India beat New Zealand by 6 wickets in the 1st ODI

[Ab Fan]

Latham is a quality batsmen and a non- hack. With someone like Guptill who is an attacking bully on flat deck, they will make a good opening pair in coming time.

Williamson, Anderson, Taylor, Ronchi arr their middle order.

That looks to me a good odi side. Not sure why these guys performed poorly today.

Guptill, Williamson and Taylor are consistent performers in odis.

 

[Gone]

Went into the squash court with NZ at 70 odd for 7. Come back and NZ have score 190

Was it Dhoni's doing? It could be excused if he was experimenting. Was he?

Don't know if it was entirely dhonis doing i only had a odd peep in between and saw a drop catch (southe was on 2, went on to make 50+) and the bowling was giving a few freebies too

 

[street cricketer]

Good to see Kohli and Kohli-lite batting together.

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

India need another 100, can kohli get 78 off them? :greedy

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Just shows what a leader McCullum was. NZ have lost their fighting spirit and aura they had under him.

 

[Gone]

I dont think there has ever been a player that you enjoy watching them run between wickets.

Brilliant runner!

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

Back to back classical drives

 

[Ankit007]

Too easy for india....

 

[Sidilicious]

India should rest Kohli and Rohit for the last 2-3 games of the series. If Rahul is back, give him a chance to open. Also try out a middle order bat in Kohli's place.

Rest Umesh as well, since he will be part of the test team against both England and Australia. Give a chance to a couple of other pacers.

 

[street cricketer]

Promote Pandya up please.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Dhoni chokes in another chase.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Promote Pandya up please.

He should be batting at 5.

 

[Sidilicious]

Dhoni chokes in another chase.

This is not really a high pressure chase. But yeah, off late he has failed more often than not while chasing

 

[Sachin136]

Dhoni chokes in another chase.

It was Kohli's fault.

 

[street cricketer]

He should be batting at 5.

Captain needs to give sanction.

 

[Ankit007]

Dhoni chokes in another chase.

Not his fault. He was playing well. Reaction from kohli and no reaction from MS just looks awsome....

 

[Chief Destroyer]

It was Kohli's fault.

Kohli choked then.

 

[street cricketer]

I have nothing against Kedhar Jadhav, he looks like a honest trier. But he gives me the vibe of Rayudu, don't think he really belongs in the Indian team. All the more puzzling given he is already 31.

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

Kohli choked then.

Dude ) .... he is 80*

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

That was out

 

[Sidilicious]

The Indian bowlers cost Kohli a century here

 

[street cricketer]

Ravi Maestri: "And the man of the match for today's match is Hardik Pandey!..."

Sema sarakku lol)

 

[Chrish]

Disappointing tour for Ken

Burden of captaincy?

 

[Chrish]

Kohli needs one good World Cup and he can go down as GOAT OdI bat

 

[Slog]

Kohli needs one good World Cup and he can go down as GOAT OdI bat

Easily

Even now he's an ODI ATG

Dominate a World Cup and he surpasses Viv arguably

 

[Hawkeye]

Easily

Even now he's an ODI ATG

Dominate a World Cup and he surpasses Viv arguably

Pointing, SRT and Lara couldn't surpass Viv.

Laughable post. People easily get excited.

Viv was something else, particularly against the bowlers he faced. There can't be a comparison with this era.

Yes, you can say Kohli > SRT in ODIs soon.

 

[Sachin136]

Pointing, SRT and Lara couldn't surpass Viv.

Laughable post. People easily get excited.

Viv was something else, particularly against the bowlers he faced. There can't be a comparison with this era.

Yes, you can say Kohli > SRT in ODIs soon.

So there is no way any future batsman can surpass Viv?

 

[shaz619]

Easily

Even now he's an ODI ATG

Dominate a World Cup and he surpasses Viv arguably

Astagfirullah!

 

[Hawkeye]

So there is no way any future batsman can surpass Viv?

It's difficult. Not impossible, but the comparison with that era is very difficult.

It will come down to personal opinions of X player's fans.

 

[Tusker]

He is partially right. Quality batsmen like him can score runs on this wicket. Legside hacks like Taylor and wafters like Guptill won't.

Not at today's ODI standards where run-rate is very important. Sunny was a very poor ODI player.

 

[Slog]

Astagfirullah!

Haha

Tbh Kohli has arguably 2 world cups in him and if he can dominate them and win one or atleast take team to finals then it will be fair for him to enter the debate

 

[shaz619]

Haha

Tbh Kohli has arguably 2 world cups in him and if he can dominate them and win one or atleast take team to finals then it will be fair for him to enter the debate

He is definitely in the conversation even at this stage, that would probably cement his status to be up for the big chat but not sure he'd make my top 10 Plus we got to factor in bowling quality and the distinctions between different era's when it came to things like how level the playing field was in order find a middle ground when short listing batsman

 

[Sachin136]

He is definitely in the conversation even at this stage, that would probably cement his status to be up for the big chat but not sure he'd make my top 10 Plus we got to factor in bowling quality and the distinctions between different era's when it came to things like how level the playing field was in order find a middle ground when short listing batsman

Who would be in your top 10 ahead of him? SRT, Viv, Ponting, AB, Dhoni and Bevan are all I can think of.

 

[shaz619]

Who would be in your top 10 ahead of him? SRT, Viv, Ponting, AB, Dhoni and Bevan are all I can think of.

In no order I'd say; Viv, Ponting, Lara , Bevan , Sangakara , ABDV , Sanath Jayasuriya, Matthew Hayden, Saeed Anwar , Adam Gilchrist

Obviously Sachin fans and those on the Kohli cool aid will only factor in statistics, bilateral prowess and HTBing because they are the be and end all when it comes to determining greatness

 

[Crafty_Indian]

For a player to be rated in ATG LOs squads imo he must have been instrumental in winning his team atleast a world cup and should have contributed runs in tough situations and conditions.This has got to be the bare minimum.

 

[Tridibans_16]

In no order I'd say; Viv, Ponting, Lara , Bevan , Sangakara , ABDV , Sanath Jayasuriya, Matthew Hayden, Saeed Anwar , Adam Gilchrist

Obviously Sachin fans and those on the Kohli cool aid will only factor in statistics, bilateral prowess and HTBing because they are the be and end all when it comes to determining greatness

You hate him I know, but at times you make these silly posts just to annoy Indian fans even deep down your heart you know how childish it sounds....

By the way, you do realize that there are many fans here(other than Indians) and you lose your credibility with such quality posts

Kohli is already an ATG in ODI's. In tests, he is not even in the league of Sanga, Kallis etc.

 

[shaz619]

You hate him I know, but at times you make these silly posts just to annoy Indian fans even deep down your heart you know how childish it sounds....

By the way, you do realize that there are many fans here(other than Indians) and you lose your credibility with such quality posts

Kohli is already an ATG in ODI's. In tests, he is not even in the league of Sanga, Kallis etc.

As usual these narrow minded kids resort to personal attacks rather then have a legit discussion to counter points etc when they can't digest the truth because it burns them, keep at it brother! let the burn flow through you! There is no questioning the quality of posts from Indians advocating the greatness of the Motorway King, you guys got be more objective then Stephen Hawking

 

[Tusker]

It's difficult. Not impossible, but the comparison with that era is very difficult.

It will come down to personal opinions of X player's fans.

What was the single biggest factor that separates Viv and the Rest (According to You) ?

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Easy as it gets.

Gen gen gen.

 

[Tridibans_16]

As usual these narrow minded kids resort to personal attacks rather then have a legit discussion to counter points etc when they can't digest the truth because it burns them, keep at it brother! let the burn flow through you! There is no questioning the quality of posts from Indians advocating the greatness of the Motorway King, you guys got be more objective then Stephen Hawking

Brother I am not your enemy. Neither do I hate Pakistanis. Think about it. I am posting on a Pakistani cricket forum being a cricket fan. Just for a moment forget about India v Pakistan.

Now about facts that you talk about, Ok. Lets do this.... Prove me how Anwar (as you posted) is a better ODI batsman than Kohli? Lets see.... ODI hundreds? Avg? IN each country? Successful chases? Anything you like

 

[shaz619]

Brother I am not your enemy. Neither do I hate Pakistanis. Think about it. I am posting on a Pakistani cricket forum being a cricket fan. Just for a moment forget about India v Pakistan.

Now about facts that you talk about, Ok. Lets do this.... Prove me how Anwar (as you posted) is a better ODI batsman than Kohli? Lets see.... ODI hundreds? Avg? IN each country? Successful chases? Anything you like

The Motorway King must have an incredible record in World Cups right? The playing field must have been level right between bat and ball to, am also guessing the quality of the bowling he faced was at it's absolute peak. Yeah am the demon because I don't worship a certain player like you or agree with certain views and deserve this hostility before telling me you're no Pakistani hater

 

[Tridibans_16]

The Motorway King must have an incredible record in World Cups right? The playing field must have been level right between bat and ball to, am also guessing the quality of the bowling he faced was at it's absolute peak. Yeah am the demon because I don't worship a certain player like you or agree with certain views and deserve this hostility before telling me you're no Pakistani hater

See you said stats and facts, I asked you a simple question regarding your claim and now you post a long story.

Is it Kohli's fault that Akram, Walsh, Warne are not playing today? By the way, Kohli has better average, better strike rate, more success in EVERY country (ODIs), more wins, more successful chases than Saeed Anwar.

 

[sarthak]

When all the other batsmen struggled to some extent, his timing on some of the shots simply exquisite!!

Kohli again showing who's the big daddy of LOI cricket
True ATG

 

[The_Odd_One]

Now I have zero doubt that Guptill is a flat track bully only. Kohli on the other hand is already among the top 3 ODI batsmen if all time.

 

[Sachin136]

See you said stats and facts, I asked you a simple question regarding your claim and now you post a long story.

Is it Kohli's fault that Akram, Walsh, Warne are not playing today? By the way, Kohli has better average, better strike rate, more success in EVERY country (ODIs), more wins, more successful chases than Saeed Anwar.

Anwar, having played against the "best bowlers", averages 29 away from home (including against minnows).

 

[JattMaula]

Kohli needs to score against good bowlers and Away from home.

 

[Sachin136]

Kohli needs to score against good bowlers and Away from home.

He has already done both.

 

[JattMaula]

He has already done both.

English.

 

[leatherface58]

Not at today's ODI standards where run-rate is very important. Sunny was a very poor ODI player.

What people don't understand is Sunny was a product of his times. Times where scoring 200 in a day was considered good. Times where teams deliberately made underprepared wickets. Times where there were no neutral umpires. Sunny was slow and would have likely averaged 75 today but he also got a really quick hundred so he was capable of scoring quick.

Also, people marking out for Viv and saying that no one stacks up in this era is complete and total crap. You are telling me, you transpose all the players from today's era, make them play in that era and NO ONE will succeed? These are international players, you know. So, blanket statements like these sound really ignorant.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

What people don't understand is Sunny was a product of his times. Times where scoring 200 in a day was considered good. Times where teams deliberately made underprepared wickets. Times where there were no neutral umpires. Sunny was slow and would have likely averaged 75 today but he also got a really quick hundred so he was capable of scoring quick.

Also, people marking out for Viv and saying that no one stacks up in this era is complete and total crap. You are telling me, you transpose all the players from today's era, make them play in that era and NO ONE will succeed? These are international players, you know. So, blanket statements like these sound really ignorant.

Agree about Viv. But its bloody hard to beat him.

But Sunny wouldn't have had a career in today's era in ODIs.

Even Dravid had a rapid fire 50 in ODis but that doesn't mean he could be an explosive batsmen.

Someone like Aravinda De Silva would have done better in today's times but not Sunny. Kallis the ODI bat is another useless player for today's era as he would have hogged all the strike and made SA lose many crucial moments in ODI.

 

[shaz619]

See you said stats and facts, I asked you a simple question regarding your claim and now you post a long story.

Is it Kohli's fault that Akram, Walsh, Warne are not playing today? By the way, Kohli has better average, better strike rate, more success in EVERY country (ODIs), more wins, more successful chases than Saeed Anwar.

Your narrow mind has failed to grasp my post because you refuse to accept the fallacy that is Virat Kohli which is why you will refuse to acknowledge the facts and truths that have been outlined. If you had paid attention to my post, your question would have been answered. The key here is the most prestigious tournament in limited overs to give you a clue and yes it would be silly to belittle quality in distinct era's but only cheerleaders will brush it aside with "is it kohli fault waaah waaaah waaah" no it's not his fault, in fact it's a blessing for him because his stats wouldn't be so padded

 

[GrandMaster]

In no order I'd say; Viv, Ponting, Lara , Bevan , Sangakara , ABDV , Sanath Jayasuriya, Matthew Hayden, Saeed Anwar , Adam Gilchrist

Obviously Sachin fans and those on the Kohli cool aid will only factor in statistics, bilateral prowess and HTBing because they are the be and end all when it comes to determining greatness

My order - Afridi, Shehzad, Hafeez, Saeed Anwar, Viv, Ponting, Lara, Bevan , Sangakara, ABDV.

 

[Hawkeye]

What was the single biggest factor that separates Viv and the Rest (According to You) ?

Is that a trick question?

Can't single out one factor. Many included - being very different to the rest of your competition, far ahead and doing something never heard of (strike rate, attacking cricket, high average).

Taking on the best bowlers (of not just that era, but ATG-level) and punishing them like no one else did.

Difficult conditions for batsmen, the helmet scene.

 

[Napa]

The Motorway King must have an incredible record in World Cups right? The playing field must have been level right between bat and ball to, am also guessing the quality of the bowling he faced was at it's absolute peak. Yeah am the demon because I don't worship a certain player like you or agree with certain views and deserve this hostility before telling me you're no Pakistani hater

I think you should really be making a case for Kohli rather than against him. The reason is simple. When you consistently lose to someone, you would like to believe they are of the highest quality, for otherwise it means you are really no good.

 

[Tusker]

Is that a trick question?

Can't single out one factor. Many included - being very different to the rest of your competition, far ahead and doing something never heard of (strike rate, attacking cricket, high average).

Taking on the best bowlers (of not just that era, but ATG-level) and punishing them like no one else did.

Difficult conditions for batsmen, the helmet scene.

All ATG fast bowlers of that ERA were in Viv's team. his record against them in WI Domestic ODI cricket is ordinary. Conditions that Tendulkar faced were pretty similar to Viv's era but he faced Max ATG bowlers.

 

[Tusker]

What people don't understand is Sunny was a product of his times. Times where scoring 200 in a day was considered good. Times where teams deliberately made underprepared wickets. Times where there were no neutral umpires. Sunny was slow and would have likely averaged 75 today but he also got a really quick hundred so he was capable of scoring quick.

Yes but nobody ever considers Sunny as a good ODI player even for those times .... for an opener it took him till his last 2-3 ODI's to score a 100 in a ODI inngs. And remember he played in few 55 and 60 over ODI's.

Also, people marking out for Viv and saying that no one stacks up in this era is complete and total crap. You are telling me, you transpose all the players from today's era, make them play in that era and NO ONE will succeed? These are international players, you know. So, blanket statements like these sound really ignorant.

Exactly ... even in those times Kapil Dev had a better S/R than Viv although his avg was poor. But he also faced all the WI fast bowlers that Viv never had to.