India (282/3) beat South Africa (278/7) by 7 wickets in the 2nd ODI at Ranchi

[Ab Fan]

Bhuvi and Harshal are not part of the ODI side. It's recently been something like Bunrah, Shami, Prasidh/Siraj, Chahal.

There is a lot more clarity with ODI bowling attack.

Bumrah
Shami
Siraj
Prasidh

That's four men who will be in our ODI squad. One of Thakur or Chahar will be there as a bowling A/R.

 

[ezhil]

It is like India always won every world cup before dhoni and he was the reason for all losses after 2019....India always had worser captains and keeper than dhoni....he is finisher, wicket keeper and adviser to team combined and how these selfish fans call him out like he is a specialist batsman

May be blind dada and statchin fans griping

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Lot of dhoni haters here.....he played after 2015 because he was asked by team management and shastri to guide budding captain Kohli in ODIs .
As a keeper there was no better than him,only his strike rotation and big hitting failed him due to his age...even in semifinals he tried his best..
Besides there was immature pant and DK was also in team....so no point in hating dhoni blindly...

In this T20 generation,PPL has no patience and easily disrespect a true legend..

Kohli and Rohit are next in their list.

 

[Rajdeep]

Lot of dhoni haters here.....he played after 2015 because he was asked by team management and shastri to guide budding captain Kohli in ODIs .
As a keeper there was no better than him,only his strike rotation and big hitting failed him due to his age...even in semifinals he tried his best..
Besides there was immature pant and DK was also in team....so no point in hating dhoni blindly...

In this T20 generation,PPL has no patience and easily disrespect a true legend..

Thw reason people go after Dhoni bcoz he never followed the same principles he once set. When he was appointed captain, he dropped all legends back then like Ganguly, Dravid, VVS etc from white ball cricket. It was a great move and it got us WC 2011. Then after the world cup, he slowly started cornering Viru, Gambhir and forced Sachin to retire saying he want fresh legs. Good move again but all the 3 players were in a better batting form than Dhoni himself was after 2015. So if Dhoni went onto play himself, Viru, SRT and Gambo definitely could have played the 2015 WC.

Again, I am not saying what Dhoni did was wrong. Ofcourse as captain you want young, fresh and hungry players. But the principles he set didnt apply for himself when he got old. Dhoni, the batsman we knew and loved was finished after 2013 CT. At max he should have played 2015 WC and retire. Not only did he stuck around for 2019 WC and wanted to even play T20 WC in 2020 (a format where he has got only 1 50). Then covid came and he was forced to retire.

Even now in IPL, he is still the captain of CSK when in real world he should be playing legends league. Watching CSK games are like watching veterans charity match, thanks to Dhoni's selfishness and desire to stick around.

So it is not that people are not respecting legend of MS Dhoni but its just that people are questioning the principles he once set for the team.

 

[Mp812]

Shreyas Iyer has hit 458 runs in 9 ODI innings in 2022 at an average of 57.25

 

[jnaveen1980]

2019 middle order was absolute crap. Washed up Dhoni was one of the worst ODI batsmen in the world at that point and we carried him.

India had to chance to eliminate England from semi final altogether. Chasing 337 India was 198/2 at 36th over. India needed 140 in 14 overs with 8 wickets in hand. When Dhoni walked in RRR was 11 RPO. He pushed to 14 with his tuk tuk. England would have been history. It was not even a must win match for India.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

India had to chance to eliminate England from semi final altogether. Chasing 337 India was 198/2 at 36th over. India needed 140 in 14 overs with 8 wickets in hand. When Dhoni walked in RRR was 11 RPO. He pushed to 14 with his tuk tuk. England would have been history. It was not even a must win match for India.

I actually don't blame him for that chase. That pitch was at it's fastest for the 1st 20 overs and by the time of the last 10 overs of the match, it had slowed down considerably and strokeplay was harder.

England had luck in terms of toss. For me, the bigger blunder was Dhoni not asking Kohli to review when Roy had edged it when the score was less than 50.

England would probably have reached just about 300 and we mightve chased despite the pitch slowing down

For someone who is highly rated for his decision making behind the stumps, he really did flop with that one.

 

[Ab Fan]

Dhawan in last 2.5 years has been striking at close to 80 while rest of the Indian batsman have been striking at over 90.

India really need to look beyond Dhawan as he doesn't seem to be the player he was at its peak. His average is good but he has maintained that due to start padding.

Preferably, India can look beyond Dhawan in their 15 man squad too.

Rohit, Gill ,Kohli, Pant, KL, Shreyas, Pandya, Jadeja, Samson, Axar, Chahal, Bumrah, Shami, Siraj, D Chahar/Shardul.

 

[ezhil]

Yuvraj was washed up after his cancer and his godawful form in T20 world cup 2014...
The test losses in 2011 was not due to dhoni captaincy...we all got carried away by odi cricket World Cup win but that 2 test series losses vs australia and eng in 2011 was the awakening moment in Indian cricket history that we need different teams for different formats ..
Where actually our fans lost their patience demanding win in every series or finals which is virtually impossible ever...
While the 2011 test series losses was attributed to dhoni captaincy,the real truth was spoken that time by Lankan legend ranatunga who came in support of dhoni ...India never produced earth shattering pacers only some decent bowling combo took some series drawing win in 2000 test series of ganguly...the biggest myth is ganguly the greatest test captain..which is always laughable since every time Rahul,laxman,Sachin, sehwag , harbhajan were the match winner or bail him out to draws...how many matches ganguly won defending runs below 150...in all overseas victories in 2000 how many important centuries ganguly scored in these wins(1vs eng).he drew test series in aus and eng, but he lost to aus in India 2004,won against weak pak without Many stalwarts in 2004 his only great achievement...he lost in Lanka ,s.africa, new zealand every test series and odi series..
These batters who saved ganguly in their prime was finished in 2011
Sehwag and gambhir -walking wickets
Sachin searching for his ever elusive 100
Dravid scored 3 100s but the games were done for and in aus 2012 he was a shadow of his own...
Laxman was also useless and we all saw the picture of dhoni struggle in the middle with 70-80/5.
Then jumped these blind Bengali fans and some curd rice guys and the assh**** yograj who could not tolerate that a guy from a lower caste won India the world cup...it has happened twice now...with Kapil dev

India was so bad before ganguly so that some guys hail him...in reality who watched these matches ganguly is not even half of dhoni or Kohli ....who will be the best odi and test captains of India respectively

 

[jnaveen1980]

I actually don't blame him for that chase. That pitch was at it's fastest for the 1st 20 overs and by the time of the last 10 overs of the match, it had slowed down considerably and strokeplay was harder.

England had luck in terms of toss. For me, the bigger blunder was Dhoni not asking Kohli to review when Roy had edged it when the score was less than 50.

England would probably have reached just about 300 and we mightve chased despite the pitch slowing down

For someone who is highly rated for his decision making behind the stumps, he really did flop with that one.

Dhoni looked the same regardless of the pitch. Always will leave it to end overs.

 

[ezhil]

No Australian gripes on Bevan who usually takes it to the final over....sin to be a cricketer in india

 

[Ab Fan]

Imagine Bevan pushing himself beyond his expiry date till 2007 World Cup.

He had one bad year in 2004 and he decides to retire as he knew he was done.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

No Australian gripes on Bevan who usually takes it to the final over....sin to be a cricketer in india

Awww stop this whining bro.

There is a difference between taking it to the deep when necessary....and taking it deep needlessly.

Someone should post all the winnable games that Dhoni took to the deep and lost.

Even the famous win against Aus which Dhoni finished with a 112m six was needlessly taken to the deep.

Dhoni played a HUGE role in 2017 CT and 2019 WC losses.

As I predicted, he retired from cricket in a sad fashion.

Be it tests or ODIs.

He is a legend but he totally deserves the fate that he got.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

I actually don't blame him for that chase. That pitch was at it's fastest for the 1st 20 overs and by the time of the last 10 overs of the match, it had slowed down considerably and strokeplay was harder.

England had luck in terms of toss. For me, the bigger blunder was Dhoni not asking Kohli to review when Roy had edged it when the score was less than 50.

England would probably have reached just about 300 and we mightve chased despite the pitch slowing down

For someone who is highly rated for his decision making behind the stumps, he really did flop with that one.

Did Dhoni atleast try to win?

 

[WengerOut]

Dhoni was done after 2015. But he did not walk his talk even after it was clear that he was past it. Dhoni fans started changing the narrative to whatever it was helping them to argue he needs to be in the team. Some of their gems,

He needs to be in the team for his captaincy and when he lost captaincy, he needed to be in the team to help new captain.

He is the fastest stumper and he can do splits.

Etc etc


We never hear of Jadejas innings in 2019 SF. It is all Dhoni fighting till the end and his run out which cost india the match. It was Jadejas innings which brought India back into the match. I still remember Dhoni's forward defense when there were only 14 balls remaining.


I also remember a T20 match in 2017 against NZ. Chasing 190 odd, Ind lost wickets and were 60 odd for 4. Kohli was joined by Dhoni. Dhoni started his tuk tuk and it was all left to Kohli to accelarate. Kohli got out after 60 and Dhoni continued tuk tuk and reached a stage when he was 28 off 28 deliveries and India required 65 from last 2 overs. India could score only 20 odd runs and Dhoni remained not out at a "respectable" 49 off 37 balls. As usual Dhoni "fought" till the end. This was the kind of con job he continued after 2015.

 

[ezhil]

how can anyone predict that these matches were taken to the deep intentionally that too in international cricket...very laughable that too take to the last over intentionally...

Wow ganguly,dravid ,Sachin,laxman,sehwag,gambhir,bhajji we all know how they exited...the way dhoni exited in his own terms was far more great these exits...
Dhoni has no role in both these losses u mentioned...he was a mentor ,wicket keeper and aged finisher whom bcci persisted to play after 2015 not stubborn or selfishness as u claim..

 

[ezhil]

Bevan didn't retire as his own....the aus selection didn't select him based on his domestic and recent int performances.so he hung his boots ..
Dhoni was not a captain in these years after 2017 to push ...he played because the shastri Kohli management persisted with ...

 

[ezhil]

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[Ab Fan]

One of the biggest excuse by Dhoni fans going into 2019 WC was that since Indian middle order is weak, Dhoni is needed to provide stability especially if India loses a few early wickets.

But come the semi final, look what he did. He hid down the order and sent a young Pant and inexperienced Pandya to recover India from a collapse. Before Pandya, he also sent DK who by then was only good for finishing role.

Thankfully, Jadeja played a masterclass which gave Dhoni fans a delusion or rather an excuse that had he stayed till end, Dhoni would have won India the match.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

One of the biggest excuse by Dhoni fans going into 2019 WC was that since Indian middle order is weak, Dhoni is needed to provide stability especially if India loses a few early wickets.

But come the semi final, look what he did. He hid down the order and sent a young Pant and inexperienced Pandya to recover India from a collapse. Before Pandya, he also sent DK who by then was only good for finishing role.

Thankfully, Jadeja played a masterclass which gave Dhoni fans a delusion or rather an excuse that had he stayed till end, Dhoni would have won India the match.

What a serial liar lol. Dhoni wasn't even the captain so how can he send Pant and Pandya above him? It was a team decision. How hard is it to accept those two overhyped players choked under pressure.

Ravi Shastri Clears The Air On MS Dhoni's Batting Position In World Cup 2019 Semi-Final

"It was a team decision. Everyone was in with it -- and it was a simple decision, too. Last thing you wanted was Dhoni coming out to bat early and getting out -- that would have killed the chase," Shastri was quoted as saying by the Indian Express.

https://sports.ndtv.com/world-cup-2...position-in-world-cup-2019-semi-final-2068827

Too bad for you that Dhoni wasn't in the last T20 WC otherwise you would have blamed him for that as well.

You are full of lies lol. Twisting stats to suit your agenda is one of your other quality which was exposed in the stats padding thread.

 

[Ab Fan]

Pant and Pandya scored 35 of 60 when India's score was 6/4 and 24/5 and required rate was around 5. That is poor innings according to some folks.

But the real crisis man( as hailed by his fans before the tournament) who hid down the order then came to bat at 91/6 when the required rate was 7+ with Jadeja playing a masterclass at other end, he ended up with a score of 50 of 72 balls. That is not choking under pressure though according to his fans lol.

Coming to what Ravi Shastri said later, looks like I hit a nerve there. Obviously Shastri is gonna speak as neutral and not put the blame on any particular player. That is what everyone does inspite of whoever's decision it was to his Dhoni down the order.

<B>The real catch here is that Dhoni inspite of being such a powerful personality was told by someone that you are not supposed to go to bat next. But you will go to bat at no 8 position today</B>. :91

 

[Ab Fan]

Pant and Pandya scored 35 of 60 when India's score was 6/4 and 24/5 and required rate was around 5. That is poor innings according to some folks.

But the real crisis man( as hailed by his fans before the tournament) who hid down the order then came to bat at 91/6 when the required rate was 7+ with Jadeja playing a masterclass at other end, he ended up with a score of 50 of 72 balls. That is not choking under pressure though according to his fans lol.

Coming to what Ravi Shastri said later, looks like I hit a nerve there. Obviously Shastri is gonna speak as neutral and not put the blame on any particular player. That is what everyone does inspite of whoever's decision it was to his Dhoni down the order.

<B>The real catch here is that Dhoni inspite of being such a powerful personality was told by someone that you are not supposed to go to bat next. But you will go to bat at no 8 position today</B>. :91

^ and he agreed to that

 

[Ab Fan]

Another catch is that Dhoni who was done by 2015 was playing only as a shadow Captain and helping Kohli and Shastri in decisions making. That is why he stayed till 2019 WC according to his fans. But come the 2019 WC semis, he is now playing as a specialist batsman according to his fans and has no role in captaincy decisions even though the decison is about his batting position only in a knockout game.

Conclusion - Jaha credit lena hai, waha apna naam badha do aur jaha criticism ho raha, waha chup chaap se khishak jao

 

[ezhil]

Dhoni fans never say that we would have won semifinal by his batting alone...what has dhoni to do when he is not captain in this match..hiding players don't play for country..... actually by jadeja innings we came very close helped by dhoni ...

Real crisis man before 2019 world cup.??claimed by dhoni fans.. should get the weed he is smoking

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

^^ Not surprised to see you have no answer to that and just posting for the sake of it now that I have backed it with an article. Never lie again here.

 

[ezhil]

No body told he was a specialist batsman....helping a captain to take decisions is not having role to take decisions.ultimately coach and captain decides at match situation...this is not college seniors to let them handle their own decisions and sit back and relax at pressure situation...
What ignorant fans

 

[Ab Fan]

Haha as usual Dhoni fans showing their hypocrisy.

According to these fans, Dhoni was helping Kohli and Shastri in making captaincy decisions from 2015-19 but guess what he didn't involved himself when it comes to the decision of his own batting position in a World Cup semi final.

Massive fallacy as usual, should rather check around for the weed that these liers are smoking..

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Dhoni fans never say that we would have won semifinal by his batting alone...what has dhoni to do when he is not captain in this match..hiding players don't play for country..... actually by jadeja innings we came very close helped by dhoni ...

Real crisis man before 2019 world cup.??claimed by dhoni fans.. should get the weed he is smoking

They still can't believe how Pant and Pandya bottled it in the semi final of the world cup. Their two scapegoats were obviously going to be Jadeja and Dhoni. Jadeja surprised them i that match so Dhoni had to take all the blame alone but Jadeja became the only scapegoat after Dhoni's retirement. There are no Dhoni and Jadeja in the upcoming World Cup though.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Haha as usual Dhoni fans showing their hypocrisy.

According to these fans, Dhoni was helping Kohli and Shastri in making captaincy decisions from 2015-19 but guess what he didn't involved himself when it comes to the decision of his own batting position in a World Cup semi final.

Massive fallacy as usual, should rather check around for the weed that these liers are smoking..

If you have proof of that then post, otherwise don't embarrass yourself and just

 

[ezhil]

Power cut in their house bcoz of dhoni
Ur girl friend pregnant bcoz of dhoni
No water supply bcoz of dhoni
Similar to modi hate ...,,

Wat u want dhoni has to beg kholi to go top order batting???these curd rice guys would not question 50/5 ....then blame dhoni 50 off 65 balls when the going was tough??

 

[Rajdeep]

They still can't believe how Pant and Pandya bottled it in the semi final of the world cup. Their two scapegoats were obviously going to be Jadeja and Dhoni. Jadeja surprised them i that match so Dhoni had to take all the blame alone but Jadeja became the only scapegoat after Dhoni's retirement. There are no Dhoni and Jadeja in the upcoming World Cup though.

KL, Rohit & Kohli scored 1 run each in that chase and India were 5/3. That is when we lost the match. DK also scored only 6 runs and couldn't manage his bat speed and gave a catching practice in point. Pant and Pandya actually steadied the ship and looked good in the context of the game with both scoring 32 runs each. So no, they didn't bottle the chase...your anti Pant/Pandya bias is getting nauseating.

Also, no one blamed Dhoni for that semi final loss. Could he have scored little quicker? Perhaps yes but the loss is not on him. Dhoni was blamed for sticking to the team for too long. His batting around 2019 was touch worse than what Sachin/Viru is batting now in legends league cricket and had no business playing that world cup. A young keeper like Rishab Pant who was coming after a brilliant season in 2018 should have played that tournament from the beginning. Put it this way, when MSD was captain and there was a struggling senior in the team like MSD of 2019, he would have dropped him without 2nd thought for young players. That was the difference and that is why MS was such a good captain in white ball cricket and Kohli's wasn't.

 

[ezhil]

India was winner of world cups from 1992-2007....every world cup winner only
we lost only 2015&2019 bcoz of dhoni.
India was the winner of 2017 champion trophy and dhoni single handedly bottled by dhoni ..

According to dhoni haters....

 

[ezhil]

Blind fans would not question
1996 semifinals exit and still claim Azhar is a better captain
Blind fans won't question 54 all out by great maharaj and umpteen chokes in odi finals

Blind fans will go for Dhoni's throat for his late years persistence
Blind fans won't question the captain of year 1997 the worst international cricket performance by India in 1990s

Like India was like Australia and dhoni single handedly spoiled their chances,

 

[Sidilicious]

So blaming Pant who came in 24/4 and playing his 9th ODI match, and not the batsmen who came at 90/6 and had played more than 300 matches? This is getting ridiculous

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

So blaming Pant who came in 24/4 and playing his 9th ODI match, and not the batsmen who came at 90/6 and had played more than 300 matches? This is getting ridiculous

In a fair world, top order should be blamed for that loss but since you guys are busy blaming Dhoni alone without even mentioning the names of Pandya, Pant and Karthik, others have to remind you.

These are the strike rates of all the batsmen in that match :

KL - 14.28
Rohit - 25
Kohli - 16.66
Pant - 57.14
Karthik - 24
Pandya - 51.61
Dhoni - 69.44
Jadeja - 130.50

Dhoni and Jadeja were responsible for bringing India back into that match. Even a 5 year old kid knows that an old Dhoni was there to anchor the inning, he wasn't the peak Dhoni who used to finish the matches for India and he should have been sent at 4. It was a big blunder by Team Management to send Pant, Pandya and Karthik above. May be TM thought they will finish off the match with their big hitting but they started tuk tuking under pressure. It is pretty clear Dhoni was made the only scapegoat in that match by Pant and Pandya fans.

It is a known habit of most of our fans when any player starts getting old they blame him for every loss. Have seen it happened to Sachin, Ganguly, Dravid, Yuvraj, Dhoni and very soon it will be Kohli.

And this Dhoni playing 300 matches is a stupud argument because if that was the case Team Management wouldn't have sent two noobs to bat above him in a critical situation.

 

[ezhil]

No body blames no one here....it is a team loss but dhoni gets all the blame for clt17 and wc19 by blind dhoni haters

 

[ezhil]

Dhoni always considered retirement but this shastri Kohli management wanted him to stay and milked out an aging legend for odi team balance.
He provided perfect wicket keeping,and some help in field tactics to Kohli but he can't decide his batting position by himself... clearly he was on the wane.and his big hitting skills were a shadow of his past..besides pant was immature and dk played in the team...
Question shastri not dhoni

 

[WengerOut]

Dhoni always considered retirement but this shastri Kohli management wanted him to stay and milked out an aging legend for odi team balance.
He provided perfect wicket keeping,and some help in field tactics to Kohli but he can't decide his batting position by himself... clearly he was on the wane.and his big hitting skills were a shadow of his past..besides pant was immature and dk played in the team...
Question shastri not dhoni

Welcome to PP Dhoni bhai...

 

[Ab Fan]

Dhoni fans after getting a reality check on being proven that how he costed his team the tournament by playing beyond expiry date:-

" Why not blame Ganguly for the losses in 2000s, why not blame Azharuddin for 1996 loss?"

Haha, this is what happens when you dont have response to answering that <B>how Dhoni had no role in deciding which position he is supposed to bat in a World Cup semi final</B> but still not shy of claiming that he was playing for years to help the captain and team management with guidance and decisions.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

What a serial liar lol. Dhoni wasn't even the captain so how can he send Pant and Pandya above him? It was a team decision. How hard is it to accept those two overhyped players choked under pressure.

Ravi Shastri Clears The Air On MS Dhoni's Batting Position In World Cup 2019 Semi-Final

"It was a team decision. Everyone was in with it -- and it was a simple decision, too. Last thing you wanted was Dhoni coming out to bat early and getting out -- that would have killed the chase," Shastri was quoted as saying by the Indian Express.

https://sports.ndtv.com/world-cup-2...position-in-world-cup-2019-semi-final-2068827

Too bad for you that Dhoni wasn't in the last T20 WC otherwise you would have blamed him for that as well.

You are full of lies lol. Twisting stats to suit your agenda is one of your other quality which was exposed in the stats padding thread.

Dhoni fans after getting a reality check on being proven that how he costed his team the tournament by playing beyond expiry date:-

" Why not blame Ganguly for the losses in 2000s, why not blame Azharuddin for 1996 loss?"

Haha, this is what happens when you dont have response to answering that <B>how Dhoni had no role in deciding which position he is supposed to bat in a World Cup semi final</B> but still not shy of claiming that he was playing for years to help the captain and team management with guidance and decisions.

Leave him alone. He is a newbie here. I have given you the link where Shastri himself said it was team's decision. Now if you have a proof that it was Dhoni's decision then post it, otherwise just

 

[ezhil]

Blind dhoni haters don't see the fact multiple times I have stated that Kohli shastri management wanted dhoni to contribute in some sort to world cup win .
No idea abt winning finals probably like ab d Villiers who choke out in knockouts so ...I guess his fans has failure mentally and blame others and no idea abt tournament knockouts

 

[Ab Fan]

Alright, so this is the catch. Multiple account spotted

Nevermind, I am putting the second account on ignore list too like I have put BVB on ignore list in the morning itself.

Anyways, Dhoni fans and their hypocrisy has been exposed.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Alright, so this is the catch. Multiple account spotted

Nevermind, I am putting the second account on ignore list too like I have put BVB on ignore list in the morning itself.

Anyways, Dhoni fans and their hypocrisy has been exposed.

Wow what a way to run away. I am still waiting for your reply in stats padding thread.

 

[ezhil]

One chicken spotted