India should ban Pakistanis from all industries until relations improve: Gautam Gambhir

[Muddaser]

Which world?

Are you deluded?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Its not Pakistan belief, it is an internationally recognized political issue. United Nations and rest of the world alongwith Pakistan recognizes it as a disputed region. So does your own state by the way as IOK is not part of Indian federation.

Firstly its a religious issue and not a political one.

UN dropped kashmir from its list of disputes.

https://www.google.co.in/amp/www.th....N.-list-of-disputes/article15687886.ece/amp/

Those who support armed terrorism in India and support secessionism in India should not come here to earn money. What is wrong in that view by GG.

 

[Muddaser]

Firstly its a religious issue and not a political one.

UN dropped kashmir from its list of disputes.

https://www.google.co.in/amp/www.th....N.-list-of-disputes/article15687886.ece/amp/

Those who support armed terrorism in India and support secessionism in India should not come here to earn money. What is wrong in that view by GG.

Indians are more deluded than I expected.

Kashmir not considered a dispute by UN.

Ive heard it all.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Gambhir said what needs to be done to people like Afridi if they want to come to India.

You support secessionism in India, you are not allowed to come here and earn money.

Since when did one person's comments count collectively as the representation for the entire nation? Gambhir made no mention of Afridi, this is just you making some false equivalence to try to support your player for his anti-Pakistan views.

 

[www787]

Firstly its a religious issue and not a political one.

UN dropped kashmir from its list of disputes.

https://www.google.co.in/amp/www.th....N.-list-of-disputes/article15687886.ece/amp/

Those who support armed terrorism in India and support secessionism in India should not come here to earn money. What is wrong in that view by GG.

I agree, Pakistan and Pakistani should never stop support against oppression and occupation, killing of innocent and rape of child and female, and minority being degraded or told to go to Pakistan by extremists groups in India and particularly Indian occupied Kashmir. And, if this support prevent them to earn few $$ from India then be it.

 

[Slim]

Firstly its a religious issue and not a political one.

UN dropped kashmir from its list of disputes.

https://www.google.co.in/amp/www.th....N.-list-of-disputes/article15687886.ece/amp/

Those who support armed terrorism in India and support secessionism in India should not come here to earn money. What is wrong in that view by GG.

So, UK envoy to the UNSC fails to mention Kashmir and Indians start celebrating is as Kashmir getting dropped from list of disputes. India propaganda in full power. )

Jammu and Kashmir is the only state in India which enjoys special autonomy under Article 370 of the Constitution of India, according to which no law enacted by the Parliament of India, except for those in the field of defence, communication and foreign policy, will be extendable in Jammu and Kashmir unless it is ratified by the state legislature of Jammu and Kashmir. Subsequently, jurisdiction of the Supreme Court of India over Jammu and Kashmir has been extended.[110]

Jammu and Kashmir is the only Indian state to have its own official state flag along with national flag[111] and constitution. Indians from other states cannot purchase land or property in the state.[112] Designed by the then ruling National Conference, the flag of Jammu and Kashmir features a plough on a red background symbolising labour; it replaced the Maharaja's state flag. The three stripes represent the three distinct administrative divisions of the state, namely Jammu, Valley of Kashmir, and Ladakh.

The height of delusion from Indian posters.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Publicity stunt. Is he going to join politics? If yes he will get lots of votes using the most common word in India i.e Pakistan.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Since when did one person's comments count collectively as the representation for the entire nation? Gambhir made no mention of Afridi, this is just you making some false equivalence to try to support your player for his anti-Pakistan views.

So Pakistanis by and large do not support secession of Kashmir from India?

 

[cricketjoshila]

So, UK envoy to the UNSC fails to mention Kashmir and Indians start celebrating is as Kashmir getting dropped from list of disputes. India propaganda in full power. )

Jammu and Kashmir is the only state in India which enjoys special autonomy under Article 370 of the Constitution of India, according to which no law enacted by the Parliament of India, except for those in the field of defence, communication and foreign policy, will be extendable in Jammu and Kashmir unless it is ratified by the state legislature of Jammu and Kashmir. Subsequently, jurisdiction of the Supreme Court of India over Jammu and Kashmir has been extended.[110]

Jammu and Kashmir is the only Indian state to have its own official state flag along with national flag[111] and constitution. Indians from other states cannot purchase land or property in the state.[112] Designed by the then ruling National Conference, the flag of Jammu and Kashmir features a plough on a red background symbolising labour; it replaced the Maharaja's state flag. The three stripes represent the three distinct administrative divisions of the state, namely Jammu, Valley of Kashmir, and Ladakh.

The height of delusion from Indian posters.

The UNGA didnot mention Kashmir as a dispute. Poor you.

So Kashmir has special status in India. That doesnot mean its not part of India. What next Catalonia isnt part of Spain?

Pakistanis like you are delusional if you think J and K isnt part of India or that Pakistan has any chance taking Pakistan from India.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Pakistan has any chance taking Pakistan from India.

What?

 

[Muddaser]

The UNGA didnot mention Kashmir as a dispute. Poor you.

So Kashmir has special status in India. That doesnot mean its not part of India. What next Catalonia isnt part of Spain?

Pakistanis like you are delusional if you think J and K isnt part of India or that Pakistan has any chance taking Pakistan from India.

If anyone is delusional its you who still believes Kashmir is part of India considering 55% of Kashmir is under Pakistani(35%)and Chinese (20%) control.

 

[pakistan cricket fan]

What?

Eh paijaan tore yahe jaldi wich hai

 

[AssassinatedDevil]

What?

Pakistan taken over by India overnight. All Pakistanis should expect to get an Indian passport in the mail shortly

 

[pillionrider]

Posters who call him midget, loser and whatnot - whatever you say won't stop him from being highly respected in India for his fine knocks in two World Cup wins apart from the fact he has never been a hypocrite.

Come to think of it, that sounds so nice.

Two of our World Cup wins.

To be able to say that.

Feels so good

 

[cricketjoshila]

If anyone is delusional its you who still believes Kashmir is part of India considering 55% of Kashmir is under Pakistani(35%)and Chinese (20%) control.

India still controls Leh,Srinagar and Jammu. Just because Pakistan has illegally occupied territories doesnot mean its Pakistani territory.

India claims J and K on the basis of the Instrument of Accession signed by the sovereign King of Kashmir. On what basis did Pakistan invade a sovereign territory and captured its territory and are now squatting there.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

So Pakistanis by and large do not support secession of Kashmir from India?

Are you just arguing for the sake of it now? Gambhir made no mention of Afridi, you did. Now you are trying to justify your false equivalence by dragging Kashmir and Afridi into it on the basis most Pakistanis support the secession of Kashmir from India. Really desperate stuff.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Are you just arguing for the sake of it now? Gambhir made no mention of Afridi, you did. Now you are trying to justify your false equivalence by dragging Kashmir and Afridi into it on the basis most Pakistanis support the secession of Kashmir from India. Really desperate stuff.

So GG asked for Pakistanis to be banned from being employed in India for what reason?

Pakistanis by and large support a armed secessionist movement in India. Hence those people should not be allowed to make money in India. Thays what GG said.

Afridi is a example. He made close to $700k in India and supports armed secession in India.

 

[90MPH]

“Those people should not be allowed to make money in India”.

The paranoia and ultra nationalism never ceases to amaze. But that’s what happens in a country that has probably has the most garbage propaganda filled news media outlets in the world.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

So GG asked for Pakistanis to be banned from being employed in India for what reason?

Pakistanis by and large support a armed secessionist movement in India. Hence those people should not be allowed to make money in India. Thays what GG said.

Afridi is a example. He made close to $700k in India and supports armed secession in India.

Afridi isn't asking to be employed in India so now your argument makes even less sense.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Afridi isn't asking to be employed in India so now your argument makes even less sense.

He was employed in India at one point in time.

 

[cricketjoshila]

“Those people should not be allowed to make money in India”.

The paranoia and ultra nationalism never ceases to amaze. But that’s what happens in a country that has probably has the most garbage propaganda filled news media outlets in the world.

Whats the problem with nationalism?

If Pakistanis support the armed secessionist movement in India, why should they be allowed to make money in India? Thats what GG is saying.

 

[90MPH]

Whats the problem with nationalism?

If Pakistanis support the armed secessionist movement in India, why should they be allowed to make money in India? Thats what GG is saying.

Afridi doesn’t want young girls getting raped and then covered and defended by members of your disgraceful government.

It’s just 1 example - that came after his tweet. Many Kashmiris do not even get basic human rights, that’s what Afridi is saying.

But of course you want to divert about other nonsense, just like Mr divert expert Gambhir.

There are hardly any Pakistanis in india. The problems in Kashmir have been self inflicted by your own government/army policies, not because of the evil Pakistanis or whatever propaganda baloney you have been fed.

There is a reason why nearly every Kashmiri despises the Indian state.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

He was employed in India at one point in time.

So are you suggesting that Afridi should sit in a time machine so that he can go back 10 years and be banned from employment in India?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Afridi doesn’t want young girls getting raped and then covered and defended by members of your disgraceful government.

It’s just 1 example - that came after his tweet. Many Kashmiris do not even get basic human rights, that’s what Afridi is saying.

But of course you want to divert about other nonsense, just like Mr divert expert Gambhir.

There are hardly any Pakistanis in india. The problems in Kashmir have been self inflicted by your own government/army policies, not because of the evil Pakistanis or whatever propaganda baloney you have been fed.

There is a reason why nearly every Kashmiri despises the Indian state.

I can tell you that the 35% Hindus and 2-3% buddhists and Sikhs do not despise India.

Indiam govt is disgraceful, still its a problem if Pakistanis are not allowed to earn money here?

 

[cricketjoshila]

So are you suggesting that Afridi should sit in a time machine so that he can go back 10 years and be banned from employment in India?

No. GG is suggesting that mistakes like employing Afridi who will later spew vitriol on India be not repeated.

 

[RainMan_]

Why does Gambhir always look and sound so angry?

 

[Pakistanian]

Whats the problem with nationalism?

If Pakistanis support the armed secessionist movement in India, why should they be allowed to make money in India? Thats what GG is saying.

What's the big deal if they do? Pep Guardiola supports Catalan separatism even though he coached Barca for years and played for Spain, even Gerard Pique did the same. I remember Andy Murray voted for Scottish independence despite living in London yet you don't see the English goin after him.

 

[Muddaser]

India still controls Leh,Srinagar and Jammu. Just because Pakistan has illegally occupied territories doesnot mean its Pakistani territory.

India claims J and K on the basis of the Instrument of Accession signed by the sovereign King of Kashmir. On what basis did Pakistan invade a sovereign territory and captured its territory and are now squatting there.

Lol by that definition Junagadh and Deccan Hyderabad is Pakistani territory.

Try getting it back from us and China. The world doesnt revolve around India.

 

[English August]

So are you suggesting that Afridi should sit in a time machine so that he can go back 10 years and be banned from employment in India?

If Afridi truly cared for the Kashmiris, he can use the money he made from IPL1 to take care of the kids who are allegedly suffering at the hands of Indian security forces. Don't need time machine for this.

I doubt he'll do that. Because we all know that he doesn't care for Kashmir or the Kashmiris.

Pakistanis only like to pay lip service for Kashmir. When it comes to doing anything meaningful, they go missing. Even the Kashmiris know this.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

No. GG is suggesting that mistakes like employing Afridi who will later spew vitriol on India be not repeated.

So that means essentially India should never allow any Pakistani to set foot in India as they might go on to say negative stuff about the country at some point in the future. Rather extreme view in my opinion, but if your cricketers are declaring the same, it gives a good insight into the average Indian mindset.

 

[Runner Up]

If Afridi truly cared for the Kashmiris, he can use the money he made from IPL1 to take care of the kids who are allegedly suffering at the hands of Indian security forces. Don't need time machine for this.

I doubt he'll do that. Because we all know that he doesn't care for Kashmir or the Kashmiris.

Pakistanis only like to pay lip service for Kashmir. When it comes to doing anything meaningful, they go missing. Even the Kashmiris know this.

Then India should stop accusing Pakistan for sending terrorists to Kashmir as Pakistanis only play lips service.

 

[cricketjoshila]

What's the big deal if they do? Pep Guardiola supports Catalan separatism even though he coached Barca for years and played for Spain, even Gerard Pique did the same. I remember Andy Murray voted for Scottish independence despite living in London yet you don't see the English goin after him.

Andy Murray has british citizenship
Guardiola and Pique has spanish citizenship.

They cannot be denied employment in their own country.

Just like Hurriyat members support kashmiri separatism but hold Indian citizenship so they get the right to earn money in India.


Pakistanis are foreigners.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Lol by that definition Junagadh and Deccan Hyderabad is Pakistani territory.

Try getting it back from us and China. The world doesnt revolve around India.

Hyderabad signed accession to Pakistan? When? Please show me.

The world doesnt revolve round Pakistan though. Thats why despite the annual crying in UN for 50 plus year no one has bothered about Pakistans view point.

Pakistan has tried wars to get territory from India. Got Zilch in 65 and 99.

India is happy with status quo. We have the strategic areas and control the rivers which we are now damming.

So we are in no hurry.

 

[Pakistanian]

Andy Murray has british citizenship
Guardiola and Pique has spanish citizenship.

They cannot be denied employment in their own country.

Just like Hurriyat members support kashmiri separatism but hold Indian citizenship so they get the right to earn money in India.


Pakistanis are foreigners.

Kashmir is disputed land. Would you suggest England ban any Argentinian footballer for saying that Falklands belongs to Argentina? They would never do that.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Hyderabad signed accession to Pakistan? When? Please show me.

The world doesnt revolve round Pakistan though. Thats why despite the annual crying in UN for 50 plus year no one has bothered about Pakistans view point.

Pakistan has tried wars to get territory from India. Got Zilch in 65 and 99.

India is happy with status quo. We have the strategic areas and control the rivers which we are now damming.

So we are in no hurry.

According to you Kashmir belongs to India because of the signature of a ruling Hindu raja? Wasnt all of Kashmir part of his ink? If so why have India allowed Pakistan and China to take a major chunk?

 

[www787]

If Afridi truly cared for the Kashmiris, he can use the money he made from IPL1 to take care of the kids who are allegedly suffering at the hands of Indian security forces. Don't need time machine for this.

I doubt he'll do that. Because we all know that he doesn't care for Kashmir or the Kashmiris.

Pakistanis only like to pay lip service for Kashmir. When it comes to doing anything meaningful, they go missing. Even the Kashmiris know this.

One tweet had sent you, India and India media into frenzy as if he had send down 140 characters missiles on occupying forces in Kashmir.

Sometimes lip service is enough to rattle the whole nation and their occupying army, and to expose their atrocities against innocents.

 

[DRsohail]

What a sore loser this guy is.

 

[Bubby]

Yes, perhaps said countries should start being a bit more tolerant and not assault children, burn entire villages and commit ethnic cleansing.

Or are you suggesting that the problem here somehow lies with the poor victims?

or perhaps the peacefuls should learn to act like mature and let others Community live peacefully and not try to influence other community, as they say u reap what you sow.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Kashmir is disputed land. Would you suggest England ban any Argentinian footballer for saying that Falklands belongs to Argentina? They would never do that.

There are no terrorist groups in Falk Lands killing English.

 

[cricketjoshila]

According to you Kashmir belongs to India because of the signature of a ruling Hindu raja? Wasnt all of Kashmir part of his ink? If so why have India allowed Pakistan and China to take a major chunk?

The border in Kashmir is called Line of Control. Thats the ceasefire line where the fighting stopped in 1949. Its not a settled international border like rest of the indo pak border. PoK is claimed as Indian territory illegally occupied by Pakistan.

The border with China in Kashmir is called line of Actual Control. Again its not a international boundary. China claims it as per its historical maps. India claims it as part of the maps submitted by Kashmir ruler.

 

[cricketjoshila]

One tweet had sent you, India and India media into frenzy as if he had send down 140 characters missiles on occupying forces in Kashmir.

Sometimes lip service is enough to rattle the whole nation and their occupying army, and to expose their atrocities against innocents.

Seems no one except Pakistan believes that armed terrorists and their supporters are innocent.

 

[KingKhanWC]

The border in Kashmir is called Line of Control. Thats the ceasefire line where the fighting stopped in 1949. Its not a settled international border like rest of the indo pak border. PoK is claimed as Indian territory illegally occupied by Pakistan.

The border with China in Kashmir is called line of Actual Control. Again its not a international boundary. China claims it as per its historical maps. India claims it as part of the maps submitted by Kashmir ruler.

I asked a very specific question which you have ignored. I've read this many times from you.

If Pakistan has control of Indian territory illegally, why not take it back using military force? Your miliary is far larger?

 

[cricketjoshila]

I asked a very specific question which you have ignored. I've read this many times from you.

If Pakistan has control of Indian territory illegally, why not take it back using military force? Your miliary is far larger?

Because there are international agreements in place. Not to violate the LoC. Pakistan did in 1999. Entire world condemned it. Right now the status quo suits as as we have a strategic advantage.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Because there are international agreements in place. Not to violate the LoC. Pakistan did in 1999. Entire world condemned it. Right now the status quo suits as as we have a strategic advantage.

Aww nice of India to allow it's territory to be taken by Pakistan because it respects international agreements lol.

I suggest you and your boy Ghambir take back what you claim is yours against a much smaller nation instead of crying about Pakistani's shouldn't be allowed to work in India etc.

 

[waqar goraya]

Pakistan should not talk with these terrorists either who have been terrorizing a vast population since decades. Thousands have been martyred and injured in Indian occupied Kashmir while still a large number of people have suffered other human rights violations.

 

[Pakistanian]

What?

I think he implies that Kashmir is Pakistan

 

[pillionrider]

Pakistan should not talk with these terrorists either who have been terrorizing a vast population since decades.

The Pakistani Board should also show some self respect and not be desperate to earn money off these terrorist eyeballs

 

[cricketjoshila]

Aww nice of India to allow it's territory to be taken by Pakistan because it respects international agreements lol.

I suggest you and your boy Ghambir take back what you claim is yours against a much smaller nation instead of crying about Pakistani's shouldn't be allowed to work in India etc.

Has China gone to war with India since 1962 ceasefire even though it claims the entire state of Sikkim and Arunachal and more land in Leh? No one had even fired a bullet.

This is why China and India are among the fastest growing economies and among the top 5 biggest economies.

You do not go to war just like that. Espcially if you dont have anything to gain strategically.

Pakistan wants war? The daily crying on PP over Kashmir? Well come get some.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The Pakistani Board should also show some self respect and not be desperate to earn money off these terrorist eyeballs

All sports generate money and use it to promote the sport itself and reward the big stars. India is the only country I can think of who have unilaterally used that as a political weapon against another country.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Has China gone to war with India since 1962 ceasefire even though it claims the entire state of Sikkim and Arunachal and more land in Leh? No one had even fired a bullet.

This is why China and India are among the fastest growing economies and among the top 5 biggest economies.

You do not go to war just like that. Espcially if you dont have anything to gain strategically.

Pakistan wants war? The daily crying on PP over Kashmir? Well come get some.

This is a discussion board, seems a bit silly to be asking people to come and fight a war physically over comments which may have hurt you personally.

 

[Asim_khan]

Has China gone to war with India since 1962 ceasefire even though it claims the entire state of Sikkim and Arunachal and more land in Leh? No one had even fired a bullet.

This is why China and India are among the fastest growing economies and among the top 5 biggest economies.

You do not go to war just like that. Espcially if you dont have anything to gain strategically.

Pakistan wants war? The daily crying on PP over Kashmir? Well come get some.

You've been watching the John Cena story on the WWE network too haven't you? Pretty good wasn't it?

There's absolutely no reason for an Indian to hire a Pakistani, a country with over a billion people could surely muster up someone. Anyone. But if the Indian public prefers Wasim Akram to Gambhir, or Atif Aslam to Himesh Reshamiya, then that's where the insecurity starts, the powerlessness, the frustration which breeds the hate and manifests itself into the comments which Gambhir has made.

 

[pillionrider]

All sports generate money and use it to promote the sport itself and reward the big stars. India is the only country I can think of who have unilaterally used that as a political weapon against another country.

That still holds good in ICC organised tournaments. Bilateral series are fairly unique to cricket and India are exploiting the grey area in the rules.

Initially, I was ambivalent and unsure about my feelings on the Board's behaviour. But now I lean towards them based on the strutting and threats by the PCB. It's like they want to have the cake and eat it too.

When you need something that is of use to you, you need to learn to be a little humble about it, regardless of whether in your little world you believe it's your right.

It's a universal rule that straddles anything.

You can't have your ego as the most important thing in the world and yet also want people around you to be generous and friendly.

There's absolutely no reason for an Indian to hire a Pakistani, a country with over a billion people could surely muster up someone. Anyone. But if the Indian public prefers Wasim Akram to Gambhir, or Atif Aslam to Himesh Reshamiya, then that's where the insecurity starts, the powerlessness, the frustration which breeds the hate and manifests itself into the comments which Gambhir has made.

You're talking as if Atif Aslam is Nusrat or Abida Parveen and well ahead of Himesh

Their singing talents are comparable and Himesh at least writes the songs he sings and has been pretty good at what he does. Unlike Atif who got his big break using his former band Jal's music

As far as singers are concerned, we have quite a few who are far ahead of this Atif chap. He became popular as the poster boy of our version of Sufi rock by placing himself in the right place at the right time. That's all.

The Akram-Gambhir comparison is meaningless. Gambhir was a very good Indian cricketer and Wasim, a legend. We have plenty of legends and a lack in them, isn't why he gets a lot of work opportunities in India. We have always had a soft spot for Wasim as he captured our imagination with his bowling skills in the '90s when we had the likes of Ankola and similar hacks running in.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

That still holds good in ICC organised tournaments. Bilateral series are fairly unique to cricket and India are exploiting the grey area in the rules.

Initially, I was ambivalent and unsure about my feelings on the Board's behaviour. But now I lean towards them based on the strutting and threats by the PCB. It's like they want to have the cake and eat it too.

When you need something that is of use to you, you need to learn to be a little humble about it, regardless of whether in your little world you believe it's your right.

It's a universal rule that straddles anything.

You can't have your ego as the most important thing in the world and yet also want people around you to be generous and friendly.

I was trying to look at the situation from a third party point of view as that is the only way I think we can be objective. Obviously if the idea is to defend the flag at all costs then debate is useless, we will just go back and forth in a pointless exercise so I shall leave you to it. Do ponder on what I said if you are interested in a resolution, however if you think Indian financial power as a political tool is more important, then fair enough.