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India cricket - Mismanaged, Poor or Both?

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I have always been proud of how much Indian cricket has moved leaps and bounds. Gone are the days when:

India had to field likes of Manjerakar,,Aashish Kapoor in prestigious 96 semifinal. An honour which has evaded likes of VVS.

India was forced to ask Dravid to keep when we didn't have keeper batsman of pedigree.

Our overseas prospects depended on fitness of Sam and we could kiss the tour goodbye if he got injured.

Today we have great buch of cricketers who are world class. The last ODI series against South Africa is great example of that. Our 13 member squad is already their still we beat South Africa(with all major players in eleven).

If India falters again who is to blame? We have almost same eleven which lost to Pakistan in last WT20.

Are youger crop so worthless that you have to go back to part ime commentators.

Whatever the result big guns should retire from T20. What's the use of talent pool if we don't have WC??
 
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It's neither, in my opinion. The problem might be with the expectations of fans.

On ability alone, India for me is the best team in the world in t20 cricket, just edging out England. However the difference between them and the rest isn't huge. On a good day both England and Australia are capable of beating them. If they underperform majorly, the likes of SA, Pak, SL and NZ can beat them. They're not so much better than the rest that you'd expect them to win even when they're underperforming ( aka Ricky Pontings Australian team).

The only big, potentially solvable problem I can think of is their underperformance in major events and knockout games. It's happened frequently enough in recent years to warrant an investigation.
 
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Didn't understand your post fully but India can indeed field 3 very competitive teams in T20s. Their bowling will be a bit weak, but the batsmen will make up for it.

However, when you play in WC, there is added preassure and you have to be at top of your game in every match, one off-day and you are gone.

I think Australia is the the no.1 team in handling preassure and be very good when it matters most.
 
Didn't understand your post fully but India can indeed field 3 very competitive teams in T20s. Their bowling will be a bit weak, but the batsmen will make up for it.

However, when you play in WC, there is added preassure and you have to be at top of your game in every match, one off-day and you are gone.

I think Australia is the the no.1 team in handling preassure and be very good when it matters most.

Almost all top cricket playing countries start making mistakes under pressure. Australia are such an exception to that. They almost always thrive under pressure.
 
Having depth is one thing but having quality is another.
India may have quality replacements for almost every batsman and equally good or bad bowler to replace the one in the main squad but they don't have players who can consistently win them matches against full strength and in form oppositions.
More so the bigger problem is that generation of Rohit, Kohli, Dhawan, Ashwin, Jadeja, Bhuvaneshwar has responded to big tournaments pressure very badly.
 
Western Australia C team without a few major players beat the Indian national side today.

Talent is an overused word. Yes india has more decent number of players compared to the other teams due to a lot of well documented factors but not necessarily more talented.
 
Western Australia C team without a few major players beat the Indian national side today.

Talent is an overused word. Yes india has more decent number of players compared to the other teams due to a lot of well documented factors but not necessarily more talented.

Stop under-estimating the side. This is the team they field mostly during bilateral T20. Besides India was in experimental mode like sending lot of lower order batting up the order. This tells you nothing.
 
You guys fail understand how T20 works. T20 is not the measure of your "talent". Sure they picked trundlers for fast bowling conditions. But the real problem is India has far too many one dimensional players. So they make some compromise. If a better side wins so be it. No issues. I am more worried about test side
 
Lol, overreaction after a practice match? India has recent series wins against full-strength SA, Aus and ENG in T20s. India was on experiment mode in a practice match today and failed. No need to read too much. India will do well in WT20 despite the absence of Bumrah and Jadeja.
 
wow, they just need to find team balance, and missing main 2 bowlers doesnt help....
 
Lol, overreaction after a practice match? India has recent series wins against full-strength SA, Aus and ENG in T20s. India was on experiment mode in a practice match today and failed. No need to read too much. India will do well in WT20 despite the absence of Bumrah and Jadeja.

India has the best win percentage in Australia 7 out of 11. I absolutely don't rate Jadeja in T20. But in Australian conditions his batting is 15X better than Axar. He butchered Hazlewood in 19th over last time scoring like 20 runs in one over.
 
India's fielding is as terrible as Pakistan's fielding. Infact BD and SL are slightly better than these 2o.
 
Axar Patel scored 2 off 7 and Harshal patel scored 2 off 10. Though it's just a practice game but never thought they both are worst than no.11
 
Batting is good. Hopefully they wont experiment with playing Axar Patel at 7. The guy is not good enough.

Bowling is a big concern. I would say we have a better white ball attack outside the squad.

The likes of BK Patel Ashwin Axar should be nowhere near the team. Kuldeep Yadav, Kuldeep Sen, Bishnoi, Umran, Mohsin are likely to perform better.

But we have a senseless selection committee.
 
India has the best win percentage in Australia 7 out of 11. I absolutely don't rate Jadeja in T20. But in Australian conditions his batting is 15X better than Axar. He butchered Hazlewood in 19th over last time scoring like 20 runs in one over.

Jadeja at no.7 is v good. He can bowl 2-3 overs and is a good enough batter.
 
Batting is good. Hopefully they wont experiment with playing Axar Patel at 7. The guy is not good enough.

Bowling is a big concern. I would say we have a better white ball attack outside the squad.

The likes of BK Patel Ashwin Axar should be nowhere near the team. Kuldeep Yadav, Kuldeep Sen, Bishnoi, Umran, Mohsin are likely to perform better.

But we have a senseless selection committee.

It is almost like they are carrying second XI as main attack without Bumrah. Also in T20 you have to carry bowlers that are suitable for the conditions. Guys like Harshal are suitable for surfaces that grip.
 
I have no expectations for this T20 WC because I know India are gonna lose badly especially with this pathetic trundler attack.
Some lobby has been working behind the selection of harshal Patel, chahal etc. Lol I can't stop laughing when he said that his slower ball is faster than his quicker ones! ***** 🤣🤣
 
It is almost like they are carrying second XI as main attack without Bumrah. Also in T20 you have to carry bowlers that are suitable for the conditions. Guys like Harshal are suitable for surfaces that grip.

Harshal Patel is a journeyman cricketer and not international class.

His performances in the last 3 IPLs have been good because 3 or 4 stadiums hosted the matches and the pitches became slow after the 1st half of the tournament and he did well.

Seems our selectors cannot identify even this factor.
 
Indian team under Rohit Sharma's leadership or anyone else doesn't have the same fear factor as under Virat Kohli's leadership.
 
We have become minnows over the past year - the loss to Pakistan in a World Cup after 3 decades, unable to defend 300+ targets in tests in South Africa back to back, clinching defeat from the jaws of victory in the final England test to draw the series, losing to Pakistan and Lanka in the Asia Cup, etc. etc.
 
I think India went through its golden age in the 2000s/2010s (you never know you're in a golden age when you're in one it's done retrospectively) when after the exit of a potential ATG you had 2 others knocking on the doors, so to speak.

I don't think India is bad (90s level) but it's just in a normal "post golden age" phase where it's all bout reconstruction, the kind people were expecting after the retirement of the Fab 4 in the 2010s but was filled with Kohli/Sharma... but these two are on the wrong side of the 30s so the question is who could replace them or be a near equivalent at least.
 
India is a good T20 side when they play the same side 5 games in a row. When they face different teams in the same tournament they come apart.
 
India is a good T20 side when they play the same side 5 games in a row. When they face different teams in the same tournament they come apart.

I would say the bulk of the team chokes in Big tournaments, crunch matches. Billaterals are a different story.
 
They are unbeatable at home so very likely to win the ODI world cup next year unless Pakistan finds some form
 
I would say the bulk of the team chokes in Big tournaments, crunch matches. Billaterals are a different story.

In bilaterals you can stack your side with best match ups. In world events you need to have different match ups against different sides. So you need to have a very good all round squad. I don't think India has. Last 4 batsmen are absolute duds with bat. worth 5 to 10 runs. If you manage to take 5 wickets before 15th over. It is game over for India. That is easy to take 5 wickets in 15 overs.
 
In T20s, India are a highly overrated side.

But in Tests and ODIs, we are doing well. We drew test series in England and best Australia in Australia twice and won almost everything at home.

T20 requires quality bowlers( and we don't have that in pace and spin both departments) and big power hitters who are capable of changing the complexion of the game in 10-15 balls. We, on other hand, are generally known for producing technically correct batsman who are good in playing cover drives, cuts and pulls but may not be as good in hitting sixes and producing 20 runs over when required.

Kohli, Rohit, Rahul, S Iyer- they are all similar type of players. Pandya is again a power hitter but he can't hit sixes at will like David Miller or Tim David can do. Neither would DK who generally shuffles to off side and looks to hit towards fine leg but may not clear the boundaries in Australia.
 
Lol, overreaction after a practice match? India has recent series wins against full-strength SA, Aus and ENG in T20s. India was on experiment mode in a practice match today and failed. No need to read too much. India will do well in WT20 despite the absence of Bumrah and Jadeja.

Full strength Aus and Eng? Are you sure? :inti
 
In T20s, India are a highly overrated side.

But in Tests and ODIs, we are doing well. We drew test series in England and best Australia in Australia twice and won almost everything at home.

T20 requires quality bowlers( and we don't have that in pace and spin both departments) and big power hitters who are capable of changing the complexion of the game in 10-15 balls. We, on other hand, are generally known for producing technically correct batsman who are good in playing cover drives, cuts and pulls but may not be as good in hitting sixes and producing 20 runs over when required.

Kohli, Rohit, Rahul, S Iyer- they are all similar type of players. Pandya is again a power hitter but he can't hit sixes at will like David Miller or Tim David can do. Neither would DK who generally shuffles to off side and looks to hit towards fine leg but may not clear the boundaries in Australia.

Most fans have made peace with that. But India would rather love to lose with young players in the side. Not with the so called "experienced" players. This format is the most suitable for inexperienced playes. People don't know about you. Before they work on your weaknesses game over. Especially applicable for young bowlers. In the WT20 final against Srilanka the experienced pair choked us to death against Malinga's wide yorkers. I say experience is a curse sometimes in this format.
 
Most fans have made peace with that. But India would rather love to lose with young players in the side. Not with the so called "experienced" players. This format is the most suitable for inexperienced playes. People don't know about you. Before they work on your weaknesses game over. Especially applicable for young bowlers. In the WT20 final against Srilanka the experienced pair choked us to death against Malinga's wide yorkers. I say experience is a curse sometimes in this format.

That's true but then not all are brave to drop the experienced folks and even if some are, then they don't apply the same rule to themselves and become a baggage on their team.
 
The truth is the Indian team has massively over performed compared to the talent level they currently have.

Aside from Suryakumar Yadav, none of their players are very impressive. They win meaningless bilateral series but no one fears them in tournaments in anymore.
 
The truth is the Indian team has massively over performed compared to the talent level they currently have.

Aside from Suryakumar Yadav, none of their players are very impressive. They win meaningless bilateral series but no one fears them in tournaments in anymore.

I see that you are not exactly following other events. Gabba test is an example. India suddenly faced multiple injury issues. WIth nobody around India used 3 T20 players for the decider Test. Sundar (who had not played a first class game for 4 years), Thakur, Natrajan. Rest is history.
 
Didn't understand your post fully but India can indeed field 3 very competitive teams in T20s.

In today’s world where there is so much T20s, even England, Pakistan, Australia, can land 3 competitive T20 XIs.
 
In today’s world where there is so much T20s, even England, Pakistan, Australia, can land 3 competitive T20 XIs.

In T20 you need certain basic ingredients as per current Trends. You can field any number of sides you want. But if all the sides miss those ingredients they ain't winning a lot.

some of the basics these days.

1) Death over bowlers
2) Finisher
3) Power play opener
4) Quality leggie
 
The whole issue with India is that tehy are not giving ample opportunities to you g talent.Remember how long a rope Rohit whas given when he was called ***** Sharma What can't same be done for like s of Sanju Samson. Umran was left out after one bad game in Ireland.
The double standard are the problem.I am not saying changes should be made now but these guys should have been palying continuously since debacle of last WT20.
Imagine no big player has been left out from that team barring injuries.
 
The whole issue with India is that tehy are not giving ample opportunities to you g talent.Remember how long a rope Rohit whas given when he was called ***** Sharma What can't same be done for like s of Sanju Samson. Umran was left out after one bad game in Ireland.
The double standard are the problem.I am not saying changes should be made now but these guys should have been palying continuously since debacle of last WT20.
Imagine no big player has been left out from that team barring injuries.

India has a pool of batting resources like never before. So many wicket-keeping batsmen. So many openers. Even fast bowling is encouraging. Areas i see some lagging is

1) Off spin
2) Fast bowling all rounder ( this role is the hardest to find ). Guys like Shivam Dube,
Venkatesh Iyer are barely medium pacers.
 
There is a lot to diss about in Indian cricket but not after a loss in an inconsequential T20 warm up game.
 
One thing that Bumrahs injury has unveiled is the fact that their fast bowling reserves might not be as robust as once thought.

Bhuvi--has to be their ace right now. He's played 20 matches this year and boasts an Economy of 7.2.

Arshdeep-- Promising but inexperienced. Came he take the pressure of a WC ?Economy of 8.2. Should make the final 11

Pandya-- very up and down. Overall Economy this year has been 8.6 but it goes to 12 against Australia (6 matches).

Harshal-- poor run of form lately. Economy of 9.4 this year but 11.4 against Australia (3 matches)

Shami -- has only played 16 t20 international in his whole career. Economy of 9.4.

Siraj-- Has not developed the way one thought he would. Still very hit and miss . Has only played 2 matches this year.

So basically with Bumrah gone, they only really have one bowler Bhuvi, who can be relied on. Everyone else is hit and miss.
 
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India just don't like taking risks and that is what has cost them in the ICC events. They play 2-3 teams based on the opponents they play but when it comes to selection they stick to the safe bets. The batting if we look at it, except for SKY doesn't inspire any confidence:
Rohit - His form has been up & down. Few good innings but overall doesn't get past the power play in most games
KL Rahul - Has been in really poor form. Played some really slow innings except for one knock.
Virat Kohli - Has never been a hitter but has regained his form but cannot be relied to up the scoring rate.
DK - Does not get enough batting but can score quick in 1 or 2 overs he bats
Pandya - Good hitter but not very consistent, plays way higher in the batting order than he should
Axar - Isn't in the same league as Jadeja but can score some runs
Pant - Have mixed thoughts about his selection. Hasn't done anything of note in T20Is to warrant a spot.
Hooda - Not sure what to make of him. Started off pretty well but faded away in his last few games. He wasn't used well but don't expect much from him if picked.
SKY - Only batter in great form and can score quickly from any situation but is under pressure in a poor like up at most times.

So when you have the batting like above consistency can be hardly expected. Everything rests on SKY at number 4 as he is the only one in some sort of form and has the ability to go after the bowling from the go. I will be surprised with this team India will be able to win the tournament unless Rohit & Rahul rediscover their form, I think this will be another disappointment for the fans. The ODI team which played SA had better hitters than what was picked for T20 WC. Lets look at the players who have done well in 2022:

S Iyer - Average 40 SR 141
Samson - Average 44 SR 158

Both the above players have higher average and SR than R Pant (Average 26, SR 136) and KL Rahul whose SR this has been 129 during the same period. This is where India is losing out big time, it is not about having lots of talent, it is about choosing the right personal for a tournament. Virat's side did the same mistake and we are seeing the mistakes repeating with the current management as well. India might prove everyone wrong and might still make through but unlikely unless the top 3 pull their weight, SKY cannot do it all by himself. India will be playing against better all-round sides like England, Australia and New Zealand, so reliance on 2 or 3 players would bring them results similar to 2019 50 over WC.
 
One thing that Bumrahs injury has unveiled is the fact that their fast bowling reserves might not be as robust as once thought.

Bhuvi--has to be their ace right now. He's played 20 matches this year and boasts an Economy of 7.2.

Arshdeep-- Promising but inexperienced. Came he take the pressure of a WC ?Economy of 8.2. Should make the final 11

Pandya-- very up and down. Overall Economy this year has been 8.6 but it goes to 12 against Australia (6 matches).

Harshal-- poor run of form lately. Economy of 9.4 this year but 11.4 against Australia (3 matches)

Shami -- has only played 16 t20 international in his whole career. Economy of 9.4.

Siraj-- Has not developed the way one thought he would. Still very hit and miss . Has only played 2 matches this year.

So basically with Bumrah gone, they only really have one bowler Bhuvi, who can be relied on. Everyone else is hit and miss.

They are not necessarily the best choice for these conditions. I would have definitely backed Moshin Khan. He was very hard to score of. Shami is done even in other formats more or less. Bringing him to play T20 is tragedy where he was never good to begin with. only reason Siraj is okay is it is because we play at OZ. He is decent exponent of short ball. Harshal is another guy suitable for subcontinent slow low pitches. Guys like Kartik Tyagi should have had some exposure.
 
A cricketing system/board flush with cash, backed by a booming economy, no shortage of any natural resource in the country, political and civil stability, geopolitically accepted, a domestic consumer base of 1.4 billion plus millions of expats around the world, the richest league in cricket (IPL), in complete control of the ICC, the ACC, & the cricket rule book - I think indian cricket is just fine.
 
Post IPL, India's focus has been to produce a lot of skilled cricketers. And they did. They routinely change their make up and won test, ODI and T20 series against most countries. The only problem was ICC tournaments. They would struggle at the final hurdle or lose in the semis. However, the last T20 WC and this year's Asia cup put a dent into their aura. I agree with Naser Hussain and blame it on the attitude. Too defensive. If they express themselves, I see them reaching SF easily beating every team on the way. SF and final are anybody's game. Bumrah will be missed but he only played about 30 out of the 70 or 80 T20Is that India played in the last 3 to 4 years. They will find a way.
 
The most positive thing about Indian cricket is how it is completely divorced from the political and religious climate of present-day India. You would think that a country that has placed an embargo on Pakistani cricketers and that is ruled by the terrorist Hindutva wouldn't allow any Muslim players from donning the blue jersey.

Yet, we're seeing more Muslim players emerging and playing for the national team. That is something to be respected and admired about how the BCCI runs things. That and the fact that their players are taken care of.
 
The issue is in India players have become bigger than the game. If Joe Root or Steve Smith can be left out so can Rohit or Virat. But we are not blooding young talent timely give likes of Sanju Samson, Rahul Tripathi, Hooda, Shahrukh Khan, Venkatesh Iyer long run.
They fail in one or two matches and are discarded while likes of Rahul can go ages underperforming on back of a few very good innings and "PERCEIVED TALENT".
Ideal team for next WT20
Sanju
Venkatesh Iyer/Gill
SKY(Captain)
Rahul Tripathi
Hardik Pandya
Shahrukh Khan
Axar Patel
Bishnoi
Bumrah
Umran
Mohsin Khan /Kuldeep Sen
Try youth. We are not winning anyways.
 
The most positive thing about Indian cricket is how it is completely divorced from the political and religious climate of present-day India. You would think that a country that has placed an embargo on Pakistani cricketers and that is ruled by the terrorist Hindutva wouldn't allow any Muslim players from donning the blue jersey.

Yet, we're seeing more Muslim players emerging and playing for the national team. That is something to be respected and admired about how the BCCI runs things. That and the fact that their players are taken care of.
It is not Nazi Germany atleast for now . Everything is level of dog whistle.
 
It’s a problem of plenty

Let Me explain -

The current fast bowling selection india is having issues with illustrates the fact .
Fans agree that siraj , Shami , mohsin and umran with pandya make the best pace attack for india .

Selectors feel that ipl performers like bhuvi , Arshdeep and Harshal should be the correct combo .

This illustrates that the selection committee believes more in ipl or stats rather than impact players .

A dravid Keeping in World Cup was actually a very good decision utilizing the resources at disposal .
Now we have 5 good keeper batsmen ( pant , rahul , dk , Saha , bharat , sampson and kishan )

Kishan was persisted then suddenly he is out . Pant has not lit t20 on fire . Perhaps he is an impact player . But the selection merry go round these days means players are not looking at World Cup but rather series by series and ipl . Bcci has no shame in india loosing in elite tournaments . Hunger to win is not seen - each of the Indian players is at least 20-40 crore net worth . These superstars don’t have the same hunger as a young pak team shows . That’s the difference now .
 
The only way Indian team can move ahead is with a foreign team management. And we need a big name as the head coach.

Indian selection committee has been a joke in last 9 years. Led by absolute jokers.
 
Sourav Ganguly Roots For Sports As Part Of Children's Education

Former president of the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI), Sourav Ganguly, on Friday called for making sports an integral part of school education in the country as it can improve their life skills. In a video message before World Children's Day on November 20, Ganguly who is also also an ex-captain of the Indian cricket team, advocated the rights of education for every child.

"On behalf of children, I request that all children are provided opportunities to play and also to include sports as an integral part of their school education. Children's participation in sports can improve their learning and life skills,” Ganguly said in the message released by UNICEF on social media platforms.

UNICEF organises week-long programmes on young achievers starting on National Children's Day on November 14 and the events continue till November 20, World Children's Day. The UN body has dedicated the year 2022 to sports, particularly to children's achievement in sports.

"Every child should have the right to access quality education, irrespective of her gender, class, caste or religion. Do you know that investing in girls' education has the potential to transform communities, countries and the entire world?" Ganguly, the father of a college-going girl, said.

The former cricketer urged everybody to "come together to ensure that all children are in school and continue learning".

West Bengal UNICEF Mohammad Mohiuddin said that Ganguly's advocacy will make more people aware of children's causes and be motivated them to act for change.

Ganguly has also extended his support to children in a film called 'Heroes' on child players who made significant achievements in the sports arena with their outstanding feats.

The film depicts the lives of these children, the way they live, their challenges, concerns and achievements.

Messages of Sachin Tendulkar, UNICEF Regional Ambassador for South Asia, Priyanka Chopra, UNICEF Goodwill Ambassador, and Ayushman Khurana, UNICEF India Celebrity Advocate, also feature in the film.

NDTV
 
In terms of bench strength India is in safe place. under-19 world cup They reached finals last 3 editions. won twice. Lot of them are very skillful. It is not a matter of assembling. Team has to gel first. T20 is all about form, team composition. You don't have be extremely talented. You just have to be good enough for 3 or 4 overs.
 
Former India head coach Ravi Shastri has been very critical about the Rahul Dravid-led current India support staff taking a break from the ongoing New Zealand series. The NCA coaching staff of VVS Laxman, Hrishikesh Kanitkar and Sairaj Bahutule are filling in for Dravid, Vikram Rathour and Paras Mhambrey as the team's head coach, batting and bowling coach respectively. Dravid will return to his coaching duties when India leaves for Bangladesh for ODI and Test series, along with Rathour and Mhambrey starting December 4.

"I do not believe in breaks," Shastri said during a virtual press conference. "Because I want to understand my team, I want to understand my players and I want to be in control of that team. These breaks... why do you need that many breaks for, to be honest? You get your 2-3 months of the IPL, that's enough for you to rest as a coach. But other times, I think a coach should be hands-on, whoever he is."

Ravichandran Ashwin has now come to Dravid's defence, explaining why not only players like him, Rohit Sharma, Virat Kohli and KL Rahul but also the support staff needed a break after the T20 World Cup.

"I will explain why Laxman has gone there with a completely different team because even that could be interpreted differently. Rahul Dravid and his team put in extensive hard work ahead of the T20 World Cup, right from planning, since I saw this from close quarters, I'm saying this. They had specific in-depth plans for each venue and each opposition. So they would have been under not only mental but also physical burnout and everyone needed a break. As soon as the New Zealand series ends, we have the Bangladesh tour. That's why we have a different coaching staff led by Laxman for this tour," Ashwin said on his YouTube channel.

Hardik Pandya is currently leading the Indian T20I side. The first match in Wellington was abandoned without a ball being bowled due to heavy rain. The second match will be played in Mount Maunganui on Sunday.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...ng-from-new-zealand-tour-101668785206568.html
 
Some positive news for India ODI side

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After Riyan Parag's debut for India in the 3rd ODI against Sri Lanka, the Indian team now holds the record for most players used in ODIs, closely followed by West Indies.

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