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India [285/7] beat Hong Kong [259/8] by 26 runs in the fourth match of the 2018 Asia Cup

Like I said Mushfiqur is the best wicket-keeper batsman in Asia by miles.

Dhoni has been done for a while.
 
Duckworth Lewis said:
Because are playing leisurely and don't intend to crush HK. There is no point wasting there energies against a nothing side in a meanigless match especially with a bigger match coming in some hours.
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We will get crushed by Pakistan tomorrow, with parasites like Dhoni in the team and No Kohli, only defeat is possible.
 
As usual. Its the top order or bust for India.

DK, Dhoni and Jadhav are a joke.

Shameful that Shaw, Pant are being made to wait to accommodate these hasbeens and neverbeens.
 
Pant should be brought in asap. Dhoni should leave the team when he is respected and that is right now
 
Dios said:
Like I said Mushfiqur is the best wicket-keeper batsman in Asia by miles.

Dhoni has been done for a while.
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Not just Asia, in the world. Or what about the galaxy? probably in the whole universe.
 
Not good signs for India.... the weak middle order being exposed by Hong Kong of all teams :facepalm:
 
Syed1 said:
Not good signs for India.... the weak middle order being exposed by Hong Kong of all teams :facepalm:
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The best gift Pakistan can give tomorrow is crush this pathetic team, Kohli has been hiding the weakness of this team since last few years.
 
Wondering If same team will play tomorrow and who 'll be replaced? may be KL Rahul in place of Rayudu? still again its top 3 or burst...:danish
 
ego-gambit said:
Best thing will happen If India lose to pakistan we will get rid of Ravi shastri before WC 19.
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No need to rejoice, Dhoni is not going anywhere before world cup. Kohli controls selection and team direction, that is why he got Kumble removed and got himself a cheerleader, so Shastri is not spoiling anything when the real problem is selections.
 
In hind sight seeing how the Indian batting is going against Hong Kong I am glad we batted second in our match against them. Otherwise delusional fans with high expectations would have created hysteria over the fact that we didn't score 450+ against a minnow like Hong Kong and that Fakhar failed to score 200+ runs.
 
Against Pakistan, the 3 changes will be

KL Rahul in place of DK
Pandya in place of Shardul Thakur
Bumrah in place of Khaleel

Even then, Indian batting is only Top 3. After Rohit/Dhawan/KL, there is no batting left.

Dhoni will shamelessly play till the WC. We will keep giving chances to TTF's like DK, Pandey and Jadhav at the expense of modern day LOI batsmen like Pant, Shaw, Gill etc.
 
Syed1 said:
Not good signs for India.... the weak middle order being exposed by Hong Kong of all teams :facepalm:
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Our Middle order has been in shambles for almost 4 years now. We have tried 4 or 5 guys since then and all of them are failures. But we keep giving the same bunch more chances hoping that these sheep will some day roar.
 
We will get crushed by Pakistan.

Expect Pak to dismiss Dhawan, Rohit and KL for under 100 runs. Then our middle order will eek out 50 runs and Dhoni will remain not out.
 
After seeing quite a few comments from Indian bros in last days that no one in India cares about this tournament i just saw twitter trends and to my surprise #IndvshK is no 1 in Indian twitter trends. If no one cares then how a match against hong Kong is trending no 1 or no one cares in lala land??
 
Honestly seeing how weak the middle order is, when Kohli comes back he should look to bat at 5 and Pant can slot in at 6.

At 3 and 4 you can have Rahul and Gill.


That would be a MUCH better side than what's on display atm.
 
Said it before and I'll say it again. These are not 300 pitches or grounds. Average innings score here is 260.

India has enough batting power in these conditions to always post above par scores.

And oppositions are going to find Kuldeep and Chahal as a big challenge. They are best spinners in this tournament apart from Shakib and Rashid. And this is going to be a spinner's tournament.
 
This is not looking good for India. However, it'll be silly to read too much into this performance. They've probably taken this game easy.
 
SarfiBabarHaris said:
After seeing quite a few comments from Indian bros in last days that no one in India cares about this tournament i just saw twitter trends and to my surprise #IndvshK is no 1 in Indian twitter trends. If no one cares then how a match against hong Kong is trending no 1 or no one cares in lala land??
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The forum is filled with few test match Indian elitists who call even the most attended and crowd favourite tournament: IPL as circus and there are many such elitists on Pakistan side too. So best to ignore such comments.
 
SarfiBabarHaris said:
After seeing quite a few comments from Indian bros in last days that no one in India cares about this tournament i just saw twitter trends and to my surprise #IndvshK is no 1 in Indian twitter trends. If no one cares then how a match against hong Kong is trending no 1 or no one cares in lala land??
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That's some deep research.

Respect.
 
Does Shastri even have a plan to sort out the middle order issues before the WC or he's relying on his motivation speeches? What purpose would sending Karthik at 4 achieve even in a random game, when better players need chances to establish themselves. And karthin in first place over Pant?
 
I'm not watching the match, buts its hard to imagine the Indian batting could really be this bad.

I would think this is more of the pitch just getting really slow in the late overs.. Maybe 240-260 really is the par score in this tournament
 
Syed1 said:
Honestly seeing how weak the middle order is, when Kohli comes back he should look to bat at 5 and Pant can slot in at 6.

At 3 and 4 you can have Rahul and Gill.


That would be a MUCH better side than what's on display atm.
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Everyone can see this but selectors and captain don't have the courage to fire old players, Don't you think they can see that Dhoni has become a parasite on this team? It is not as if we are geniuses sitting here commenting on forums and they are fools, it is just cowardice on the part of captain and selection panel.
 
coy0607 said:
I'm not watching the match, buts its hard to imagine the Indian batting could really be this bad.

I would think this is more of the pitch just getting really slow in the late overs.. Maybe 240-260 really is the par score in this tournament
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I can guarantee that no team will score 70 runs in the last 10 overs even once in this tournament.

Simply not the conditions for it. It's a 270-275 runs tournament.
 
Reddy said:
England will not score 360 in Dubai.
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Reckon they would get more than 285 againts HK though...

Where India fails in its middle order is that its basically full of top order stroke players, trying to do the job of lower order hitters.

They guys don't naturally hit over the top...but in the position that they come in they are expected to, and inevitably fail.

In any case, from what I have seen, India don't really produce those sorts of players. Dhoni and Yuvraj did it for a while, but since then....nothing.

You need the equivalent of a Buttler, Maxwell, Stokes, etc.
 
Hongkong can win this.

Shardul bhai will give away 100 runs in his 10 overs :asif

I wonder how Shardul keeps getting selected to Indian team. What has he ever done?
 
Reddy said:
Everyone can see this but selectors and captain don't have the courage to fire old players, Don't you think they can see that Dhoni has become a parasite on this team? It is not as if we are geniuses sitting here commenting on forums and they are fools, it is just cowardice on the part of captain and selection panel.
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Don't think its cowardice.

Its a lack of belief in Virat Kohli as a tactician in the field.

They need Dhoni for his feel of the game situation, and tactical nous. No matter how poor he was as a test captain, he is a great ODI thinker.
 
Zahid87 said:
Reckon they would get more than 285 againts HK though...

Where India fails in its middle order is that its basically full of top order stroke players, trying to do the job of lower order hitters.

They guys don't naturally hit over the top...but in the position that they come in they are expected to, and inevitably fail.

In any case, from what I have seen, India don't really produce those sorts of players. Dhoni and Yuvraj did it for a while, but since then....nothing.

You need the equivalent of a Buttler, Maxwell, Stokes, etc.
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There are enough Indian players in the pipeline, 2019 World Cup loss will lead to large scale clearance of dead wood and Dhoni will also get humiliated and retire himself. Prithwi Shaw, Shubman Gill, Pant, Ishan Kishan, Sanju Samson, half the team can be replaced if selectors and captain had any courage.
 
Zahid87 said:
Reckon they would get more than 285 againts HK though...

Where India fails in its middle order is that its basically full of top order stroke players, trying to do the job of lower order hitters.

They guys don't naturally hit over the top...but in the position that they come in they are expected to, and inevitably fail.

In any case, from what I have seen, India don't really produce those sorts of players. Dhoni and Yuvraj did it for a while, but since then....nothing.

You need the equivalent of a Buttler, Maxwell, Stokes, etc.
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You are absolutely correct. India has tried touch players like M Pandey and Karthik lower down the order.

If I was Indian selector I would play Pandya brothers at 6 and 7 and Pant at 5. Dhoni obviously will be honorably discharged. :salute
 
troodon said:
Hongkong can win this.

Shardul bhai will give away 100 runs in his 10 overs :asif

I wonder how Shardul keeps getting selected to Indian team. What has he ever done?
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Siraj should be above Thakur in the pecking order. Even Prasidh Krishna has shown more ability than Shardul.
 
troodon said:
Hongkong can win this.

Shardul bhai will give away 100 runs in his 10 overs :asif

I wonder how Shardul keeps getting selected to Indian team. What has he ever done?
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He is decent bowler and he has done well for India A and he has not really got chance yet but I agree with you. He is not a great LO prospect.
 
Thanks to Dhawan who scored a good century otherwise result could be way more different.
 
Dhoni and Kedar,when will the torture end?

India should field this for WC -

Rohit
Dhawan
Kohli/Rahul(if early wicket rahul in)
Rahul/Kohli
Rayudu/Iyer
Pant
Pandya
Bumrah
Bhuvi
Kuldeep
Chahal
 
Indian score card actually tells how poor a wicket this is - once both balls got softer, last 15 overs went for like 5.5 with 5-6 wickets down, and that's batting first against amateur spinners, who play cricket mostly in weekends!!!
 
I think, going forward every team should change their strategy and try to score like 170 in first 29-30 overs, even for 5-6 down and play absolute Test match to reach may be 256 from there on. It's impossible to accelerate on this wicket, once the new ball is done, and it's even more difficult under light, because new ball will also swing a bit then.
 
MMHS said:
Indian score card actually tells how poor a wicket this is - once both balls got softer, last 15 overs went for like 5.5 with 5-6 wickets down, and that's batting first against amateur spinners, who play cricket mostly in weekends!!!
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Nope. Pitch is slow but not that slow. Our Batters just don't want to improvise and learn new things. They want pitch flat and with bounce. I.e. Wankhede. Even then they fail to counter new plans by bowlers to slow them down. 2014 t20 final is biggest example of not adapting to opposition plan.
 
Ummii said:
Thanks to Dhawan who scored a good century otherwise result could be way more different.
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Same old story of relying on top 3. If Pakistan takes 2 wickets quickly we will struggle to post even 240 here.

Also if they have dropped Pandya then its good but if he is rested then thats laughable. Has he ever played in UAE before that he is getting a rest? He didn't play in the last test against England. That's good enough rest for the star player.
 
Well bowled Hong Kong. Assessed the conditions and restricted us. Still a good enough total and we should win especially with Kuldeep, Chahal and Kedar to bowl 30 overs.

Think Dinesh Karthik has played his last ODI game for India. Keeps throwing away starts, something he was never able to rectify all these years. No way he should play tomorrow ahead of Rahul. Kedar with his off spin will be a definite starter.
 
austerlitz said:
Dhoni and Kedar,when will the torture end?

India should field this for WC -

Rohit
Dhawan
Kohli/Rahul(if early wicket rahul in)
Rahul/Kohli
Rayudu/Iyer
Pant
Pandya
Bumrah
Bhuvi
Kuldeep
Chahal
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Replace Rayadu/Iyer with Shaw/Gill. Much better players who can rotate strike as well as hit big shots.

Iyer cannot play fast bowling. Rayadu is Rayadu. He will fail miserably against better bowling attacks.
 
SarfiBabarHaris said:
After seeing quite a few comments from Indian bros in last days that no one in India cares about this tournament i just saw twitter trends and to my surprise #IndvshK is no 1 in Indian twitter trends. If no one cares then how a match against hong Kong is trending no 1 or no one cares in lala land??
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Dont believe whatever Indian posters say on here wrt to this topic. They are always fake posturing for reasons best known to them.
 
Is this the same Khaleel ahmad who was supposed to bowl 150 kph?
 
Slim said:
Dont believe whatever Indian posters say on here wrt to this topic. They are always fake posturing for reasons best known to them.
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India vs Hong Kong mein yeh haal hai India vs Pakistan mein kya hoga. :inti Look at the number of posts in this thread by those who don't care about Ind vs Pak matches. :misbah
 
Reddy said:
Yup, was bowling 140-145 KPH in Syed Mustaq Ali trophy. He is being conservative here as its his first International match.
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Yes. Understandable. Its just his first over as well. Very compact action.
 
Slim said:
Dont believe whatever Indian posters say on here wrt to this topic. They are always fake posturing for reasons best known to them.
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Don't drag all the Indian posters into this farce, its just the test match elitists and you got plenty of them on Pakistan side too.
 
Bad news : same pitch will be used tomorrow for India Pakistan match. :facepalm:
 
Hasan2K8 said:
Why would you compare bi literal series with aus to asia cup? Ofcause it’s a bigger series in a series context to top sides goinf head to head. But Asia cup is growing, teams getting more challenging, Asia cup must be prioritised as it’s Asia cup where you can be champions of Asia. The way aome of you ind fans sound so arrogant as if BD, Pk, Afg will be easy roll over, a walk in the park like as if you’re playing against minnows of the 90s. Sure if Ind is fav they’ll still have to be at their best to win. This isnt 00s asia cup anymore, as you expected the 3 traditional sides to advance only. Looking at 4 Asia cup finals, Ind only made it to one whereas BD 2, which wasn’t expected in the 00s. Not saying it’s a big achievement making it to the final, what am saying is the challenge other teams giving harder and tougher to win, whatever the hype with you team and the fav tag might me. It’s lot challenging to win Asia cup now than ever before, it should be a tournament treated like as if has no importance, Asia is where crickets by far most fans are cricket is the proper home to some of these asian sides, asia keeps cricket alive. Asia cup is important for cricket, IMO!
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BAN have improved a lot in the last 4 years. Nobody is denying that. But that doesn't mean the Asia Cup should automatically become more important for India.

India has already won it 6 times. It was a tournament of 3 teams back then and seems it is a tournament of 3 teams even now. Only difference is SL have exchanged places with BAN.

A series win in Australia is much rare for India. It's common sense to put more value on something that is rare.
 
Madplayer said:
Bad news : same pitch will be used tomorrow for India Pakistan match. :facepalm:
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Pakistan is used to such pitches and with no Kohli Indian defeat is ensured, hopefully few defeats in this series will help in clearing the dead wood.
 
Madplayer said:
Yes. Understandable. Its just his first over as well. Very compact action.
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Khaleel reached 143 KPH in second over but got hit for four, he should be supported by the selectors, don't expect any support from Kohli who doesn't take any chances with new players.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
India vs Hong Kong mein yeh haal hai India vs Pakistan mein kya hoga. :inti Look at the number of posts in this thread by those who don't care about Ind vs Pak matches. :misbah
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:yk

Yar i am not going to say anything. If Pakistan god forbid loses to India then you will see people coming back from the dead and what not. :))
 
1.1 million concurrent viewers on Hotstar. Higher than I expected

Tomorrow could be around 3 to 3.5 million. Very decent numbers.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Same old story of relying on top 3. If Pakistan takes 2 wickets quickly we will struggle to post even 240 here.

Also if they have dropped Pandya then its good but if he is rested then thats laughable. Has he ever played in UAE before that he is getting a rest? He didn't play in the last test against England. That's good enough rest for the star player.
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Don't see the reason for the Hardik Pandya hate.

He is someone who adds a seam bowling option, and can act as a hitter lower down the order. At this stage he is like a (very) poor mans Razzaq.

India has lacked that kind of player for a long time. If he improves, he can add much needed balance to the Indian side.
 
Zahid87 said:
Don't see the reason for the Hardik Pandya hate.

He is someone who adds a seam bowling option, and can act as a hitter lower down the order. At this stage he is like a (very) poor mans Razzaq.

India has lacked that kind of player for a long time. If he improves, he can add much needed balance to the Indian side.
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On these pitches Jadeja will be a better option but he is not in the squad. Don't need a bits and pieces, inconsistent player.
 
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