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Bhai, arent you just 26? You haven't seen ANY cricket for a "long, long time".
I have to believe no Pakistani would root for India like that. Certainly no Bangladeshi does.

27. "long, long time" is relative from person to person. I started watching cricket in mid to late 90's so that how far back it goes for me. For some one older than me, it might go back to the 80's and even 70's.

This current Indian team is certainly the best Asian Test side I have watched, especially when you consider the ages of their best players. They have all bases covered and their best is yet to come.

It is not about what Pakistanis would root for and what Bangladeshis would do. Unfortunately, it is nothing but your small mentality coming to the fore. Good cricket and good cricketers should be appreciated regardless of your nationality.

I have no problem with India and I have always admired their cricket.
 
27. "long, long time" is relative from person to person. I started watching cricket in mid to late 90's so that how far back it goes for me. For some one older than me, it might go back to the 80's and even 70's.

This current Indian team is certainly the best Asian Test side I have watched, especially when you consider the ages of their best players. They have all bases covered and their best is yet to come.

It is not about what Pakistanis would root for and what Bangladeshis would do. Unfortunately, it is nothing but your small mentality coming to the fore. Good cricket and good cricketers should be appreciated regardless of your nationality.

I have no problem with India and I have always admired their cricket.

I admire good cricketers. You seem to take the India-love a bit too far. Declaring them the best in x or y is a bit much especially as they have been home dominant without any corresponding away performance.
 
Deserve to win? Not sure how, compared to South Africa their batting has not been a match even though there was a freak innings by Pandya who was actually dropped at one point.

They've bowled well and put a fight in the field but in general have been behind South Africa.

South Africa have just been too good.

It is a young team playing in some unfriendly conditions. They pushed South Africa all the way and I think they deserved to win after the way they fought back in the third innings. However, life is not always fair and neither is cricket. South Africa's pace attack is simply too good in these conditions.
 
I admire good cricketers. You seem to take the India-love a bit too far. Declaring them the best in x or y is a bit much especially as they have been home dominant without any corresponding away performance.

I don't know much about you or your opinions, but you seem to have a chip on your shoulder when it comes to Indian cricketers.
 
SA have good bowlers but I am not impressed with their batting. Amla seems to be on decline, AB is in and out of the team, Faf plays well only now and then like pakistani batsmen. Elgar was consistent last year, could do well this year also. Don’t want to talk about the rest.
 
I don't know much about you or your opinions, but you seem to have a chip on your shoulder when it comes to Indian cricketers.

Is my crime not rating Kapil Dev as more than a decent medium-fast bowler? Or rating Sachin as 2nd to Lara in Tests?

One would think being 2nd in the world is an insult.

There are some Indian cricketers I admire hugely - Kumble, Gavaskar, Dravid, Mohinder for example. I do not however buy into the hype train. Incidentally, that is pains a Pakistani that someone ribs Indian cricketers now and then is stretching credibility.
 
Today India missed golden opportunity to go one up, who knows could have led to series win, never done by any Asian side. This must be damming for India, batting is their strength, they are highly paid and have lot of experience, that makes it more demoralizing for fans and team. You don't get that kind of opportunities. All the hard-work by bowlers gone wasted. It will be much harder to come back from this. They also knew that SA were man down, only three bowlers to deal with and chasing 209...
 
Is my crime not rating Kapil Dev as more than a decent medium-fast bowler? Or rating Sachin as 2nd to Lara in Tests?

One would think being 2nd in the world is an insult.

There are some Indian cricketers I admire hugely - Kumble, Gavaskar, Dravid, Mohinder for example. I do not however buy into the hype train. Incidentally, that is pains a Pakistani that someone ribs Indian cricketers now and then is stretching credibility.

You obviously know what I am talking about and so do a few other posters. There is nothing wrong in having a chip on your shoulder, or chips on both shoulders.
 
I think India had great chance when VK and Rohit were batting. It looked these two will take away the game but never felt assured with Rohit but Kohli was the one who disappointed me a lot.

This was the match he could have grabbed by the scruff of its neck and this time there wasn't bowling excuse either. I believe his legacy will be shaped in the coming overseas tours. He is a great test batsmen but its to be seen if he can elevate himself to Tendulkar or Dravid level or not.

If this was odis, he would have won it for India. He was bashing the Lankans for fun by smashing 700 runs in a 3 test series but the real toughness is upfront for him to face particularly in next 2 years.
 
Our team that won the Asian Test championship was far far better than this Indian team
 
Not sure how you made that assessment. Is it just because you like them? With how they are rolling over right now, i fail to see their superior side. Please enlighten us.

His favourite team is India and hence he always thinks they will win. :yk
 
So India's number one ranking was a fluke :srt
 
There are no horses to hold. I hope(d) India would win, but it was too tough to call who would actually go on to win. A brilliant Test match by two very good teams, and the sizable lead that India conceded in the first innings has proved to be pivotal.

I think the Man of the Match award should go to de Villiers. His counter-attack half-century on day 1 proved to be the difference in my view.

Awww don't cry and run away just because your favourite "best Asian side" was beaten by 10 men inside 3 days :sree
 
India will be disappointed they didn't win the game after the bowlers got them into a good position. ABD counter attacking knock in the end made the difference for me. India were in a good position and should have dismissed South Africa for a lower total than they did .

Hope the next 2 games provide more entertainment.
 
27. "long, long time" is relative from person to person. I started watching cricket in mid to late 90's so that how far back it goes for me. For some one older than me, it might go back to the 80's and even 70's.

This current Indian team is certainly the best Asian Test side I have watched, especially when you consider the ages of their best players. They have all bases covered and their best is yet to come.

It is not about what Pakistanis would root for and what Bangladeshis would do. Unfortunately, it is nothing but your small mentality coming to the fore. Good cricket and good cricketers should be appreciated regardless of your nationality.

I have no problem with India and I have always admired their cricket.

No disrespect but you are wrong

This is not the best Asian team by any means. Hell, i will take Misbah's team that went 2-2 in England over this team. Not to mention the Indian and Pakistani teams in the 2000's.

This team is massively overrated. Ashwin's batting is useless against good attacks and while he didn't bowl much, he is simply not a great bowler outside of overly friendly spin tracks in India.

If Ashwin had taken a 10fer in England vs England, you would be praising him to the moon. Instead, you try to downplay Yasir and rate Ashwin as the best spinner in the world.

In reality, Ashwin cannot hold a candle to Yasir. Hell, Ashwin doesn't even compare to Saqlain (in tests, yes) or Stuart McGill. Ashwin is a product of his time- a product of overly spin friendly wickets in India. A decent bowler who you would describe as nothing more than decent if he was Pakistani.

Sharma is useless in tests in any half decent bowling conditions. Dhawan is decent at best. Pujara has had mixed success away from home.

As for Kohli, he is nowhere near as great as you make him out to be. Yes, he is better than any current Pak batter. But he isn't a once in a generational batsmen that you have made him out to be. Given how frequently Kohli has gotten to play away from home, this is embarassing. He is not a novice. He has had more overseas opportunities in his career so far than virtually any Pakistan batsman has had in their entire career. Kohli is a very good batter who generally needs favourable conditions to succeed.

All in all, this Indian team is only #1 due to the sheer number of matches they play. Their batting is weak, bowling is ok, and all in all, they are nothing to write home about.

Just like many Pakistani fans overrate Pakistani cricketers, you VASTLY overrate Indian cricketers. They have just one great batter (Kohli) in their entire team. And even Kohli is more vulnerable outside the off stump than a great batsman should be. (All great batters are slightly weak if you consistently bowl an off stump line, but Kohli is more so).

India do not have a single genuinely great bowler. And no, Ashwin isn't the best spinner in the world. That is Yasir and by distance.
 
India will be disappointed they didn't win the game after the bowlers got them into a good position. ABD counter attacking knock in the end made the difference for me. India were in a good position and should have dismissed South Africa for a lower total than they did .

Hope the next 2 games provide more entertainment.

IND would have lost even if the target was 170, the reason is SAF's collapse was due to a factor that favored IND - it would have cut IND as well, had they started an hour earlier.

If you read my post in match thread, I explained that wicket - it was best for batting on day 3, which was washed out. More importantly, whole day under drizzle they unveiled the wicket few times, which allowed the top surface to consume lots of moisture and there wasn't enough sun before play commenced on Day 4, which probably was a 30 minutes early start. On 4th morning, once they rolled it, moisture came out and the cracks were bonded - so, it became a seemers wicket more than a pacers' wicket; hence Indian seemers knocked them off in a session. BUT, that extended batting allowed the sun enough time to dry the moisture, hence that resistance from Ashwin & BK at the later part of innings. For the sake of saying, had SAF been all out for say 84, IND would have gone to lunch 6 down for 42 & probably all-out for 85.

This game isn't T20 - it has a major factor of condition. In ideal case, without rain, SAF would have batted whole day 3 and probably would have reached something like 343/7 .... heavy roller on Day 4 morning to crack the surface, bat for an hour and set IND something like 450 to chase (would have declared, Styen won't have come to bat). Without Styen, depleted SAF attack won't have dismissed IND for 135 for sure on a dry surface, but they would have cleaned Indian bottom half with 2nd ball, for a total AT MOST 280, in around 100 overs for a 170+ win. With Styen, that margin could have been like 256 ....

It was a GOLDEN, GOLDEN opportunity to win a Test - that envious top 5 didn't do justice to the hype.
 
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I admire good cricketers. You seem to take the India-love a bit too far. Declaring them the best in x or y is a bit much especially as they have been home dominant without any corresponding away performance.

Our team that won the Asian Test championship was far far better than this Indian team

Awww don't cry and run away just because your favourite "best Asian side" was beaten by 10 men inside 3 days :sree

No disrespect but you are wrong

This is not the best Asian team by any means. Hell, i will take Misbah's team that went 2-2 in England over this team. Not to mention the Indian and Pakistani teams in the 2000's.

This team is massively overrated. Ashwin's batting is useless against good attacks and while he didn't bowl much, he is simply not a great bowler outside of overly friendly spin tracks in India.

If Ashwin had taken a 10fer in England vs England, you would be praising him to the moon. Instead, you try to downplay Yasir and rate Ashwin as the best spinner in the world.

In reality, Ashwin cannot hold a candle to Yasir. Hell, Ashwin doesn't even compare to Saqlain (in tests, yes) or Stuart McGill. Ashwin is a product of his time- a product of overly spin friendly wickets in India. A decent bowler who you would describe as nothing more than decent if he was Pakistani.

Sharma is useless in tests in any half decent bowling conditions. Dhawan is decent at best. Pujara has had mixed success away from home.

As for Kohli, he is nowhere near as great as you make him out to be. Yes, he is better than any current Pak batter. But he isn't a once in a generational batsmen that you have made him out to be. Given how frequently Kohli has gotten to play away from home, this is embarassing. He is not a novice. He has had more overseas opportunities in his career so far than virtually any Pakistan batsman has had in their entire career. Kohli is a very good batter who generally needs favourable conditions to succeed.

All in all, this Indian team is only #1 due to the sheer number of matches they play. Their batting is weak, bowling is ok, and all in all, they are nothing to write home about.

Just like many Pakistani fans overrate Pakistani cricketers, you VASTLY overrate Indian cricketers. They have just one great batter (Kohli) in their entire team. And even Kohli is more vulnerable outside the off stump than a great batsman should be. (All great batters are slightly weak if you consistently bowl an off stump line, but Kohli is more so).

India do not have a single genuinely great bowler. And no, Ashwin isn't the best spinner in the world. That is Yasir and by distance.

Please do not state facts. We would all prefer to be jingoistic and chest thump the loudest because we won series on doctored pitches at home. The poster has a stronger love affair for India than most of the Indians on this forum....which tells you a lot. This individual will defend India non stop but you won't find the individual on the forum when Pakistan do well....unless of course when he comes and tells us that all the wins were a series of flukes.
 
India lost, hahaha! Brilliant to always see them lose and put in their place! If Satan was playing them I would support Satan! It was a comfortable win for RSA in the end, 72 runs is not at all close. Hope their fans enjoy licking their wounds, serves you all right.
 
It was a GOLDEN, GOLDEN opportunity to win a Test - that envious top 5 didn't do justice to the hype.

Golden opportunity for those who are not used to winning. India has opportunity to win in every test match, and is going to win at least one test this series (unless rain saves South Africa).
 
Finally, ‘rockstars’ brought back to earth. Rooting for 3-0. Go Proteas.
 
Some of the usual posters posting garbage as usual.

Anyway this is my line up for the remaining Tests.

Rahul
Vijay
Pujara
Kohli
Rahane
Rohit
Pandya
Saha (WK, very good pair of hands. Had an exceptional Test)
Bhuvi
Shami
Bumrah

India has a quality pace attack. They don't need spinners at the Highveld. Kohli has to trust his fast bowlers and break away from the fear and safety net of spin bowlers. I believe an extra bat will add more value to the team than either Ashwin or Jadeja.
 
I was only able to watch a few overs of this test match and that is a shame because this was one of the most entertaining matches of the recent past. India played very well, their bowlers were especially good. A shame Steyn is out of the series though.

Drop Dhawan and Rohit for Rahul and Rahane and it'll be an even closer game next time. South Africa should bring Morris in.
 
Some of the usual posters posting garbage as usual.

Anyway this is my line up for the remaining Tests.

Rahul
Vijay
Pujara
Kohli
Rahane
Rohit
Pandya
Saha (WK, very good pair of hands. Had an exceptional Test)
Bhuvi
Shami
Bumrah

India has a quality pace attack. They don't need spinners at the Highveld. Kohli has to trust his fast bowlers and break away from the fear and safety net of spin bowlers. I believe an extra bat will add more value to the team than either Ashwin or Jadeja.

Ashwin batted better than a few top order bats and showed better technique. How can Kohli drop him
 
They were never gonna win in the RSA where the pitches will not be made to Indian strengths. Same applies to Australia and even New Zealand where the ball bounces more then what they are used to. India are no way near the great Aussie sides, stop dreaming Indian fans and get real! I will sleep and eat well today:amir3
 
No disrespect but you are wrong

This is not the best Asian team by any means. Hell, i will take Misbah's team that went 2-2 in England over this team. Not to mention the Indian and Pakistani teams in the 2000's.

This team is massively overrated. Ashwin's batting is useless against good attacks and while he didn't bowl much, he is simply not a great bowler outside of overly friendly spin tracks in India.

If Ashwin had taken a 10fer in England vs England, you would be praising him to the moon. Instead, you try to downplay Yasir and rate Ashwin as the best spinner in the world.

In reality, Ashwin cannot hold a candle to Yasir. Hell, Ashwin doesn't even compare to Saqlain (in tests, yes) or Stuart McGill. Ashwin is a product of his time- a product of overly spin friendly wickets in India. A decent bowler who you would describe as nothing more than decent if he was Pakistani.

Sharma is useless in tests in any half decent bowling conditions. Dhawan is decent at best. Pujara has had mixed success away from home.

As for Kohli, he is nowhere near as great as you make him out to be. Yes, he is better than any current Pak batter. But he isn't a once in a generational batsmen that you have made him out to be. Given how frequently Kohli has gotten to play away from home, this is embarassing. He is not a novice. He has had more overseas opportunities in his career so far than virtually any Pakistan batsman has had in their entire career. Kohli is a very good batter who generally needs favourable conditions to succeed.

All in all, this Indian team is only #1 due to the sheer number of matches they play. Their batting is weak, bowling is ok, and all in all, they are nothing to write home about.

Just like many Pakistani fans overrate Pakistani cricketers, you VASTLY overrate Indian cricketers. They have just one great batter (Kohli) in their entire team. And even Kohli is more vulnerable outside the off stump than a great batsman should be. (All great batters are slightly weak if you consistently bowl an off stump line, but Kohli is more so).

India do not have a single genuinely great bowler. And no, Ashwin isn't the best spinner in the world. That is Yasir and by distance.

Yes we will have to agree to disagree. Misbah's team was an average one - it even lost even lost a Test in Zimbabwe, couldn't beat NZ at home, and also lost a Test in the UAE to the WI. The 2-2 in England was a good result but England had an unsettled top-order and Stokes only played 1 Test. In addition, Anderson was nursing a shoulder injury and wasn't at his best.

Moreover, we got lucky because we played them in late summer when the conditions were good. This year, we are touring them in May and a whitewash is on the cards.

Ashwin is better than Yasir in my view. Both are reliant on turning pitches, but when there is no assistance, Yasir gets smashed like no tomorrow. On the contrary, Ashwin is still able to bowl economical spells.

Yasir's inability to stem the flow of runs was a major reason why Australia whitewashed us last year. On the other hand, Ashwin's economical bowling helped India draw two Tests in Australia last time around. Yasir helped us win two matches in England on surfaces that provided assistance, but he got hammered at Old Trafford and Edgbaston.

If Ashwin and Jadeja get similar pitches at Lord's and The Oval, they will also do well.

He is a good spinner but overrated by Pakistani fans. Our Test bowling is garbage at the moment and he is the only wicket-taker, and that is why he stands out compared to the rest. It is not hard to out-bowl Amir, Wahab, Rahat, Abbas etc. Any wicket-taking spinner will look godly in the Pakistan team, there is simply no one to share the wickets with.

Ashwin and Jadeja's economical bowling gives them an edge on Yasir.

Pakistan's 90's team had great potential, but it was corrupt and Ijaz was a liability at number 3. Yes he was great against Australia due to his good back-foot game, but on slow Asian pitches, he was very ordinary. That team could have achieved greater heights with a world class number 3 batsman.

This young Indian team has a lot of potential and should achieve more than what the gang of Pakistani match-fixers did in the 90's. The Indian team of 2000's was very good but I think this current team has an edge when it comes ti bowling.

India's batting is not weak at all. They have a top class top 5 but they need to select the right team. KL Rahul should not be benched and they need Rahane to rediscover his form. In addition, they have the best pure WK in the world.

Kohli is not invincible but he is still a legendary batsman and his best years are only ahead of him. If he fails on this tour and in the England series, then obviously he will warrant criticism. Nonetheless, he is a great captain and batsman.
 
Please do not state facts. We would all prefer to be jingoistic and chest thump the loudest because we won series on doctored pitches at home. The poster has a stronger love affair for India than most of the Indians on this forum....which tells you a lot. This individual will defend India non stop but you won't find the individual on the forum when Pakistan do well....unless of course when he comes and tells us that all the wins were a series of flukes.

Thank you

Let's be honest, the likes of Azhar Ali and Asad Shafiq are hardly all time greats. Yet they would easily make this Indian team. I am sure that team India will take Shafiq over Sharma any day of the week. And while Azhar is sometimes too defensive for my liking, i will take him over Dhawan any day. Safaraz, as a batter, is well ahead of Saha.

Even a week test team like Pakistan has three batsmen that would easily replace 3 of India's top 6. Not to mention Yasir would be picked ahead of Ashwin.

Pakistan test team ATM is pretty week. Yet i don't think that India are honestly any better. It is true that the usually dull wickets of UAE have helped Pak. But it is nothing compared to the absurdly doctored wickets produced in India. I have never seen anything like that. This team only made it to #1 thanks to playing a high number of games and on absurdly doctored wickets. Its a decent team but nothing to write home about.

Best Asian team of the last 15 years? Lol
 
I think India had great chance when VK and Rohit were batting. It looked these two will take away the game but never felt assured with Rohit but Kohli was the one who disappointed me a lot.

This was the match he could have grabbed by the scruff of its neck and this time there wasn't bowling excuse either. I believe his legacy will be shaped in the coming overseas tours. He is a great test batsmen but its to be seen if he can elevate himself to Tendulkar or Dravid level or not.

If this was odis, he would have won it for India. He was bashing the Lankans for fun by smashing 700 runs in a 3 test series but the real toughness is upfront for him to face particularly in next 2 years.

Like he won the semi final vs aus or like he won the ct final vs pak (odi games)?
 
Yes we will have to agree to disagree. Misbah's team was an average one - it even lost even lost a Test in Zimbabwe, couldn't beat NZ at home, and also lost a Test in the UAE to the WI. The 2-2 in England was a good result but England had an unsettled top-order and Stokes only played 1 Test. In addition, Anderson was nursing a shoulder injury and wasn't at his best.

Moreover, we got lucky because we played them in late summer when the conditions were good. This year, we are touring them in May and a whitewash is on the cards.

Ashwin is better than Yasir in my view. Both are reliant on turning pitches, but when there is no assistance, Yasir gets smashed like no tomorrow. On the contrary, Ashwin is still able to bowl economical spells.

Yasir's inability to stem the flow of runs was a major reason why Australia whitewashed us last year. On the other hand, Ashwin's economical bowling helped India draw two Tests in Australia last time around. Yasir helped us win two matches in England on surfaces that provided assistance, but he got hammered at Old Trafford and Edgbaston.

If Ashwin and Jadeja get similar pitches at Lord's and The Oval, they will also do well.

He is a good spinner but overrated by Pakistani fans. Our Test bowling is garbage at the moment and he is the only wicket-taker, and that is why he stands out compared to the rest. It is not hard to out-bowl Amir, Wahab, Rahat, Abbas etc. Any wicket-taking spinner will look godly in the Pakistan team, there is simply no one to share the wickets with.

Ashwin and Jadeja's economical bowling gives them an edge on Yasir.

Pakistan's 90's team had great potential, but it was corrupt and Ijaz was a liability at number 3. Yes he was great against Australia due to his good back-foot game, but on slow Asian pitches, he was very ordinary. That team could have achieved greater heights with a world class number 3 batsman.

This young Indian team has a lot of potential and should achieve more than what the gang of Pakistani match-fixers did in the 90's. The Indian team of 2000's was very good but I think this current team has an edge when it comes ti bowling.

India's batting is not weak at all. They have a top class top 5 but they need to select the right team. KL Rahul should not be benched and they need Rahane to rediscover his form. In addition, they have the best pure WK in the world.

Kohli is not invincible but he is still a legendary batsman and his best years are only ahead of him. If he fails on this tour and in the England series, then obviously he will warrant criticism. Nonetheless, he is a great captain and batsman.

Just because Yasir got a 10fer does not mean that those wickets were spin friendly wickets. They were not. I would love to see Ashwin bowl on those same wickets. IMO there is no way he will perform nearly as well.

Yasir had very little to do with our Aus whitewash. We had our predictable batting collapses and poor fielding which led to that. Not to mention Yasir was forced to bowl an absurd number of overs due to only having 4 bowlers in the team. The field settings for Yasir were poor as they were overly defensive. Not to mention that the likes of Sohail, Wahab etc could create no pressure whatsoever. Yasir took a beating and could have done better

Talking about favourable wickets, please look at the favourable wickets that Ashwin and Jadeja get at home. The UAE wickets are nothing like that. The Indian wickets are some of the most absurdly doctored wickets i have ever seen. What Yasir has done in the UAE is more impressive than what Ashwin and Jadeja have done on doctored Indian wickets.

Yasir's three great performances in England (and no, none of them were massive turning wickets) gives him an enormous edge over Ashwin and Jadeja. And if Yasir got to regularly bowl on Indian wickets and Ash and Sir Ravi had to bowl on UAE ones, i have no doubt that Yasir would outperform them by some distance.

Pakistan's 90's team were indeed massive underachievers. But i will gladly take a team with Anwar, Inzi, Akram, Akhtar, Saqlain etc over this team. Come on.

This Indian team is not as young as you are making them out to be. How many times has Kohli toured in SA/AUS/ENG/NZ? Pujara? Sharma? They are not novices. Pakistani players do not get one tenth of these chances to develop their overseas game.

They have a decent, hell even good, pace attack. Good for them. That is all they have at the moment. They might be a slightly better test team than Pak ATM but that is it. Considering we have lost Misbah and Younis recently, it will take time to rebuild. But you are massively overrating this Indian team.
 
Sometimes its best not to discuss cricket with strongly biased individuals. They will praise India even when they lose however will critisize Pakistan even when they win. Lol
 
When Pak wins..it was a fluke..when India wins..they are daa greatest team in Asia..
 
To be honest, its the pseudo-Pakistanis and overexcited teenagers from India who are chest-thumping about this series. The sensible ones predicted this would happen to India's batting line-up since the Sri Lankan tour.

The genuine Indian fans are being made to look bad by a few individuals to be honest.
 
Ashwin batted better than a few top order bats and showed better technique. How can Kohli drop him

India need batsmen, not bowlers. Their quartet is good enough to take twenty wickets.
I don't believe India's problems is mainly personnel only. I rate Rahane very highly but he is no Messiah, he alone won't solve India's batting woes.

Ashwin only bowled 7 overs in coastal conditions, I don't see him bowling more up north or having a significant role. Conditions there will be quicker and have more bounce. Hence I'd drop him for an extra bat in Rahane. India need specialist batsmen for these conditions, the more the merrier. In Asia perhaps he can bat at 6, but in these conditions he'll be exposed.

Rohit survived for over an hour on day two in testing conditions against an all time great attack. I don't believe Ashwin would have survived that long. Hence I'd select him, batsmen feed of each other. He might benefit playing in an elongated batting lineup without the added pressure of exposing the tail should he fail. Rahane (an extra bat) might allow him freedom to express himself and play an attacking game. He was too tentative at times, perhaps the price of his wicket is bogging him down.
 
India need batsmen, not bowlers. Their quartet is good enough to take twenty wickets.
I don't believe India's problems is mainly personnel only. I rate Rahane very highly but he is no Messiah, he alone won't solve India's batting woes.

Ashwin only bowled 7 overs in coastal conditions, I don't see him bowling more up north or having a significant role. Conditions there will be quicker and have more bounce. Hence I'd drop him for an extra bat in Rahane. India need specialist batsmen for these conditions, the more the merrier. In Asia perhaps he can bat at 6, but in these conditions he'll be exposed.

Rohit survived for over an hour on day two in testing conditions against an all time great attack. I don't believe Ashwin would have survived that long. Hence I'd select him, batsmen feed of each other. He might benefit playing in an elongated batting lineup without the added pressure of exposing the tail should he fail. Rahane (an extra bat) might allow him freedom to express himself and play an attacking game. He was too tentative at times, perhaps the price of his wicket is bogging him down.

Fair enough. I get your point. Centurion is going to be really hard for India TBH. I wont be surprised if they drop one of the openers and Saha and get Parthiv to double up. Parthiv is a very poor Keeper and Saha is world class, though Saha's technique leaves a lot to be desired in there conditions.
 
To be honest, its the pseudo-Pakistanis and overexcited teenagers from India who are chest-thumping about this series. The sensible ones predicted this would happen to India's batting line-up since the Sri Lankan tour.

The genuine Indian fans are being made to look bad by a few individuals to be honest.
India was never going to win the series but this match was very entertaining to watch, especially against this full strength Saffers team
 
With absolutely no practice whatsoever against a full strength SA side India managed to pick 20 wickets even had a remote chance of winning. But let us not forget Pandya gave that cushion. Also shoddy slip catching of India allowed SA to post more than they should have. SA can afford to make mistakes. India cannot.
 
Bhai, arent you just 26? You haven't seen ANY cricket for a "long, long time".
I have to believe no Pakistani would root for India like that. Certainly no Bangladeshi does.

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] has lot more maturity than you will ever have. Most importantly his ability to set aside bias and not indulge in banal stereotyping is very admirable. Plus he doesn't run away from difficult threads like most of your type do. Backs up his opinion with proper facts and logic something that you can only dream off.
 
India's reckless batting upfront in the first innings, slip catching, ODI team for SA tests . All 3 fixable. SA wanted revenge. You could see that with the intensity they showed. India has decent bowling options. Even reserve options are decent. Just that the batting is less than spectacular
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] has lot more maturity than you will ever have. Most importantly his ability to set aside bias and not indulge in banal stereotyping is very admirable. Plus he doesn't run away from difficult threads like most of your type do. Backs up his opinion with proper facts and logic something that you can only dream off.

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You get schooled each time and then thank you stars I work which means I am not always online. Mamoon is an ok poster but he overdoes the hype wrt India which becomes apparent when they tour.
 
Is it really surprising India lost? Limited team outside its comfort zone and whereas the bowling has improved compared to what they generally take, it isn't as if the bar was very high.

The only surprise was that India were down with a chance to win it after end of first session of Day 4 and for that they can be thankful to a juicy pitch and typical Saffers choke job.

Effectively it was a 10 man Saffer at the end.

Unless Kohli figures out how to play outside off stump, KL Rahul comes in and plays with confidence and the keeper starts contributing with the bat, it will be a 3-0
 
There was as much chance of India winning this test as there was of Pakistan winning Brisbane 2016. Little and dependent on an unexpected, if not utterly, fluke of an innings
 
Is it really surprising India lost? Limited team outside its comfort zone and whereas the bowling has improved compared to what they generally take, it isn't as if the bar was very high.

The only surprise was that India were down with a chance to win it after end of first session of Day 4 and for that they can be thankful to a juicy pitch and typical Saffers choke job.

Effectively it was a 10 man Saffer at the end.

Unless Kohli figures out how to play outside off stump, KL Rahul comes in and plays with confidence and the keeper starts contributing with the bat, it will be a 3-0

Cant disagree with this post... Kohli is however on another world, just coming off his wedding and in lala land. If India is hoping to even get a draw next test match rest of the guys will have to come to the party as Kohli is just not mentally there at the moment.
 
Cant disagree with this post... Kohli is however on another world, just coming off his wedding and in lala land. If India is hoping to even get a draw next test match rest of the guys will have to come to the party as Kohli is just not mentally there at the moment.

In his case especially its an utter joke that there was not a single practise match

but he himself vouches for a practise session over a game so what can one do?
 
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You get schooled each time and then thank you stars I work which means I am not always online.

Ohh really? because it doesn't seem to come in the way of you trolling on multiple threads ? you sure your exits are not because you got owned ... like for example arguing that facing 4 great fast bowlers is the same as facing one of them every other match or when you said Lara is better than SRT because he had multiple big inngs and series and that him not having a single 100 against many great Pakistani / SA bowlers was irrelevant? I could keep going ....

Mamoon is an ok poster but he overdoes the hype wrt India which becomes apparent when they tour.

Then I suggest you debate the points by making proper logical arguments instead of resorting to ad-hominems.
 
Belated new year wishes to everyone!

It was definitely a chance for India to start the series 1-0. There have been many posts pointing fingers on team selection. Some others were portraying the South African bowling attack as unplayable. I have different views.

The selected team was a solid one. What some people need to understand is that a team is selected based on performance; not potential or records of the distant past. It's performance not potential that wins you games. All the selected players are in good form. Dhawan and Vijay in current form were expected to do good. Rohit is the kinda batsman who can score big once he gets the pace and bounce of the wicket and his recent form has been pretty good. Bumrah's selection was the surprise and everyone knew he wouldn't disappoint. Pandya's selection became a necessity to balance the side in South African conditions and it worked. When you select a team for the first game of a series, you always pick one based on recent performance. Rahane was struggling to get bat on ball and Rahul wasn't very convincing either. Someone playing well in a particular country doesn't qualify him for a place in the XI 5 years down the line. Now that we didn't get the expected results, there is scope for some changes. But for the first test, there is no way Kohli could have chosen Rahane ahead of Rohit and Rahul ahead of Dhawan/Vijay.

Now coming to the match, I think it was lost in the first innings. Kohli initially was probably under the illusion that anything below 300 is going to be great. India gave away too many boundaries in the first innings. Someone as incompetent(yes!) as Faf Du Plessis managed to score 12 boundaries! Then they allowed the tail to add 80 runs to the total. The Indians then batted in a typical subcontinent style and lost their wickets to some disciplined and skillful bowling by the South Africans. It certainly wasn't unplayable by any means though. Rohit Sharma was batting like a rabbit caught in the headlight in both innings. That's not how he should be playing. Pandya saved the first innings with some aggressive intent but still they had a good enough lead. The bowlers did a very good job in the second innings too but the batsmen disappointed yet again. There was a good chance for an Indian victory until Kohli was on the crease but the moment he got out playing another subcontinental shot, it was all over. Fingers should be pointed at the batting lineup for the way they played. This match was a challenge for Kohli as a captain too. It wasn't a subcontinent wicket where only wickets (not runs) mattered and the opponents were no Sri Lanka. Indian batsmen have got the message that they can't approach batting in SA so casually and Virat Kohli hopefully learned a new lesson in captaincy as well.

I totally disagree with claims like India would have lost this game irrespective of South Africa's total in first or second innings. I've played a fair number matches and it's my experience that the logical 'if' ---> 'then' doesn't apply to cricket at all. And that's the beauty of cricket. Anything could have happened in this match.

I don't have the Gypsy skills or the confidence of some of the other guys here to predict the outcome of a match even before a single ball is bowled :). All I can say is, I'd be disappointed if the Indians bat the same way in the next Test.
 
India will find it hard to score in 4th innings here. Match was already done and dusted, but Kohli played a gun knock.
 
SA need a hundred runs partnership and Ind is out of this game.
 
India is already out of the game. We can not chase more than 160 with 2-3 passengers in the team and reckless attitude of some batters
 
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