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Maybe but dont expect Pakistan to strike back if its not Pakistan who is nuked.
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Maybe but dont expect Pakistan to strike back if its not Pakistan who is nuked.
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These are nothing but the claims, China still had to buy Russian engines to use it with JF-17 which Pakistan got. Evidence say one thing and claims other, i think now they finally developed their own engine for Jf-17. So they are still decades behind western nations.
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even that engine WS something is not being accepted by plaaf.So yes they are decades behind.
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T 50 is supposedly very very close to f 22.search you will get the.comparisions.esp as t 50 will have a special radar on its wings.
j20 though is way behind.so is the j 10 etc.
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well its because of business politics and nothing else ... do u really think russia would have allowed the Chinese to make everything in China for themselves while Russian companies can starve ? .... Whatever russia sold to China ... China just simply reversed it ... even illegally ... The Chinese F-7 that pakistan and Iran both fly is an illegal copy of Mig-21 .... China even went on selling these illegal copies stealing business from Russia .... So Russia dint give Chinese the access to many of its exclusive tech e.g. Mig-31 BM ... not to mention that Chinese themselves were not into indigenous R & D much before mid 1990s ... J-10 is an offshoot of US-Israeli Project called lavi , Jf-17 is driven from a rejected Mikyon design ....
I fear that Same thing will happen to Iran oneday ... whatever Iran purchases ... it reverses it .... Russia gave us Phase array radar ... we made Najam Phase array radar ... Chinese gave us C-series cruise missiles .. we launched local productions of Cruise missiles even selling them to aligned states .... Russia gave us Passive Kolchuga radar and now we r producing same Passive Censor ..... Oneday We will be denied access too lol
Yeah turbo fan designing is not an easy task .... China struggled with it ... India's Kaveri dint work , Iran is still working on it .... thats not the case with turbojets however .... Iran has the capacity to make Simple J-85 Turbojets ... Tell me if u wanna see pics .... Iranian Saeghe and Azarakhsh Prototypes are already flying with Locally produced turbojets ... However It cant be used on an Design like Shafagh .
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If you read propely it also said pak has better technology then iran in home made missiles.
PAKISTAN LONGEST RANG MISSILE IS 7,000 WHICH IRAN WILL NEEVR MAKE FOR ANOTHER 2-3 YEARS. FORGET IRAN INDIA HAS DEVELOPED 5,000 MISSILE 2 YEARS LATER WITH 5,000 RANGE IT SHOWS YOU HOW MUCH PAKISTAN ARE AHEAD OF INDIA, IRAN IN TECHNOLOGY.
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Pakistan hasnt tested any 7000 km missile, and probably never will even if they have in near future.
Taimur (above 7,000 km range)
pakistans longest missile Intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_missiles_of_Pakistan
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Any news source of Pakistan testing this missile? Because i cant find it in wiki.
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This you tube style caps trolling wont work here ....
I simply asked u the technical proof or evidence behind ur claim that Pakistani missiles r better than Iran .... You shud have thought before claiming this crap .... I am still waiting for ur answer ... which means technical answer not the caps lock stuff ....
And please cut this crap of 700000 km imaginary missile . You are insulting Pakistan and you dont even know that ... First u claimed that Pakistan buys missiles from US ( humiliating pakistani NESCOM engineers & thier efforts ) and now this ...
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Actually there is nothing to read about, Pak never testes anything close to 7000km missile.
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Pakistan doesnt have a 7000 KM missile that is operational they havent even tested one YET, just because they may have plans for one doesnt mean they have it...
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Not sure if they have tested or not but they have the taimur which is supposedly has a 7000km range. Source http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_missiles_of_Pakistan#section_1
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PAK-FA will be a great 5th generation bird but I highly doubt it would be anywhere close to the F22...........
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Thats like India saying we have an indegenous aircraft carrier already even though it is only being built in Cochin Shipyard now... If the 7000 K missile had been tested successful then you have it...
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Do be honest I don't care much for weapons of any kind . All they do is create fear and unnessecary rivalry . If I had it my way no country would have missiles or nukes .
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I am not against deterrence as it is self defense...
me too ... life is too short to waste on fighting ...
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I dunno the technicial know how of the J-10's but in all honesty do you believe a Chinese made product which probably costs less that half of Rafalles would be as good or if not better ? I mean how long have China been manufacturing fighter jets again ?
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Yeah but there will be a day when it goes too far that day we will lose it all .
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We cant help that, we are humans and it is in our genes to self destruct at some point...
military equipment or any kind of R & D cant be judged on basis of what kind of image u have in mind of the country of origin .... I am a professional researcher myself and I believe in quality of work irrespective of from where it is coming from or what kind of image i hold in my mind of that place ...
Ask any average tom dick or harry in west that India has ICBMs , China is flying stealth aircrafts and Iran is launching satellites into space .... would he believe that ? off-course not ... Because thats the common perception in minds of masses ... China the Communist , Iran the Extremist and India the 3rd world cant do anything ... they must be lying .... lol .... end of discussion ...
Chinese military development in last 15 years has gone to another level ... They r still behind US but they will catch up in next 10-15 years maximum ... Their Navy is expanding , they have got serious breakthroughs in Missile tech .... their everything is improving with time ... This is not a military forum otherwise we could have discussed in details ....
As for the price tags ... Western and esp EU military stuff has traditionally been expensive be it Jaguar , EF2000 or Mirages , Leclerc , Chieftain , Challenger etc ...
I must mention that I still havent opined on What i think of J10 in comparison to Rafael or Ef2000 or F-18E/F or Even JAS Gripen .... results of wars and conflicts r not decided by these toys ... Historically proven ... Says a Military Geek !
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In Missile tech only China is close to the US, but navy especially aircraft carriers etc, fighter jets like F22 I believe US is ahead of rest of the world by 50 years....
OFF TOPIC since we are talking about everything now, what do you think of the Russian/ Indian 5th generation stealth jet T-50/ PAK FA ?
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Wth the discussion going off topic? missiles, fighter-jets , bombs !!!!
Agni V has only one purpose to maintain status-quo with China.
It is scary sometimes when non-residential Pakistanis and non-residential Indians talk about war toys, it seems they actually want something to happen between the countries.
Agni V has only one purpose to maintain status-quo with China.
It is scary sometimes when non-residential Pakistanis and non-residential Indians talk about war toys, it seems they actually want something to happen between the countries.
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The comparisions say they aremvery close.Pak.Fa will have d band radars.on its wings which will be able.to.detect the f 22 from a longer distance then the f22 radar can detect the Pak fa.where.as Pak.Fa will be much.more manueverable than f 22 there by able.to.escape the f 22.so though f 22 will ne more.stealthy all in all it will be close.also russia is talking about using plasma stealth on pak.fa
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F22 costs about $ 380 Mill I think per jet, while the T50/PAK FA will cost about $150 Mill, I highly doubt the Russians have what it takes to built something close to the F22 at less than half the price. Either way it will be a beast and I cant wait to see it inducted into the IAF, PAK FA is like the SUK MKI (for Indians only) and I believe IAF will be purchasing about 350 of these jets which will cost 50 Billion plus..........
Both of them are beautiful looking birds but the F22 looks Alien
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After Agni V test, director Tessy on to next challenge
HYDERABAD: Tessy Thomas, project director for Agni IV and a senior scientist behind the launch of Agni V, is already back at work preparing for the Multiple Independent Re-entry Vehicles ( MIRV) of Agni V that will make a second strike possible.
"We have certain technologies to work on," Tessy Thomas, top scientist at the Advanced Systems Laboratory (ASL) told the Times of India here on Saturday. R K Gupta was the project director for the Agni V just like Tessy was for Agni IV. Tessy also played a crucial role as project director (mission) for Agni V.
When Agni V was test fired on April 19 at the wheeler island, Odisha, excited scientists lifted the top brass on their shoulders to celebrate the big event though Tessy was left out. "Our joy was controllable. I may not have been lifted up but I was literally dancing on my feet," Tessy said.
She may not have got that special treatment for Agni V, but when Agni IV was test fired successfully last year Tessy got her due. "My husband (Saroj Kumar Patel) was around then, so even I got lifted in the celebrations that broke out," Tessy said.
For Agni V, Tessy had to look after the mission design, guidance, control, navigation and hardware. "It is a large mission, everyone had different responsibilities," Tessy said.
While missiles are what Tessy always has in mind, strange as it may sound, her parents had named her after Mother Teresa. Interestingly, Tessy hardly finds any difference in what Mother Teresa, whom she adores, did and her own work. "She did something for the society and my job also relates to doing something for the benefit of society," she said.
Tessy joined the Defence Institute of Advanced Technology (DIAT) of the Defence Research and Development Organisation ( DRDO) as a faculty member in guided missiles in 1987 with an ME degree in guided missiles. She became a part of the %inertial navigation group %as a scientist in 1988 in %Hyderabad.
The missile woman, who is now referred to as 'Agni putri', has been a part of every Agni programme from the time developmental flights were being carried out 25 years ago. She designed the guidance schemes for long range missile system meant for Agni missiles.
A lot of personal recognition has come Tessy Thomas' way but the missile woman prefers to describe herself as an ordinary citizen. "The country as a whole is excited about Agni V and as an Indian citizen, even I am happy," she said.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...on-to-next-challenge/articleshow/12817463.cms
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This Mallu lady has made the entire Mallu nation PROUD in and outstide of India.. Awesomeee!!!!!!!!!!!!
HYDERABAD: Tessy Thomas, project director for Agni IV and a senior scientist behind the launch of Agni V, is already back at work preparing for the Multiple Independent Re-entry Vehicles ( MIRV) of Agni V that will make a second strike possible.
"We have certain technologies to work on," Tessy Thomas, top scientist at the Advanced Systems Laboratory (ASL) told the Times of India here on Saturday. R K Gupta was the project director for the Agni V just like Tessy was for Agni IV. Tessy also played a crucial role as project director (mission) for Agni V.
When Agni V was test fired on April 19 at the wheeler island, Odisha, excited scientists lifted the top brass on their shoulders to celebrate the big event though Tessy was left out. "Our joy was controllable. I may not have been lifted up but I was literally dancing on my feet," Tessy said.
She may not have got that special treatment for Agni V, but when Agni IV was test fired successfully last year Tessy got her due. "My husband (Saroj Kumar Patel) was around then, so even I got lifted in the celebrations that broke out," Tessy said.
For Agni V, Tessy had to look after the mission design, guidance, control, navigation and hardware. "It is a large mission, everyone had different responsibilities," Tessy said.
While missiles are what Tessy always has in mind, strange as it may sound, her parents had named her after Mother Teresa. Interestingly, Tessy hardly finds any difference in what Mother Teresa, whom she adores, did and her own work. "She did something for the society and my job also relates to doing something for the benefit of society," she said.
Tessy joined the Defence Institute of Advanced Technology (DIAT) of the Defence Research and Development Organisation ( DRDO) as a faculty member in guided missiles in 1987 with an ME degree in guided missiles. She became a part of the %inertial navigation group %as a scientist in 1988 in %Hyderabad.
The missile woman, who is now referred to as 'Agni putri', has been a part of every Agni programme from the time developmental flights were being carried out 25 years ago. She designed the guidance schemes for long range missile system meant for Agni missiles.
A lot of personal recognition has come Tessy Thomas' way but the missile woman prefers to describe herself as an ordinary citizen. "The country as a whole is excited about Agni V and as an Indian citizen, even I am happy," she said.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...on-to-next-challenge/articleshow/12817463.cms
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This Mallu lady has made the entire Mallu nation PROUD in and outstide of India.. Awesomeee!!!!!!!!!!!!
Agni-V: China says India underplaying Agni, it can hit Europe
BEIJING: China's strategic experts and the official media are trying to provoke western countries saying the Agni-V missile has a longer range than India would admit, and it can hit cities in Europe.
In comments that are obviously authorized by the defence ministry, Chinese experts said the Indian missile actually has a range of 8,000 kilometers and not the shorter range of 5,000 kms, as claimed by India. There are signs China will try to pressure the US and Russia not to sell missile guidance systems to India.
"The missile brings the whole of Asia, 70 per cent of Europe and other regions under its strike range and puts India among a select band of countries in the world to possess the technology of intercontinental ballistic missiles," the official Xinhua news agency said in a dispatch published in dozens of Chinese newspapers. Another paper, the Global Times, even carried a map showing Moscow, Tehran and Jakarta among cities coming within the range of Indian missiles.
An expert at the PLA Academy of Military Sciences said the Agni-V actually has the potential to reach targets 8,000 kilometers away, according to the Communist Party-controlled Global Times. It quoted the researcher, Du Wenlong, saying the Indian government had deliberately downplayed the missile's capability in order to avoid causing concern to other countries.
"According to China's standard, an ICBM should have a range of at least 8,000 kilometers. The Agni-V's range could be further enhanced to become an ICBM," the paper quoted another expert, Zhang Zhaozhong, a professor with the People's Liberation Army National Defence University, as saying.
But some Chinese experts have raised questions about New Delhi's capability to actually use the missile.
"India does not posses high-precision guidance system. To make up for the shortfall, it has to buy it from US and from Russia. These counties may be reluctant to sell their most advanced technology," the official China Central Television quoted some experts as saying.
CCTV even questioned India's infrastructure capabilities. "The missile weighs 50 tonnes. It has no suitable loading vehicle to transport it. Due to India's poor infrastructure, the country's bridges and roads cannot bear the weight of the missile". "So far, it can only be launched from a fixed position. Even though it was successful, it will take a long time to build an operational missile force," it said.
In the Global Times interview, Zhang suggested the Agni-V would help India rise from a regional to a world power. China must work on developing defence systems against the threat of ballistic missile. "It is India's goal to possess an ICBM, as the country seeks to improve its status and become a major world player. Without it, India will remain a regional power," Zhang said.
By itself, the Agni-V will not take away China's superiority in this technology, Zhang said. "But for the sake of regional stability, China should continue to develop defence systems against ballistic missile threats," he said.
The Communist Party's main organ, the People's Daily, ran a commentary, "Risks behind India's military build-up" saying the Agni-V development shows Indian's intention to seek a regional balance of power.
"However, in the context of the eastward shift of global economic power and the changing Asian geopolitical pattern, India should cooperate with neighbouring countries and reduce its own persecution mania," it said.
China successfully conducted its first ground-based mid-course ballistic missile interception experiment in January 2010, becoming the second country in the world to conduct this kind of missile defence test, the local media pointed out.
These views, mostly fuelled by experts connected to China's ministry of defence, were different in tone and content from comments made by the foreign affairs ministry on Thursday. The foreign affairs ministry said China was for "cooperative partnership" with India as it was not a rival.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ni-it-can-hit-Europe/articleshow/12752380.cms
BEIJING: China's strategic experts and the official media are trying to provoke western countries saying the Agni-V missile has a longer range than India would admit, and it can hit cities in Europe.
In comments that are obviously authorized by the defence ministry, Chinese experts said the Indian missile actually has a range of 8,000 kilometers and not the shorter range of 5,000 kms, as claimed by India. There are signs China will try to pressure the US and Russia not to sell missile guidance systems to India.
"The missile brings the whole of Asia, 70 per cent of Europe and other regions under its strike range and puts India among a select band of countries in the world to possess the technology of intercontinental ballistic missiles," the official Xinhua news agency said in a dispatch published in dozens of Chinese newspapers. Another paper, the Global Times, even carried a map showing Moscow, Tehran and Jakarta among cities coming within the range of Indian missiles.
An expert at the PLA Academy of Military Sciences said the Agni-V actually has the potential to reach targets 8,000 kilometers away, according to the Communist Party-controlled Global Times. It quoted the researcher, Du Wenlong, saying the Indian government had deliberately downplayed the missile's capability in order to avoid causing concern to other countries.
"According to China's standard, an ICBM should have a range of at least 8,000 kilometers. The Agni-V's range could be further enhanced to become an ICBM," the paper quoted another expert, Zhang Zhaozhong, a professor with the People's Liberation Army National Defence University, as saying.
But some Chinese experts have raised questions about New Delhi's capability to actually use the missile.
"India does not posses high-precision guidance system. To make up for the shortfall, it has to buy it from US and from Russia. These counties may be reluctant to sell their most advanced technology," the official China Central Television quoted some experts as saying.
CCTV even questioned India's infrastructure capabilities. "The missile weighs 50 tonnes. It has no suitable loading vehicle to transport it. Due to India's poor infrastructure, the country's bridges and roads cannot bear the weight of the missile". "So far, it can only be launched from a fixed position. Even though it was successful, it will take a long time to build an operational missile force," it said.
In the Global Times interview, Zhang suggested the Agni-V would help India rise from a regional to a world power. China must work on developing defence systems against the threat of ballistic missile. "It is India's goal to possess an ICBM, as the country seeks to improve its status and become a major world player. Without it, India will remain a regional power," Zhang said.
By itself, the Agni-V will not take away China's superiority in this technology, Zhang said. "But for the sake of regional stability, China should continue to develop defence systems against ballistic missile threats," he said.
The Communist Party's main organ, the People's Daily, ran a commentary, "Risks behind India's military build-up" saying the Agni-V development shows Indian's intention to seek a regional balance of power.
"However, in the context of the eastward shift of global economic power and the changing Asian geopolitical pattern, India should cooperate with neighbouring countries and reduce its own persecution mania," it said.
China successfully conducted its first ground-based mid-course ballistic missile interception experiment in January 2010, becoming the second country in the world to conduct this kind of missile defence test, the local media pointed out.
These views, mostly fuelled by experts connected to China's ministry of defence, were different in tone and content from comments made by the foreign affairs ministry on Thursday. The foreign affairs ministry said China was for "cooperative partnership" with India as it was not a rival.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ni-it-can-hit-Europe/articleshow/12752380.cms
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Sure this will work
China/US:
China: NO sell INDeeya missle cistom.
US: Back of Taiwan, Stop supporting Iran, Stop doing atrocities in Tibet, become a democracy then we will think about it.
China:: OOOOOOOOoooooo Nooo Nooo no Kompramise....
US to India: Just like we promised with the nuclear waiver before, The next batch of C-17s, missile defense shield, C130s are all ready for shipment as per your request....
China/RUssia:
China:: We Communeeste We communeeste No sell India..
Russia:: We dont give a damn we want Moooneyyy
China:: We buii all India buii and love you lonngg timme..
Russia:: Noo we dont wunt to sell you, you copy cats get stuffed....
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China once again being the rat that it is.
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CHina.With all its rhetoric.Well there is no doubt that Agni V can go well beyond 5000km.Because that range is with a 1.5 ton MIRV war head.All other missiles in India use a 500kg to 1 ton warhead at max.So with reduced warhead it can go further.
2.All references by DRDO regarding target was shown using Wheeler ISland as reference.Thats the Eastern tip of India.Take the missile to 2500-3000 km to western end.A lot more cities in the east come into the range.
3.All references of DRDO says,Agni V has a range of 5000+ KMS.No specific range,above 5000 can be anything.
Clever people.
2.All references by DRDO regarding target was shown using Wheeler ISland as reference.Thats the Eastern tip of India.Take the missile to 2500-3000 km to western end.A lot more cities in the east come into the range.
3.All references of DRDO says,Agni V has a range of 5000+ KMS.No specific range,above 5000 can be anything.
Clever people.
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Every one knows that India equals Hinduism and that Pakistan is mighty in every sense of the world but how come the arsenal is only for protection and preservation. Isn't its purpose more sinister. Please don't disappoint us with such soft statements.
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I agree the Chinese are improving at a rapid rate and they have the $$$ however I think it is going to take a lot more than 10-15 years for them to catch up with the US if at all in all defense sectors except missile tech, Missile tech wise I think they may be very close.... Regardless of whether their navy is for defending or dominating it doesnt take away the fact that US is still worlds apart from the chinese, its quite similar to an Indian saying if China attacks us we can inflict severe damage to them, sure but at end of the day India wont be around but China will survive...China has never operated an aircraft carrier before & it would take them years just to learn how to run it, taking off and landing an aircraft in the middle of the ocean with a ship moving up and down is no easy task..... One concerning thing from an Indian prespective is that; China has now given the full throttle for home grown products, sure you see India buying this and that but not much is known about what the Chinese are doing.....
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India equals Hinduism. Not just because secular India is a myth, but because India is the homeland and birth land for Hindus and Hinduism respectively.
A nation surrounded by Islam and Buddhism, it doesn’t come as a surprise why India wants to develop a weapon of peace protecting and preserving Hinduism. Remember, it was India who colluded with Israel and USA so to prevent Pakistan – The Islamic State - from acquiring the Bomb. India Failed.
Though must say, a woman at the forefront of AGNI V - a weapon of peace. No better irony. India is a peaceful nation with peaceful ambitions – cough cough.
A nation surrounded by Islam and Buddhism, it doesn’t come as a surprise why India wants to develop a weapon of peace protecting and preserving Hinduism. Remember, it was India who colluded with Israel and USA so to prevent Pakistan – The Islamic State - from acquiring the Bomb. India Failed.
Though must say, a woman at the forefront of AGNI V - a weapon of peace. No better irony. India is a peaceful nation with peaceful ambitions – cough cough.
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)... let me complete the rest so that Sir Zaid Hamid can get a glass of water.
the reason for the collusion being - wait for it.... from Pak and Afghanistan will rise an immortal Army that will conquer the world.
The voices in his head apparently told him so..
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Current Chinese military machine is strong enough to take on any country in the world including US and thats it ... China has a lot of projects going on which if come into mass production then they would be fine ... That is a very important thing because creating a prototype in a workshop or laboratory for media showdown is one thing but creating a whole Supply chain of the product , maintaining quality , leaving room for upgrades etc is alot more difficult ....
Regarding ur second point of inflicting max damage before going down ... let me give u an example ... consider that u r a very Strong grown man and ur enemy is not very strong but thuggish teen who carries knives and stuff ... and is very aggressive minded whose whole ideology revolves around causing pain to u .... offcourse u can finish him off because u r stronger but before going down he would give u fractures , ugly scars , that u would remember all ur life ... so the point is would u be willing to take this risk by taking him on ? this is the case with Iran and fifth fleet in Persian Gulf ... China is exponentially more stronger and can cause alot more damage in pacific and even beyond ....
Operating Aircraft carriers doesnt matter lol ... in real battles it doesnt matter whose vessel is bigger and whose aircrafts look cool on ground ... As i said before , fates of wars r decided by alot and even bigger factors then Q n Q of military equipment ... its just one factor , it matters off-course but alot of other things also do ...
2nd thing is what i mentioned in my Previous post ... We havnt seen competitive states going one on one in modern times so we dont know how would our warfare work against an enemy who can deliver a counter punch too ... what if an aircraft carrier or a Destroyer is sunk in the middle of an ocean ? what if the crazy expensive military aircraft countries buy would be destroyed on ground when hostile missiles hit the base ? .... so we r still quite unaware of what would happen when two capable guys would compete .... Thats why some analysts think that age of crazy @ss nazi style invasions is over ... countries know that there could be severe retaliation and thats why they fear attacking each-other , be it India , Pakistan , US , Iran , Israel , China or whoever ...
Regarding ur last point ... I guess , besides just buying foreign stuff ... India shud value its local projects too ... LCA , Dhruv , Naag , Astra , Arjun , Akash etc ... u never know abt future ...
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Umm isnt what I said practically the same thing ?
... Anyway the LCA have been a major failure I think Indians have officially given up trying to build an indegenous fighter jet engine and are now looking at outsourcing (buying engines) from another country. Missile Tech wise India is on the right track with AGni, Prithvi, Dhruv etc, Naval is getting there as a nuclear indegenous Sub is currently in the Indian ocean and the 40 000 TON aircraft carrier being built in cochin shipyard I have seen a photo of looks to be progressing well but fingers crossed on how good the final product would be.
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Its not that easy to sink a US Aircraft carrier its armed to the teeth with submarines,ships, F-16's etc all guarding it they even have missile shields on it.. Then again you do have a point; not one of these battles have ever occured so cant say how it would pan out in real life but in theory Americans are well set..
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'US appreciates India closing missile gap with China'
The lack of US condemnation of India's latest missile test demonstrates that the Washington appreciates India's need to meet the emerging strategic challenge posed by rising China.WASHINGTON: The lack of US condemnation of India's latest missile test demonstrates that the Washington appreciates India's need to meet the emerging strategic challenge posed by rising China, according to two US scholars.
It also shows "US is comfortable with Indian progress in the nuclear and missile fields", Lisa Curtis, senior research fellow for South Asia, and Baker Spring, research fellow in National Security Policy, at The Heritage Foundation, a conservative thinktank said in a commentary.
"India's successful test of the Agni-V, a nuclear-capable long-range missile, is a major step forward for New Delhi in attaining nuclear deterrence against regional rival China," they said calling it as "telling that no country has criticised India's missile test."
Curtis and Spring also noted that the US State Department simply called on all nuclear-capable states to exercise restraint and underlined India's solid record on non-proliferation and its cooperation with the international community on nuclear issues.
"This is a far cry from Washington's position on Indian ballistic missile development throughout the 1990s, when Washington pressured New Delhi to modify its nuclear and missile posture," they said suggesting "the new US stance also demonstrates a welcome evolution in US non-proliferation policy."
"The US change in position with regard to Indian missile capabilities demonstrates how far the US-India relationship has evolved over the last decade," Curtis and Spring said.
"Now the US views India as a strategic partner with growing economic and political clout that will contribute to promoting security and stability in Asia."
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ssile-gap-with-China/articleshow/12847586.cms
The lack of US condemnation of India's latest missile test demonstrates that the Washington appreciates India's need to meet the emerging strategic challenge posed by rising China.WASHINGTON: The lack of US condemnation of India's latest missile test demonstrates that the Washington appreciates India's need to meet the emerging strategic challenge posed by rising China, according to two US scholars.
It also shows "US is comfortable with Indian progress in the nuclear and missile fields", Lisa Curtis, senior research fellow for South Asia, and Baker Spring, research fellow in National Security Policy, at The Heritage Foundation, a conservative thinktank said in a commentary.
"India's successful test of the Agni-V, a nuclear-capable long-range missile, is a major step forward for New Delhi in attaining nuclear deterrence against regional rival China," they said calling it as "telling that no country has criticised India's missile test."
Curtis and Spring also noted that the US State Department simply called on all nuclear-capable states to exercise restraint and underlined India's solid record on non-proliferation and its cooperation with the international community on nuclear issues.
"This is a far cry from Washington's position on Indian ballistic missile development throughout the 1990s, when Washington pressured New Delhi to modify its nuclear and missile posture," they said suggesting "the new US stance also demonstrates a welcome evolution in US non-proliferation policy."
"The US change in position with regard to Indian missile capabilities demonstrates how far the US-India relationship has evolved over the last decade," Curtis and Spring said.
"Now the US views India as a strategic partner with growing economic and political clout that will contribute to promoting security and stability in Asia."
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ssile-gap-with-China/articleshow/12847586.cms
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India successfully testfires 2000-km range Agni-Prime missile
India successfully carried out the test-firing of a new missile of the Agni series known as Agni-Prime at 10.55 am today, off the coast of Odisha.
New Delhi: India, on Monday, successfully carried out the test-firing of a new missile of the Agni series known as Agni-Prime at 10.55 am, off the coast of Odisha. The new nuclear-capable missile is fully made up of composite material and it was a textbook launch, news agency ANI reported citing government sources.
"Various telemetry and radar stations positioned along the eastern coast tracked & monitored the missile. It has followed textbook trajectory, meeting all mission objectives with a high level of accuracy," DRDO officials said.
Agni Prime can hit targets up to a range of 2000 km: DRDO
According to officials, Agni-Prime is a new generation advanced variant of the Agni class of missiles. It is a canisterised missile with a range capability between 1000 and 2000 km. "Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) successfully flight tested a New Generation Nuclear-Capable Ballistic Missile Agni P from Dr APJ Abdul Kalam island off the coast of Odisha, Balasore at 1055 hrs on June 28, 2021," a PIB release said.
According to DRDO, the missile can hit targets up to a range of 2000 km and is very short and light in comparison with other missiles in this class. A lot of new technologies have been incorporated in the new missile, the officials said here. The missile could add teeth to India's arsenal and enhance its capability to target enemy establishments in a radius of 2000 km - which will bring most Pakistani establishments and several Chinese bases under its cover.
It may be noted that DRDO had successfully test-fired enhanced range versions of indigenously developed 122mm Caliber Rocket from a Multi-Barrel Rocket Launcher (MBRL) from the Integrated Test Range (ITR), Chandipur off the coast of Odisha.
https://www.timesnownews.com/india/article/india-successfully-testfires-2000-km-range-agni-prime-missile/776901
India successfully carried out the test-firing of a new missile of the Agni series known as Agni-Prime at 10.55 am today, off the coast of Odisha.
New Delhi: India, on Monday, successfully carried out the test-firing of a new missile of the Agni series known as Agni-Prime at 10.55 am, off the coast of Odisha. The new nuclear-capable missile is fully made up of composite material and it was a textbook launch, news agency ANI reported citing government sources.
"Various telemetry and radar stations positioned along the eastern coast tracked & monitored the missile. It has followed textbook trajectory, meeting all mission objectives with a high level of accuracy," DRDO officials said.
Agni Prime can hit targets up to a range of 2000 km: DRDO
According to officials, Agni-Prime is a new generation advanced variant of the Agni class of missiles. It is a canisterised missile with a range capability between 1000 and 2000 km. "Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) successfully flight tested a New Generation Nuclear-Capable Ballistic Missile Agni P from Dr APJ Abdul Kalam island off the coast of Odisha, Balasore at 1055 hrs on June 28, 2021," a PIB release said.
According to DRDO, the missile can hit targets up to a range of 2000 km and is very short and light in comparison with other missiles in this class. A lot of new technologies have been incorporated in the new missile, the officials said here. The missile could add teeth to India's arsenal and enhance its capability to target enemy establishments in a radius of 2000 km - which will bring most Pakistani establishments and several Chinese bases under its cover.
It may be noted that DRDO had successfully test-fired enhanced range versions of indigenously developed 122mm Caliber Rocket from a Multi-Barrel Rocket Launcher (MBRL) from the Integrated Test Range (ITR), Chandipur off the coast of Odisha.
https://www.timesnownews.com/india/article/india-successfully-testfires-2000-km-range-agni-prime-missile/776901
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<b>India successfully test-fires new generation Agni Prime missile.</b>
<I>Missile is smallest, lightest among entire Agni series of ballistic missiles.</I>
NEW DELHI: India successfully tested the new generation nuclear-capable Angi Prime ballistic missile from Dr APJ Abdul Kalam island off the coast of Odisha, according to an official statement Saturday by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO).
Various telemetry, radar, electro-optical stations and downrange ships positioned along the eastern coast tracked and monitored the Agni P missile’s trajectory and parameters, said DRDO, adding that the missile followed textbook trajectory, meeting all mission objectives with a high level of accuracy.
The Agni P is a two-stage canisterized solid-propellant ballistic missile with a dual redundant navigation and guidance system with a range capability between 1,000 to 2,000 kilometres (621 - 1,242 miles).
It is the smallest and lightest among the entire Agni series of ballistic missiles. It weighs 50% less than the Agni 3, the statement added.
The second test flight has proven the reliable performance of all the advanced technologies integrated into the system.
Defence Minister Rajnath Singh congratulated DRDO for the successful test flight and expressed happiness for the excellent performance of the system.
Secretary Department of Defence R&D (Research and Development) and Chairman of DRDO, G Satheesh Reddy, appreciated the efforts of the team to have completed the second development flight trial with additional features and congratulated members for the consecutive success within the same calendar year.
<b>India successfully test-fires new generation Agni Prime missile.</b>
<I>Missile is smallest, lightest among entire Agni series of ballistic missiles.</I>
NEW DELHI: India successfully tested the new generation nuclear-capable Angi Prime ballistic missile from Dr APJ Abdul Kalam island off the coast of Odisha, according to an official statement Saturday by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO).
Various telemetry, radar, electro-optical stations and downrange ships positioned along the eastern coast tracked and monitored the Agni P missile’s trajectory and parameters, said DRDO, adding that the missile followed textbook trajectory, meeting all mission objectives with a high level of accuracy.
The Agni P is a two-stage canisterized solid-propellant ballistic missile with a dual redundant navigation and guidance system with a range capability between 1,000 to 2,000 kilometres (621 - 1,242 miles).
It is the smallest and lightest among the entire Agni series of ballistic missiles. It weighs 50% less than the Agni 3, the statement added.
The second test flight has proven the reliable performance of all the advanced technologies integrated into the system.
Defence Minister Rajnath Singh congratulated DRDO for the successful test flight and expressed happiness for the excellent performance of the system.
Secretary Department of Defence R&D (Research and Development) and Chairman of DRDO, G Satheesh Reddy, appreciated the efforts of the team to have completed the second development flight trial with additional features and congratulated members for the consecutive success within the same calendar year.
India flight tests phase-II ballistic missile defence interceptor AD-1
In a significant move, India on Wednesday successfully conducted the maiden flight-test of phase-II ballistic missile defence interceptor AD-1 missile off Odisha coast.
The Defence Ministry said the flight-test was carried out with participation of all ballistic missile defence (BMD) weapon system elements located at different geographical locations.
"Defence Research & Development Organisation conducted a successful maiden flight-test of Phase-II Ballistic Missile Defence (BMD) interceptor AD-1 missile with large kill altitude bracket from APJ Abdul Kalam Island off the coast of Odisha on November 2," the ministry said.
The ministry said AD-1 is a long-range interceptor missile designed for both "low exo-atmospheric" and "endo-atmospheric" interception of long-range ballistic missiles as well as aircraft.
It is propelled by a two-stage solid motor and equipped with indigenously-developed advanced control system, navigation and guidance algorithm to precisely guide the vehicle to the target, it said.
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In a significant move, India on Wednesday successfully conducted the maiden flight-test of phase-II ballistic missile defence interceptor AD-1 missile off Odisha coast.
The Defence Ministry said the flight-test was carried out with participation of all ballistic missile defence (BMD) weapon system elements located at different geographical locations.
"Defence Research & Development Organisation conducted a successful maiden flight-test of Phase-II Ballistic Missile Defence (BMD) interceptor AD-1 missile with large kill altitude bracket from APJ Abdul Kalam Island off the coast of Odisha on November 2," the ministry said.
The ministry said AD-1 is a long-range interceptor missile designed for both "low exo-atmospheric" and "endo-atmospheric" interception of long-range ballistic missiles as well as aircraft.
It is propelled by a two-stage solid motor and equipped with indigenously-developed advanced control system, navigation and guidance algorithm to precisely guide the vehicle to the target, it said.
Business Standard
5 Facts About India's Agni 5 Nuclear-Capable Missile, Test-Fired Today
India has successfully test-fired the nuclear-capable ballistic missile Agni 5. This was the ninth test-firing of the Agni 5, which was first tested in 2012. The missile has a range of about 5,000 km.
Here are 5 facts on India's Agni 5 missile:
1) India had weeks ago announced its intention to test a long-range missile, for which it issued a NOTAM, or notice to airmen, to warn about the planned test-firing.
2) The Agni 5 can reach most cities in mainland China, including Beijing.
3) With this successful test, the Agni 5 moves closer to being inducted in India's Strategic Force Command.
4) Though the Agni 5 test-firing test was prescheduled, it assumes significance amid the fresh tension along the Line of Actual Control (LAC) in Arunachal Pradesh, where Indian troops stopped Chinese forces from unilaterally changing the LAC.
5) With the Agni 5 having a range of 5,000 km, India doesn't urgently need an intercontinental ballistic missile, or ICBM, whose range starts from 6,000 km, as the Agni 5 can easily reach mainland China.
NDTV
India has successfully test-fired the nuclear-capable ballistic missile Agni 5. This was the ninth test-firing of the Agni 5, which was first tested in 2012. The missile has a range of about 5,000 km.
Here are 5 facts on India's Agni 5 missile:
1) India had weeks ago announced its intention to test a long-range missile, for which it issued a NOTAM, or notice to airmen, to warn about the planned test-firing.
2) The Agni 5 can reach most cities in mainland China, including Beijing.
3) With this successful test, the Agni 5 moves closer to being inducted in India's Strategic Force Command.
4) Though the Agni 5 test-firing test was prescheduled, it assumes significance amid the fresh tension along the Line of Actual Control (LAC) in Arunachal Pradesh, where Indian troops stopped Chinese forces from unilaterally changing the LAC.
5) With the Agni 5 having a range of 5,000 km, India doesn't urgently need an intercontinental ballistic missile, or ICBM, whose range starts from 6,000 km, as the Agni 5 can easily reach mainland China.
NDTV
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