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India take No. 1 position in Test Rankings with a 3-0 defeat of New Zealand

It's hard to say! Our batting at the moment is seriously hard to dismiss, particularly in Asian conditions. We have guys that can get 100s from almost all positions. I don't think that Indian bowling attack could easily dismiss our batting. And if they got a pitch where they COULD dismiss us, can you really count out our bowling attack doing the same?

But why compare that #1 side. You again have another #1 side... if only a series would be allowed !!

You may be right in saying that there is no reason to compare but in Asian conditions you would have most certainly lost in a 3 match series coz sehwag would have demolished ur attack left right and centre. Forget about our other batters and then scoreboard pressure and our bowling would have done it for us.
 
Congrats Parosis.

Even if playing at home, A team still has to win the match.

In ongoing IND-NZ series, there had been moments when NZ could have capitalised (150/1) and India could have messed it (second test 2nd innings). This is not as if Wins were handed over in a plate.

Pakistan are a more all round team atm but we shouldn't devalue India's wins.
 
Congrats Parosis.

Even if playing at home, A team still has to win the match.

In ongoing IND-NZ series, there had been moments when NZ could have capitalised (150/1) and India could have messed it (second test 2nd innings). This is not as if Wins were handed over in a plate.

Pakistan are a more all round team atm but we shouldn't devalue India's wins.

This is a very level headed and good assessment, thank you. The biggest positive though for this side is that it's a young one and it will only improve.
 
Not that big of a deal, in my opinion. Maintaining this position is bigger task than reaching this position. Looking at the concatenation of home test matches, seem like we're going to be at top for quite some time. :sachin
 
Not that big of a deal, in my opinion. Maintaining this position is bigger task than reaching this position. Looking at the concatenation of home test matches, seem like we're going to be at top for quite some time. :sachin

India will maintain a big lead, thanks to the upcoming home series.
 
We can't depend on them all the time.Specially Jadeja can have a bad day anytime

We saw what happened vs Eng 2012.Always need a 5th bowler

That's what I agreed to. Need a 5th bowler against England.
 
If it wasn't for the last Test Match washout in WI, we may never have been # 1 ... hmmmm !!!!!
 
Looks like we won't be number 1 unless the next match is a draw or a win for us.
 
Looks like we won't be number 1 unless the next match is a draw or a win for us.

We will even if we lose. But Pak 3-0 win against WI would mean we will lose number 1.

Win or draw would make us number 1 till the next series at home.
 
We will even if we lose. But Pak 3-0 win against WI would mean we will lose number 1.

Win or draw would make us number 1 till the next series at home.

There was an article cb saying it wont reflect if we lose next one as pak would be ahead by decimals not sure if its correct.
 
You may be right in saying that there is no reason to compare but in Asian conditions you would have most certainly lost in a 3 match series coz sehwag would have demolished ur attack left right and centre. Forget about our other batters and then scoreboard pressure and our bowling would have done it for us.

In matches where Sehwag would demolish us (and I'm sure he would as he has many times before), I'm certain that THIS group of batsmen would also accumulate 500+ runs. And as long as there was a result-oriented pitch, Pakistan would have better chances than India, because our bowling attack is much better than it looks on paper. We rotate bowlers left, right & center, yet they have been coming up with consistent performances as a group.
 
What I mean is the rank 1 doesnt hold much importance unless the team has it for a prolonged period. Drawing series in England is a bigger point of celebration than rank 1.

I remember when india became no.1 every indian talked about it and went crazy over it.

Its funny how you say no.1 position doesnt hold much importance now because pakistan became no.1....

Poor attitude
 
I remember when india became no.1 every indian talked about it and went crazy over it.

Its funny how you say no.1 position doesnt hold much importance now because pakistan became no.1....

Poor attitude

Last time India became no.1 it was one of the first teams to displace Australia and held it for quite a long period. After that only SA have been able to hold onto it for that long.

Since then, England, Pakistan, Australia and now India have been time to time based on favourable results taking turns to be no.1. Hence it is pointless atm.

You'd see Indian fans as well not giving too much importance to this ranking until we beat England and then Australia at home and go on and do well away as well.
 
people have to understand that these rankings are hugely imperfect. until there is a test championship, or some sort of consistency in the test schedule for all teams, the numbers make no sense. consider that india is a phenomenal team at home, losing very few tests. now consider that they have no test series outside the subcontinent until 2018! also consider that a home win and an away win are given the same amount of points. so a team can play in favorable conditions for two years, and get just as many points as a team traveling abroad tour after tour and winning tough games in foreign conditions. how does that make any sense? the whole ranking system is just a sham, and this is the perfect time for a test championship. there are several countries that can rightly claim they are the best test team in the world. the ICC should seize the opportunity and design a championship that makes sense, and that would truly help determine who is the best test team around.
 
I remember when india became no.1 every indian talked about it and went crazy over it.

Its funny how you say no.1 position doesnt hold much importance now because pakistan became no.1....

Poor attitude

Well we are number 1 right now and I am saying it doesn't hold much relevance.
 
Lol please try to take off your green glasses for atleast one post you make.

India had a peak rating of around 125-130 when they became the no.1 team. They became the no.1 on the back of winning series' in England, New Zealand, Pakistan and West Indies and drawing in South Africa and Australia (on top of a strong home record). They lost that rank only when most of the team had retired or lost it due to ageing. I'm sure if Pakistan had achieved it, you would be hailing it as the best ever side, better than the great Aussies and the Windies sides of the past.:narine

The fact that they got thrashed 8-0 on their oversees tours to England and Australia, prove that they were paper champions.

England and South Africa were much better test teams. Of course, someone like you will probably try to prove otherwise.
 
Well we are number 1 right now and I am saying it doesn't hold much relevance.

That is because India don't deserve it. The ranking holds relevance when the table mirrors the actual quality of each team. It was relevant when South Africa were #1 and if Pakistan can do well in Australasia and get that #1 spot back, it'll be relevant once again.
 
The fact that they got thrashed 8-0 on their oversees tours to England and Australia, prove that they were paper champions.

England and South Africa were much better test teams. Of course, someone like you will probably try to prove otherwise.

Do you really have no idea about how sports works? After a certain age, players start declining.
 
Just like in 2011, they won't really deserve it. Pakistan is a superior team in every regard.

I hope New Zealand have the match of their life in the third test and manage to squeeze out a win.

That is because India don't deserve it. The ranking holds relevance when the table mirrors the actual quality of each team. It was relevant when South Africa were #1 and if Pakistan can do well in Australasia and get that #1 spot back, it'll be relevant once again.

So India didn't deserve it back then in 2011, with 130 plus points and wins in NZ, WI, Eng and draw in SA and doesn't deserve now, but Pakistan being rank 1 makes it relevant basis 1 series drawn in England. Wonderful logic. :))
 
So India didn't deserve it back then in 2011, with 130 plus points and wins in NZ, WI, Eng and draw in SA and doesn't deserve now, but Pakistan being rank 1 makes it relevant basis 1 series drawn in England. Wonderful logic. :))

Hey! Pakistan drew an AWAY series against Zimbabwe in 2013 too. It's almost as good as India's South Africa tour of 2010-11.
 
That is because India don't deserve it. The ranking holds relevance when the table mirrors the actual quality of each team. It was relevant when South Africa were #1 and if Pakistan can do well in Australasia and get that #1 spot back, it'll be relevant once again.

Basically your argument is that the #1 ranking only matters when you consider whichever team ranked #1 worthy of being ranked #1. And a side with a ratings of 120 points is not better than a side with a ratings of 112 points. As your ranking is superior to ICC's objective numbers' based ranking, you should start your own ranking.
 
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Do you really have no idea about how sports works? After a certain age, players start declining.

Exactly. So why would a team of has-beens deserve to be ranked #1 in the world?

So India didn't deserve it back then in 2011, with 130 plus points and wins in NZ, WI, Eng and draw in SA and doesn't deserve now, but Pakistan being rank 1 makes it relevant basis 1 series drawn in England. Wonderful logic. :))

Yes, defeating the West Indies is the pinnacle of sporting achievement. Bravo. Also, you do realize that India were destroyed by England in 2011, right? And that the series that they won in England was played back in 2011, right? Both, England and South Africa had superb teams by 2011 and they would show that in the next few years.

Pakistan deserves it right now because they are a better team than anyone else.
 
Basically your argument is that the #1 ranking only matters when you consider whichever team ranked #1 worthy of being ranked #1. And a side with a ratings of 120 points is not better than a side with a ratings of 112 points. As your ranking is superior to ICC's objective numbers' based ranking, you should start your own ranking.

The ICC rankings are flawed because Pakistan got the same amount of points for beating Australia at home, that they would have gotten for beating Australia away. Understand? Of course you don't, seeing that you can't even seem to understand that tests and ODIs are different formats and that just because a player is good jn one format, doesn't mean that he'll be good in the other.
 
What a performance by India. Wow. We r easily the best team in the world by some distance. We should drop Shami, Ash and kohli in the next match just to make the series a bit more interesting and to lessen the misery of the current kiwi team.
 
The ICC rankings are flawed because Pakistan got the same amount of points for beating Australia at home, that they would have gotten for beating Australia away. Understand? Of course you don't, seeing that you can't even seem to understand that tests and ODIs are different formats and that just because a player is good jn one format, doesn't mean that he'll be good in the other.

It's like complaining about a pitch. A pitch may be flawed, but it is equally flawed for both teams. The ICC ranking may be flawed, but it is equally flawed for all teams.

You want to have your cake and eat it to. You regard the rankings as great when your favored team is ranked #1, and as flawed when they are not.
 
Pakistan deserves it right now because they are a better team than anyone else.

No point in trying to convince us, write a letter to the ICC. Maybe the will change the way they rank countries.
 
No point in trying to convince us, write a letter to the ICC. Maybe the will change the way they rank countries.

Funny...the flawed ICC ratings never got a mention when Pakistan got to number 1..Lols
 
It's like complaining about a pitch. A pitch may be flawed, but it is equally flawed for both teams. The ICC ranking may be flawed, but it is equally flawed for all teams.

You want to have your cake and eat it to. You regard the rankings as great when your favored team is ranked #1, and as flawed when they are not.

of course we can complain. the system is totally bogus. india has no series outside the subcontinent until 2018! how is that fair? there needs to be some sort of standardization to have the rankings make sense. have a set timeframe and have everyone play everyone and then give the mace as a trophy at the end of the cycle like every other sport. right now, team 1 has x games at home, y away, team 2 has a totally different number, blah blah blah.
 
of course we can complain. the system is totally bogus. india has no series outside the subcontinent until 2018! how is that fair? there needs to be some sort of standardization to have the rankings make sense. have a set timeframe and have everyone play everyone and then give the mace as a trophy at the end of the cycle like every other sport. right now, team 1 has x games at home, y away, team 2 has a totally different number, blah blah blah.

We were on the road right from end 2013 till end 2015 playing test matches all around the world - and no Indian fan or player complained - if that was fair then our home stretch is fair as well. Sorry...your post is just sour grapes.
 
The ICC rankings are flawed because Pakistan got the same amount of points for beating Australia at home, that they would have gotten for beating Australia away. Understand? Of course you don't, seeing that you can't even seem to understand that tests and ODIs are different formats and that just because a player is good jn one format, doesn't mean that he'll be good in the other.

I hope you understand this is how it works for all teams, so there is no Yahoodi Saazish going on against Pakistan.
 
of course we can complain. the system is totally bogus. india has no series outside the subcontinent until 2018! how is that fair? there needs to be some sort of standardization to have the rankings make sense. have a set timeframe and have everyone play everyone and then give the mace as a trophy at the end of the cycle like every other sport. right now, team 1 has x games at home, y away, team 2 has a totally different number, blah blah blah.

That's fair because between 2011 - 2015 we played 17 tests in OZ/ENG while you were busy playing only in UAE/SL.
 
I wonder once the 3-0 UAE whitewash of England by Pakistan gets erased, where will Pakistan find themselves on the table.
 
No point in trying to convince us, write a letter to the ICC. Maybe the will change the way they rank countries.

I'm not convincing you of anything, since you can't even be convinced about the fact that tests ans ODIs are different formats and that a player cannot be equally good in both of them. I'm actually not even interested in discussing things with you but keep quoting me.

Funny...the flawed ICC ratings never got a mention when Pakistan got to number 1..Lols

That is because Pakistan deserved to be #1.

It's like complaining about a pitch. A pitch may be flawed, but it is equally flawed for both teams. The ICC ranking may be flawed, but it is equally flawed for all teams.

You want to have your cake and eat it to. You regard the rankings as great when your favored team is ranked #1, and as flawed when they are not.

When the rankings reflect reality, why should there be any complains? Who would complain about the rankings placing South Africa on top, and England second in 2012? No one would because that reflects reality.

India being on top does not reflect reality since they are not a better team than Pakistan.
 
I hope you understand this is how it works for all teams, so there is no Yahoodi Saazish going on against Pakistan.

I didn't say that there is any conspiracy against Pakistan. Just stating that it is flawed which is why the rankings are not the be all, end all.

I wonder once the 3-0 UAE whitewash of England by Pakistan gets erased, where will Pakistan find themselves on the table.

It wouldn't effect the position much because that holds minimal weightage in 2016.

It was like some genius saying that India beating England in England was why they deserved to be #1 in 2011.
 
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Rain kept us away from the deserved #1 ranking for most of this year, but we will get it despite that. Stuff of champions ! I can see us holding on to the ranking for a couple of years atleast. :kohli
 
Rain kept us away from the deserved #1 ranking for most of this year but we will get it despite that. Stuff of champions ! I can see us holding on to the ranking for a couple of years atleast. :kohli

Some thing similar was said before England series so Don,t underestimate Pakistan

By the way we Were first with the "MAC" :bhatti :uakmal
 
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Some thing similar was said before England series so Don,t underestimate Pakistan

By the way we Were first with the "MAC":bhatti:uakmal

Never, you will be the #2 side for next two years, and together, we will rule Cricket. :srini
 
Never, you will be the #2 side for next two years, and together, we will rule Cricket. :srini

Don't count Australia out. If India draws against Eng and they whitewash Pakistan, they could be back as #1.
 
Mace on way back- bcci chck DHL delivery please...
 
India will be no.1 after this win with 115 points and pakistan 4th with 105 points. However, Pakistan will rise to #2 after they whitewash Windies with 112 points.
 
http://www.icc-cricket.com/news/201...-to-virat-kohli-at-the-end-of-the-indore-test

The International Cricket Council (ICC) will present the ICC Test Championship mace to India captain Virat Kohli at the Holkar Stadium in Indore after the end of the third and final Test against New Zealand.

On behalf of the ICC, former India captain and ICC Cricket Hall of Famer Sunil Gavaskar will make the presentation immediately after the awards ceremony for the series.

India is assured of the top ranking, but will officially overtake Pakistan at the top of the table only when the rankings are updated at the end of the series.


About the mace

The mace was produced by the then British Crown Jeweller, Asprey & Garrard, in 2001, which was commissioned to make a distinctive prize designed to stand out from other cricket trophies.

The designers produced a 90cm silver and gold-plated trophy based on a cricket stump as its shank, topped by an orb that represents the cricket world – both geographically and through the inclusion of the emblems of all 10 ICC Members that have played Test cricket.

The stump and the orb combine to portray the mace, regarded as a symbol of authority and prestige. This is regarded as an appropriate combination given the rich history of Test cricket and its image as the most traditional and purest form of the game.

The mace sits on a wooden base with a silver-plated plaque in front with room for engravings of the sides to hold it.

The mace was valued at stg£30,000 in 2001 and automatically passes from one team to another as results confirm a change of leadership in the MRF Tyres ICC Test Team Rankings table.
 
Woohoo... India are the number one TEST side in the world... better than everyone else....
 
Did Kane just call India the best bowling side in the world? "heat of the moment' comment

Overall, we are at best a mid tier bowling unit behind SA, Eng, Aus and Pakistan
 
Let me Indulge myself.


सारे जहाँ से अच्छा हिन्दोसिताँ हमारा
 
Did Kane just call India the best bowling side in the world? "heat of the moment' comment

Overall, we are at best a mid tier bowling unit behind SA, Eng, Aus and Pakistan

In Asian conditions, we are by far the best. Our pacers are world class, while spinners are a notch above our closest competitor.

Yes, it is a different story away, but I hope Kohli's captaincy will turn things around.
 
Congrats to India - the icing is that it's a young side which shows that it has the potential to hold on
 
Woohooo.

Its such a good moment that I wouldn't mind hugging even Rohit now.

My views on him remain the same but he played a very important role in this series.
 
"Best bowling side for these conditions" if I remember correctly.

Wahab riaz, Rahat Ali , Sohail Khan and Amir are better proponents of reverse swing than Shami, yadav or B kumar


Yasir and Ashwin are nearly similar in these conditions

Jadeda is better than Zulfiqar



Overall Pakistan has better attack even in these conditions
 
Wahab riaz, Rahat Ali , Sohail Khan and Amir are better proponents of reverse swing than Shami, yadav or B kumar


Yasir and Ashwin are nearly similar in these conditions

Jadeda is better than Zulfiqar



Overall Pakistan has better attack even in these conditions

Dunno...maybe....but I was speaking about what Kane said.
 
Wahab riaz, Rahat Ali , Sohail Khan and Amir are better proponents of reverse swing than Shami, yadav or B kumar


Yasir and Ashwin are nearly similar in these conditions

Jadeda is better than Zulfiqar



Overall Pakistan has better attack even in these conditions

Not necessarily. We haven't even Sohail bowl in these conditions. Nor have we seen aamir. Wahab/Rahat and Yasir i agree. Overall i think its closer than you are suggesting.
 
Not necessarily. We haven't even Sohail bowl in these conditions. Nor have we seen aamir. Wahab/Rahat and Yasir i agree. Overall i think its closer than you are suggesting.

We will see after the WI series
 
India captain Virat Kohli was today presented with the prestigious ICC Test Championship mace for leading his team to the top of the MRF Tyres ICC Test Team Rankings.

On behalf of the ICC, the mace was presented by former India captain and ICC Cricket Hall of Famer Sunil Gavaskar at a ceremony following the conclusion of the third and final Test against New Zealand in Indore.

India was guaranteed number-one spot on the MRF Tyres ICC Test Team Rankings after it took a 2-0 lead in Kolkata. Since the Test team rankings are only updated at the end of the series, India formally replaced Pakistan at the top of the table at the end of the Indore Test which it won by 321 runs.

“It’s an honour and a moment of great pride to receive the ICC Test Championship mace. To be recognised as the best in the traditional form of the game is as good as it gets for any team and stuff that dreams are made of,” Kohli said.

Kohli has become only the second India captain after Mahendra Singh Dhoni and 10th overall to receive the mace, even though it is for the third time since Kohli took over as captain that India has led the rankings table. India had topped the rankings very briefly in January-February this year as well as in August. India’s longest stint at the number-one position was from November 2009 to August 2011 under Dhoni.

The other captains to have received the mace are Steve Waugh, Ricky Ponting, Michael Clarke, Steve Smith (all Australia), Andrew Strauss (England), Graeme Smith, Hashim Amla (both South Africa) and Misbah-ul-Haq (Pakistan).

Kohli credited his players for performing consistently to take the team to the top.

“Individual performances are important, but in the end it is what those performances do for the team that matter. If we have been able to become the best in the world, it is because there is a lot of bonding among team members and there is always someone to raise his hand in a difficult situation. I think that is what makes a top side.

“I would like to thank all players and support staff, who have all been part of our team because I feel such an achievement is only possible with contribution from all quarters. To reach the top of the Test rankings takes a lot of hard work and perseverance,” the India captain said.


Kohli said playing Test cricket is an ambition for any cricketer and to be part of such a team is to be treasured.

“We all grow up playing cricket, hoping to represent our country in Test cricket. But to be part of a team that does well continuously in Test cricket is something altogether different. I’m confident we will continue to win matches at home as well as abroad in the coming seasons. I want this team to be remembered as one of the finest Test teams ever,” Kohli said.

ICC Chief Executive David Richardson praised India for regaining the top ranking within weeks of losing it to Pakistan.

“I congratulate India for some fine performances which have helped it win the ICC Test Championship mace during a great period for Test cricket. The number-one ranking has changed hands three times in as many months, indicative of the current competitiveness of Test cricket at the highest level, which is great for players and fans.

“With other sides in touching distance of the top, the MRF ICC Test rankings continue to provide great context for the traditional format of the game. I wish India the very best in their efforts to stay at number one,” Mr Richardson said.

Mr Gavaskar said such an accomplishment will be cherished for years to come.

“I have always believed that Test cricket tests you in every way. To come out on top over a period of time and be acknowledged as the best in this format is a big achievement. It is a result of sustained efforts in different conditions.

“I have some fine memories of Test cricket from my playing days. Taking on a top team in Test cricket was what pumped us up and certainly something that I always looked forward to.

“There may be three formats of the game now but every cricketer knows that the challenge that Test cricket presents is much more and calls for a different set of skills, grit and character. I congratulate Virat and his team for this fine achievement and wish them all success in the coming years,” he said.

The rankings at the top of the table could see more changes in the coming months since only seven points separate the top four teams with second-ranked Pakistan (111), third-placed Australia (108) and fourth-placed England (108) all featuring in upcoming Test series.

Pakistan, which is playing the West Indies in a three-Test series in the United Arab Emirates this month, is also due to tour New Zealand and Australia over the next few months. Other upcoming series include England and Australia’s tour of India and tours by South Africa and New Zealand to Australia.

The busy calendar means that the race to the top spot for the annual cut-off date of April 1 can be expected to be intense. The side that tops the ICC Test Team Rankings on that date will receive a cash award of $1million. The side placed second will get $500,000 while those finishing third and fourth will receive $200,000 and $100,000, respectively.

MRF Tyres ICC Test Rankings (as of 11 October 2016)

Rank Team Points
1. India 115
2. Pakistan 111
3. Australia 108
4. England 108
5. South Africa 96
6. Sri Lanka 95
7. New Zealand 91
8. West Indies 67
9. Bangladesh 57
10. Zimbabwe 8
(Developed by David Kendix)

About the mace

The mace was produced by the then British Crown Jeweller, Asprey & Garrard, in 2001, which was commissioned to make a distinctive prize designed to stand out from other cricket trophies.

The designers produced a 90cm silver and gold-plated trophy based on a cricket stump as its shank, topped by an orb that represents the cricket world – both geographically and through the inclusion of the emblems of all 10 ICC Members that have played Test cricket.

The stump and the orb combine to portray the mace, regarded as a symbol of authority and prestige. This is regarded as an appropriate combination given the rich history of Test cricket and its image as the most traditional and purest form of the game.

The mace sits on a wooden base with a silver-plated plaque in front with room for engravings of the sides to hold it.

The mace was valued at stg£30,000 in 2001 and automatically passes from one team to another as results confirm a change of leadership in the MRF Tyres ICC Test Team Rankings table.
 
"Best bowling side for these conditions" if I remember correctly.

I agree with kane. In these conditions, Ashwin+Jadeja are very deadly and then you have bowlers for reverse swing as well.

NZ blew up their chances in the 2nd test to be honest. They got a pitch suiting them and still couldn't out bowl Indians.
 
I agree with kane. In these conditions, Ashwin+Jadeja are very deadly and then you have bowlers for reverse swing as well.

NZ blew up their chances in the 2nd test to be honest. They got a pitch suiting them and still couldn't out bowl Indians.

I too think the same.

There are areas of improvement but it does look well rounded.

I think we may need 3 spinners if we were to play Pakistan's strong lineup on Asian tracks (hypotheticals).
 
I meant we will see how good is Amir and Sohail with reverse swing

Personally i think Aamir will be devastating with the pink ball under lights. I have never seen Aamir bowl a quality spell of reverse till now so i'm not sure about that.
 
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