Inability of Pakistani batters at the death overs against modern T20 death bowling tactics

[Savak]

The reason why Pakistan failed to score 200 runs today was because our batters i.e. Irfan, Shadab and even Iftikhar struggled badly against the slower deliveries, the full blooded wide outside the offstump yorkers.

In the IPL, you can see both the local Indian batters and foreigners easily able to play the reverse scoop or play the drive on the off side to pierce the gap against that line. Why not walk down the pitch at the very end to put the bowler off?

This lack of game awareness and intelligence is what really bothers me about Pakistani batters, they let the bowlers dominate them on a platter, they don't bother to change things up at all.

 

[mominsaigol]

The reason why Pakistan failed to score 200 runs today was because our batters i.e. Irfan, Shadab and even Iftikhar struggled badly against the slower deliveries, the full blooded wide outside the offstump yorkers.

In the IPL, you can see both the local Indian batters and foreigners easily able to play the reverse scoop or play the drive on the off side to pierce the gap against that line. Why not walk down the pitch at the very end to put the bowler off?

This lack of game awareness and intelligence is what really bothers me about Pakistani batters, they let the bowlers dominate them on a platter, they don't bother to change things up at all.

No, blame the 50 balls wasted by rizwan and babar, that's nearly 9 overs. I don't like shadab and irfan but they played much better then these 2 clowns, especially shadab who struck at nearly 200

 

[Rana]

Let’s throw our death batters under the bus as always

-Your captain is too scared to get out

-He bats in the powerplay to inflate his run scoring opportunities with 2 fielders outside, but isn’t hungry enough to target every ball of the powerplay for a boundary. Doesn’t bat according to modern standards

-Your VC is the biggest sulk in Pakistan cricket history. He has ZERO passion for the game, responsibility towards his team having demanded top order positions and not getting to bat slightly where he wants. He also has no drive to target/maximise the score with aggressive approach.

This has been the case for 4 years now!! Nothing has changed at this front!

 

[mominsaigol]

Let’s throw our death batters under the bus as always

-Your captain is too scared to get out

-He bats in the powerplay to inflate his run scoring opportunities with 2 fielders outside, but isn’t hungry enough to target every ball of the powerplay for a boundary. Doesn’t bat according to modern standards

-Your VC is the biggest sulk in Pakistan cricket history. He has ZERO passion for the game, responsibility towards his team having demanded top order positions and not getting to bat slightly where he wants. He also has no drive to target/maximise the score with aggressive approach.

This has been the case for 4 years now!! Nothing has changed at this front!

Tbh, In the past, I didn't like rizwan and I knew he was acting, but I did read some comments from people all across the Internet and genuinely did think the whole he plays for himself was a bit unfair.

I thought babar play for himself, but rizwan is more stubborn for opening and no 4, otherwise he plays for the team.

During that t20 game last year, I was unsure if I was being unfair to rizwan since I felt that any batter would probs want a 100.

But today after the way Chapman played not giving a kahoot about his 100, and the way rizzu walked off, its a new low even for him, no more sympathy from me.

And yes he clearly faked it and walked off because he knew he was incapable and was humiliating himself out their. Anyone who claims he didn't fake it can view his sometimes acting nonsense.

Max he'll maybe sit out the next game, but he'll be back and will play the cup in full swing.

 

[TeymurBlake]

Power hitters aren't perfect or great, however with the top order getting to face 50 balls and not get at least 100 runs on the board doesn't help.

Pakistan have tried numerous hitters, however rotating Babar and Rizwan hasn't happened enough.

 

[prakash]

"In the IPL, you can see both the local Indian batters and foreigners easily able to play the reverse scoop or play the drive on the off side to pierce the gap against that line. Why not walk down the pitch at the very end to put the bowler off?."

Exactly. 5 runs in the penultimate over with 7 wickets in hand is criminal.

 

[topspin]

The reason why Pakistan failed to score 200 runs today was because our batters i.e. Irfan, Shadab and even Iftikhar struggled badly against the slower deliveries, the full blooded wide outside the offstump yorkers.

In the IPL, you can see both the local Indian batters and foreigners easily able to play the reverse scoop or play the drive on the off side to pierce the gap against that line. Why not walk down the pitch at the very end to put the bowler off?

This lack of game awareness and intelligence is what really bothers me about Pakistani batters, they let the bowlers dominate them on a platter, they don't bother to change things up at all.

Not sure which sources have been used this time but you do realise Babar and Rizwan scored 60 off 51 balls? That's just under half of the innings and neither of them were batting in the death overs.

 

[jnaveen1980]

In 2023 death over strike rate

South Africa 12.26
West Indies 11.92
India 11.28
Australia 10.72
Pakistan 10.61
Afghanistan 10.19
New zealand 9.75
England 9.09
Srilanka 8.97
Bangladesh 8.26

In 2023 power play strike rate

South Africa 10.27
West Indies 9.40
Australia 9.31
England 9.18
India 8.54
Srilanka 8.26
Bangladesh 8.18
Pakistan 7.67
New zealand 7.41


We have to remember most teams play B string teams. The stat may be a little skewed.

 

[Rana]

In 2023 power play strike rate

South Africa 10.27
West Indies 9.40
Australia 9.31
England 9.18
India 8.54
Srilanka 8.26
Bangladesh 8.18
Pakistan 7.67
New zealand 7.41

@RedwoodOriginal @daytrader

I guess we finished above South Africa, West Indies and Australia in the 2022 World Cup therefore our powerplay runs per over average is justified.

 

[mominsaigol]

@RedwoodOriginal @daytrader

I guess we finished above South Africa, West Indies and Australia in the 2022 World Cup therefore our powerplay runs per over average is justified.

Daytrader tried being snarky, he pur rate of hitting 4's avg was, and claimed babar was a goat at it. Jnaveen shut him down, Pakistan was 2nd to bottom

 

[daytrader]

@RedwoodOriginal @daytrader

I guess we finished above South Africa, West Indies and Australia in the 2022 World Cup therefore our powerplay runs per over average is justified.

Daytrader tried being snarky, he pur rate of hitting 4's avg was, and claimed babar was a goat at it. Jnaveen shut him down, Pakistan was 2nd to bottom

You guys having a field day today aren't you. Pakistan must have lost

 

[mominsaigol]

You guys having a field day today aren't you. Pakistan must have lost

Mate, you already know . The Internet exists and so does cricinfo.

 

[Barragan]

Iftikhar only faced 4 deliveries, so can't blame him.

Shadab played his part.

Ifran did not play his role as a finisher at all.

He can't hit sixes, especially against pacers and lacks power.

He consumed 20 balls for only 30 runs - not good enough.

 

[daytrader]

Mate, you already know . The Internet exists and so does cricinfo.

I mean itni khushi when Pakistan loses. "Koi sharam hoti hai koi haya"

 

[Rana]

I mean itni khushi when Pakistan loses. "Koi sharam hoti hai koi haya"

You think I was happy when Pakistan were losing 4-1 under Shaheen’s first tour as captain?

 

[mominsaigol]

I mean itni khushi when Pakistan loses. "Koi sharam hoti hai koi haya"

Well tbf Idk about others.

Inpinged you and redwood tonaddress the whole 140 sr is overrated.

Well mate babar and rizwan Collectively making 61 of 50 balls while Chapman making 87 of 42.

So yeah, it matters, the whole pur bowling can defend 160 isnexposed.

We can't even beat NZ c string, their playing with one international player in Chapman, the others sodhi, Neesham are washed up, Bracewell will get incorporated full time though, 2nd to satner, but the rest are club level including sifert.

It takes one international level player to fold us.l in t20natriking Well over 200.

I told you our bowling and batting is pathetic and you disagreed on end. Zindi bachei, how do youbexpect this team to win when Chapman has rachin and no longer is hindered by foxcroft of all players?

 

[emranabbas]

In 2023 death over strike rate

South Africa 12.26
West Indies 11.92
India 11.28
Australia 10.72
Pakistan 10.61
Afghanistan 10.19
New zealand 9.75
England 9.09
Srilanka 8.97
Bangladesh 8.26

In 2023 power play strike rate

South Africa 10.27
West Indies 9.40
Australia 9.31
England 9.18
India 8.54
Srilanka 8.26
Bangladesh 8.18
Pakistan 7.67
New zealand 7.41


We have to remember most teams play B string teams. The stat may be a little skewed.

Reason why teams like Australia England and India dominate. Strike rate is same during powerplay and death overs.

Our 2 jokers slow right down during power play

 

[daytrader]

Reason why teams like Australia England and India dominate. Strike rate is same during powerplay and death overs.

Our 2 jokers slow right down during power play

He's quoting ODI WC stats where Babar and Rizwan don't open

 

[jnaveen1980]

He's quoting ODI WC stats where Babar and Rizwan don't open

No. Those are T20 international stats for 2023

 

[mominsaigol]

@daytrader

BTW no hard feelings from here on out. Besides our cricket talks, when we're talking about other things I actually enjoy talking to you.

I just pinged you to prove I was right about the team and that not everything I say or view is inheritantly wrong simply because I'm not an avid supporter of your favourites.

We had one discussion today, and all your disagreements and claims fell flat, not that this is the first time lol.

Regardless I hope rather then whining you actually understand that not everything a fellow poster who disagrees with you will say will always be inheritantly incorrect or that their blindly hating or disrespecting or lying about legends.

Ik this game, ik it so well that for months on end I quoted babar's backfoot issue against spin and the reason for his dismissals which once again he got badly dismissed on by Bracewell not thay this sample is the only example, Hasramga, mujeeb, kukdeep etc are the same. One of the moderators Ali T even asked me to make a video about this analysis some day.

I wouldn't be asked if I was stupid and ignorant as you claimed. And let me tell you one thing @Rana This man that you criticise for that asif thread or what not, he's far superior to me in terms of cricketing IQ just saying.

So we're not against Pakistan or against you, nor do we disrespect legends, not that misbah was one in the first place.

This misbah clique needs to end for good

 

[jnaveen1980]

Opinions and Facts shouldn't get mixed up. There are some obvious provable deficiencies in the batting approach of Pakistan top order. It is pretty ancient to be honest. Let me share you another stat. This is even more revealing for 2023 T20 internationals

MIDDLE OVER STRIKE RATE

Australia 10.05
South Africa 9.20
India 8.93
West Indies 8.86
England 8.33
New zealand 7.90
Pakistan 7.12
Bangladesh 7.03
Afghanistan 6.83

This is the query

Your Query was Interpreted as:
Sorted by: Run rate, Overs Type: 7 to 16, Season: 2023, Team: Pakistan, Tournament: T20Is (Includes matches for which ball-by-ball data is available)

 

[daytrader]

I just pinged you to prove I was right about the team and that not everything I say or view is inheritantly wrong simply because I'm not an avid supporter of your favourites.

We had one discussion today, and all your disagreements and claims fell flat, not that this is the first time lol.

If you want to find validation in a t20 bilateral where we're experimenting, i guess it does make you right to an extent but you've conveniently ignoring the fielding aspect.

In most occasions we would have defended this score against this NZ side. I didn't see the match but read the commentary and ofcourse there was a dropped catch off Chapman and then poor bowling by the two Shah's and Abrar. I have said many times that our fielding will be the main culprit. We can put up 200 but if we don't hold on to chances then even that will not be enough. In t20s you only need 1 to 2 players to click. That's the nature of the format.

I wouldn't be asked if I was stupid and ignorant as you claimed.

I haven't called you any of that. I think you're very creative.

 

[daytrader]

No. Those are T20 international stats for 2023

Ah I see...my bad then. Hopefully we improve with Saim as an opener

 

[Rana]

He's quoting ODI WC stats where Babar and Rizwan don't open

Lol why where you naturally inclined to believe they are ODI stats?

 

[mominsaigol]

If you want to find validation in a t20 bilateral where we're experimenting, i guess it does make you right to an extent but you've conveniently ignoring the fielding aspect.

In most occasions we would have defended this score against this NZ side. I didn't see the match but read the commentary and ofcourse there was a dropped catch off Chapman and then poor bowling by the two Shah's and Abrar. I have said many times that our fielding will be the main culprit. We can put up 200 but if we don't hold on to chances then even that will not be enough. In t20s you only need 1 to 2 players to click. That's the nature of the format.



I haven't called you any of that. I think you're very creative.

I haven't called you any of that. I think you're very creative.

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I agree with you on the fielding 100%, naseem dropped a catch so did usman khan and so did abrar.

Chapman was dropped 3x.

 

[daytrader]

Lol why where you naturally inclined to believe they are ODI stats?

I read 2023 so assumed WC. Didn't think about t20s lol

 

[jnaveen1980]

Not many teams have played enough T20 in 2024. So we don't get a full picture yet. World T20 will give us an idea. Of course, Pakistan has a decent bowling unit that has managed to mask these deficiencies successfully. They might do that again in world T20. When these fast bowlers hit a rough patch it will be a challenge for this lineup. So that is not a sustainable approach given the way batsmen go hard at bowling from ball 1 till end.

 

[Rana]

Not many teams have played enough T20 in 2024. So we don't get a full picture yet. World T20 will give us an idea. Of course, Pakistan has a decent bowling unit that has managed to mask these deficiencies successfully. They might do that again in world T20. When these fast bowlers hit a rough patch it will be a challenge for this lineup. So that is not a sustainable approach given the way batsmen go hard at bowling from ball 1 till end.

What I saw today from Shaheen was very disheartening

I think the guy has lost his fire to represent Pakistan anymore. Just seems like a dead man going through the motions of being alive.

 

[topspin]

If you want to find validation in a t20 bilateral where we're experimenting, i guess it does make you right to an extent but you've conveniently ignoring the fielding aspect.

In most occasions we would have defended this score against this NZ side. I didn't see the match but read the commentary and ofcourse there was a dropped catch off Chapman and then poor bowling by the two Shah's and Abrar. I have said many times that our fielding will be the main culprit. We can put up 200 but if we don't hold on to chances then even that will not be enough. In t20s you only need 1 to 2 players to click. That's the nature of the format.

If Pakistan scored 200+ then you're well within rights to raise issues with the bowling and fielding, along with Babar's captaincy but I'll take your word that you didn't watch the game, so I'll cut you some slack here for not making any reference to his leadership.

It's inexcusable to fall well short of posting 200 against a second or third string NZ bowling attack. Babar and Rizwan scored 60 off 51 deliveries. To put their efforts into perspective, a DEPLETED New Zealand side chased the target set by Pakistan with 10 balls and 7 wickets to spare.

Surely you can admit that 60 off 51 balls from your favourite duo appears to be an effort that is well below par?

 

[mominsaigol]

If Pakistan scored 200+ then you're well within rights to raise issues with the bowling and fielding, along with Babar's captaincy but I'll take your word that you didn't watch the game, so I'll cut you some slack here for not making any reference to his leadership.

It's inexcusable to fall well short of posting 200 against a second or third string NZ bowling attack. Babar and Rizwan scored 60 off 51 deliveries. To put their efforts into perspective, a DEPLETED New Zealand side chased the target set by Pakistan with 10 balls and 7 wickets to spare.

Surely you can admit that 60 off 51 balls from your favourite duo appears to be an effort that is well below par?

Tbf bro, if I were to blame in order from worst to best it would be

1) Babar: Horrible innings and he's still a moron of a captain, why would you rest your Smartest bowler? Or not try imad? Idm experimenting with abass afridi but why not abass for maseem rather then Amir?

2) Naseem: 2nd biggest cause, expensive + drop catch

3) Rizwan: What was he even doing today?

4) Shaheen: Was a run machine against Chapman

5) UK: Drop catch.

Not gonna blame abrar cause even if he had taken that catch( it was hard to take cause Chapman hit it hard at point blank) but Chapman was already on 82, that catch wouldn't have done anything lol. Also why on earth did Babar bowl abrar after 16th .

Shadab bowled poorly but his catch should have been taken and he batted the best today can't blame him. Chacha was also a non factor so no blame, Irfan Khan is medicore but credit for punching > His weight.

Saim also did good in terms of providing a start.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Initial powerplay is as important as the Death overs to rack up loads of runs. Modern game demands at least 60 runs in the first 5 overs and another 60 runs in the final 5 overs. The middle 10 overs must be scored at 8 or 9 RPO. That will take the score to 200-210 which may be par or even match winning on most pitches.

Preserving wickets and then scoring at the death will not work on most occasions. Bowlers have become smart and they will not let opposition batting get away with 80 runs in final 5 or 6 overs. Rarely it will work.

Pakistan is stuck in 2010's with their approach. India though slightly better still struggles to score rapidly in the first 5 overs. With Rohit and Kohli in Top 3, most of the times, they end up with 40-50 runs in the first 5 overs. Not good enough.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Initial powerplay is as important as the Death overs to rack up loads of runs. Modern game demands at least 60 runs in the first 5 overs and another 60 runs in the final 5 overs. The middle 10 overs must be scored at 8 or 9 RPO. That will take the score to 200-210 which may be par or even match winning on most pitches.

Preserving wickets and then scoring at the death will not work on most occasions. Bowlers have become smart and they will not let opposition batting get away with 80 runs in final 5 or 6 overs. Rarely it will work.

Pakistan is stuck in 2010's with their approach. India though slightly better still struggles to score rapidly in the first 5 overs. With Rohit and Kohli in Top 3, most of the times, they end up with 40-50 runs in the first 5 overs. Not good enough.

Problem is they don't keep going once they start. They start then they pause then start again then they pause. You don't see like how SRH bats. They try to keep going harder and harder. They set themselves up against both short ball and full ball. One guy is brutal against spin. Other one brutal against pace.

 

[160KPH]

Problem is they don't keep going once they start. They start then they pause then start again then they pause. You don't see like how SRH bats. They try to keep going harder and harder. They set themselves up against both short ball and full ball. One guy is brutal against spin. Other one brutal against pace.

Yeah but have you seen how stacked the SRH batting line up is? Eventually you reach a limit based upon your skill/talent.

Travis Head/Markram/Klaasen are way more explosive than any batsmen that we have.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Will keep sounding like a broken record.

Rizwan and Babar are proper T20 frauds.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Yeah but have you seen how stacked the SRH batting line up is? Eventually you reach a limit based upon your skill/talent.

Travis Head/Markram/Klaasen are way more explosive than any batsmen that we have.

Talking about Indian batsmen. Rohit can be very explosive. But he still doesn't keep going hard. Typical washed up mentality of taking single after 6 prevents them from producing a big over. Big overs are the game changers in T20 be it is setting or chasing. Many teams that started steady thinking the chase is only small found themselves in tricky position.

 

[160KPH]

Talking about Indian batsmen. Rohit can be very explosive. But he still doesn't keep going hard. Typical washed up mentality of taking single after 6 prevents them from producing a big over. Big overs are the game changers in T20 be it is setting or chasing. Many teams that started steady thinking the chase is only small found themselves in tricky position.

Oh sorry, thought you were talking about Pakistani batsmen.

Yeah I completely get what you’re saying, the game is changing more and more. You need to bat hard through the power play but also the rest of the game as well. India has such great options now, that it seems like they’d be holding themselves by persisting with Rohit and Kohli. I suppose Pant as well, who for some reason does not seem to be nearly as impressive of a batsmen in T20 as he is in Test?

Australia might pull out a batting lineup in the upcoming tournament that could bat brutally throughout the innings:

Travis Head
Warner
Fraser-McGurk
Marsh
Maxwell

 

[daytrader]

If Pakistan scored 200+ then you're well within rights to raise issues with the bowling and fielding, along with Babar's captaincy but I'll take your word that you didn't watch the game, so I'll cut you some slack here for not making any reference to his leadership.

It's inexcusable to fall well short of posting 200 against a second or third string NZ bowling attack. Babar and Rizwan scored 60 off 51 deliveries. To put their efforts into perspective, a DEPLETED New Zealand side chased the target set by Pakistan with 10 balls and 7 wickets to spare.

Surely you can admit that 60 off 51 balls from your favourite duo appears to be an effort that is well below par?

Yes I admit they were under par. But then you also gotta admit that when they both fail, Pakistan tends to lose

 

[Rana]

Oh sorry, thought you were talking about Pakistani batsmen.

Yeah I completely get what you’re saying, the game is changing more and more. You need to bat hard through the power play but also the rest of the game as well. India has such great options now, that it seems like they’d be holding themselves by persisting with Rohit and Kohli. I suppose Pant as well, who for some reason does not seem to be nearly as impressive of a batsmen in T20 as he is in Test?

Australia might pull out a batting lineup in the upcoming tournament that could bat brutally throughout the innings:

Travis Head
Warner
Fraser-McGurk
Marsh
Maxwell

Oh right, this team by Australia hasn’t been structured according to how Pakistan are structuring their side?

 

[mominsaigol]

Yes I admit they were under par. But then you also gotta admit that when they both fail, Pakistan tends to lose

2022 t20 wc literally contradicts everything you claim.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Not only death overs we need to go big in middle overs too. Its there where we actually throw the game away.

 

[Rana]

Yes I admit they were under par. But then you also gotta admit that when they both fail, Pakistan tends to lose

They fail all the time. Scoring 50 off 40 balls as openers is not a success.

Pakistan lose when the bowlers fail. That’s the honest truth which you will deny.

 

[daytrader]

They fail all the time. Scoring 50 off 40 balls as openers is not a success.

Pakistan lose when the bowlers fail. That’s the honest truth which you will deny.

No I actually agree that we lose due to poor bowling and fielding. Babar and Rizwan might not be as successful as other openers in the World but we still post 170+ regularly which should be defended.

 

[Rana]

No I actually agree that we lose due to poor bowling and fielding. Babar and Rizwan might not be as successful as other openers in the World but we still post 170+ regularly which should be defended.

How certain are you that Pakistan will stop posting 170 if we remove Babar and Rizwan forever?

 

[160KPH]

Oh right, this team by Australia hasn’t been structured according to how Pakistan are structuring their side?

Already back to have your weekly meltdown

 

[Rana]

Already back to have your weekly meltdown

You made the dumb comment about India and Australia already doing what Pakistan have been doing about players playing out of position.

 

[160KPH]

You made the dumb comment about India and Australia already doing what Pakistan have been doing about players playing out of position.

But like I said many times before. Rizwan is going to run the team for the next 5 years.

 

[Rana]

But like I said many times before. Rizwan is going to run the team for the next 5 years.

Well what’s the truth? What did you actually claim? You justified Pakistan’s tactic of playing players out of position because India and Australia are doing it. That makes what you stated didn’t you?

 

[160KPH]

Well what’s the truth? What did you actually claim? You justified Pakistan’s tactic of playing players out of position because India and Australia are doing it. That makes what you stated didn’t you?

I said India and Australia sometimes play players at different positions in international cricket than the spot those players play in franchise cricket. Like how Pant plays at #4 and #5 in intentional cricket, but plays #3 in intentional cricket. Kohli opens in franchise cricket but doesn’t open in international cricket. Not really a big deal.

I was just saying I would like Haris to be in the team even if he isn’t able to play at #3 in the international team. Somehow you twisted and lied about my words and now consistently repeat the lie that I said Australia and India copy Pakistan’s selection.

 

[Rana]

I said India and Australia sometimes play players at different positions in international cricket than the spot those players play in franchise cricket. Like how Pant plays at #4 and #5 in intentional cricket, but plays #3 in intentional cricket. Kohli opens in franchise cricket but doesn’t open in international cricket. Not really a big deal.

I was just saying I would like Haris to be in the team even if he isn’t able to play at #3 in the international team. Somehow you twisted and lied about my words and now consistently repeat the lie that I said Australia and India copy Pakistan’s selection.

Right. Be very careful when making arrogant, single line comments justifying nonsense which people who have a serious problem with have been calling out for years. When making a bold claim like you initially did, make sure to write an extensive paragraph considering you don’t really stand for anything besides protecting Rizwan.

Thanks

 

[160KPH]

Right. Be very careful when making arrogant, single line comments justifying nonsense which people who have a serious problem with have been calling out for years. When making a bold claim like you initially did, make sure to write an extensive paragraph considering you don’t really stand for anything besides protecting Rizwan.

Thanks

It wasn’t a single line it was multiple paragraphs. And the whole point of the comment was me wanting Haris in team, potentially as a Rizwan replacement, no matter what spot we can fit him into because he has one of the highest SR’s out of all of the Pakistani players and one of the few who can play modern T20.

 

[Rana]

It wasn’t a single line it was multiple paragraphs. And the whole point of the comment was me wanting Haris in team, potentially as a Rizwan replacement, no matter what spot we can fit him into because he has one of the highest SR’s out of all of the Pakistani players and one of the few who can play modern T20.

This is the truth of those who defend falsehood.

 

[160KPH]

This is the truth of those who defend falsehood.

 

[daytrader]

How certain are you that Pakistan will stop posting 170 if we remove Babar and Rizwan forever?

We might have an odd game where we can but consistently with the current batch, not often

 

[daytrader]

2022 t20 wc literally contradicts everything you claim.

They won us the semi final against a full strength New Zealand team.

 

[Rana]

They won us the semi final against a full strength New Zealand team.

A semi final you had no business playing really? Amir was right wasn’t he? “Zara Sydney se Bahir tou yeh ayen you phir dekhen ghe”

 

[topspin]

Yes I admit they were under par.

But then you also gotta admit that when they both fail, Pakistan tends to lose

I read a stat some time ago that if you lose 2 or 3 wickets early in the powerplay, the chance of winning a T20 game reduces to around 20%. Babar and Rizwan bat in the top 3, so you could say that’s inevitable if other players have to come in and look to build a partnership without taking any risks.

The problem is when Babar and Rizwan occupy the crease they can’t get past 3rd gear, so Pakistan end up well below par on good batting wickets even against some of the second/third string bowling attacks, like we saw yesterday.

 

[Energy]

The OP associated the word intelligence with our players. That's a crime.

There are only two sets of batsmen in Pakistan. Technique and tullay. Technique is playing the line, weak muscle and tullay is eyes-closed mid-wicket hoick merchants. Welcome to the 80s.

 

[emranabbas]

How certain are you that Pakistan will stop posting 170 if we remove Babar and Rizwan forever?

Reminds me if misbah fans saying without misbah the team won't cross 250

 

[FearlessRoar]

Salman Butt’s remarks came after Haris was once again ignored by the PCB selection committee while naming the squad for the upcoming T20I matches against Ireland and England. He said on his official YouTube channel:

“Azam Khan, Saim Ayub and Iftikhar Ahmed are all explosive players. Shadab Khan is also a solid hitter and Imad Wasim is the same. Usman Khan also performed in PSL so where would you place Mohammad Haris? Haris has had plenty of opportunities and maybe he needs to ask himself about whether he has done justice to his chances and talent because he is extremely talented. His look is attractive because of the way he can strike the ball.”