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India (244/4) comprehensively defeat Pakistan (241) by 6 wickets in their group-stage encounter of the ICC Champions Trophy 2025

Yes, that will make the way for NZ and IND to enter into semis. Host country quits in KO stage itself after bringing ICC event after 29 years.
Why will the host country qualify?

Look at the batting, it is the worst among all the teams playing. Not ONE player can play close to 100 SR, even on their best day.

This team will get beat by Bangladesh too at Rawalpindi. Just wait and watch.
 
players under Sky ? lol thats the biggest joke i have read on this forum in long time ...SKY ki khud ki position confirmed nahi hai odi test team mei.

Kohli is an ODI phenomenon ... he can still play over 150 balls running at crazy speeds. something even buttler root williamson smith cant do consistently . When its a slow / difficult pitch no amount of crazy hitting will work... u need maturity and fitness to play through

australia has beaten us in close finals over last few years not because they r much better .. but because of factors that r beyond common man and even ur understanding . match fixing or not, certain players bring a lot of sponsor money to boards and sadly our board rewards them over backing young players to replace them. had we had samson or some better consistent batter in place of kl rahul and others in wc 2023 we could have won.

look at samson .guy is inconsistent. but yes rohit sharma and kl rahul are replaceable ..but board wont do it.

anyways the t20 side now has almost all young turks so lets see where they go .. afas odis are concerned kohli is indispensable .
We lost cause of Kl rahul
Rat kohli slow innings

Useless Rohit fat Rohit falling to Maxwell of all people

Also no pandya no jaiswal and no pant dint help

Aus never beat full strength india

So momingsaigol is wrong as usual

India wins at full strength
 
Reactions of former Pakistan legends on Pakistan losing against India

Wasim Akram speaking during a TV Show:


“Everyone including selectors is to be blamed. I say this because I don't understand what they were thinking when they picked the team. Like these two bowlers, Khushdil Shah and Salman Ali Agha, would trouble the world's best batters on flat wickets.”


Waqar Younis speaking during a TV Show::

“It was a good toss to win and we also like batting first. But there weren’t enough runs on the board and when you don’t score enough runs then this is what happens. You over-try things. There’s a need for discipline in bowling. Indian bowlers were disciplined. We didn’t have enough discipline in our bowling.”

“It’s hard to explain what happened. Today Babar Azam was looking good. Once he got out, Rizwan went in, first ball, bang for four. The intent was there, it seemed like they had a plan and intent that we would put up a good score. I honestly don’t know what happened after. I don’t think anybody knows what happened.”


Shoaib Akhtar speaking on his social media account:


“I am not disappointed at all (by the defeat to India) because I knew what would happen. You can’t select five bowlers, the whole world is playing six bowlers… you go with two all-rounders but this is just brainless and clueless management. I am really disappointed.”

“We can’t blame the kids; The players are just as the team management is! They don’t know what to do. The intent is a different thing, they don’t have the skillsets like Rohit, Virat, and Shubman. Neither they know anything, nor the management. They have just gone to play without any clear direction. No one knows what they should do.”
 
We lost cause of Kl rahul
Rat kohli slow innings

Useless Rohit fat Rohit falling to Maxwell of all people

Also no pandya no jaiswal and no pant dint help

Aus never beat full strength india

So momingsaigol is wrong as usual

India wins at full strength
yes and there was no ashwin and again poor kohli rohit kl show in wtc finals as well
 
This is probably the first time in history beating Bangladesh gave greater satisfaction that yesterday's win.
Bangladesh team will be undisputably better than Pak in a decade. Already better at a junior level so will take a while to trickle to the senior level.

Their economies will be too far apart for it not to.
 
Shoaib Akhtar speaking on his social media account:

“I am not disappointed at all (by the defeat to India) because I knew what would happen. You can’t select five bowlers, the whole world is playing six bowlers… you go with two all-rounders but this is just brainless and clueless management. I am really disappointed.”



So he starts of I am not disappointed & ends on I am really disappointed… which is it?
 
There is truth to what you're saying. However, nothing beats the joy of beating Pakistan, any game, any format, that joyous feeling trumps everything else.
More to do with the fact that you are I assume an older fan.

Even I have some joy but not too much, cause I started watching cricket from the 03 WC. I have seen them win some but lose more so for me Pak is a decent team which can punch up occasionally. For 80s-90s fans different viewpoint.

Current GenZ Indians don't give an f about Pakistan (who started watching from 2007/2011 onwards).

Same thing that has happened with hockey will happen. I became a hockey watcher after India's bronze win in 2021 and post that I have never seen Pak win against Ind in hockey (India is on like a 15, 16 match winning streak against Pak from a decade). Ofc, Pak are such a bad team that they don't even qualify for WC/Olympics but have seen them getting demolished in the "lower" comps like Asian Games, Asian Champion's Trophy etc.
 
More to do with the fact that you are I assume an older fan.

Even I have some joy but not too much, cause I started watching cricket from the 03 WC. I have seen them win some but lose more so for me Pak is a decent team which can punch up occasionally. For 80s-90s fans different viewpoint.

Current GenZ Indians don't give an f about Pakistan (who started watching from 2007/2011 onwards).

Same thing that has happened with hockey will happen. I became a hockey watcher after India's bronze win in 2021 and post that I have never seen Pak win against Ind in hockey (India is on like a 15, 16 match winning streak against Pak from a decade). Ofc, Pak are such a bad team that they don't even qualify for WC/Olympics but have seen them getting demolished in the "lower" comps like Asian Games, Asian Champion's Trophy etc.
Started following cricket from 1987 WC, played in India & Pakistan.

Rest of your points - I agree. However, for my generation, beating Pakistan never gets boring.
 
Started following cricket from 1987 WC, played in India & Pakistan.

Rest of your points - I agree. However, for my generation, beating Pakistan never gets boring.
That's true. I was on a flight yesterday for the first half hour of the game. The captain - a guy in his mid-forties kept giving us updates on the toss and score. The young guy sitting next to me was pretty amused at his and my interest when I started refreshing as soon as we landed. It's not like he had no knowledge of cricket either.

"Of course we'll win uncle" is what he said to me. After I got over being called an 'uncle' by a guy in his late twenties, I was stuck by how little stress he was taking.
 
That's true. I was on a flight yesterday for the first half hour of the game. The captain - a guy in his mid-forties kept giving us updates on the toss and score. The young guy sitting next to me was pretty amused at his and my interest when I started refreshing as soon as we landed. It's not like he had no knowledge of cricket either.

"Of course we'll win uncle" is what he said to me. After I got over being called an 'uncle' by a guy in his late twenties, I was stuck by how little stress he was taking.
lol true.

Even though for many of this generation, yesterday's result was a foregone conclusion but for me, didn't rest easy till it got over. Then I heaved a sigh of relief.
 
Also, this game showed why Kuldeep is so important for our team in all formats. Take out Jadeja if you are desperate to play Varun but don't get him into team at the expense of Kuldeep who is an out and out match winner.
 
Was there any need for Abrar to give such send off to Shubhman Gill.

In return, Indian team gave spicy send off to Pakistan team from Champions trophy
 
That's true. I was on a flight yesterday for the first half hour of the game. The captain - a guy in his mid-forties kept giving us updates on the toss and score. The young guy sitting next to me was pretty amused at his and my interest when I started refreshing as soon as we landed. It's not like he had no knowledge of cricket either.

"Of course we'll win uncle" is what he said to me. After I got over being called an 'uncle' by a guy in his late twenties, I was stuck by how little stress he was taking.
40s guys - lots of tension
30s (like me) - some tension, but not a lot. as long as there isn't some massive chokes, should go through.
20s - doesn't give a damn. their earliest memories are the misbah scoop and mohali etc
 
Was there any need for Abrar to give such send off to Shubhman Gill.

In return, Indian team gave spicy send off to Pakistan team from Champions trophy
don't really mind as long as there is no physical contact or is of a sexual/racist etc nature.
 
It means that there are things beyond his power and control

Maybe he will spill the beans once he leaves the PCB
If that's the case, and he continues to hang on to this job, then he becomes as shameless as everyone else.
 
If that's the case, and he continues to hang on to this job, then he becomes as shameless as everyone else.
But when will the core issue of player power be resolved? The next guy after Aqib will only be the next victim of this issue
 
Also, this game showed why Kuldeep is so important for our team in all formats. Take out Jadeja if you are desperate to play Varun but don't get him into team at the expense of Kuldeep who is an out and out match winner.

Kuldeep is as important as Bumrah or Gill etc dropping him would be madness.
 
But when will the core issue of player power be resolved? The next guy after Aqib will only be the next victim of this issue
Tbh, I do not think player power is what is keeping this team from progressing.

PCB has all the power it needs to make the changes that are needed. Unfortunately, our board and management is not up to speed with the times. We need people who can identify the real issue. Pakistan's batting is decades behind the modern game. Their mentality is stuck in the past. And one of the reason it is stuck in the past is because it serves them well - them being the senior guys.

Someone from the management needs to identify this and take the tough call.

I do not think player power will have any effect if the board backs the management's decision. Our management is just scared of taking tough calls due to media and fans pressure.
 
Pakistan Might Lose Sponsors After Big Defeat To India In Champions Trophy: Report

Those in the know of the functioning of the Pakistan men’s cricket team, the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) and the country’s marketing economy fear that the team might start losing brand value and sponsors after the team’s shoddy performance in the ICC 2025 Champions Trophy at home.

Pakistan lost to New Zealand by 60 runs in the tournament opener and then to arch-rivals India by six wickets on Sunday. Despite the tournament being a decent success in terms of crowd engagement so far, Pakistan’s back-to-back losses have left them on the brink of a group-stage exit and further off-field troubles.

“It was an uplifting experience to see people respond and enjoy a match not involving Pakistan," news agency PTI cited a PCB source as saying. “But now, the challenge is to ensure the crowds keep on coming for the remaining matches in Pakistan, because we are hosting such a big event after 29 years," the source conceded.

“We are guaranteed hosting fees, our share of ICC revenues including ticket sales, but there are other issues like people losing interest in the mega event, broadcasters showing half-filled stadiums etc. And the biggest worry is despite the craze for cricket here, it may not be easy to sell Pakistan cricket as a brand in future," he said.

Board officials are blaming Chairman Mohsin Naqvi for not doing his best to help the team’s performance.

“His focus appeared to be on just the upgrade of the stadiums in Karachi, Lahore and Rawalpindi whereas he forgot that the most important thing was to have a team that could make it to the final in the Champions Trophy because fans relate to performances," the source said.

The report also cited a marketing advertising professional, Tahir Reza, who believes that the PCB’s biggest challenge is to keep fans connected with the team.

“It’s easy to say cricket sells itself in Pakistan but that is not the case because the interest and attachment of fans, sponsors, advertisers, broadcasters is all linked to the performances as well," Tahir said. “If the team does not perform, and that too in a high-profile event like the CT, the sponsor wouldn’t hesitate to invest his money in other public interest domains like music, entertainment, other sports, etc."

Tahir believes that the next edition of the Pakistan Super League (PSL) will show how much of a negative impact the team’s poor show in the Champions Trophy had on the money market.

 
Sunil Gavaskar, while speaking to a local media outlet:

"It will always be there because, you know, there's a history between India and Pakistan. And with that history, there will always be a little edge to any contest between the two, regardless of the sport—be it cricket, hockey, or anything else.”

“No team, especially when they know they won’t win, wants a record set against them—a record of the most centuries, the most five-wicket hauls, or even the lowest runs scored by their own team. These are all records you don’t want against your name.”
“I think the attempt was to bowl a little wider so that Kohli wouldn’t reach 100. Kohli scoring a 90 was acceptable, but Kohli scoring 100 is a big deal—especially against Pakistan. That’s what they didn’t want.”
 
What planet are you on brother?

Planet Earth

We didn’t have our best bowler who is head and shoulders above the rest of the world

Not needed to beat minnows who themsleves domt have anu world class players due to falhar and saim being injured. Its the equivalent of playing Mcgrath against USA. Not a disadvantage.

We did not have one of more attacking middle order batsman.

Same as before. No need to play viv Richards against Nepal. Not a disadvantage.

And we did not even select our best bowlers out of the 16 we selected.

Same as before.

And we lost the toss on a pitch that deteriorates.

Doesnt change the fact that a weakened Pakistan isnt beating a marginally weaker india when a c tesm india could beat pak at full strength in odi.

none of these are disadvantages.
Well we agree on something: Pakistan is not a match for a the Indian C Team.
 
players under Sky ? lol thats the biggest joke i have read on this forum in long time ...SKY ki khud ki position confirmed nahi hai odi test team mei.

Kohli is an ODI phenomenon ... he can still play over 150 balls running at crazy speeds. something even buttler root williamson smith cant do consistently . When its a slow / difficult pitch no amount of crazy hitting will work... u need maturity and fitness to play through

australia has beaten us in close finals over last few years not because they r much better .. but because of factors that r beyond common man and even ur understanding . match fixing or not, certain players bring a lot of sponsor money to boards and sadly our board rewards them over backing young players to replace them. had we had samson or some better consistent batter in place of kl rahul and others in wc 2023 we could have won.

look at samson .guy is inconsistent. but yes rohit sharma and kl rahul are replaceable ..but board wont do it.

anyways the t20 side now has almost all young turks so lets see where they go .. afas odis are concerned kohli is indispensable .
For SKY - did I mention ODIs anywhere ? Yes, Ind under SKY in T20s is totally selfless led by the acts of the captain himself.

And about Kohli. Yes , he is an ATG great and "was" an ODI phenom. Absolutely. No questions there. But his past is way behind him. Underperformed last 5 years ! Any other player would get a century once in a while if he's given that many chances. Please dont glorify a single selfish player at the expense of Ind and Ind cricket team. Ans he must have dropped literally 100 catches over the past 5 years. All of that is swept under the carpet by his PR team like you. Maybe you can fool some ignorant Kohli fans, but sorry you ain't fooling any Ind cricket followers and fans here.

So Aus beat Ind bcos its beyond my understanding LOL . So can you share your expert thoughts on what happened. Aus played better, planned and executed better, bowled to their plans, fielded like cheetahs and batted positively thats why they won. They didnt bat like timid mental midget Klrahul. And an FYI. The 23 WC final was not on Kohli at all - it was all on Klrahul. Infact if Kohli was tehre longer , Ind would have gotten to a more competetive 280 plus or so. So, I dont criticize Kohli just for the sake of it FYI. Point still stays. No ODI ICC events till 2027 and no way Kohli should be a part of it, so this CT should be his last ODI event and thats the direction I am guessing BCCi & Gambhir are going with as well.
 
It was an expected result, if you look at results in last 10 to 12 years years between these two teams


CT 2013 - India won by 8 wkts
Asia cup 2014 - India lost by 1 wkt in last over
2015 WC Adelaide : India won by 76 runs
2017 CT league game : India won by 124 runs
2017 CT final : India lost by 180 runs
2018 Asia cup (Dubai) : India won by 8 wkts
2018 Asia cup (Dubai) : India won by 9 wkts
2019 WC (Manchester) : India won by 89 runs
2023 Asia Cup( SL) : Rain ..... no result
2023 Asia Cup( SL) : India won by 228 runs
WC 2023 India won by 7 wkts in 31 overs
CT 2025 India won by 6 wkts in 43rd over chasing 241.
 
40s guys - lots of tension
30s (like me) - some tension, but not a lot. as long as there isn't some massive chokes, should go through.
20s - doesn't give a damn. their earliest memories are the misbah scoop and mohali etc
Which isnt good for our cardiac health either, two weeks out from any Ind/Pak;Pak/Ind match, wife puts me on no salt no oil diet and checks my life insurance's upto date....
 
Former Australia captain Michael Clarke expressed his surprise over Pakistan's playing XI in their Champions Trophy match against India on Sunday:

"Pakistan have struggled to deal with the expectation and pressure of playing a major tournament in their backyard. So before a ball was delivered, I could not comprehend how they could. Apart from one change due to injury, Fakhar Zaman was out with that injury sustained in the first game, they made no other changes. They're playing in entirely different conditions. The conditions in Dubai on that pitch are virtually the opposite of what they just played against New Zealand, yet just one force changed. I could not believe what I was watching,"

"It's okay to have a bad plan, but a bad plan is better than no plan. Pakistan, to me, I don't know what their plan was. I don't know what their plan was with selection. I don't know their plan with how they went about the start of their innings. I don't know what their plan was against spin, which they, you know, are very good spin players. I don't know what their plan was to beat India. You can't turn up to the biggest game of the tournament. It was like a final for these two teams without a plan, and that's how it looked to me," he added.

"I go back to the start of the tournament, when I said that would be my biggest concern with Pakistan. It's not talent; it's not potential. They have plenty of it. But unfortunately, I think they're gone. I don't think they can make the top four now. To me, this is probably the tournament I'm looking closer at Pakistan than any other ICC tournament. I know this game was in Dubai, but virtually, it's been their second cricketing home when they haven't been able to play inside Pakistan, so they know those conditions so well. The game against New Zealand-they just played New Zealand and South Africa in a tri-series-their preparation and form were perfect. Leading into this tournament, it would only be the mind, the expectation, and that fear of failure that would set them back or let them down. And again, it's not just performance or winning and losing; it's how you're winning and how you're losing. Sometimes, as a captain, senior player, coach, or administrator, you've got to look at. If you keep making the same mistakes or expecting to, you know, pick the same 11 and get different results, play the same brand of cricket and get different results, or make the same decision to get different results, it can't happen,"
 
Reactions of former Pakistan legends on Pakistan losing against India

Wasim Akram speaking during a TV Show:


“Everyone including selectors is to be blamed. I say this because I don't understand what they were thinking when they picked the team. Like these two bowlers, Khushdil Shah and Salman Ali Agha, would trouble the world's best batters on flat wickets.”


Waqar Younis speaking during a TV Show::

“It was a good toss to win and we also like batting first. But there weren’t enough runs on the board and when you don’t score enough runs then this is what happens. You over-try things. There’s a need for discipline in bowling. Indian bowlers were disciplined. We didn’t have enough discipline in our bowling.”

“It’s hard to explain what happened. Today Babar Azam was looking good. Once he got out, Rizwan went in, first ball, bang for four. The intent was there, it seemed like they had a plan and intent that we would put up a good score. I honestly don’t know what happened after. I don’t think anybody knows what happened.”


Shoaib Akhtar speaking on his social media account:


“I am not disappointed at all (by the defeat to India) because I knew what would happen. You can’t select five bowlers, the whole world is playing six bowlers… you go with two all-rounders but this is just brainless and clueless management. I am really disappointed.”

“We can’t blame the kids; The players are just as the team management is! They don’t know what to do. The intent is a different thing, they don’t have the skillsets like Rohit, Virat, and Shubman. Neither they know anything, nor the management. They have just gone to play without any clear direction. No one knows what they should do.”
Waqar becomes the greatest tactician when he is on air. Why didnt he implement anything that he says during his tenure ?
 
Reactions of former Pakistan legends on Pakistan losing against India

Wasim Akram speaking during a TV Show:


“Everyone including selectors is to be blamed. I say this because I don't understand what they were thinking when they picked the team. Like these two bowlers, Khushdil Shah and Salman Ali Agha, would trouble the world's best batters on flat wickets.”


Waqar Younis speaking during a TV Show::

“It was a good toss to win and we also like batting first. But there weren’t enough runs on the board and when you don’t score enough runs then this is what happens. You over-try things. There’s a need for discipline in bowling. Indian bowlers were disciplined. We didn’t have enough discipline in our bowling.”

“It’s hard to explain what happened. Today Babar Azam was looking good. Once he got out, Rizwan went in, first ball, bang for four. The intent was there, it seemed like they had a plan and intent that we would put up a good score. I honestly don’t know what happened after. I don’t think anybody knows what happened.”


Shoaib Akhtar speaking on his social media account:


“I am not disappointed at all (by the defeat to India) because I knew what would happen. You can’t select five bowlers, the whole world is playing six bowlers… you go with two all-rounders but this is just brainless and clueless management. I am really disappointed.”

“We can’t blame the kids; The players are just as the team management is! They don’t know what to do. The intent is a different thing, they don’t have the skillsets like Rohit, Virat, and Shubman. Neither they know anything, nor the management. They have just gone to play without any clear direction. No one knows what they should do.”

Another one:

Javed Miandad speaking about Pakistan’s defat against India in ICC Champions Trophy match:

"(It is) useless blaming the system, selectors and all that. The question is, are these selected players short on anything? Does not the PCB take care of them? Are they not paid enough? So where is the passion and fire and professionalism to perform in big matches and tournaments?"

"Truth is, our players were under pressure even before the match began. Look at their body language, not one of them appeared to be in a mood to dominate Indian bowlers."
 
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