India to demand MORE immigration as part of post-Brexit trade deal

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The Prime Minister will travel to visit the leaders of the global economic powerhouse on her first overseas trade trip this week.

Politicians and business leaders have said the number of Visas handed out to Indian nationals will be top of the agenda for the talks as Theresa May tries to secure a post-Brexit agreement.

Patricia Hewitt, chair of the UK India Business Council, said the two countries would be striking a "modern deal" which would have to include an agreement on immigration.

She said: “When you talk about services, some of that involves the temporary movement of people.”

Chandrajit Banerjee, head of the Confederation of Indian Industry, said: “It is very important for business that people have more access to work in Britain, and this will be a key demand in any trade talks.”

Mrs May will have to balance any agreement on numbers with her promise to reduce net immigration to fewer than 100,000 people a year.



The Indian government is already involved in complex negotiations with the EU over trade which have dragged out for a decade, with the bloc refusing to grant India 50,000 working visas in exchange for trade.

David Cameron promised to double Britain's trade with India within five years but fell short of his target and Britain has also fallen behind other countries who have capitalised on India's continued economic growth.

But Trade Secretary Liam Fox has said that a "working group" has already been created with an Indian delegation.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...emand-MORE-immigration-post-Brexit-trade-deal

I don't think this is what Brexit supporters voted for. Hopefully May will advise India to push the "Nowhere like Home" mantra. As a rising superpower Indians should look to stay at home rather than seek posts at fading empires like the UK.

 

[Slog]

Lol is this even possible

What a demand

 

[Syed1]

I thought India was a developed country and people were moving there from all over the world. Rather than the other way round.

 

[Pakistanian]

looool

What kind of govt does that? It's weird that indian govt helps millions of Indians immigrate, no wonder there are so many Indians at my school and in my state, and I hear it's like that all over America. Idk why it's so easy for them to get a work or student visa when many of them can't speak English.

 

[blackanhyellow]

looool

What kind of govt does that? It's weird that indian govt helps millions of Indians immigrate, no wonder there are so many Indians at my school and in my state, and I hear it's like that all over America. Idk why it's so easy for them to get a work or student visa when many of them can't speak English.

Isnt this a smart plan though?

India will always have enough doctors and engineers as they are more than likely producing more of them than they are local jobs for them. Its easier to export the excess people than to create more jobs.

This way they get a stronger Indian presence in western countries. Britain, Canada, and U.S. already has a strong Indian lobby within which will continue to grow.

The defense minister of Canada is an Indian born Canadian.

Not to mention all the money overseas desis send back home to their families and the vacations they take there which also brings in money.

 

[troodon]

looool

What kind of govt does that? It's weird that indian govt helps millions of Indians immigrate, no wonder there are so many Indians at my school and in my state, and I hear it's like that all over America. Idk why it's so easy for them to get a work or student visa when many of them can't speak English.

Accha??

All Indians who get Visa speak English decently even if they have thick accents.

You do know that to get a Visa, you need to write TOEFL Test and then pass an interview before they get Visa.

 

[Slog]

Accha??

All Indians who get Visa speak English decently even if they have thick accents.

You do know that to get a Visa, you need to write TOEFL Test and then pass an interview before they get Visa.

not true lol. Only if they are coming for education is that the case

seen many desi shopkeekers and some cabbies in new york who struggle to speak a lick of english

 

[troodon]

not true lol. Only if they are coming for education is that the case

seen many desi shopkeekers and some cabbies in new york who struggle to speak a lick of english

Read my post carefully.

Pakistanian was talking about Indians with Student and Work Visas. Hence my response. Not the illegals and illiterates who work in restaurants and drive cabs.

 

[Slog]

Read my post carefully.

Pakistanian was talking about Indians with Student and Work Visas. Hence my response. Not the illegals and illiterates who work in restaurants and drive cabs.

Ok my apologies.

School especially doesn't make sense. Usually you see accents but generally the grasp of English is decent.

 

[Pakistanian]

Accha??

All Indians who get Visa speak English decently even if they have thick accents.

You do know that to get a Visa, you need to write TOEFL Test and then pass an interview before they get Visa.

Yeah they got really thick accents, there are tons of indians at my school and it's difficult to understand what they say. There are also some indian professors and if you go on ratemyprofessor you'll see that most of them have negative reviews.

 

[Markhor]

Brexit voters getting a reality check every day.

Turns out post-Brexit, countries will still insist on easing restrictions on movement of workers as part of trading relationships !

 

[Pakistanian]

Isnt this a smart plan though?

India will always have enough doctors and engineers as they are more than likely producing more of them than they are local jobs for them. Its easier to export the excess people than to create more jobs.

This way they get a stronger Indian presence in western countries. Britain, Canada, and U.S. already has a strong Indian lobby within which will continue to grow.

The defense minister of Canada is an Indian born Canadian.

Not to mention all the money overseas desis send back home to their families and the vacations they take there which also brings in money.

Yeah but it's just so malicious and manipulative for a govt to do that.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Brexit voters getting a reality check every day.

Turns out post-Brexit, countries will still insist on easing restrictions on movement of workers as part of trading relationships !

Notice that in the headlines MORE is capitalised to express Dail Express outrage that immigration could still be going up despite Brexit.

 

[sjahmed23]

India has manipulated the job market and wages big time for IT and Engineering professionals with their outsourcing companies.

 

[Bewal Express]

So despite all the talk, the Indians just want to export people.

 

[Pakistanian]

India has manipulated the job market and wages big time for IT and Engineering professionals with their outsourcing companies.

That's true, a lot of the work permits for tech go to them. I think the US needs put a cap for every country, it ain't fair that one country gets 80% of the permits just cause they've established a monopoly.

 

[princeuk]

Reduce immigration to under 100,000 every year and yet allow more immigrants from India? How is that gonna work?

 

[big_gamer007]

Good we can't reduce population ourselves so might as well send people to different countries as many as we can..

 

[Tera Gawaandi]

In 2014, There were over 700 Indian-owned businesses in the UK, employing more than 1,00,000 people.

More immigration is just a small price for making sure these company's headquarters stay in UK after BREXIT.

IT jobs rant is this thread is irrelevant, US serves that purpose. Indians are owner of big industries (Auto/Steel) in UK.

 

[Tera Gawaandi]

Idk why it's so easy for them to get a work or student visa when many of them can't speak English.

Yes, its easy for Indian students to study abroad, all they require is IELTS test for CA/AU/UK/NZ and TOEFL for US, None for EU. There are no background checks, nothing. You get visa at rapid pace, its streamlined process for Indians. I know some students who got their visa in 3 days after transferring fee to their college in Australia.

Its 10 times harder for Pakistani students, process is very lengthy. They run all kinds of background checks on Pakistani nationals.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

In 2014, There were over 700 Indian-owned businesses in the UK, employing more than 1,00,000 people.

More immigration is just a small price for making sure these company's headquarters stay in UK after BREXIT.

IT jobs rant is this thread is irrelevant, US serves that purpose. Indians are owner of big industries (Auto/Steel) in UK.

It's not the Indian business owners that the govt is trying to restrict, it's the low skilled or students who fail to find employment who are being refused either entry or stay beyond their visa. In fact the govt is raising the salary threshold from 24k to 30k to try and deter more Indians from coming over. That was what the driving factor behind the Brexit vote.

 

[IAJ]

Smart move by India, Britian will look to Asia now and they have to give to take.

 

[Pure Evil]

Extremely stupid from the Indian government to ask for visa restrictions. Here we have a first-world country coming over for a trade-deal and instead of concentrating on cutting edge research, aerospace, medicines we asking them for more visas. How long are we going to be the country that provides doctors and engineers? When do we start becoming the country which does cutting edge research? Stupid paindoo mentality.

 

[LastManstanding]

It's not the Indian business owners that the govt is trying to restrict, it's the low skilled or students who fail to find employment who are being refused either entry or stay beyond their visa. In fact the govt is raising the salary threshold from 24k to 30k to try and deter more Indians from coming over. That was what the driving factor behind the Brexit vote.

Main issue isn't the low skills but cheap labor. That's why raising the salary threshold to 30k is hardly going to make any difference. An average Brit IT professional with 5 years of experience gets 45k salary on an average. So a company will gladly pay 30k to its Indian employee and get the same work done much cheaper.

 

[gani999]

Extremely stupid from the Indian government to ask for visa restrictions. Here we have a first-world country coming over for a trade-deal and instead of concentrating on cutting edge research, aerospace, medicines we asking them for more visas. How long are we going to be the country that provides doctors and engineers? When do we start becoming the country which does cutting edge research? Stupid paindoo mentality.

The CII is unfotunately, dominated by IT services companies, many of which are dodgy and are known to misuse work visas. It is these idiots who keep asking for more visas.

The EU-India FTA has been stalled for decades because of this silly behaviour.

 

[Pure Evil]

The CII is unfotunately, dominated by IT services companies, many of which are dodgy and are known to misuse work visas. It is these idiots who keep asking for more visas.

The EU-India FTA has been stalled for decades because of this silly behaviour.

Yes, that's why I was ranting about the inability to see beyond ITES

 

[Markhor]

Guardian:

At the event with her Indian counterpart Theresa May also said that Britain’s willingness to relax visa rules for Indians coming to the UK would be linked to India’s willingness to take back nationals who have overstayed.

She said the government would consider further improvements to its visa offer “if at the same time we can step up the speed and volume of returns of Indians with no right to remain in the UK.”

 

[Varun]

If it means we can reduce the number of people here from 1,364,749,165 to 1,347,533 I'm all for it.

 

[Pure Evil]

Guardian:

At the event with her Indian counterpart Theresa May also said that Britain’s willingness to relax visa rules for Indians coming to the UK would be linked to India’s willingness to take back nationals who have overstayed.

She said the government would consider further improvements to its visa offer “if at the same time we can step up the speed and volume of returns of Indians with no right to remain in the UK.”

I dont think there is any resistance from the Indian Govt for taking back illegal aliens from India (as long as it can be reasonably proved). If the people dont want to leave voluntarily it is a problem that has to be addressed by the UK govt. The focus here is on engineers and doctors who come in on higher salaries and send remittances home. More specifically engineers, which are employed by Indian ITES companies as they provide a significant cost saving as compared to their UK counterparts.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Theresa May rejects calls to raise Indian visa quota

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37891734


May holding firm. I think the problem has been too many Indians have come here on a student visa, then fail to return home when they don't find work after their studies are finished.

 

[JaDed]

Thread on how to hate Brexit and also Indian immigration.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Thread on how to hate Brexit and also Indian immigration.

Brexit and Indian immigration are clearly related issues if you bear in mind that the single most important campaign for the Leave supporters was restriction of immigration and to take back control of our borders from the EU imposed minimum numbers.

 

[90MPH]

Its actually a fair demand.

If you want their business then take a fair amount of their workers as well.

Immigration is needed if its going to be blocked from EU states.

 

[JaDed]

Brexit and Indian immigration are clearly related issues if you bear in mind that the single most important campaign for the Leave supporters was restriction of immigration and to take back control of our borders from the EU imposed minimum numbers.

I agree but from the thread it looks like Brexit supporters(actual ones) hate Indian or any immigration but some posters its about hating leaders that support brexit as well as demand for Indian immigration which is ironical but its not my country so yeah.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

pretty laughable attempt from modi government rejected by May.

How exactly does ...let 100,000 Indians per year in U.K. Constitute trade policy of India? Should it not be about tariffs on goods and services rather than exporting your people, and I am assuming they are the educated and talented type, who are usually the ones you want to keep if you are to progress

 

[Yossarian]

Its actually a fair demand.

If you want their business then take a fair amount of their workers as well.

Immigration is needed if its going to be blocked from EU states.

Fair demand or not. But can anyone see a UK govt., just after Brexit, agreeing to an increase in immigration numbers? Especially from a 'brown' country?

Lets be honest about this, whilst the headlines about too many immigrants were about the influx of EU immigrants from Eastern Europe, the underlying current driving most of this sentiment (especially in those areas which haven't experienced many EU immigrants) was all about non-white immigrants, mainly from Africa and the sub-continent.

After all, whilst a fresh off the ferry or plane average white 'immigrant' (EU as well as non-EU) walking down the road won't be obvious as being 'an immigrant', a brown or black face in the current climate would very likely be assumed as being an immigrant even if they were 3rd or 4th generation UK born.