Test, watch what happens when there is only 1 spinner bowling. Remove Zulfiqar Babar, and you wouldnt be having Yasir Shah taking wickets. PRessure is added from both sides
 
Mamoon said:
What performance? he has been rubbish for 6-7 Tests now and just bowled well once on a day 5 pitch. Yasir and Wahab were the standout bowlers in this Test, not him.

I am surprised he still has fans.
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Its funny hwo you admit that you dint watch the match and then say it was a day 5 wicket. It was nota t raditional day 5 wicket, infact it had lost any life it had.

A day 5 wicket is whne it has proper dark patches, the ones where Abdur Rehman use to bowl at.
 
Let's hope he can score a fifty.

Has saved us in the past as well with his batting in tail. :srt
 
Great opportunity for him on this wicket. Ideal wicket for him to perform substantially and hang his boots gracefully. Lots of turn on offer. Even a fivefer is possible for him.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
Great opportunity for him on this wicket. Ideal wicket for him to perform substantially and hang his boots gracefully. Lots of turn on offer. Even a fivefer is possible for him.
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Don't think he'll want to hang his boots this early bro. At least I wouldn't want to if I only got a handful of international games after so many years of toil, even if I was below-average.
 
Uncle Babar took little Taylor to school, today. They had a lot of fun together. :zulfiqarb

Yet, some people wanted Malik to play as the second-spinner above him. [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] :haha
 
Woah.

Won us the second Test. Crucial wickets in this Test again. Proving the haters wrong. :akhtar
 
Although he's spoiling the party for Yasir Shah and taking more than his fair share of wickets.
 
Zulfi is doing well on a turning track that was to be expected. Guy is still averaging in 40s for the series. Against an England team that has 2 quality bats. He should be averaging in the late 20s at least . With all our away tours next year. Zulfi should bid farewell now. Need to reinvest in a younger spinner.

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Adil_94 said:
Zulfi is doing well on a turning track that was to be expected. Guy is still averaging in 40s for the series. Against an England team that has 2 quality bats. He should be averaging in the late 20s at least . With all our away tours next year. Zulfi should bid farewell now. Need to reinvest in a younger spinner.

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Yup most likely in next year we wont need a two pronged spin attack
 
Bilal7 said:
Uncle Babar took little Taylor to school, today. They had a lot of fun together. :zulfiqarb

Yet, some people wanted Malik to play as the second-spinner above him. [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] :haha
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:haha

Give it up please, Malik has easily outperformed him with the ball in this series and your criticism of his 60 average proved to be invalid, because he was certainly much better than that.

Baba has been mediocre throughout the year but today he was decent. He has certainly let you down and few of his other supporters. If you are critical of Malik's statistics, what justification do you have for Baba averaging 40+ overall and 50 this year as a specialist spinner?
 
Zulfi uncle deserves a good rest now. Has been a decent stopgap for us after rehmans decline and Ajmal being rendered toothless. But Zulfi will only deteriorate now.


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Mamoon said:
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Give it up please, Malik has easily outperformed him with the ball in this series and your criticism of his 60 average proved to be invalid, because he was certainly much better than that.

Baba has been mediocre throughout the year but today he was decent. He has certainly let you down and few of his other supporters. If you are critical of Malik's statistics, what justification do you have for Baba averaging 40+ overall and 50 this year as a specialist spinner?
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Justification? He is a defensive spinner who keeps things tight and builds pressure. Anyway, it's over now, he's unlikely to ever play for Pakistan again and aapko chayeh key kushiya banay. :misbah
 
Got huge spin today, but still think we'd be better off playing Imad or Gohar.
 
One of the worst bowlers in the world right now.Left arm spinners nowadays should be decent at least as most of the offies are getting called
 
Old is gold :zulfiqarb

Will miss his crazy appealing.
 
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Where is Abdur Rehman, why did Pakistan discard him? I believe he was an even bigger turner of the ball than Babar? Just because he had a bad Sri Lanka tour in 2014 doesn't mean he should have been axed, even a pre 15 degree Ajmal struggled in that series.
 
He did a good job during series but with series away to england, New zealand and Australia i doubt he will not be playing much test cricket in future.
 
Hes been a good support bowler for pakistan

But this should be the end of him now Thanks for all your efforts zulfi bhai Enjoy retitement
 
Left-arm spinner Zulfiqar Babar claimed 10 wickets in a match as the three-day non-first-class Quaid-e-Azam Trophy fixture between Central Punjab and Southern Punjab ended in an exciting draw at the Iqbal Stadium in Faisalabad on Monday.

The former Test spinner followed up his five for 103 with five for 94 to spin Central Punjab out for 177 in their second innings. This set Southern Punjab, which had conceded an 80-run first innings lead, a victory target of 258 runs.
 
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Left-arm spinner Zulfiqar Babar claimed 10 wickets in a match as the three-day non-first-class Quaid-e-Azam Trophy fixture between Central Punjab and Southern Punjab ended in an exciting draw at the Iqbal Stadium in Faisalabad on Monday.

The former Test spinner followed up his five for 103 with five for 94 to spin Central Punjab out for 177 in their second innings. This set Southern Punjab, which had conceded an 80-run first innings lead, a victory target of 258 runs.
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Get Baba Jee on the plan to AUS
 
This youngster should be at the NCA preparing for the Sri Lanka series. :)
 
Ajmal owes him an apology. He ruined a potentially 300 Test wickets career with his chucking.

Zulfiqar got his chance far too late in his career. He was on his last legs by the time he made his debut in 2013, and a complete expired product by 2015. It was painful to watch him bowl at the end of his international career.

Also, it was a travesty to see Abdur Rehman leapfrogging him in 2007. He has always been bog average even for a second spinner.

Zulfiqar is probably the most unlucky domestic cricketer of his generation, but he should have never been picked for Pakistan after 2013, when it was too late.
 
Zulfiqar Babar’s four wickets in second innings and eight wickets in the match overall for Southern Punjab was the highlight of the third and final day’s play of round three of the three-day non-first-class Quaid-e-Azam Trophy matches on Saturday.

Pakistan recall possible?
 
Aren’t his weickets for second eleven tho?
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Evergreen Zulfiqar Babar's bowling figures so far this season in the QeA Trophy Second XI tournament:<br><br>4/101, 4/65, 6/45, 4/45, 5/103, 5/94<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/QeA19?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#QeA19</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1178007530401882112?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 28, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Mamoon said:
Ajmal owes him an apology. He ruined a potentially 300 Test wickets career with his chucking.

Zulfiqar got his chance far too late in his career. He was on his last legs by the time he made his debut in 2013, and a complete expired product by 2015. It was painful to watch him bowl at the end of his international career.

Also, it was a travesty to see Abdur Rehman leapfrogging him in 2007. He has always been bog average even for a second spinner.

Zulfiqar is probably the most unlucky domestic cricketer of his generation, but he should have never been picked for Pakistan after 2013, when it was too late.
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I assume you supported Zulfiqar Babar since 2007 and were most likely vocal in his support between 2007-2013??
 
Zulfi Baba may be in luck as we all know Misbah has a penchant for babas.
 
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Zulfiqar Babar is still the most skilled left arm spinner in Pakistan despite him being past his own Peak as a bowler.


I am sure that even if Nauman, Kashif and Bhatti played Qea 2nd eleven none would have out performed Zulfiqar Babar.


Zulfiqar played for Pakistan too late and by the time he played his peak had just ended. With better physical condition he could have elongated his peak years but he spent his best 10 years in FC cricket. Zulfiqar’s action had a beautiful pivot in his peak years, due to this he got beautiful drift and prodigious spin but as his fitness declined he lost that dip and extra spin. I saw him absolutely bamboozle and dominate peak Younis Khan playing for UBL. He was that good.




Zulfiqar was the best left arm spinner I saw from Pakistan playing FC Cricket. Even many Ex Cricketers hood this opinion that he was better than Abdul Rehman who was also a very good spinner.



Currently Zafar and Asghar are good spinners but not as good as some here believe them to be. Couple of years back Asghar was bit better than Zafar but now Zafar is better.


Zafar Gohar is most skilled while Nauman Ali is most accurate left arm spinner at the moment. Zafar at present spins it the most (more than Asghar) but he is not accurate and consistent with his line and length which needs to be immaculate. Nauman is doing the best in FC at the moment but he is 33 and his weapon is mainly armer while he cannot spin the ball much which is a negative.



I would like Misbah and Mudassar Nazar to develop an Off Spinner instead for the Test team and Ahmed Ejaz is the best talent who isn’t playing any domestic Cricket sadly. He is again with LQ PDP but T20 or T10 is not meant for him I am afraid and he needs to play FC Cricket. Moreover ZTBL allrounder Haseeb ur Rehman should not have missed this years QEA. I just don’t know how he missed out from Representing Central Punjab or Northern 1st eleven.



Coming back to Zafar Gohar he needs to work with Iqbal, Rehman or Zulfiqar at NCA and he should learn carrom ball aswell from his old team mate Kamran Ghulam. If he learns carrom ball and improves his line and length than he could make Pakistan Test squad and have a decent career because he is a good fielder and a handy batsman aswell. Kashif Bhatti has just been rewarded for last 10 years good FC performances but he is too flat with his trajectory and doesn’t get sharp turn.
 
Great post above and its sad that Babar's career just came to an end. I know Shah and then later, Shadab made an appearance but I feel he could have played a few tests more and helped the younger players come through.
 
Zulfiqar Babar should be brought into to the coaching side of things in the coming years. Our youngsters can benefit a lot from him.
 
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