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India controls the cameras but not the truth: Fair cricket for everyone — can we follow the football broadcasting model?

Nice deflection, but again you’re missing the actual point. Nobody said football is free of controversies, it obviously isn’t. The difference is in football, the VAR system is not operated by Sky, BT, or a club’s own broadcaster. It’s run independently under FIFA/UEFA protocols, with operators separated from the broadcaster’s commercial interests.

In cricket, Star/Sony not only own the rights, they also control the feeds, the angles, and even the Hawk-Eye operators. That’s the conflict of interest. So when you say cricket is “more consistent” maybe in coverage, yes, but in terms of neutrality? Absolutely not.

And let’s not ignore fixtures either. Go back and check: in almost every ICC tournament, India are conveniently scheduled to play the last group-stage game. Why? Because if qualification comes down to net run rate, they know exactly what margin is required. That’s not paranoia, it’s right there in the fixture lists. Every other team plays blind, India play with full information. Another subtle advantage built into the system.

I’m not arguing against DRS itself, I’m arguing against who controls the switchboard. Wrong umpire calls are part of sport. Broadcaster manipulation and tailor-made fixtures aren’t. That’s why I’ve been saying from the start: fair cricket needs neutral broadcasting and neutral scheduling. Until then, every close India match will carry suspicion, whether you like it or not.
 
As a fan, it's always easy to let your bias lead you to genuinely believe the other country's getting an advantage. Always better to look at Stats.

Here's a Cricbuzz 2020 analysis on DRS success rate for tests. While there are minor variations, I think it points to the fact that most countries end up within a range and there's no statistically significant advantage for a country

TeamReviewsStruck downUmpire's CallUpheldUpheld%Retained %
Pak1359763223.70%28.15%
SA12784133023.62%33.86%
Eng21115774722.27%25.59%
Aus15111533321.85%23.84%
SL173121183419.65%30.06%
WI10574112019.05%29.52%
Ind14098162618.57%30.00%
Ban786041417.95%23.08%
NZ1058161817.14%22.86%

Here's the same analysis for ODIs + T20Is. India's right in the middle of the pack

TeamReviewsStruck downUmpire's CallUpheldUpheld%Retained %
NZ532961833.96%45.28%
Aus704632130.00%34.29%
SL895872426.97%34.83%
WI644071726.56%37.50%
Eng734951926.03%32.88%
Ind644081625.00%37.50%
SA734781824.66%35.62%
Ban452961022.22%35.56%
Pak674981014.93%26.87%
 
Oh so you are saying India has hackers on site when the match is going on to manipulate the DRS/Hawkeye in real time? Ok. You would have a point if the trajectory of the ball is way off everytime, to move things so precisely to swing decisions in Indias favor is not possible.

Also the other excuse I see all the time is toss.

In 2024 WT20- Pak won the toss, couldn’t chase 119

2025 CT- Pak won the toss, lost the game

Asia cup- Pak won toss in the first match, lost the game

Yes India did win toss in the next 2 games but cmon lol. Don’t be a conspiracy theorist. Especially when losing it’s the worst time.

The commentators are biased towards Indians, sure you have a point but nothing that effects the gameplay.
 
Nice deflection, but again you’re missing the actual point. Nobody said football is free of controversies, it obviously isn’t. The difference is in football, the VAR system is not operated by Sky, BT, or a club’s own broadcaster. It’s run independently under FIFA/UEFA protocols, with operators separated from the broadcaster’s commercial interests.

In cricket, Star/Sony not only own the rights, they also control the feeds, the angles, and even the Hawk-Eye operators. That’s the conflict of interest. So when you say cricket is “more consistent” maybe in coverage, yes, but in terms of neutrality? Absolutely not.

And let’s not ignore fixtures either. Go back and check: in almost every ICC tournament, India are conveniently scheduled to play the last group-stage game. Why? Because if qualification comes down to net run rate, they know exactly what margin is required. That’s not paranoia, it’s right there in the fixture lists. Every other team plays blind, India play with full information. Another subtle advantage built into the system.

I’m not arguing against DRS itself, I’m arguing against who controls the switchboard. Wrong umpire calls are part of sport. Broadcaster manipulation and tailor-made fixtures aren’t. That’s why I’ve been saying from the start: fair cricket needs neutral broadcasting and neutral scheduling. Until then, every close India match will carry suspicion, whether you like it or not.
If there was neutral broadcasting you would be accusing india of paying off those neutral guys next. Just as the neutral Pycroft was accused. As I said, paranoid conspiracy theories never stop.
 
Until then, every close India match will carry suspicion, whether you like it or not.
Enjoy sitting on the sidelines with suspicion as your friend 😂

Why are you still peddling your half and no truths btw
 
It’s funny how whenever this topic comes up, the default response is either to call it “conspiracy theories,” bring up old losses, or start waving the flag. None of that changes the central point: (fair cricket requires neutral broadcasting.)

I’m not talking about hackers sitting inside Hawk-Eye machines or every decision being rigged. I’m saying when the (broadcaster, the technology operators, and the rights holder are all under the same flag), the conflict of interest is obvious. If the feed is delayed, if certain frames are skipped, if Hawk-Eye margins are presented in ways that always seem to tilt one way, fans have every right to question it.

Even if you want to quote Cricbuzz numbers, stats don’t capture the key moments. A single dubious overturn in a knockout game swings more than ten routine decisions in Tests. It’s about timing and optics, not just volume.

And let’s not ignore fixtures either: India being scheduled to play the (last group game in almost every ICC event) gives them the net run rate advantage. That’s not paranoia, that’s a documented pattern. Add to that broadcasters conveniently avoiding awkward moments (like the toss handshake incident), and you have a system that simply isn’t neutral.

You can mock, call it “paranoia,” or wave the “we’re rich” card. But if cricket wants to be trusted globally, it needs neutral production, the same way football, tennis, and even rugby separate governing bodies from broadcasters. Otherwise, you’re not defending India, you’re defending a system where (the referee, the cameraman, and the scoreboard operator all wear the same jersey.)

FAIR CRICKET FOR EVERYONE = NEUTRAL BROADCAST. That’s the beginning and the end of the argument.
 
It’s funny how whenever this topic comes up, the default response is either to call it “conspiracy theories,” bring up old losses, or start waving the flag. None of that changes the central point: (fair cricket requires neutral broadcasting.)

I’m not talking about hackers sitting inside Hawk-Eye machines or every decision being rigged. I’m saying when the (broadcaster, the technology operators, and the rights holder are all under the same flag), the conflict of interest is obvious. If the feed is delayed, if certain frames are skipped, if Hawk-Eye margins are presented in ways that always seem to tilt one way, fans have every right to question it.

Even if you want to quote Cricbuzz numbers, stats don’t capture the key moments. A single dubious overturn in a knockout game swings more than ten routine decisions in Tests. It’s about timing and optics, not just volume.

And let’s not ignore fixtures either: India being scheduled to play the (last group game in almost every ICC event) gives them the net run rate advantage. That’s not paranoia, that’s a documented pattern. Add to that broadcasters conveniently avoiding awkward moments (like the toss handshake incident), and you have a system that simply isn’t neutral.

You can mock, call it “paranoia,” or wave the “we’re rich” card. But if cricket wants to be trusted globally, it needs neutral production, the same way football, tennis, and even rugby separate governing bodies from broadcasters. Otherwise, you’re not defending India, you’re defending a system where (the referee, the cameraman, and the scoreboard operator all wear the same jersey.)

FAIR CRICKET FOR EVERYONE = NEUTRAL BROADCAST. That’s the beginning and the end of the argument.
Which sport has neutral broadcaster?? Please enlighten us, because football is not the correct answer here.
Just ignorant rants non-stop.
 
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India is playing in Australia today, these tactics aint gonna work there, they have a tighter grip on such things. Difficult to "Win" now for India this tour.

When India national cricket team plays in Australia, the host broadcaster is typically Fox Cricket (part of Fox Sports Australia). Even though Star Sports may have broadcast rights for the Indian market, they do not control the on-ground production, that power remains with the Australian host.

Here’s how it usually works:

Cameras, Hawk-Eye, stump mics, and DRS feeds are operated by the host broadcaster (Fox).

Star Sports just takes the international feed and adds their own commentary panel and studio discussions for Indian viewers.

This significantly reduces the chance of bias, because India has no control over the base production.

Match officials, third umpire and Hawk-Eye operators are neutral (appointed under International Cricket Council protocols).


So yes, if the match is in Australia, the broadcaster bias angle is much less of a concern. It doesn’t mean errors can’t happen but the control won’t be in Indian hands, which is the main issue i raised during Asia Cup 2025 or people raise during ICC home tournaments in India.
 
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India is playing in Australia today, these tactics aint gonna work there, they have a tighter grip on such things. Difficult to "Win" now for India this tour.
Do you Even know that last 7-8 years ,india have won more test in australia than everyone including home team .

India won more Limited over match than any other team in same period of time against Australia.

Rohit and Kohli are burden for team india these days so not sure about winning ODI series but we will smashed Australia in 5 match T20 series.

:klopp :kp
 
Do you Even know that last 7-8 years ,india have won more test in australia than everyone including home team .

India won more Limited over match than any other team in same period of time against Australia.

Rohit and Kohli are burden for team india these days so not sure about winning ODI series but we will smashed Australia in 5 match T20 series.

:klopp :kp
Why bother? You don't explain logic and facts to them. Let them keep cooking conspiracy theories and satisfy themselves.​
 
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Why bother? You don't explain logic and facts to them. Let them keep cooking conspiracy theories and satisfy themselves.​
I need to exposed Pakistan fake propaganda brigade ,they are first one to show the victim mentality whenever someone exposed them. :klopp :jp
 
No rigging in broadcast and officials today… sorry India, no after-match party this time.


Looks like neutral broadcast and fair umpiring aren’t invited to India’s usual celebration.


No friendly third umpire, no blurry replays, no sudden Hawk-Eye magic… and look at the scoreline.


When there’s no director’s cut to ‘adjust’ the match… India suddenly forgets how to win.


Today no one pressed the ‘India advantage’ button in the TV truck awkward silence in the control room.


Fair officiating + neutral broadcast + TV Director Patel to TV Umpire ipl employ = no free win = no party for India 😂.
 
No rigging in broadcast and officials today… sorry India, no after-match party this time.


Looks like neutral broadcast and fair umpiring aren’t invited to India’s usual celebration.


No friendly third umpire, no blurry replays, no sudden Hawk-Eye magic… and look at the scoreline.


When there’s no director’s cut to ‘adjust’ the match… India suddenly forgets how to win.


Today no one pressed the ‘India advantage’ button in the TV truck awkward silence in the control room.


Fair officiating + neutral broadcast + TV Director Patel to TV Umpire ipl employ = no free win = no party for India 😂.
India is the team that have won two consecutive test series in AUS. Where were was this neutral broadcast ? Arey u really dumb or trying to be one ?
 
No bonus camera angles, no delayed replays, no DRS miracles… and poof India forgets cricket!


Seems like the TV director in Australia didn’t get BCCI’s ‘special script’ this time.


When Star Sports can’t edit reality… the scoreboard speaks louder than the commentary.


No friendly Hawk-Eye to bend the ball back in turns out physics isn’t patriotic after all.


Two ODIs, two Ls lol looks like India’s real weakness is neutral broadcasting!


Guess the post-match juice party got cancelled, no umpire gifts this time!


🤫Without the TV truck whispering ‘review that one,’ the magic suddenly disappears.


Fair cameras, honest umpires, and real cricket, that combo seems to be India’s kryptonite.
 
Pakistanis and their kaanspiracies- never fail to amuse.....
Chris Broad, Greg Chappell…spilling stories now, Dalmiya’s ghost probably nodding somewhere but sure, keep calling it ‘conspiracy’ 😂 When insiders start confirming what fans said years ago, that’s not theory, that’s history repeating itself.

If cricket really wants to be global, it should adopt the same model as football: neutral host broadcasters controlled by the ICC/ACC, not a single country’s commercial TV channel. Until then, people will keep calling it the “India Cup” instead of World Cup.
 
Chris Broad, Greg Chappell…spilling stories now, Dalmiya’s ghost probably nodding somewhere but sure, keep calling it ‘conspiracy’ 😂 When insiders start confirming what fans said years ago, that’s not theory, that’s history repeating itself.

If cricket really wants to be global, it should adopt the same model as football: neutral host broadcasters controlled by the ICC/ACC, not a single country’s commercial TV channel. Until then, people will keep calling it the “India Cup” instead of World Cup.

Who is Chris Broad protecting that he can't reveal his name ?
 
Australian umpires were so baised today. Not given wides and given tim David not out even catch was clean. :klopp :kp
 
Come on now new kaanspiracies please now that Indian women have lifted the WC...

Let the kaanspiracies flow :noori
 
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Why they didn't take 3rd umpire for this :jimmy
They are trying out smart replay method this world cup to save time. So third umpire is watching real time and then relaying the decision to on field umpire, without waiting for the on field umpire to signal. You can see the umpire listening on her ear phone before signaling out, the third umpire had asked her to give out.
 
They are trying out smart replay method this world cup to save time. So third umpire is watching real time and then relaying the decision to on field umpire, without waiting for the on field umpire to signal. You can see the umpire listening on her ear phone before signaling out, the third umpire had asked her to give out.
Yeah I saw the chat happening through her ear piece. Wasn't aware of the term Smart Replay though.

We're just trolling a ridiculous thread by someone whose entire premise is - India does worse in SENA than at home BECAUSE they can't control the cameras. He also has zero clue about rights and sports production.
 
Yeah I saw the chat happening through her ear piece. Wasn't aware of the term Smart Replay though.

We're just trolling a ridiculous thread by someone whose entire premise is - India does worse in SENA than at home BECAUSE they can't control the cameras. He also has zero clue about rights and sports production.
Missed following the game in the 80's (born in 86'), but still remember clearly how mediocre we were away from home in the 90's. Yet we never cooked conspiracy theories.

Conspiracy theories are for bona fide losers.​
 
I agree, Bouncer bro.

Nothing can be done about this unfortunately as the BCCI has every single broadcaster, umpire, ex player, match referee in their pocket.

PCB along with Saudia can be the teue saviour of cricket. PCB with its flawless acumen and legal prowess and Saudia with the money..

Bcc’s days are numbered if you ask me

When i joined this forum aposter said emiratis will team up with pcb to finish ipl and bcci. Now emiratis have a League but majority teams are owned by Indian s

Why don't pakistanis put in their money or they can only complain and hopeand dream about fall of BCCI

When the teams forthe hundred were sold how many pakistanis bid for it?
 
When i joined this forum aposter said emiratis will team up with pcb to finish ipl and bcci. Now emiratis have a League but majority teams are owned by Indian s

Why don't pakistanis put in their money or they can only complain and hopeand dream about fall of BCCI

When the teams forthe hundred were sold how many pakistanis bid for it?
Because they don’t have any.

That is the cause of their envy.

India will peel away further.
 
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“And here we go again… but tell me more about ‘conspiracy theories’.”

Jasprit Bumrah’s 100th T20 wicket… on a NO BALL.
Clear as daylight. Front foot over the line.
No check. No freeze-frame. No dramatic slow-mo. Just vibes.

This is exactly what this thread was about from DAY ONE.
Not that India can’t win matches but that key moments are manufactured, protected, or quietly brushed under the carpet by broadcasters and officials who don’t want to rock the boat.

Funny how marginal edges get zoomed in 300x when it suits the narrative, but front-foot no-balls suddenly become optional when a milestone is at stake.
Technology doesn’t fail selective use of technology does.

And before the usual choir starts singing:

“India doesn’t need favours.”



Great. Then why are milestones, tight moments, and momentum-shifting calls always wrapped in controversy?

This is why people are talking about neutral broadcast.
Because when broadcasters decide what you see and what you don’t, they’re not just showing the game they’re shaping the story.

You laughed at this thread.
You mocked it.
You called it paranoia.

Yet here we are again.

Fair cricket isn’t anti-India.
Blind denial isn’t nationalism it’s insecurity.

FAIR CRICKET FOR EVERYONE. Neutral broadcast. Full transparency. Or stop pretending this is sport. :)
 
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Wait for some posters from à certain country to come and tell us it is not a no ball
 
Wait for some posters from à certain country to come and tell us it is not a no ball

@Devadwal Why are you quiet on this cheating???

was it not a no ball??
Nah, they’re busy reminding everyone about the $3-billion TV deal right now.
It’s less cricket governance, more ‘nice sport you have there… shame if something happened to it.’

This is how it works:
When you control the money, you don’t need to argue facts.
You don’t need angles.
You don’t need proof.
You just need silence and suddenly a no-ball becomes “inconclusive.”

That front foot was over. Clear as day.
But sure, let’s pretend physics takes national instructions now.

This isn’t about one wicket or one match it’s about who blinks first.
Broadcasters blink.
Officials blink.
Administrators blink.

Because everyone knows where the cash comes from and nobody wants consequences.

So no, don’t “wait for them to explain it.”
They don’t explain.
They dictate.

And we’re told to call that “the health of the game.”

FAIR CRICKET FOR EVERYONE or stop selling this as sport and call it what it is: a business with a bat and ball. 🏏💰🔥 :)
 
No demand for Fair Cricket or a long passionate rant on "health of cricket" today?

Is the usual Rona dhona hai Mera kirkut gang staying zipped coz its the Ashes and they can't stick it on India ...

Hypocrites....
 
No demand for Fair Cricket or a long passionate rant on "health of cricket" today?

Is the usual Rona dhona hai Mera kirkut gang staying zipped coz its the Ashes and they can't stick it on India ...

Hypocrites....
They only cry about BCCI , Australia or ECB ki bat ate hi muh pe lock lag jata hai. :klopp :kp
 
They only cry about BCCI , Australia or ECB ki bat ate hi muh pe lock lag jata hai. :klopp :kp
Uncle Tom or colonial slave mentality, that is the verdict.

Break the shackles dear "kirkut in danger" tribewallahs...don't be a ghulaam and take some pot shots at your ex masters and their convicts ....
 
No demand for Fair Cricket or a long passionate rant on "health of cricket" today?

Is the usual Rona dhona hai Mera kirkut gang staying zipped coz its the Ashes and they can't stick it on India ...

Hypocrites....
I think it would be hypocricy if people felt this was delibarately unfair from Aussie broadcasters rather than human error, and kept silent about it.

Do you think Aussies pulled a fast one?
 
I think it would be hypocricy if people felt this was delibarately unfair from Aussie broadcasters rather than human error, and kept silent about it.

Do you think Aussies pulled a fast one?
Aussies don’t need to pull a fast one at home against England — why cheat when the opposition is already rubbish?

From memory, the host broadcaster is Fox Cricket — and unless I’ve missed something, they’re hardly Switzerland.

So why the sudden silence and zero brouhaha over today’s little blooper by the host broadcaster?

Why is “neutrality” demanded only when it suits the narrative?

The only thing that’s crystal clear is that some posters are still mentally shackled — clinging to a colonial hangover they just can’t seem to shake.
 
Aussies don’t need to pull a fast one at home against England — why cheat when the opposition is already rubbish?

From memory, the host broadcaster is Fox Cricket — and unless I’ve missed something, they’re hardly Switzerland.

So why the sudden silence and zero brouhaha over today’s little blooper by the host broadcaster?

Why is “neutrality” demanded only when it suits the narrative?

The only thing that’s crystal clear is that some posters are still mentally shackled — clinging to a colonial hangover they just can’t seem to shake.
Did you watch the India vs South Africa series? :inti
 
Funny how the Kaanspiracy sultans are silent on the Ashes brouhaha...with the whole 24/7 BCCICC in context

i actually might start a thread on the most outlandish Kaanspiracies that are mentioned here , the whole 9 yards of baaal mein chip, Taas mein chip, pitch mein chip, used vaseline, Baees pandat bithayei, stayed in one hotel, one room- had breakfast at the same table, cut hair at the same saloon and the evergreen IPL contracts... :afridi :ds :ifticool
 
Camera dont matter. World can see who is making right decision and who is being biased... Chill

Bouncer veerjee ne vi Ozzie yorker sorry Snicko te mamlaat vich chup rehna hi munasib samjheya...
Ei Snicko Snicko—awaaz zyada, faisla ghatt denda paaya down under....
:noori
 
Let’s clear this once and for all, because the deliberate misreading is getting tiring.

When a Snicko error happens in the Ashes, people rightly call it a technical or human error and guess what?

That’s exactly my point.
Errors can happen anywhere. No one claimed Fox Cricket, Sky, or Channel 7 are saints or “Switzerland”.

The difference which some here are conveniently pretending not to understand is POWER, SCALE, and PATTERN.

Australia or England do not control:

• ICC revenue streams
• Global broadcast rights leverage
• Tournament scheduling
• Prime-time global windows
• The ecosystem officials depend on for future contracts

That’s not “colonial hangover” that’s basic governance reality.

What I NEVER said

• That only India makes mistakes
• That every wrong decision is cheating
• That Ashes errors = conspiracy

What I DID say (from day one)

• When one board dominates money, broadcast, scheduling, and influence, neutrality becomes impossible • Broadcast bias + dependent officials = structural conflict of interest • Fair cricket needs neutral production, not nationalist TV trucks


Calling this “rona dhona”, “ghulaami”, or “kaanspiracy” is just noise to avoid the real issue.
Funny how asking for neutral oversight suddenly triggers personal abuse, mockery, and deflection.

If neutrality only sounds “important” when it hurts India then maybe the insecurity isn’t on my side.

And one last thing:

If this was all nonsense, you wouldn’t need: • Whataboutism
• Abuse in Hindi/Urdu slang
• Colonial jibes
• Or 20 posts avoiding the actual question

You’d simply say:

> “Yes, neutral broadcast is a reasonable governance reform.”


But you can’t.
Because deep down, you know this system works beautifully for one side.

Fair cricket for everyone.
Neutral broadcast.
Independent oversight.
No exceptions. :)
 
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Let’s clear this once and for all, because the deliberate misreading is getting tiring.

When a Snicko error happens in the Ashes, people rightly call it a technical or human error and guess what?

That’s exactly my point.
Errors can happen anywhere. No one claimed Fox Cricket, Sky, or Channel 7 are saints or “Switzerland”.

The difference which some here are conveniently pretending not to understand is POWER, SCALE, and PATTERN.

Australia or England do not control: • ICC revenue streams
• Global broadcast rights leverage
• Tournament scheduling
• Prime-time global windows
• The ecosystem officials depend on for future contracts

That’s not “colonial hangover” that’s basic governance reality.

What I NEVER said

• That only India makes mistakes
• That every wrong decision is cheating
• That Ashes errors = conspiracy

What I DID say (from day one)

• When one board dominates money, broadcast, scheduling, and influence, neutrality becomes impossible • Broadcast bias + dependent officials = structural conflict of interest • Fair cricket needs neutral production, not nationalist TV trucks


Calling this “rona dhona”, “ghulaami”, or “kaanspiracy” is just noise to avoid the real issue.
Funny how asking for neutral oversight suddenly triggers personal abuse, mockery, and deflection.

If neutrality only sounds “important” when it hurts India then maybe the insecurity isn’t on my side.

And one last thing:

If this was all nonsense, you wouldn’t need: • Whataboutism
• Abuse in Hindi/Urdu slang
• Colonial jibes
• Or 20 posts avoiding the actual question

You’d simply say:

> “Yes, neutral broadcast is a reasonable governance reform.”


But you can’t.
Because deep down, you know this system works beautifully for one side.

Fair cricket for everyone.
Neutral broadcast.
Independent oversight.
No exceptions. :)
There is no "real issue". Everything is in your littled head. These mistakes happened in many series that did not involve India. Fans rightly mocked you for your imaginary accusation. You bumped this thread right after one mistake. Now you are all getting defensive when multiple incidents were pointed from different series. It is not what aboutery. They just expose your hypocritical vision. No amount of word salad can cover that.
 
Dear OP, this isn’t whataboutery — it’s simply the inevitable response when one adopts a sanctimonious tone and then implies India can only win by “rigging the system.”
The extended lengthy essays that followed havent clarified matters; it has merely underlined how flimsy and ridiculous and under cookedthe original point was.

Perhaps best to take it on the chin and move on ;
hun bas, thand rakh ke baitho… gall je samajh aa gayi ae.
 
T20 World Cup almost here, in India, in about two weeks. The biggest money spinner for the ICC so let’s see how things magically “work themselves out”. A few broadcaster glitches here, a couple of Hawk-Eye delays there, maybe some conveniently missing angles when it matters most.

Nothing new just business as usual when the host is also the biggest cheque writer. I’m sure everything will be “purely technical errors” and “human judgement”.

Anyway, bookmarking this thread now, will bump it again 2 days before Pak vs India 🍿 Let’s see how neutral technology feels that night. 😜
 
T20 World Cup almost here, in India, in about two weeks. The biggest money spinner for the ICC so let’s see how things magically “work themselves out”. A few broadcaster glitches here, a couple of Hawk-Eye delays there, maybe some conveniently missing angles when it matters most.

Nothing new just business as usual when the host is also the biggest cheque writer. I’m sure everything will be “purely technical errors” and “human judgement”.

Anyway, bookmarking this thread now, will bump it again 2 days before Pak vs India 🍿 Let’s see how neutral technology feels that night. 😜
You have not proven a single time that it ever magically worked out for India in any tournament or that india has got more advantage than other teams in any tournament

So why do you think people are interested in you just lying and making stuff as usual? PP used to have a fan fiction forum but it's not active anymore.
 
T20 World Cup almost here, in India, in about two weeks. The biggest money spinner for the ICC so let’s see how things magically “work themselves out”. A few broadcaster glitches here, a couple of Hawk-Eye delays there, maybe some conveniently missing angles when it matters most.

Nothing new just business as usual when the host is also the biggest cheque writer. I’m sure everything will be “purely technical errors” and “human judgement”.

Anyway, bookmarking this thread now, will bump it again 2 days before Pak vs India 🍿 Let’s see how neutral technology feels that night. 😜

ICC events are losing credibility due to a certain team receiving all sorts of blatant perks (venue perks, scheduling perks, umpiring decisions going in favor etc.). :inti
 
Star Sports already warming up with their usual degrading ads towards Pakistan setting the narrative nice and early. Smart move. Build the story first, then let the cameras “cooperate” later.

T20 World Cup in India. Biggest ICC cash cow. Same host, same broadcaster, same ecosystem. So let’s see how many “technical glitches”, delayed Hawk-Eye frames, missing front-foot checks, and convenient zoom angles we get this time.

Of course, everything will be labelled as human error. Always is.

Bookmarking this thread now. Will bump it two days before Pak vs India 🍿
Let’s see how neutral Star Sports suddenly becomes that night.
ICC events are losing credibility due to a certain team receiving all sorts of blatant perks (venue perks, scheduling perks, umpiring decisions going in favor etc.). :inti
 
Star Sports already warming up with their usual degrading ads towards Pakistan setting the narrative nice and early. Smart move. Build the story first, then let the cameras “cooperate” later.

T20 World Cup in India. Biggest ICC cash cow. Same host, same broadcaster, same ecosystem. So let’s see how many “technical glitches”, delayed Hawk-Eye frames, missing front-foot checks, and convenient zoom angles we get this time.

Of course, everything will be labelled as human error. Always is.

Bookmarking this thread now. Will bump it two days before Pak vs India 🍿
Let’s see how neutral Star Sports suddenly becomes that night.

Cricket is finished. World Cups have become a farce due to one team receiving perks over other teams.

Cricket cannot recover, unless cricket becomes free from Indian grip. That's the harsh truth. :inti

I mostly watch cricket for some specific series now (Ashes, Eng-Pak, Aus-SA, Pak-Aus etc.). World Cups have lost the meaning. World Cup has become Sanghi Cup or India Cup.
 
Star Sports already warming up with their usual degrading ads towards Pakistan setting the narrative nice and early. Smart move. Build the story first, then let the cameras “cooperate” later.

T20 World Cup in India. Biggest ICC cash cow. Same host, same broadcaster, same ecosystem. So let’s see how many “technical glitches”, delayed Hawk-Eye frames, missing front-foot checks, and convenient zoom angles we get this time.

Of course, everything will be labelled as human error. Always is.

Bookmarking this thread now. Will bump it two days before Pak vs India 🍿
Let’s see how neutral Star Sports suddenly becomes that night.

I suppose the camera's weren't co-operating during the 2023 WC Final and the 2 WTC Finals where India lost ?

I mean just look how preposterous and embarrassing your claims are ... use that God given brain :facepalm:
 
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Cricket is finished. World Cups have become a farce due to one team receiving perks over other teams.

Cricket cannot recover, unless cricket becomes free from Indian grip. That's the harsh truth. :inti

I mostly watch cricket for some specific series now (Ashes, Eng-Pak, Aus-SA, Pak-Aus etc.). World Cups have lost the meaning. World Cup has become Sanghi Cup or India Cup.
And here you go Pakistan opted out against India in WorldCup, Pakistan protesting one team recieving perks ;) My opening post clearly mentioned one team recieving perks.

Pakistan opting out isn’t “running away” it’s called refusing to participate in a system that keeps pretending neutrality while operating like a closed club.
When the host, broadcaster, scheduler, and biggest financial controller all answer to the same board, then “fairness” becomes a PR slogan, not a reality.

BCCI and Jay Shah don’t need to rig matches directly. They just need an ecosystem where every “error” conveniently leans one way scheduling advantages, friendly venues, broadcaster angles, tech delays, and soft accountability.

So spare us the nationalism chest-thumping. If everything is truly clean, transparent, and neutral, independent broadcasting and neutral event control shouldn’t scare anyone.

Pakistan stepping away isn’t fear. It’s a protest against structural imbalance.
Funny thing is the loudest outrage always comes from those who benefit the most :)
 
And here you go Pakistan opted out against India in WorldCup, Pakistan protesting one team recieving perks ;) My opening post clearly mentioned one team recieving perks.

Pakistan opting out isn’t “running away” it’s called refusing to participate in a system that keeps pretending neutrality while operating like a closed club.
When the host, broadcaster, scheduler, and biggest financial controller all answer to the same board, then “fairness” becomes a PR slogan, not a reality.

BCCI and Jay Shah don’t need to rig matches directly. They just need an ecosystem where every “error” conveniently leans one way scheduling advantages, friendly venues, broadcaster angles, tech delays, and soft accountability.

So spare us the nationalism chest-thumping. If everything is truly clean, transparent, and neutral, independent broadcasting and neutral event control shouldn’t scare anyone.

Pakistan stepping away isn’t fear. It’s a protest against structural imbalance.
Funny thing is the loudest outrage always comes from those who benefit the most :)

Looks like you misunderstood my post. I was criticizing India. :inti

I was highlighting India's hijacking of cricket.
 
Looks like you misunderstood my post. I was criticizing India. :inti

I was highlighting India's hijacking of cricket.
Anyways … I was actually looking forward to exposing Jay Shah + Star Sports TV directors’ creative “broadcasting genius” again.

Slow-mo magically missing, awkward camera angles, delayed replays, selective zoom-ins, Snicko buffering, hotspot sleeping… the full Bollywood production.

No 🇮🇳 vs 🇵🇰, no fun.

No opportunity to watch “winning tactics” being assisted by a friendly TV director sitting behind the switchboard.
Guess the circus got cancelled before the clowns could perform.

Maybe next tournament because these guys never disappoint when it comes to innovation.

The real loss today isn’t the match.
It’s the loss of another chance to watch broadcast-assisted greatness :)
 
I suppose the camera's weren't co-operating during the 2023 WC Final and the 2 WTC Finals where India lost ?

I mean just look how preposterous and embarrassing your claims are ... use that God given brain :facepalm:

@Ryw No response to that ? ?
 
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I suppose the camera's weren't co-operating during the 2023 WC Final and the 2 WTC Finals where India lost ?

I mean just look how preposterous and embarrassing your claims are ... use that God given brain :facepalm:
I love how every time someone raises systemic advantage, the response is always reduced to:
"But India lost some finals so everything must be fair."

That’s not how power structures work. That’s not how institutional influence works. And it’s definitely not how corruption, bias, or leverage has ever functioned in the history of sport.

Let me explain slowly, since “use that God-given brain” was mentioned.
Nobody serious claims India wins every match because of broadcasting or officials.

That’s a strawman you invented.
The claim is: India enjoys structural advantages in ICC events:

Scheduling
Venue allocation
Travel minimisation
Timezone optimisation
Commercial leverage
Host broadcaster control
Advantages increase probability. They do not guarantee trophies.

If advantages guaranteed trophies, England would have won every Ashes at home. If money guaranteed titles, PSG would own Europe. If home advantage guaranteed wins, India wouldn’t have lost any home Tests.

Yet advantages still exist.
Both things can be true: 👉 India can lose finals
👉 India can still be institutionally favoured

These are not mutually exclusive.
Using Indian losses as “proof of fairness” is logically bankrupt
By that logic:

FIFA isn’t corrupt because Brazil lost World Cups.
IOC isn’t corrupt because USA doesn’t win every gold.
Boxing promoters aren’t corrupt because favorites sometimes lose.
Corruption and bias don’t mean “perfect outcomes every time”.
They mean:

Tilted ecosystems
Unequal leverage
Friendly frameworks
Sometimes the better team still wins. Sometimes the house edge isn’t enough.
That doesn’t erase the house edge.
Broadcast influence is about MOMENTS, not MATCH RESULTS

Nobody claims:

“TV director presses a button and India wins”

It’s about:
Replay selection
Angle availability
Speed of evidence delivery
Framing of close calls
Technology reliability
Small moments matter.
One no-ball. One LBW review. One edge. One boundary call. One soft signal.
T20 margins are tiny.

If you think broadcast control has zero impact on decision-making, then you fundamentally don’t understand how modern officiating works.

DRS is only as good as: 👉 The feeds provided
👉 The angles shown
👉 The timing delivered
Who controls that feed?
Host broadcaster.
Who is the most powerful host broadcaster partner in cricket?
BCCI-backed networks.
This is not controversial. This is documented.

Even ICC insiders have spoken about pressure
Chris Broad (former ICC match referee) has openly spoken about being discouraged from punishing India for slow over rates.

Former coaches, administrators, and journalists have repeatedly referenced political pressure around Indian cricket.
Are they all hallucinating too?

Or only credible when they praise India?
Your argument basically boils down to:
“Because India lost some big matches, therefore India cannot possibly enjoy institutional advantages.”

That is child-level reasoning.
A casino sometimes loses to a gambler.
Doesn’t mean the casino isn’t rigged in its own favor.

Let’s flip your logic
If cameras + broadcasters are irrelevant:
Why do boards fight tooth and nail for host broadcasting rights?

Why does ICC sell those rights for billions?
Why do production standards differ across countries?
Why are neutral broadcasters demanded only when India hosts?

You can’t simultaneously say:
“Broadcast doesn’t matter” and “Broadcasting rights are worth billions”
Pick one.

Final point
India losing finals doesn’t disprove anything.

It only proves that:

Even with structural comfort, You still have to play cricket.
Sometimes Australia outplays you. Sometimes pressure beats you. Sometimes plans fail.
That’s sport.
But pretending structural favoritism doesn’t exist because India isn’t invincible is either:

Naivety
Dishonesty
Or blind nationalism
Choose whichever fits.

TL;DR

India losing finals ≠ cricket is fair
India losing finals ≠ no structural advantage
India losing finals ≠ broadcasters are neutral
It simply means advantage ≠ guarantee.
Big difference :)
 
Star Sports already warming up with their usual degrading ads towards Pakistan setting the narrative nice and early. Smart move. Build the story first, then let the cameras “cooperate” later.

T20 World Cup in India. Biggest ICC cash cow. Same host, same broadcaster, same ecosystem. So let’s see how many “technical glitches”, delayed Hawk-Eye frames, missing front-foot checks, and convenient zoom angles we get this time.

Of course, everything will be labelled as human error. Always is.

Bookmarking this thread now. Will bump it two days before Pak vs India 🍿
Let’s see how neutral Star Sports suddenly becomes that night.

@Ryw Thats your post to which I was responding. Look at the bold sentences where you explicitly accuse of pretty much blatant misuse of tech to benefit India so much so that you are certain that it is bound to re-occur in the upcoming T20 WC.

But now in Post# 150 you seem to be singing a different tune? So how did India win the last T20 WC when Star sports wasn't even the host broadcaster ? Approximately How many decisions did India benefit from?

You keep saying that India keeps enjoying "institutional" influence. Prove it thru hard facts instead of sitting on the fence and being vague. Which matches/wkts decisions that resulted in India getting undue advantage according to you ?

But according to Grok this is how the Hawk-Eye system is used and the host broadcaster is not controlling those equipment:
  1. Hawk-Eye Innovations (owned by Sony) fully owns, installs, and operates the system.​
  2. A dedicated team of Hawk-Eye technicians and operators (not broadcaster staff or match officials) handles setup before a series or tournament.​
  3. Operators work from an on-site control van or room, monitoring feeds, ensuring tracking locks onto the ball, and generating replays when the third umpire requests them for DRS.​
  4. Cameras are fixed and dedicated solely to Hawk-Eye—they are not the same as broadcast cameras controlled by the host broadcaster (e.g., Star Sports, Sky Sports).


I love how every time someone raises systemic advantage, the response is always reduced to:
"But India lost some finals so everything must be fair."

That’s not how power structures work. That’s not how institutional influence works. And it’s definitely not how corruption, bias, or leverage has ever functioned in the history of sport.

Let me explain slowly, since “use that God-given brain” was mentioned.
Nobody serious claims India wins every match because of broadcasting or officials.

That’s a strawman you invented.
The claim is: India enjoys structural advantages in ICC events:

Scheduling
Venue allocation
Travel minimisation
Timezone optimisation
Commercial leverage
Host broadcaster control
Advantages increase probability. They do not guarantee trophies.

If advantages guaranteed trophies, England would have won every Ashes at home. If money guaranteed titles, PSG would own Europe. If home advantage guaranteed wins, India wouldn’t have lost any home Tests.

Yet advantages still exist.
Both things can be true: 👉 India can lose finals
👉 India can still be institutionally favoured

These are not mutually exclusive.
Using Indian losses as “proof of fairness” is logically bankrupt
By that logic:

FIFA isn’t corrupt because Brazil lost World Cups.
IOC isn’t corrupt because USA doesn’t win every gold.
Boxing promoters aren’t corrupt because favorites sometimes lose.
Corruption and bias don’t mean “perfect outcomes every time”.
They mean:

Tilted ecosystems
Unequal leverage
Friendly frameworks
Sometimes the better team still wins. Sometimes the house edge isn’t enough.
That doesn’t erase the house edge.
Broadcast influence is about MOMENTS, not MATCH RESULTS

Nobody claims:

“TV director presses a button and India wins”

It’s about:
Replay selection
Angle availability
Speed of evidence delivery
Framing of close calls
Technology reliability
Small moments matter.
One no-ball. One LBW review. One edge. One boundary call. One soft signal.
T20 margins are tiny.

If you think broadcast control has zero impact on decision-making, then you fundamentally don’t understand how modern officiating works.

DRS is only as good as: 👉 The feeds provided
👉 The angles shown
👉 The timing delivered
Who controls that feed?
Host broadcaster.
Who is the most powerful host broadcaster partner in cricket?
BCCI-backed networks.
This is not controversial. This is documented.

Even ICC insiders have spoken about pressure
Chris Broad (former ICC match referee) has openly spoken about being discouraged from punishing India for slow over rates.

Former coaches, administrators, and journalists have repeatedly referenced political pressure around Indian cricket.
Are they all hallucinating too?

Or only credible when they praise India?
Your argument basically boils down to:
“Because India lost some big matches, therefore India cannot possibly enjoy institutional advantages.”

That is child-level reasoning.
A casino sometimes loses to a gambler.
Doesn’t mean the casino isn’t rigged in its own favor.

Let’s flip your logic
If cameras + broadcasters are irrelevant:
Why do boards fight tooth and nail for host broadcasting rights?

Why does ICC sell those rights for billions?
Why do production standards differ across countries?
Why are neutral broadcasters demanded only when India hosts?

You can’t simultaneously say:
“Broadcast doesn’t matter” and “Broadcasting rights are worth billions”
Pick one.

Final point
India losing finals doesn’t disprove anything.

It only proves that:

Even with structural comfort, You still have to play cricket.
Sometimes Australia outplays you. Sometimes pressure beats you. Sometimes plans fail.
That’s sport.
But pretending structural favoritism doesn’t exist because India isn’t invincible is either:

Naivety
Dishonesty
Or blind nationalism
Choose whichever fits.

TL;DR

India losing finals ≠ cricket is fair
India losing finals ≠ no structural advantage
India losing finals ≠ broadcasters are neutral
It simply means advantage ≠ guarantee.
Big difference :)
 
You’re trying to turn this into a gotcha when it isn’t one, so let’s reset the frame properly.

Yes in my original post I said that broadcasting + tech advantages are likely to re-occur in the upcoming T20 WC. I stand by that.

No that does not mean I claimed Star Sports personally presses a button and hands India trophies on demand.

Those two things are being deliberately conflated by you to derail the discussion.
1) “So how did India win the last T20 WC when Star Sports wasn’t host broadcaster?”

This question already assumes a false premise:

That only the host broadcaster matters and that only one variable can create advantage.

Institutional influence ≠ single broadcaster ≠ every decision going India’s way.

India winning a tournament without Star Sports involved does not disprove institutional advantage any more than Australia winning abroad disproves home advantage.

Cricket outcomes are multi-factor:
Conditions
Scheduling
Travel
Rest days
Venue familiarity
Crowd pressure
Commercial leverage
Governance power
Broadcasting is one layer, not the whole cake.

You’re arguing as if I said:

“Without Star Sports, India cannot win”
I never said that. You invented that position.

2) “How many decisions did India benefit from? Name exact wickets.”

This is another classic derail tactic.
DRS and broadcast influence are not about counting wickets like a scorecard.
They’re about:

Marginal calls
Framing of replays
Which angles are shown first
How quickly evidence is provided
What gets normalised as ‘inconclusive’
Many calls never become “decisions

India benefited from” because:

Teams don’t review due to lack of convincing visuals
Soft signals remain because evidence is deemed insufficient
Momentum shifts quietly
You’re demanding courtroom-level proof for something that operates through systemic bias and probability, not written confessions.

That’s like asking:

“Which exact referee decision proves home advantage exists?”
It’s a dishonest standard.

3) Hawk-Eye explanation (via Grok) and what you’re missing

What you posted about Hawk-Eye is technically correct and contextually incomplete.

Yes:

Hawk-Eye is owned and operated by Sony
Cameras are dedicated
Operators are independent of broadcasters
Now here’s what you’re conveniently
ignoring:

a) Third umpires do not operate in a vacuum

They rely on:

What feeds are available immediately
What angles are prioritised
What is deemed “clear and conclusive”

Hawk-Eye does not decide:

Which replay the audience (and officials) see first

How long certain angles are held
Which moments are amplified or downplayed

b) Not all decisions are Hawk-Eye decisions
Snicko, UltraEdge, boundary calls, no-balls, front-foot checks, replays these all still involve broadcast feeds and sequencing.

Your Hawk-Eye paragraph addresses one slice of officiating and pretends it answers everything.

It doesn’t.

4) “Prove institutional influence with hard facts”
Here you go actual, documented facts, not vibes:

• ICC revenue dependence:

Over 70–80% of ICC revenue comes from India-linked media rights. This is publicly reported.

• Scheduling patterns:

India routinely receives:

Fewer cross-continent travel legs
Longer rest periods
Prime-time slots aligned with Indian audiences

• Governance reality:

BCCI officials (past and present) have held disproportionate influence in ICC committees. Jay Shah becoming ICC Chair wasn’t symbolic it formalised existing power.

• Historical admissions:

Chris Broad (former ICC referee) has stated India was treated differently in disciplinary matters, including over-rate penalties.

None of this requires Star Sports to rig a single replay.

That’s institutional influence.
5) Why your argument keeps slipping
You keep demanding I say one of two extremes:

“India cheats every match” or
“Cricket is perfectly neutral”
Reality sits in between and that’s what you’re uncomfortable engaging with.

I’m saying:

India is not unbeatable
India does not win only because of bias
But India operates in the most comfortable ecosystem international cricket has ever seen
That ecosystem subtly favours them more often than others.

That’s not conspiracy. That’s power dynamics.

6) Final point and this matters
If broadcasting, scheduling, and governance don’t matter:

Why does every board fight viciously for them? Why does ICC bend calendars around India? Why are “neutral broadcasters” demanded selectively? Why do broadcasters cost billions?

You can’t say:

“None of this matters”
while simultaneously watching cricket become financially dependent on one market.

That contradiction is the real issue not my post.

So no, I’m not “singing a different tune”.
I’m singing the same tune you’re trying very hard not to hear.

And no amount of cherry-picked Hawk-Eye manuals or invented absolutes will change that. Go and read my opening post no. 1 again and try to understand the issue :)

@Ryw Thats your post to which I was responding. Look at the bold sentences where you explicitly accuse of pretty much blatant misuse of tech to benefit India so much so that you are certain that it is bound to re-occur in the upcoming T20 WC.

But now in Post# 150 you seem to be singing a different tune? So how did India win the last T20 WC when Star sports wasn't even the host broadcaster ? Approximately How many decisions did India benefit from?

You keep saying that India keeps enjoying "institutional" influence. Prove it thru hard facts instead of sitting on the fence and being vague. Which matches/wkts decisions that resulted in India getting undue advantage according to you ?

But according to Grok this is how the Hawk-Eye system is used and the host broadcaster is not controlling those equipment:
  1. Hawk-Eye Innovations (owned by Sony) fully owns, installs, and operates the system.​
  2. A dedicated team of Hawk-Eye technicians and operators (not broadcaster staff or match officials) handles setup before a series or tournament.​
  3. Operators work from an on-site control van or room, monitoring feeds, ensuring tracking locks onto the ball, and generating replays when the third umpire requests them for DRS.​
  4. Cameras are fixed and dedicated solely to Hawk-Eye—they are not the same as broadcast cameras controlled by the host broadcaster (e.g., Star Sports, Sky Sports).
 
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