India is unfit to host ICC/Cricket events and sanctions need to be placed

[Hawkeye]

In the civilized world, countries are not allowed to discriminate against other countries in sporting, cultural events.

Sports, in particular, always needs to be shielded from whatever bilateral political differences countries are going through, no matter what the situation, even be it full scale war between the two countries.

In 3rd world countries like India (and rest of the subcontinent), where there's a lot of bigotry and jingoism in general, politicians, public, and the governments do not realize this.

They bow in to pressure from the domestic audience demanding war, revenge, hate, etc.

If any country indulges in discrimination against another country in sporting events, it's banned and sanctioned by the sporting bodies.

The Olympics is one example where such rhetoric and behavior is not tolerated at all. It's about time the same needs to be done by the ICC.

It's very well known that BCCI under their government's supervision has tried its best to hurt Pakistan cricket under the pretext of whatever political narrative the government is following.

So far it has escaped sanctions, because it's been about "bilateral series".

The rhetoric is also starting to target ICC events, and this needs to be dealt with right away.

Strict action needs to be taken, that sets an example for other member countries in case of any conflict between the two countries.

India is now facing sanctions from the International Olympics Committee after they tried to block Pakistani athletes from taking part in a rifle competition.


ICC must follow the Olympics committees and if any political rhetoric is repeated during the ICC meetings, it should be banned from hosting ICC events.

Sports needs to be kept away from conflicts and political tensions.

 

[big_gamer007]

In a civilised world there would be no terrorism.. We would love with open borders and everyone would be happy.. But that's not the case is it?

 

[Hawkeye]

In a civilised world there would be no terrorism.. We would love with open borders and everyone would be happy.. But that's not the case is it?

Of course. But it's your naive and small world narrative that IND is the only victim. These kind of incidents have happened with much more frequency in the rest of the world, including the West and within PAK.

So, you don't need to lecture other countries on it - we're well aware it's a huge menace and needs to be countered.

Government don't act like a baby and throw out toys out of the pram. Start calling for discrimination of countries in non political matters.

You have your own narrative on this, and your establishment's that is fed down deep inside by your media, that's what you believe.

Even if you do believe it, sports and culture has nothing to do with it and ICC needs to grow a spine, follow the olympics/FIFA model.

 

[a_tahir]

In a civilised world there would be no terrorism.. We would love with open borders and everyone would be happy.. But that's not the case is it?

But even in this uncivilised world you can't discriminate other countries in sports.
India can boycott and give pakistan the points if they're so affected. But kicking pakistan out is just a whole new level of insecurity.

 

[the Great Khan]

In a civilised world there would be no terrorism.. We would love with open borders and everyone would be happy.. But that's not the case is it?

In a civilised world you accuse after you have proof. And you dont go around burning businesses and cars just because you "think" these "may" or "may" not be involved or related to the bomber etc.

In a civilised world you dont go around University campuses claiming you will turn the "terrirsts" against their handlers by paying them more money. In others words fighting terrorism with terrorism.

In a civilised world you dont go around spouting garbage without facts e.g. Pakistan supports terror in India and then when asked to present facts about Indian casualty figures related to Pakistan supported terror in the last ten years, run away to an indian forum where you can indulge your bigotry.

In a civilised world countries try to use sport to help solve their problems and lower temperatures not use them as a weapon to hurt a country that has already suffered enough.

 

[cricketjoshila]

In a civilised world US and its allies boycotted the Moscow Olympics and USSR and its allies boycotted the Lis Angeles Olympics.

If India isnt playing, who will pay the ICC bills? PCB?

 

[big_gamer007]

But even in this uncivilised world you can't discriminate other countries in sports.
India can boycott and give pakistan the points if they're so affected. But kicking pakistan out is just a whole new level of insecurity.

Of course. But it's your naive and small world narrative that IND is the only victim. These kind of incidents have happened with much more frequency in the rest of the world, including the West and within PAK.

So, you don't need to lecture other countries on it - we're well aware it's a huge menace and needs to be countered.

Government don't act like a baby and throw out toys out of the pram. Start calling for discrimination of countries in non political matters.

You have your own narrative on this, and your establishment's that is fed down deep inside by your media, that's what you believe.

Even if you do believe it, sports and culture has nothing to do with it and ICC needs to grow a spine, follow the olympics/FIFA model.

Tell me one post where I said India is the only victim if you can't show me a post you need to apologise to me for lying.

Coming back to the topic you said in a civilized world this and that should happen I showed you we don't live in civilized world. The public is stupid and politicians and army generals know how to take advantage. BCCI knows they can't throw Pakistan out of WC they aren't stupid their legal team is strong they know what is practical and what not.. However the masala news is needed to divert people's attention from the real issues and public can see some sort of planning going on.

No party is innocent here and this is downright dirty politics being played in a region where majority population is easily brainshwashed or just pure dumb.. Don't expect anything else other than what's going on will continue to happen atleast for next few decades.

 

[Slim]

Agree with the OP. India is unfit to lead cricket. Its a vile, petty nation and needs to be taught a lesson. Their small mindedness will never let cricket grow and they will always be a threat to world cricket.

 

[big_gamer007]

In a civilised world you accuse after you have proof. And you dont go around burning businesses and cars just because you "think" these "may" or "may" not be involved or related to the bomber etc.

In a civilised world you dont go around University campuses claiming you will turn the "terrirsts" against their handlers by paying them more money. In others words fighting terrorism with terrorism.

In a civilised world you dont go around spouting garbage without facts e.g. Pakistan supports terror in India and then when asked to present facts about Indian casualty figures related to Pakistan supported terror in the last ten years, run away to an indian forum where you can indulge your bigotry.

In a civilised world countries try to use sport to help solve their problems and lower temperatures not use them as a weapon to hurt a country that has already suffered enough.

Refer to post #8..

Difference between me and you is I accept our own governments shortcoming and agree we are not saints. However you and other Pakistanis rather than accepting Pakistani government/army role in harbouring terrorist goes into defence mode and start deflecting and blaming India for their shortcomings..

It's basically how politicians brainwash people if an incident happens BJP will say during Congress time also many incidents happened and Congress will blame BJP.. No one will accept responsibility and try to fix the real issues.

Same thing with you, as long as you don't accept your shortcomings and only blame the other side do t expect anything to change any time soon..

 

[cricketjoshila]

Agree with the OP. India is unfit to lead cricket. Its a vile, petty nation and needs to be taught a lesson. Their small mindedness will never let cricket grow and they will always be a threat to world cricket.

Then pay the bills at the ICC for a start.

 

[Hawkeye]

In a civilised world US and its allies boycotted the Moscow Olympics and USSR and its allies boycotted the Lis Angeles Olympics.

Lol, and that will not happen in the civilized world now. Why do you think US didn't boycott FIFA world cup in Russia?! Even if there was a call, nobody in the EU would have accepted it.

So, no, it doesn't work like that.

This one is a bilateral political issue between IND/Pak, where both sides have their claims and lives are being lost of both the sides, because how your government is treating the people in the valley.


That is separate.

It's not about politics, if IND bring its rhetoric at the ICC level, sanctions need to come in place immediately.

That's the only way to stop your government from giving in to domestic hatred.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I do not understand why educated folks in pakistan cannot understand this.
Osama laden was hiding inpak.
Hafiz saeed is also there.
Why are they hiding in pak and not any other nation. Simple pak provides them safety.

Its funny to see how pakistani fans ignore this little detail. Pakistan is not innocent.

BCCI must do the easier and legally tenable thing.

Ban anyone who is associated with PSL from the IPL.

Boycott ICC events where Pakistan is a participant.Let ICC find a way for this problem.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Lol, and that will not happen in the civilized world now. Why do you think US didn't boycott FIFA world cup in Russia?! Even if there was a call, nobody in the EU would have accepted it.

So, no, it doesn't work like that.

This one is a bilateral political issue between IND/Pak, where both sides have their claims and lives are being lost of both the sides, because how your government is treating the people in the valley.


That is separate.

It's not about politics, if IND bring its rhetoric at the ICC level, sanctions need to come in place immediately.

That's the only way to stop your government from giving in to domestic hatred.

ICC will sanction BCCI? Lolfer. More chances of sanctioning PCB.

BCCI has every right to not play the world cup if the govt instructs them not to play. ICC can keep playing the world cup with Pakistan.No issues.

 

[Varun]

Not that we're hosting anything in the foreseeable except the IPL anyway.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Not that we're hosting anything in the foreseeable except the IPL anyway.

2021 CT or whatever replaces it

2023 WC

 

[rhony]

Then pay the bills at the ICC for a start.

Pay how? Half the bilaterals will be cancelled if the "Cycle pure" guy stops sponsoring.

 

[Varun]

2021 CT or whatever replaces it

2023 WC

Years away.

 

[the Great Khan]

Refer to post #8..

Difference between me and you is I accept our own governments shortcoming and agree we are not saints. However you and other Pakistanis rather than accepting Pakistani government/army role in harbouring terrorist goes into defence mode and start deflecting and blaming India for their shortcomings..

Rubbish. your now going into racism mode where your superior and we are inferior. Nonsense. If you know anything about my posts you will know that I have acknowledged our country's shortcomings more than most. The issue is your country's consistent false narrative. to your country anybody who fights for a free Kashmir is a terrorist. In Pakistan they are seen as freedom fighters and that is where the definition of what terrorism is comes to the fore. But you cannot deny that in ten years India has suffered very little from terrorism when compared to Pakistan. We know India has been involved with terror in pakistan. Our army is no saint, but dont go around pretending your agencies are saints either.

It's basically how politicians brainwash people if an incident happens BJP will say during Congress time also many incidents happened and Congress will blame BJP.. No one will accept responsibility and try to fix the real issues.

Same thing with you, as long as you don't accept your shortcomings and only blame the other side do t expect anything to change any time soon..

You should take your own advice and tell your govt to do some navel gazing. This line wont work anymore. The world has moved on and forward. india is still stuck in 2003.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Pay how? Half the bilaterals will be cancelled if the "Cycle pure" guy stops sponsoring.

Get Pakistan to get more sponsorship money go ICC.Right now 70% of sponsorship comes from India.

Atleast CyclePure guy sponsors things in other countries. Far better than cool and cool.

 

[Rana]

In a civilised world US and its allies boycotted the Moscow Olympics and USSR and its allies boycotted the Lis Angeles Olympics.

If India isnt playing, who will pay the ICC bills? PCB?

Why don't we actually see what happens when India does not play and who has to pay the bills?

 

[big_gamer007]

I have seen how much civilized on can get by killing a innocent pak in indian prison 2 days ago.We are not like you guys

Exactly this attitude proves my point. Both side would rather just blame each other and pretend to be better than the other.. Thanks for proving my point. Your whole argument is same as majority of Indians or Pakistanis who believe the other side is worse than us so it gives us a free license.

Till the day people realise all crimes are heinous regardless of who commits it only then we can move towards peace . But it's few decades away.

 

[Titan24]

In a civilised world US and its allies boycotted the Moscow Olympics and USSR and its allies boycotted the Lis Angeles Olympics.

If India isnt playing, who will pay the ICC bills? PCB?

In the examples you gave, countries which had concerns boycotted the tournament rather then asking for the elimination of other team.

So BCCI is worried how ICC will pay the bills? Come on man its not BCCI’s headache, if they have issues they should by boycott just like the examples you have given.

 

[big_gamer007]

You should take your own advice and tell your govt to do some navel gazing. This line wont work anymore. The world has moved on and forward. india is still stuck in 2003.

How is it racism? You just use any term you want?
[MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION] [MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] Please ban me if my post was racist, if not please warn this user for accusing me of racism. This is a serious accusation this user has levied on me and needs to be dealt with as per forum rules.
[MENTION=253]the Great Khan[/MENTION] I don't know about your posts in past I just replied to your current post on this topic. If you read my post I clearly mentioned all sides are at blame, still you go on and say the same thing again that I am pretending tour agencies are Saint.. either you have comprehension issues or you did not read my post before replying.

End of the day for this whole mess everyone is responsible and the people of both sides are gullible who can be easily emotionally fooled. The society is far from being a civilized society yet.

In a civilized and ideal world both Indians and Pakistani forces should join hands and eradicate terrorism menace, then should have open borders and build towards growing as a region. However this will never happen in our lifetime

 

[Hitman]

Indian army's atrocities against civilians in Kashmir was bound to cause retaliation.

Newsflash: Kashmiris don't want to live under India.

Address this elephant in the room before you go around blaming Pakistan for everything.

India should be banned from hosting the 2023 world cup on moral grounds.

The real practical world doesn't run on emotions.

 

[Rahul1]

In the civilized world, countries are not allowed to discriminate against other countries in sporting, cultural events.

Sports, in particular, always needs to be shielded from whatever bilateral political differences countries are going through, no matter what the situation, even be it full scale war between the two countries.

In 3rd world countries like India (and rest of the subcontinent), where there's a lot of bigotry and jingoism in general, politicians, public, and the governments do not realize this.

They bow in to pressure from the domestic audience demanding war, revenge, hate, etc.

If any country indulges in discrimination against another country in sporting events, it's banned and sanctioned by the sporting bodies.

The Olympics is one example where such rhetoric and behavior is not tolerated at all. It's about time the same needs to be done by the ICC.

It's very well known that BCCI under their government's supervision has tried its best to hurt Pakistan cricket under the pretext of whatever political narrative the government is following.

So far it has escaped sanctions, because it's been about "bilateral series".

The rhetoric is also starting to target ICC events, and this needs to be dealt with right away.

Strict action needs to be taken, that sets an example for other member countries in case of any conflict between the two countries.

India is now facing sanctions from the International Olympics Committee after they tried to block Pakistani athletes from taking part in a rifle competition.


ICC must follow the Olympics committees and if any political rhetoric is repeated during the ICC meetings, it should be banned from hosting ICC events.

Sports needs to be kept away from conflicts and political tensions.

Keep hoping for miracles.

 

[Sachin136]

That is not up for you to decide.

Even leaving aside big tournaments, many teams apart from India still play there. Afghanistan, Ireland, England W, SA U19, etc are all playing in India at the moment.

 

[Perth93]

This melodrama over cricket WC is just BJP's political tactic, and not just for votes.

They are using it as a diversionary tactic, because the latest Cobrapost Karaoke sting operation has exposed how they're buying out celebrities to endorse Modi. The heat is on him, so they're trying to keep media busy with some non-issue.

 

[Zeeraq]

Stick to the topic - if anyone wants to discuss politics they are free to do so in other threads.

 

[Bilal7]

I agree. The next WT20 cannot be held on Indian soil. Move it to someplace where Pakistani lives are not under threat. I hope everyone understands that all it takes is one crazy nationalist with a gun or grenade and the whole region becomes a nuclear wasteland.

Moving ICC events out of India ensures the security of the whole Indian subcontinent.

 

[Hitman]

Moving ICC tournaments out of India ) )

It's the BCCI we are speaking of, not the PCB

 

[the Great Khan]

How is it racism? You just use any term you want?
[MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION] [MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] Please ban me if my post was racist, if not please warn this user for accusing me of racism. This is a serious accusation this user has levied on me and needs to be dealt with as per forum rules.
[MENTION=253]the Great Khan[/MENTION] I don't know about your posts in past I just replied to your current post on this topic. If you read my post I clearly mentioned all sides are at blame, still you go on and say the same thing again that I am pretending tour agencies are Saint.. either you have comprehension issues or you did not read my post before replying.

End of the day for this whole mess everyone is responsible and the people of both sides are gullible who can be easily emotionally fooled. The society is far from being a civilized society yet.

In a civilized and ideal world both Indians and Pakistani forces should join hands and eradicate terrorism menace, then should have open borders and build towards growing as a region. However this will never happen in our lifetime

complain all you want. You exposed your sense of superiority in that post. Your claim that pakistanis are beholden to our army and we blindly follow everyhthing they do and say is racist. Why? because your are implying we are brainwashed and stupid while your being an Indian are not. That my friend is racism at its finest. By emphasising how you are somehow intellectually superior just becasue you are indian shows a bias. Now you could be forgiven for an unconcious bias but either way your statement above is offensive and you should remove it and apologise.

 

[Major]

THe purpose of the world cup is to play all the elgible teams in a tournament.

If a country cant issue visas and has problems that it cant deal with it, then its not suitable for hosting. Simple as that.

On these basis the IOC may not give hosting rights of oylmpics or otehr games to India in near future if they cant fix their issues.
Similarly, ICC should adopt such a stance aswell. If BCCI cant host a tournament with all teams because of their govt, then they shouldnt even be getting hosting rights.

 

[barah_admi]

In a civilised world US and its allies boycotted the Moscow Olympics and USSR and its allies boycotted the Lis Angeles Olympics.

If India isnt playing, who will pay the ICC bills? PCB?

Ok, boycott the world cup then

 

[Hawkeye]

Moving ICC tournaments out of India ) )

It's the BCCI we are speaking of, not the PCB

This will happen if your sporting bodies continue to remain hostage to domestic bigotry, hatred and politics of the government.


About time ICC grows a SPINE and follows the Olympics committee, here it is:


IOC moves to isolate India after Pakistani athletes denied visas

The International Olympic Committee has suspended all Indian applications to host future events and urged international sports federations not to stage competitions in the country after two Pakistanis were denied visas to compete in Delhi.


https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/i...ni-athletes-denied-visas-20190222-p50znm.html

 

[Joseph Gomes]

India is increasingly becoming a xenophobic country fuelled by nationalism. They're clearly not fit to host any form of international tournaments right now.

 

[SportsWarrior]

In a civilised world US and its allies boycotted the Moscow Olympics and USSR and its allies boycotted the Lis Angeles Olympics.

If India isnt playing, who will pay the ICC bills? PCB?

And Pakistan did the same in early nintees, England still refuses to tour Zimbabwe, Muslim countries have boycotted Israel, etc etc. International sports is another tool of diplomacy. Live with it. If the situation is reversed PCB will do exactly the same or more

 

[Hitman]

This will happen if your sporting bodies continue to remain hostage to domestic bigotry, hatred and politics of the government.


About time ICC grows a SPINE and follows the Olympics committee, here it is:


IOC moves to isolate India after Pakistani athletes denied visas

The International Olympic Committee has suspended all Indian applications to host future events and urged international sports federations not to stage competitions in the country after two Pakistanis were denied visas to compete in Delhi.


https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/i...ni-athletes-denied-visas-20190222-p50znm.html

Yea, you better hope they do.

 

[cricket4all]

And Pakistan did the same in early nintees, England still refuses to tour Zimbabwe, Muslim countries have boycotted Israel, etc etc. International sports is another tool of diplomacy. Live with it. If the situation is reversed PCB will do exactly the same or more

Yeah they have, though am not sure if one country can or should tell others to boycott another due to there own problems and how they see things. Sport and politics shouldn't mix but sadly they have and do.

 

[Bilal7]

The ICC should listen to what the IOC is saying. Unless the Indian government can competently protect the Kashmiris (including the Kashmiri cricketers that are playing the IPL and other domestic competitions) and treat the visiting Pakistani players and officials like VVIPs during the next WT20, India should not be allowed to host the competition.

We all know how sensitive Pakistanis are about Babar Azam...

 

[Bilal7]

And Pakistan did the same in early nintees, England still refuses to tour Zimbabwe, Muslim countries have boycotted Israel, etc etc. International sports is another tool of diplomacy. Live with it. If the situation is reversed PCB will do exactly the same or more

No, no other country is dumb enough to try something like this over a bunch of allegations and not a shred of evidence. Forfeit the match if you have to, better yet, boycott the World Cup, but to involve other countries into your domestic issues, which are caused by the incompetence and bigotry of your own government is just silly.

 

[Anwar_194]

Agree with OP, India should be kicked out of ICC ASAP

 

[jadaja]

IOC banned SA for apartheid and Germany and other countries were banned for WWs.So ICC can use that precedent and put a clause banning countries sponsoring terrorists.

 

[Slim]

IOC banned SA for apartheid and Germany and other countries were banned for WWs.So ICC can use that precedent and put a clause banning countries sponsoring terrorists.

Buddy, right now IOC has choked you and shown you the mirror. Wake up.

 

[jadaja]

Buddy, right now IOC has choked you and shown you the mirror. Wake up.

IOC can do anything, I was citing instances where IOC banned countries. India can influence ICC far more than it can influence IOC

 

[canadianhero]

World T20 will be held in India with or without you and lets not forget World cup 2023 will be hosted only by India.

 

[light]

This will happen if your sporting bodies continue to remain hostage to domestic bigotry, hatred and politics of the government.


About time ICC grows a SPINE and follows the Olympics committee, here it is:


IOC moves to isolate India after Pakistani athletes denied visas

The International Olympic Committee has suspended all Indian applications to host future events and urged international sports federations not to stage competitions in the country after two Pakistanis were denied visas to compete in Delhi.


https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/i...ni-athletes-denied-visas-20190222-p50znm.html

You're comparing apple with oranges here. India has a huge authority over ICC, considering the amount of revenue our board generates for ICC. Not the other way around for OIC. This whole thing has become a house of cards type of situation: Power Struggle - PS great show, if you can get Spacey's personal life out of your head.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

IOC banned SA for apartheid and Germany and other countries were banned for WWs.So ICC can use that precedent and put a clause banning countries sponsoring terrorists.

Lol, you can't throw stupid accusations without proof sir. If you think Pakistan government is involved, please declare a war. Or you should stay quiet, because more suspensions are coming.

 

[Jingaaru]

Ya ICC must follow the footsteps of IOC by isolating BCCI and get bankrupt and make sure that a game called cricket dies forever, or PCB will emerge as the saviour by raising funds from ppers and hand it over to ICC to run cricketing and non- cricketing activities.. EMPTY VESSELS MAKE THE MOST NOISE.

 

[a_tahir]

Lol, you can't throw stupid accusations without proof sir. If you think Pakistan government is involved, please declare a war. Or you should stay quiet, because more suspensions are coming.

They didn't declare a war after the 2008 mumbai attacks which were "apparently" done by pakistan. What makes u think they'll declare a war now??

 

[MenInG]

Stay on cricket.

 

[UmarMalik]

What difference is there between Pakistan and India if we’re going to speak in a similar voice? Close the thread, you’re being as narrow minded as Indian media by running this thread. Just because 1000s of people are making bad remarks, doesnt mean entire India deserves punishment. Similarly, just because 1000 pakistanis are creating sickening incidents, doesnt mean entire Pakistan has to suffer. Remember, every tree has bad apples. Throw the bad apples out, dont cut the tree.

 

[Babbar]

The match will go on. India decision to play will be limited to bilaterally and may include some Asian tournaments esp the useless T20s.

Rest is all election-time rhetoric!