India all out for 36 in the first Test against Australia (2020/21)

[aloo paratha]

Yeah, it's very humiliating for a number 11 to get hit with a bouncer. C'mon now, I'm enjoying this as much as the next person, but let's not go overboard.

literally being left unable to bat is more humiliating than any regulation dismissal. Doesn't matter whether they open or are a #11

 

[Slog]

Then people should stop mentioning me.

Well you aren’t helping yourself with your lame and salty excuses. What next? Dharna outisde MCC?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Yeah, it's very humiliating for a number 11 to get hit with a bouncer. C'mon now, I'm enjoying this as much as the next person, but let's not go overboard.

Don't be silly, this is exactly the time to go overboard.

36 all out??

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[Finisher]

Then people should stop mentioning me.

When a bowler gets injured should the apposition batting teams final score not count?

 

[Slim]

I have to say - India's last series win in Australia was an absolute fluke. They won against an Australia B team. Not in eons these bunch of losers can imagine beating the actual Australian side in Australia. This has proven it and so will the upcoming series defeat. Lovely.

 

[Slog]

I have to say - India's last series win in Australia was an absolute fluke. They won against an Australia B team. Not in eons these bunch of losers can imagine beating the actual Australian side in Australia. This has proven it and so will the upcoming series defeat. Lovely.

This is also a post on the other extreme.

India may not have won that series but there is no doubt that they are usually the most competitive touring side to Australia after the Saffers so they would have still competed. This 36 all out while incredibly humiliating is an anomaly and I wouldn’t bet money on a whitewash

 

[Slim]

This is also a post on the other extreme.

India may not have won that series but there is no doubt that they are usually the most competitive touring side to Australia after the Saffers so they would have still competed. This 36 all out while incredibly humiliating is an anomaly and I wouldn’t bet money on a whitewash

No one can guarantee a white wash but series defeat is what i was talking about and it is the writing on the wall.

 

[Mamoon]

Well you aren’t helping yourself with your lame and salty excuses. What next? Dharna outisde MCC?

So I should say what people want me to say and not speak my mind. Alright that makes sense.

 

[Slim]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">With the way India batted & bowled in the 1st innings, they were in the driver's seat, but the Aussies came back really hard this morning. <br>That is the beauty of Test cricket. <br>It’s NEVER over till it’s over. India was outclassed in the 2nd half. Congratulations to Australia!</p>— Sachin Tendulkar (@sachin_rt) <a href="https://twitter.com/sachin_rt/status/1340219444220465163?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Odd of Sachin to comment on this - knowning him he usually finds some obscure sport to congratulate India on in moments like this. Who remembers the phainta in 2017 CT and Sachin congratulating India on some other sport while watching the match in the stadium? )

 

[Slog]

So I should say what people want me to say and not speak my mind. Alright that makes sense.

You can speak your mind but then obviosuly
You will be called out for a bitter and salty opinion which even Indian fans are embarassed to ascribe to lol

 

[Extra_Cover]

I still couldn't believe India mustered just 36 runs. Horror day for Indian cricket. However, it should be looked into to see if this is short-term or carries a long-term impact for India?

A lot has been said that many Indian players are on wrong side of 30 and I cannot personally see how some of those boots would be filled in future.

I can see Pujara, Rahane, Ashwin and Shami are the ones who have 1-3 years at max of test cricket left in them. The worrying part is these 1-3 years would not be the best time of their careers. The more worrying part is that India does not have replacements on hand for them either immediately or 3 years down.

I understand a lot of trolling has been happening today but one thing is for sure, IPL megastars carry not much value in test cricket. Unless BCCI can scrap test cricket altogether this would remain one format where they would not be dominant, even at home they might struggle in 3 years time.

 

[Mamoon]

You can speak your mind but then obviosuly
You will be called out for a bitter and salty opinion which even Indian fans are embarassed to ascribe to lol

Sure, I don’t have a problem with what people call me. My point is that I will be obliged respond most of the times when people tag me.

 

[Mamoon]

So what is the plan? How long are we going to celebrate this?

The important question is - are our celebrations going to end before Australia’s or not?

 

[Mamoon]

I still couldn't believe India mustered just 36 runs. Horror day for Indian cricket. However, it should be looked into to see if this is short-term or carries a long-term impact for India?

A lot has been said that many Indian players are on wrong side of 30 and I cannot personally see how some of those boots would be filled in future.

I can see Pujara, Rahane, Ashwin and Shami are the ones who have 1-3 years at max of test cricket left in them. The worrying part is these 1-3 years would not be the best time of their careers. The more worrying part is that India does not have replacements on hand for them either immediately or 3 years down.

I understand a lot of trolling has been happening today but one thing is for sure, IPL megastars carry not much value in test cricket. Unless BCCI can scrap test cricket altogether this would remain one format where they would not be dominant, even at home they might struggle in 3 years time.

People keeping blaming IPL but the core of the Test side is not composed of IPL megastar.

Kohli - IPL megastar but also one of the all-time great batsmen at the international level.

Pujara - not an IPL megastar.

Ashwin - good IPL player but Test cricket has been his most successful format.

Jadeja - same as Ashwin.

Rahane - not an IPL megastar.

Ishant - not an IPL megastar.

Shami - not really an IPL megastar. He is usually not among the top wicket-takers and doesn’t get much hype during IPL.

Bumrah - IPL megastar sure, but he is a quality player at every level.

These 8 players are India’s core Test cricketers.

BCCI knows that IPL success doesn’t translate into Test success. That is why they don’t pick players for Test cricket without great FC records.

 

[iiqbal]

Best thing for India is stay home stay safe

 

[Technics 1210]

So what is the plan? How long are we going to celebrate this?

The important question is - are our celebrations going to end before Australia’s or not?

No [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]. The question is how long will fans outside India celebrate YOUR Indian loss.

You can crow all you want with your anti Pakistan narrative and hatered, but the English, Aussies, Kiwis, South African, West Indies, even Kenyians are relishing today.

Perhaps if you and your team were not so arrogant. Who knows.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Wait what happened? I just went to play 9 holes came back game over . What a spell by The Australians . Pace matters. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/INDvsAUSTest?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#INDvsAUSTest</a></p>— Wasim Akram (@wasimakramlive) <a href="https://twitter.com/wasimakramlive/status/1340198341997600768?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

What a rubbish comment, after that fantastic display of line and length, Wasim’s conclusion is that pace matters?

 

[Extra_Cover]

People keeping blaming IPL but the core of the Test side is not composed of IPL megastar.

Kohli - IPL megastar but also one of the all-time great batsmen at the international level.

Pujara - not an IPL megastar.

Ashwin - good IPL player but Test cricket has been his most successful format.

Jadeja - same as Ashwin.

Rahane - not an IPL megastar.

Ishant - not an IPL megastar.

Shami - not really an IPL megastar. He is usually not among the top wicket-takers and doesn’t get much hype during IPL.

Bumrah - IPL megastar sure, but he is a quality player at every level.

These 8 players are India’s core Test cricketers.

BCCI knows that IPL success doesn’t translate into Test success. That is why they don’t pick players for Test cricket without great FC records.

How many of these core players you think will make up elite category of players 2-3 years down the line?

 

[Tubs]

So you admit your hatered for Pakistan. Wow. That was easy.

I was merely pointing out you are an academic fraud.

Carry on with your insecure essays.

??? What part of that says I hate Pakistan? I said I admit there are flaws? Is delusion bliss to you?

Again, I have a BSc, and Postgraduate Diploma, and I am now a PhD student. You have no credentials, and deny science. Carry on though, it is laughable how insecure you are about your lack of understanding in science and philosophy. You also spelled 'hatred' incorrectly twice now. Not really helping your argument in calling me a fraud.

<3

 

[Thunderbolt14]

True support. That’s the definition of being a fan. My heart goes out to the Indians on this thread backing their team at all costs.

 

[aloo paratha]

I am arguing because your immaturity is disturbing. If you aren’t 14/15, I wish you were.

Sure, humiliating is too far, but it's definitely embarrassing. You think Babar breaking his wrist to a regulation bouncer that he should be pulling away for 4 and missing the rest of the tour because of it isn't embarrassing? You're yet to explain why it's not embarrassing, rather all you can do is insult and dodge

You've also dodged the second part of my post twice now, even after I specifically reminded you about it again.

 

[Titan24]

What a rubbish comment, after that fantastic display of line and length, Wasim’s conclusion is that pace matters?

Pretty odd comment from Wasim. Not sure what's the reason of our ex legends' infatuation with pace, its important if you have it but, just one aspect of bowling. Pace alone doesnt make anyone a great fast bowler and Wasim, Waqar both know it but still keep on talking about pace. Indian pacers also bowled decent enough pace but couldnt get the desired results.

 

[nextover666666]

My friend called me because he owed me 50 bucks a while back I said to him I'm feeling generous just give me 36 and were good hahahaha. All jokes a side this humaliting defeat will last for a long time

 

[Mamoon]

Sure, humiliating is too far, but it's definitely embarrassing. [b{You think Babar breaking his wrist to a regulation bouncer that he should be pulling away for 4 and missing the rest of the tour because of it isn't embarrassing? [/b]You're yet to explain why it's not embarrassing, rather all you can do is insult and dodge

You've also dodged the second part of my post twice now, even after I specifically reminded you about it again.

Of course it is not embarrassing by any stretch of the imagination. What on earth are you on about? Are you even listening to yourself?

You might not know this but a cricket ball, especially bowled at pace, is basically a stone. If it hits your body there is a good chance you will get injured.

There is nothing embarrassing about missing a ball and getting injured.

 

[aloo paratha]

Of course it is not embarrassing by any stretch of the imagination. What on earth are you on about? Are you even listening to yourself?

You might not know this but a cricket ball, especially bowled at pace, is basically a stone. If it hits your body there is a good chance you will get injured.

There is nothing embarrassing about missing a ball and getting injured. You are talking absolute nonsense. Complete.

So it isn't embarrassing for one of the top 5 batsman in the world to get himself in a tangle such that he breaks his arm? I know the cricket ball is hard and can injure you, I'm not arguing that. I'm saying that batsmen, especially top tier ones ideally should not get in such a tangle that they allow the ball to strike them. If you play and miss deliveries, there is embarrassment, why wouldn't there be any embarrassment if one misses the ball and it strikes them?

Also I'll quote myself again, maybe you'll address it now. "Regardless of what you say, a batsman not being able to bat anymore counts as the team being all out. Happened in the first WI vs NZ test as well, didn't see you saying that the score line should read 138/9, not 138 AO."

 

[Titan24]

Its part of the game I guess.

Top bowling from Aus and poor batting from India around that off stump area. Intent to disturb the line was missing and they kept on playing from almost the same position at the crease. Maybe India needs a traditional test opener who can take the shine off the ball to support Pujara in that role. With Pujara getting out early there was no one capable to do that role well and rest of the batsmen had to play against a considerably newer pink ball and confident Aussie bowlers after they got early wickets.

 

[Caved12]

Of course it is not embarrassing by any stretch of the imagination. What on earth are you on about? Are you even listening to yourself?

You might not know this but a cricket ball, especially bowled at pace, is basically a stone. If it hits your body there is a good chance you will get injured.

There is nothing embarrassing about missing a ball and getting injured. You are talking absolute nonsense. Complete **.

If we are true fans of this great game of cricket, then the last thing we want to do is to laugh at such incidents or even call it embarrassing as it could happen to anyone and can leave your muscles or bones completely damaged for life. By his logic, Boucher should also be embarrassed because he could not catch a cricket ball. Unbelievable!

 

[aloo paratha]

Read my post again as you have trouble reading. I did not say you were laughing, the second part applies to you after "OR"

my original argument was that being left in a condition where you literally cannot bat anymore is worse than getting out in a normal way. Still don't see how that's a controversial opinion.

 

[Mamoon]

my original argument was that being left in a condition where you literally cannot bat anymore is worse than getting out in a normal way. Still don't see how that's a controversial opinion.

It might be worse because it is unfortunate and can end your series. For example, Shami got a fracture and is out of the series now.

However, to say that it is “embarrassing” is a completely nonsense opinion. It is not embarrassing by any measure.

And I didn’t mention the NZ vs WI match because in that situation, whether the score line read 138/9 or 138 all out made no difference because no records were made or broken.

However, when an innings enters the record books for the lowest score, then it is reasonable to distinguish between all out and 9 down.

Australia took 9 wickets not 10. The last pair was still batting at the crease and for all we know, they could have scored a few lucky runs.

 

[nextover666666]

Ravi shastri said this is the greatest Indian test team of all time Lmaoo

 

[Rohan]

Ravi shastri said this is the greatest Indian test team of all time Lmaoo

Im sure that comment was made by him after 8 PM, lol

 

[Mamoon]

How many of these core players you think will make up elite category of players 2-3 years down the line?

Depends on how you define elite.

For me, the following players are elite. Kohli, Pujara, Ashwin, Jadeja and Bumrah. When 5/11 players are elite, you are a damn good side.

No wonder India had the longest reign at the top of the rankings in the previous decade, and Kohli has 33+ Test wins, most by an Asian captain. Only a top team can win with such consistency.

Kohli is self-explanatory. Everyone agrees that he is a legend.

Pujara is elite because he is one of the best modern batsmen in his mould. He is almost as good as Dravid.

Ashwin and Jadeja are among the very best off-spinners and SLAs of the last 30 odd years.

Bumrah skill wise is elite. He is a better bowler than Kapil and Srinath. He just needs to play more.

 

[aloo paratha]

It might be worse because it is unfortunate and can end your series. For example, Shami got a fracture and is out of the series now.

However, to say that it is “embarrassing” is a completely nonsense opinion. It is not embarrassing by any measure.

And I didn’t mention the NZ vs WI match because in that situation, whether the score line read 138/9 or 138 all out made no difference because no records were made or broken.

However, when an innings enters the record books for the lowest score, then it is reasonable to distinguish between all out and 9 down.

Australia took 9 wickets not 10. The last pair was still batting at the crease and for all we know, they could have scored a few lucky runs.

I'm not saying it isn't unfortunate. I still can't see how it's not embarrassing. Remember last year, Australia vs New Zealand, Wade kept getting hit by Wagner, was looking like a tail ender against the bouncer, the commentators as well as fans were making jokes about it, how's that not embarrassing? regardless though, we're never gonna agree so why argue forever.

And that's not how cricket scoring works. If a player cannot bat, they are listed as All Out. So unless a rule is changed in the future, this will remain as 36 all out.

 

[Mamoon]

Ravi shastri said this is the greatest Indian test team of all time Lmaoo

He is correct.

 

[Caved12]

If we are true fans of this great game of cricket, then the last thing we want to do is to laugh at such incidents or even call it embarrassing as it could happen to anyone and can leave your muscles or bones completely damaged for life. By his logic, Boucher should also be embarrassed because he could not catch a cricket ball. Unbelievable!

cricket stumps bail*

Should have stopped it from hitting his eye right?

 

[aloo paratha]

cricket stumps bail*

Should have stopped it from hitting his eye right?

I'm not expecting people to have superhuman reaction times lmao. Also you're expecting a ball to be coming at you when you're batting, you don't expect the bail to fly in your face while keeping. False equivalence.

 

[nextover666666]

He is correct.

36 all out makes you the greatest Indian test team of all time than call me crazy brother lol

 

[Mamoon]

36 all out makes you the greatest Indian test team of all time than call me crazy brother lol

One terrible innings doesn’t define the legacy of a team.

 

[Bullet Drive]

Depends on how you define elite.

For me, the following players are elite. Kohli, Pujara, Ashwin, Jadeja and Bumrah. When 5/11 players are elite, you are a damn good side.

No wonder India had the longest reign at the top of the rankings in the previous decade, and Kohli has 33+ Test wins, most by an Asian captain. Only a top team can win with such consistency.

Kohli is self-explanatory. Everyone agrees that he is a legend.

Pujara is elite because he is one of the best modern batsmen in his mould. He is almost as good as Dravid.

Ashwin and Jadeja are among the very best off-spinners and SLAs of the last 30 odd years.

Bumrah skill wise is elite. He is a better bowler than Kapil and Srinath. He just needs to play more.

Others yeah.

Jadeja aint elite.

 

[Caved12]

I'm not expecting people to have superhuman reaction times lmao. Also you're expecting a ball to be coming at you when you're batting, you don't expect the bail to fly in your face while keeping. False equivalence.

Not at all. Sometimes there is an awkward bounce due to a damaged pitch or some small piece left on pitch that caused it (Happens all the time). Idea is that such incidents can happen in a game of cricket and it is nothing to be embarrassed about. Just part of the game.

 

[aloo paratha]

Not at all. Sometimes there is an awkward bounce due to a damaged pitch or some small piece left on pitch that caused it (Happens all the time). Idea is that such incidents can happen in a game of cricket and it is nothing to be embarrassed about. Just part of the game.

Yeah I'd agree with you in those cases. Same goes for a beamer.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

More than India’s defeat, I am appreciating Josh Hazlweood. Lately he is been doing pretty darn good. Perhaps he is in the best form of his life and currently among the top pace bolwers in the world.


In the era of dominating batsmen and mountains of runs everywhere, it’s great to see a pace bowling superstar has appeared.

 

[Caved12]

I'm not expecting people to have superhuman reaction times lmao. Also you're expecting a ball to be coming at you when you're batting, you don't expect the bail to fly in your face while keeping. False equivalence.

lol, but you are expecting a number 11 batsman to dodge these bouncers with superhuman reflexes.

 

[aloo paratha]

lol, but you are expecting a number 11 batsman to dodge these bouncers with superhuman reflexes.

He's playing international cricket. I at least expect him to be good enough to move out of the way of the ball.

 

[Last Monetarist]

He's playing international cricket. I at least expect him to be good enough to move out of the way of the ball.

Stop digging a hole. It's ludicrous to expect a tailender like Shami to never get hit by the ball. That was an awkward delivery to evade, most tailenders would have gotten into a tangle.

 

[JaDed]

Every comment (we deserve it) of ex cricketers and this forum should be pasted in Indian locker room, if this doesn’t get Rahane and co fired up, jus pack your bags and go back home.

Sachin,Dravid, Laxman might be gentlemen but never doubted their will to fight.

 

[aloo paratha]

Stop digging a hole. It's ludicrous to expect a tailender like Shami to never get hit by the ball. That was an awkward delivery to evade, most tailenders would have gotten into a tangle.

It's not a dig on Shami only. Many tailenders are so bad it's dangerous for themselves. Being such a poor bat at the international level is not acceptable.

 

[Caved12]

I'm not saying it isn't unfortunate. I still can't see how it's not embarrassing. Remember last year, Australia vs New Zealand, Wade kept getting hit by Wagner, was looking like a tail ender against the bouncer, the commentators as well as fans were making jokes about it, how's that not embarrassing? regardless though, we're never gonna agree so why argue forever.

And that's not how cricket scoring works. If a player cannot bat, they are listed as All Out. So unless a rule is changed in the future, this will remain as 36 all out.

I agree with the bold part and somewhat agree that a top order batsmen should not get hit by a bouncer again and again as that would surely be embarrassing, but not the first time as that could happen to anyone, and has happened to Sachin, Lara and all other big players.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

India's highest score 759 for 7 was under Virat Kohli's captaincy. And 36 all out too. Both happened on December 19.

 

[Xoib]

One terrible innings doesn’t define the legacy of a team.

Sorry India loses too much outside Asia and wi to be termed elite team. An elite side does not have 1 win to 3 losses away losing record some of the better Asian sides Imran 80's wasim-malik 90's and gangly - Dhoni 00's had a far better win loss record then kohli 15-20.Not even talking the real elite sides windies 80's austral 00's since India is not even good enough to tie their shoe laces heck Smith's south Africa wipes the floor with this side.

Sure they win games but that's due to the modern nature of cricket where matches are result oriented 1 win for every 3 losses away does not red pretty reading now.

 

[Last Monetarist]

It's not a dig on Shami only. Many tailenders are so bad it's dangerous for themselves. Being such a poor bat at the international level is not acceptable.

But tailenders will always remain a part of the game, it's like expecting every batsman to be able to bowl to a decent level. Sure they all have a responsibility to improve their batting, but there is a natural ceiling on ability.

Physical jeopardy in cricket will never go away till they ban the bouncer altogether.

 

[Xoib]

Others yeah.

Jadeja aint elite.

Kohli is elite. Pujara is a very good batsman but not elite apart from one incredible away series (2018) he has regularly gone missing away.
Ashwin and jadeja are elite in India can't call them elite as they have never won a game away Asia or wi though ashwin bowled as well as I have seen him bowl this game so might turn it around. Bumrah is a potential elite but needs atleast 150 test wickets beofe you bring him in discussion.

So it's one elite one potential elite.

 

[Ab Fan]

India's highest score 759 for 7 was under Virat Kohli's captaincy. And 36 all out too. Both happened on December 19.

RCB 263-5(20 overs) & 49 all-out also

 

[aloo paratha]

But tailenders will always remain a part of the game, it's like expecting every batsman to be able to bowl to a decent level. Sure they all have a responsibility to improve their batting, but there is a natural ceiling on ability.

Physical jeopardy in cricket will never go away till they ban the bouncer altogether.

I agree with you to an extent. My original argument wasn't that Shami should be a GOAT batsman who will never get struck. I was just saying that being left unable to bat is worse than being dismissed.

 

[Runner Up]

36 ka aankda (Between Ind & Aus)

 

[majiz]

One terrible innings doesn’t define the legacy of a team.

what have they actually done?
2000s india achieved a series draw against a GOATing australia side. they also won a series in England. they lost a series 2-1 narrowly against an excellent south africa side (pakistan lost one narrowly around the same time) and then drew a series against the 'same' SA side a few years later.
The India of today is as hopeless as usual in NZ

All kohli and co/nu-india have done is win a series against an Australia without smith. don't know about you but Australia without smith doesn't strike me as a particularly good side

now today they have been bowled out for next to nothing. india side today is probably more balanced(more bowling options) but overall i think you could argue they have regressed away from home

 

[coy0607]

One terrible innings doesn’t define the legacy of a team.

it doesn't define their legacy, but it will be one of the first things brought up when you discuss their legacy.

just like 53 & 59 are one of the first things brought up when anyone discusses Waqar's captaincy

the innings would have been largely ignored from India's legacy had they scored 80+ runs, but 36 in beyond pathetic

 

[Realromeo]

It's not like we declined and went down to associate level. One terrible, embarrassing inning, that's all really. You just laugh this off and move on. A couple of years ago we were 27/8 vs Sri Lanka of all team in Dharmshala, that could have been worse than this.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

So what is the plan? How long are we going to celebrate this?

The important question is - are our celebrations going to end before Australia’s or not?

I am planning on celebrating for the whole weekend to start with, will see how it pans out after that. I don't usually visit the cricket section much so this has been a nice little bonus.

 

[ManFan]

Pathetic. Inept cowards.

Pakistan has a terrible record in AUS but IND even with everything a team can ask for, manage to produce a shittier performance with arguably their best team in a decade.

 

[Mamoon]

it doesn't define their legacy, but it will be one of the first things brought up when you discuss their legacy.

just like 53 & 59 are one of the first things brought up when anyone discusses Waqar's captaincy

the innings would have been largely ignored from India's legacy had they scored 80+ runs, but 36 in beyond pathetic

The Sharjah Test 2002 is brought up because Waqar does not have a significant legacy as captain.

Apart from winning the 3 match ODI series in Australia in 2002 and beating them once in the 2001 Natwest Series where he took a 6 wicket haul, Waqar did nothing much as captain.

If he would have spent years at the top of the Test rankings and won 33 Tests as captain, no would remember the Sharjah Test debacle.

Similarly, how many people talk about Misbah losing a Test in Zimbabwe? Not many. The regular cricket fan doesn’t even remember that now, but every cricket fan in Pakistan knows that Misbah took them to number 1 ranking.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

Lmao what a moment. Love seeing India getting pumped.

 

[Mamoon]

what have they actually done?
2000s india achieved a series draw against a GOATing australia side. they also won a series in England. they lost a series 2-1 narrowly against an excellent south africa side (pakistan lost one narrowly around the same time) and then drew a series against the 'same' SA side a few years later.
The India of today is as hopeless as usual in NZ

All kohli and co/nu-india have done is win a series against an Australia without smith. don't know about you but Australia without smith doesn't strike me as a particularly good side

now today they have been bowled out for next to nothing. india side today is probably more balanced(more bowling options) but overall i think you could argue they have regressed away from home

What have they achieved? Let me think.

The longest reign as number 1 team in the 2010 decade, which also happened to be one of the longest reigns as number 1 team in history.

33 Test wins as captain for Kohli, the most by an Asian captain ever.

First Asian team to win in Australia. Again, you can be dismissive all you want, but Australia would thrash all other Asian teams at home without Smith and Warner.

India still had to cope with a full-strength bowling unit, and they did brilliantly.

This is the most successful Asian team ever. Now you can change the parameters of success to suit your narrative, but for me, having the longest reign as number 1 team in a particular decade, having one of the longest reigns as number 1 in history and winning the most Tests as an Asian captain are the pinnacles of success.

 

[Mean&Green]

One terrible innings doesn’t define the legacy of a team.

Oh please what legacy does this team have other than that one series win in Australia that they achieved because Australia wasn't playing their A team. On top of that they got rag dolled in South Africa England newzealand and now Australia . The only legacy they have is by inviting teams over to their backyard and flatenning them on rank Turner's that isn't the definition of legacy. We know how hurt you are right now but sometimes you probably even realize man **** that was so dumb of me to say I should control myself more instead of making it more embarassing for myself than it already is .

 

[IMMY69]

What have they achieved? Let me think.

The longest reign as number 1 team in the 2010 decade, which also happened to be one of the longest reigns as number 1 team in history.

33 Test wins as captain for Kohli, the most by an Asian captain ever.

First Asian team to win in Australia. Again, you can be dismissive all you want, but Australia would thrash all other Asian teams at home without Smith and Warner.

India still had to cope with a full-strength bowling unit, and they did brilliantly.

This is the most successful Asian team ever. Now you can change the parameters of success to suit your narrative, but for me, having the longest reign as number 1 team in a particular decade, having one of the longest reigns as number 1 in history and winning the most Tests as an Asian captain are the pinnacles of success.

Your posts do make me laugh..

You are almost always wrong but you continue to argue your point anyway

India are not a brilliant test team and no where near the league of the great West Indian team or the Australian team, not even as good as the Pakistan team of the 80's and 90's.

They are a home side bully built on home wickets that turn square from the first morning.
They avoided playing a Pakistan side that had possible the two best players of spin and who were undefeated in the UAE for almost a decade.

Even India's fast bowling riches is lead by a bowler with an unusual and highly suspect bowling action.

However don't let me stop you. I'm enjoying you making an utter fool of yourself
Also better to make yourself a fool here then to stain up your Kohli poster

 

[Mean&Green]

The Sharjah Test 2002 is brought up because Waqar does not have a significant legacy as captain.

Apart from winning the 3 match ODI series in Australia in 2002 and beating them once in the 2001 Natwest Series where he took a 6 wicket haul, Waqar did nothing much as captain.

If he would have spent years at the top of the Test rankings and won 33 Tests as captain, no would remember the Sharjah Test debacle.

Similarly, how many people talk about Misbah losing a Test in Zimbabwe? Not many. The regular cricket fan doesn’t even remember that now, but every cricket fan in Pakistan knows that Misbah took them to number 1 ranking.

Funny you say that cause you are their only fan because no indian member even rates this team as their greatest ever test team on top of that no cricket analyst Indian or outside of India rates this India team as their best ever test team. Sorry to say but the truth is bitter it's you against billions of people majority rules over minority tata.

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=491]IMMY69[/MENTION]

This Indian team is obviously not close to the legendary West Indies and Australia but it is better than any Pakistani side ever.

Anyway, there are different parameters of success. Compare Kohli’s Test captaincy with Imran Khan’s, the captain that Pakistani fans consider to be the greatest Asian Test captain.

Imran Khan: his most notable achievement in Test cricket was drawing in West Indies.

Kohli: his most notable achievement in Test cricket is achieving the longest reign as the number 1 team in the 2010 decade, one of the longest reigns of all time as well as 33 Test wins as captain (Most by an Asian ever).

The problem with Imran’s captaincy in Test cricket is that it requires an explanation because at face value it is not impressive since he only won 14 Tests as captain.

On the other hand, Kohli’s success as Test captaincy does not require any explanation.

20 years from today, when some kid googles the list of most successful Asian Test captain, he will see Kohli’s name right at the top and he will immediately recognize Kohli as the most successful Asian Test captain ever.

Similarly, considering that Kohli still has 3-4 years of captaincy left and could actually surpass G. Smith as the most successful Test captain of all time (by wins), when some kid googles the list of most successful Test captains, he will see Kohli’s name right at the top, or very close to the top.

He will probably not even see Imran’s name because he will have to scroll way down, and while scrolling down, he will notice Misbah-ul-Haq’s name and he will be inclined to believe that Misbah was a more successful Test captain than Imran.

Similarly, if that kid looks at the list of teams that spent the longest period as number 1, he will find the 2015-2019 Indian team among the top entries, and his immediate inclination would be that this was the most successful Asian team ever.

The problem with Imran’s Test captaincy legacy is that it requires an explanation. Little would that kid know that how big a deal surviving against West Indies - that too in West Indies - was. He would also not appreciate the huge influence Imran had on Pakistan cricket and what he meant to the fans of the Pakistan cricket team, and the role that he played in ushering the era of neutral umpires.

There are two types of records - the ones that require explanation and the ones that are so great that they are self-explanatory. I prefer the latter, because they stand out more and are easily noticeable.

Pakistani fans can do all the mental gymnastics they want, they can use all the parameters, criterion, excuses, justifications, hyperboles, exaggerations etc. etc. etc., but nothing and absolutely nothing will change the fact that captain Kohli won more than twice the Test matches captain Imran did.

Kohli’s name will forever feature above Imran Khan’s in a list of most successful Test captains, because such lists are only established using objective criterion, and the most objective criterion is the number of matches won because it is the most easily measured metric.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

How the wickets fell.


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I think these highlights are better

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[BunnyRabbit]

Kohli beating the lack of intent to death with a barbed wire for last 4 years must irk Indian fans now.

 

[Finisher]

What have they achieved? Let me think.

The longest reign as number 1 team in the 2010 decade, which also happened to be one of the longest reigns as number 1 team in history.

33 Test wins as captain for Kohli, the most by an Asian captain ever.

First Asian team to win in Australia. Again, you can be dismissive all you want, but Australia would thrash all other Asian teams at home without Smith and Warner.

India still had to cope with a full-strength bowling unit, and they did brilliantly.

This is the most successful Asian team ever. Now you can change the parameters of success to suit your narrative, but for me, having the longest reign as number 1 team in a particular decade, having one of the longest reigns as number 1 in history and winning the most Tests as an Asian captain are the pinnacles of success.

Flunked a win in Australia
That win will always be marred due to Smith and Warner missing

Absolute machine at home and minnows away

 

[Colorblind Genius]

I am a Pakistan cricket supporter and I have full sports rivalry with the Indian cricket; HOWEVER, I got nothing personal against many of the current Indian team players, and I also think that Kohli himself is a nice guy.

He hasn't shown arrogance against Pakistani cricket team, unlike some of the others like Gambhir or Raina etc, Kohli is a gentleman.

This score of 36 is actually a slap on those Indian fans and the heinous Indian govt, who has put their team on the moon and advocate it as the best ever team in the universe.

 

[Shah]

Thank you India for saving the year 2020 from being a complete disaster due to Covid!
Never seen such complete incompetency by a batting unit. It seemed that they were trying their best to get out.
ICC investigation?

 

[szrana007]

[MENTION=491]IMMY69[/MENTION]

This Indian team is obviously not close to the legendary West Indies and Australia but it is better than any Pakistani side ever.

Anyway, there are different parameters of success. Compare Kohli’s Test captaincy with Imran Khan’s, the captain that Pakistani fans consider to be the greatest Asian Test captain.

Imran Khan: his most notable achievement in Test cricket was drawing in West Indies.

Kohli: his most notable achievement in Test cricket is achieving the longest reign as the number 1 team in the 2010 decade, one of the longest reigns of all time as well as 33 Test wins as captain (Most by an Asian ever).

The problem with Imran’s captaincy in Test cricket is that it requires an explanation because at face value it is not impressive since he only won 14 Tests as captain.

On the other hand, Kohli’s success as Test captaincy does not require any explanation.

20 years from today, when some kid googles the list of most successful Asian Test captain, he will see Kohli’s name right at the top and he will immediately recognize Kohli as the most successful Asian Test captain ever.

Similarly, considering that Kohli still has 3-4 years of captaincy left and could actually surpass G. Smith as the most successful Test captain of all time (by wins), when some kid googles the list of most successful Test captains, he will see Kohli’s name right at the top, or very close to the top.

He will probably not even see Imran’s name because he will have to scroll way down, and while scrolling down, he will notice Misbah-ul-Haq’s name and he will be inclined to believe that Misbah was a more successful Test captain than Imran.

Similarly, if that kid looks at the list of teams that spent the longest period as number 1, he will find the 2015-2019 Indian team among the top entries, and his immediate inclination would be that this was the most successful Asian team ever.

The problem with Imran’s Test captaincy legacy is that it requires an explanation. Little would that kid know that how big a deal surviving against West Indies - that too in West Indies - was. He would also not appreciate the huge influence Imran had on Pakistan cricket and what he meant to the fans of the Pakistan cricket team, and the role that he played in ushering the era of neutral umpires.

There are two types of records - the ones that require explanation and the ones that are so great that they are self-explanatory. I prefer the latter, because they stand out more and are easily noticeable.

Pakistani fans can do all the mental gymnastics they want, they can use all the parameters, criterion, excuses, justifications, hyperboles, exaggerations etc. etc. etc., but nothing and absolutely nothing will change the fact that captain Kohli won more than twice the Test matches captain Imran did.

Kohli’s name will forever feature above Imran Khan’s in a list of most successful Test captains, because such lists are only established using objective criterion, and the most objective criterion is the number of matches won because it is the most easily measured metric.

Ian Chappell, Harsha Bhogle, Manjerekar etc. rate Imran Khan the best Asian Captain. Thats enough for us. There is your answer.

 

[the Great Khan]

Kohli’s name will forever feature above Imran Khan’s in a list of most successful Test captains, because such lists are only established using objective criterion, and the most objective criterion is the number of matches won because it is the most easily measured metric

hahahahaha..oh he's trying so hard..bechara..oh bus kur yaar bus kur..kyon bezati kuratay ho apni..lol


Coming to the Indian batting, and correct me if I'm wrong but Pujara got a peach..that ws unplayable..the rest needed to change their guard slightly perhaps..it seems they got rattled..

what do our resident technical experts think?? just think they werent sure where their off stumps were and should have adjusted to the aussies change in line and length..??
[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] what do you think?

 

[Extra_Cover]

Depends on how you define elite.

For me, the following players are elite. Kohli, Pujara, Ashwin, Jadeja and Bumrah. When 5/11 players are elite, you are a damn good side.

No wonder India had the longest reign at the top of the rankings in the previous decade, and Kohli has 33+ Test wins, most by an Asian captain. Only a top team can win with such consistency.

Kohli is self-explanatory. Everyone agrees that he is a legend.

Pujara is elite because he is one of the best modern batsmen in his mould. He is almost as good as Dravid.

Ashwin and Jadeja are among the very best off-spinners and SLAs of the last 30 odd years.

Bumrah skill wise is elite. He is a better bowler than Kapil and Srinath. He just needs to play more.

I don't quite understand how discussions take such sharp turns with you that the basic topic of discussion is lost.

So I posted that although its an embarrassing day for India and focus of intense trolling it may just be the start of a downward spiral for them in the long-run of 2-3 years as most of their achievers are in wrong side of 30.

You quoted me and now suggesting that they are an elite team in the world and backing it up with achievements of the past decade. My discussion was on future while your argument is on the past. If you want to talk about future then reason your arguments accordingly.

 

[Usman Chadda]

One terrible innings doesn’t define the legacy of a team.

They got hammered in New Zealand.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Shami is out of Australia tour.The blow on his arm resulted in a fracture.

 

[Donal Cozzie]

Made me feel a little better about our second innings at Lords last year

 

[choudhary6964]

LOL I m watching highlights again.It is so much fun.Way to go goat team India.

 

[Mamoon]

They got hammered in New Zealand.

Won’t change the fact that they spent more time at number 1 than any other side in 2010 and Kohli has amassed more Test wins than any Asian captain ever.

I would happily get whitewashed in NZ and get out for 36 in Australia if it means that Pakistan will spend more time at the top of Test rankings than any side in the 2020 decade, and Babar Azam will win more Test matches than any other Asian Test captain.

Every Pakistani fan would take it in a heartbeat as well no matter how much they are dancing right now.