Inability of Pakistan's domestic and international batters to play well against modern death bowling

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Personally my biggest concern is the fact that our players especially the batsmen coming in our system in our domestic cricket, the PSL and even established players in the national team have not developed modern T20 skills ie ramp shot, helicopter shots, reverse sweeps, reverse flicks, intelligently walking down at the last second to convert a yorker into a full toss, making enough room at the last minute to play a yorker towards third man. I mean these are modern T20 batting skills which we see in the IPL, Big Bash, SAT20 but you never seen this enough in the PSL.

You will see limited Pakistani batsmen do the same thing again and again ie cross batted slog on the leg side or waiting for a ball in the slot to free their arms as if someone like Bhumrah will give it to them on a platter but you won't see a single batsman play a surprise shot out of the box. This is why our limited overs T20 & ODI team has fallen so far behind the major teams in the world but what is the PCB doing to address this problem on a long term basis, this has to be addressed at our domestic, academy level.
 
Its all about the intent.... there is no lack of ability because these same players can be seen thrashing all over the park in leagues but when they play for Pakistan they are usually get more concerned about their statistics rather than winning the game.
 
Its about intent and mental toughness, and both of them are too rare for Pakistan players
 

This is the kind of out of the box, innovative batting Pakistani batters needed to attempt against Bhumrah, Siraj, Arshdeep in the final overs when they were bowling yorker after yorker, low full tosses. Heck you are allowed to use the back of the bat. Just look at the shot Haris played in the PSL against Zaman Khan's full blooded yorker.

Iftikhar and Imad Wasim were very predictable and one dimensional. Naseem Shah was the only one who did something different first ball by playing a ramp shot to Arshdeeps yorker and it went for 4 and that put Arshdeep under pressure and next ball he bowled a slight length ball and Naseem hit him for 4 on the offside.

I hope Kirsten is given a free hand to replace players who are unwilling to improve their skills
 
There has been a lot of knee jerk reaction in this and other forums related to Pakistan early exist. But the fact is T20 cricket is like that and any team can exist early. Pakistan did make the semi and final last two time without really having a standout team which again proves the same point. T20 can go either way for anyone.

Pakistan needs to concentrate on finding good talent and squad of players of Tests and 50 over cricket. T20 can be handled by young players win or lose for bilaterals and then for ICC tournament they need to start by pickicking the right squads.

You cant have a squad where you 4,5,6 are shadab, Azam khan and imad. These are allrouders and may make come off in league cricket but at internal levels these positions require specialist batters which we didn't even take. Your top 6 can maximum have one allrounder otherwise it should be filled with proper batsmen.
 
I think conditions are tougher here to score in the back end. Last year in West Indies India needed 39 in 5 overs in 6 overs with 2 set batsmen. One set batsman got out. Whoever was new to crease could not bat with any degree of fluency. USA pitchces were even harder in the backend. Ofcourse you still need to execute your skills well.
 
Apart from Babar everyone else has a disgusting technique. The entire innings consists of block, block, chop, hack, chop, block.

Where are the self assured batters with a solid and smooth techniques?
 
Apart from Babar everyone else has a disgusting technique. The entire innings consists of block, block, chop, hack, chop, block.

Where are the self assured batters with a solid and smooth techniques?
They didnt take any, Our tail started from number 4 with shadab. We were basically banking on flat Rawalpindi tracks with league level bowlers where the likes of shadab and azam khan can score some runs once in a while. But conditions in recent T20 WC required your top 6 to be proper batsmen. The likes of abdullah shafiq etc would have come in handy as 150+ SR batsmen were not required and mostly failed for most teams.
 
I fear they feel insecure about their own batting abilities after being humiliated day in and day out by the bowlers in the toughest bowling league in the world.

It is like participating in Tour de France for them. It sure gonna hurt their confidence.

PSL is toughest bowling league in the world for a reason. :inti
 
Its all about mentality and determination and discipline to learn and adapt. This is their bread and butter, if one can’t adapt or learn, bring in the new guy.
 
We have such batsmen in our domestic but we never back them in case of failures. Also there is need to work on their mental toughness
 
There has been a lot of knee jerk reaction in this and other forums related to Pakistan early exist. But the fact is T20 cricket is like that and any team can exist early. Pakistan did make the semi and final last two time without really having a standout team which again proves the same point. T20 can go either way for anyone.

Pakistan needs to concentrate on finding good talent and squad of players of Tests and 50 over cricket. T20 can be handled by young players win or lose for bilaterals and then for ICC tournament they need to start by pickicking the right squads.

You cant have a squad where you 4,5,6 are shadab, Azam khan and imad. These are allrouders and may make come off in league cricket but at internal levels these positions require specialist batters which we didn't even take. Your top 6 can maximum have one allrounder otherwise it should be filled with proper batsmen.
They lost to USA.. knee jerk reaction is expected.. the group was made for them to go to Super 8.. this was not super 12 format
 
They lost to USA.. knee jerk reaction is expected.. the group was made for them to go to Super 8.. this was not super 12 format
But who cares about T20 cricket to this extent in the first place? Its well known this is the format where you can easily lose to any team. T20 cricket craze starts from first game of the tournament and finishes at last everyone moves on.

India, England and Australia part of BIG 3 with their resources have entred a few T20 WC as favorites and have not won people in their countries have not cared as much as the reaction I am seeing in Pakistan.
 
But who cares about T20 cricket to this extent in the first place? Its well known this is the format where you can easily lose to any team. T20 cricket craze starts from first game of the tournament and finishes at last everyone moves on.

India, England and Australia part of BIG 3 with their resources have entred a few T20 WC as favorites and have not won people in their countries have not cared as much as the reaction I am seeing in Pakistan.
What are you on about ? When have Top teams lost to 18th rank team in any format?

And who cares about T20 now? Lol literally the entire forum and young cricket population until a week ago.
 
I quickly ran a death over metrics for each team in the world cup. Here is what i have come up with

TeamDeath over SRBallsRuns4s6sDotsDot %
NZ20024493510
41.67​
WI177.69138262201745
32.61​
India168.83152270181544
28.95​
Scotland1653972157
17.95​
Australia143.111418115739
34.21​
England137.761867213
21.31​
Oman132.8570979219
27.14​
South Africa128.5714018981050
35.71​
Srilanka125.3767894735
52.24​
Bangladesh123.9714619713852
35.62​
Canada122.2272935424
33.33​
Afghanistan122.1312215681158
47.54​
USA117.8812215610850
40.98​
Pakistan114.6674934423
31.08​
Netherlands113.2368808331
45.59​
 
What are you on about ? When have Top teams lost to 18th rank team in any format?

And who cares about T20 now? Lol literally the entire forum and young cricket population until a week ago.
SA lost to Netherlands last time and the point of these tournament is to win them once your out the planning for next one can begin regardless to who you lost to. And yes to your surprise T20 is not really real cricket but invented to have quick evening fun. Its no yard of success for an over all cricket teams otherwise WI would be the most successful cricket team but they are deemed to be in the crisis.
 
SA lost to Netherlands last time and the point of these tournament is to win them once your out the planning for next one can begin regardless to who you lost to. And yes to your surprise T20 is not really real cricket but invented to have quick evening fun. Its no yard of success for an over all cricket teams otherwise WI would be the most successful cricket team but they are deemed to be in the crisis.
Ok sir please let us know which is real cricket now.
 
Ok sir please let us know which is real cricket now.
Do you need to know? Anyway this is not the point of my original conversation so I dont want to engage in this anymore. Point is the knee jerk reaction shown by Pakistan fan is something I have not seen before even when the bigger more fancied teams have existed the T20 tournament.

Longer formats you can sort of understand but T20 which is the most unpredictable format and Pakistan did make back to back semi and Final last two times so a bad tournament was due.
 
Do you need to know? Anyway this is not the point of my original conversation so I dont want to engage in this anymore. Point is the knee jerk reaction shown by Pakistan fan is something I have not seen before even when the bigger more fancied teams have existed the T20 tournament.

Longer formats you can sort of understand but T20 which is the most unpredictable format and Pakistan did make back to back semi and Final last two times so a bad tournament was due.
PCT has consistently performed bad in LOI for an year now.. ODI T20 they have lost to numerous teams, and tests they don’t even care the losses are extremely bad,so I’m not even mentioning that.

LOI is what PCT and their fans care about so obviously the knee jerk reaction.
 
They don't have the shots. And even worse, they don't practice increasing the range.

It's only the mid-wicket hoick for all of them. That won't cut it against the international standard of bowling.
 
PCT has consistently performed bad in LOI for an year now.. ODI T20 they have lost to numerous teams, and tests they don’t even care the losses are extremely bad,so I’m not even mentioning that.

LOI is what PCT and their fans care about so obviously the knee jerk reaction.
Yes the tests are only for teams that can afford them which is the BIG 3 which is fair enough everyone wants to make money. Why would anyone want to play a format they cant make money in and nobody watches tests in Pakistan which is also a reality.

Anyway the reaction have been extreme when its only one tournament. The changes needs to be made bearing in mind the 50 over WC performance more than what happened in this unpredictable format.
 
we cant really expect anything from current lot of players... better to pick some new faces and give them a confidence i am sure he will perform better than these so called big players
 
Its all about the intent.... there is no lack of ability because these same players can be seen thrashing all over the park in leagues but when they play for Pakistan they are usually get more concerned about their statistics rather than winning the game.
I think they are just too scared to fail.
 
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