Lessons for India from the UK elections 2024

[The Bald Eagle]

Lessons for India from the UK elections 2024

Impending downfall of right wing parties: The downfall of conservatives and Scottish Nationalist Party in Scotland are just a reminder that right wing parties are not here to stay forever if they can't deliver on their promises. The same happened with BJP in India but on a lower scale.

Pressing need of an unbiased media and exit polls: Indian stock markets suffered from a major shockwave owing to biased and erroneous reporting of India media which were showing BJP alliance claiming more than 400 seats but in reality they couldn't even cross 300.

Actions not catchy slogans the recipe for success: Conservative Party pull out the gimmicks of Brexit, free trade agreements on Great Britain terms, the pledge to bring back past glory. Likewise BJP also promised "Ache din" without much progress and suffered a shock in recent elections.

Waning support for parties peddling hate politics: Suella Braverman and other conservative members spewed hate regarding minorities and it seems that this affected their party more than themselves. The same happen with BJP in India with minorities voting against them overwhelmingly to just see them lose.

So guys plz share your lessons for the Indian democracy here from current UK elections

 

[JaDed]

Nothing to learn, if anything Britain can learn on how to improve productivity from India.
Britain has been in economical and scientific downfall, India even with so much poverty has been improving and people are aspiring

Even in Britain its Indians that are productive:

There are more people in Tamil Nadu alone than Britain..
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On Thursday, British Prime Minister Liz Truss resigned after just 44 days. To some she was an economic naif, brought down by delusions of resurgent Thatcherism; to others she was a conservative clown, who had turned the United Kingdom into a laughing stock. The turmoil in the UK economy caused by her budget prompted European newspapers to mock Britain for leaving the European Union. American media outlets wondered if she could last until the end of the month. Britain's own newspapers compared the Prime Minister to a rotting head of lettuce — and then noted the lettuce outlived her. Italy's leading daily, Corriere Della Sera, ran with the headline "Panic in London: 'We have become the new Italy'."

This last jab was particularly galling for Truss, and not just because it nodded at how politically unstable the UK has become (Italy went through six prime ministers in the ten years between 2006 and 2016: when Truss' successor is named, that will be four in four years for the UK). The comparison also points to the UK's economic malaise: its low growth, its bloated public services — and its sluggish productivity, a long-lived feature of the UK economy that Truss vowed to reverse.

Mind The Productivity Gap
Truss and her ill-fated finance minister, Kwasi Kwarteng, were two of the five co-authors of Britannia Unchained, a booklet published in 2012 warning that the UK was mired in a slough of low productivity, lack of ambition and an inability to compete with fast-growing Asian economies.

"The British are among the worst idlers in the world," they wrote. "We work among the lowest hours, we retire early and our productivity is poor. Whereas Indian children aspire to be doctors or businessmen, the British are more interested in football and pop music."

Truss telegraphed her intent to tackle Britain's culture of unproductive laziness during the race to replace Boris Johnson, so it was no surprise to anyone who was listening when she burst out of the gate, guns leveled at Britain's low productivity and growth. Her mini-budget, released on September 23, promised the biggest tax cuts the UK had seen since 1972, as well as an energy price freeze, all to be paid for with a massive borrowing spree.

https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2022/10/25/1130633196/britains-productivity-problem

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Lessons for Pakistan?

 

[Varun]

Has Britain too had an issue with exit polls during this election?

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Has Britain too had an issue with exit polls during this election?

No there exit polls were spot on unlike India's ones. Of course they don't have any Godi media

 

[nish_mate]

Lessons for India, don't change your PMs with change of season...3 pms in last 2 years, 5 pms in 14 years, UK that is not India

2 don't live beyond your means....

 

[nish_mate]

Another lesson you can win a super majority with 35% vote share

Win 210 seats with a million less votes for Tories and Reform

In India and in FT and Economist and Dawn that would be portrayed over and over again

Lesson for India, doesn't matter who wins though on a serious notes vacate your ministerial bungalow pronto

 

[nish_mate]

Another lesson xenophobia might not win you seats outright, but will work as vote cutter for centre right

Another lesson, politics of jealousy and envy for success work, levelling down rather than levelling up has greater vote attraction

Last lesson coalition govts don't work, need a super majority to push through "change" whether it's a left or right govt

Wonder if international media will now moan about lack of accountability for UK govt without a viable opposition

 

[FearlessRoar]

India is unwilling to learn, so there's no point in trying to teach them.

 

[nish_mate]

India is unwilling to learn, so there's no point in trying to teach them.

How did you get to that? Tories were at helm for 14 years, then voters has enough of them. As much as you dislike Modi, he's been there for only 10 years.

If anything Indian voters clipped wings of Modi much before British electorate of their right wingers

What you will have to agree is brute majorities make life easier, Modi had it, now Starmer has it.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Lessons for India from the UK elections 2024

Impending downfall of right wing parties: The downfall of conservatives and Scottish Nationalist Party in Scotland are just a reminder that right wing parties are not here to stay forever if they can't deliver on their promises. The same happened with BJP in India but on a lower scale.

Pressing need of an unbiased media and exit polls: Indian stock markets suffered from a major shockwave owing to biased and erroneous reporting of India media which were showing BJP alliance claiming more than 400 seats but in reality they couldn't even cross 300.

Actions not catchy slogans the recipe for success: Conservative Party pull out the gimmicks of Brexit, free trade agreements on Great Britain terms, the pledge to bring back past glory. Likewise BJP also promised "Ache din" without much progress and suffered a shock in recent elections.

Waning support for parties peddling hate politics: Suella Braverman and other conservative members spewed hate regarding minorities and it seems that this affected their party more than themselves. The same happen with BJP in India with minorities voting against them overwhelmingly to just see them lose.

So guys plz share your lessons for the Indian democracy here from current UK elections

Huh?? How??
Literally none of those points apply to India or even UK for that matter.

1. BJP's vote share literally remained the same ( almost 37%) as in 2019, when they swept through everything, while Torries collapsed to by 20% vote share. Infact the right wing Reform is up to 15% in UK. How on earth is that downfall of right wing. Labour is more or less stuck at the same percentage vote.
Main Lessson : Splitting of votes within your vote bank matters in UK, consolidation of opposition vote share mattered in India
2. Exit polls get it wrong sometimes, India is very complex. This has nothing to do with unbiased media needs.
3. BJP got over confident about their own projected success infact and some BJP voters didnt turn up thinking its an easy win anyways. Its always easy to spank a loser in hindsight. But BJP and Modi are still in power. Congress couldnt manage even half of what BJP has.
4. Waning support for hate peddlers: Dude, have you seen Reform and Nigel Farage. For the first time in history you have Reform MPs. Its the third largest party with 15% vote share. Combine Tory and Reform and it clearly trumps Labor vote share.

Your reading of UK elections is way off let alone the lessons for Indian democracy.

The basic lesson is :First Past the post system can throw in landslides win if the political maths is done right.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Lessons for Pakistan?

Let the elections be a free and fair one

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

No there exit polls were spot on unlike India's ones. Of course they don't have any Godi media

60 million v/s 1000 million
1 language v/s 30+ major languages

Yeah, Exit polls are easy in India. They missed out on the consolidation of opposition of votes. Exit polls were not wrong about the vote share. First pass the post system can easily trip polls.

 

[nish_mate]

Similarities : Project fear doesn't work

Tories and BJP both ran project fear, only Labour in UK had a splash back

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Huh?? How??
Literally none of those points apply to India or even UK for that matter.

1. BJP's vote share literally remained the same ( almost 37%) as in 2019, when they swept through everything, while Torries collapsed to by 20% vote share. Infact the right wing Reform is up to 15% in UK. How on earth is that downfall of right wing. Labour is more or less stuck at the same percentage vote.
Main Lessson : Splitting of votes within your vote bank matters in UK, consolidation of opposition vote share mattered in India
2. Exit polls get it wrong sometimes, India is very complex. This has nothing to do with unbiased media needs.
3. BJP got over confident about their own projected success infact and some BJP voters didnt turn up thinking its an easy win anyways. Its always easy to spank a loser in hindsight. But BJP and Modi are still in power. Congress couldnt manage even half of what BJP has.
4. Waning support for hate peddlers: Dude, have you seen Reform and Nigel Farage. For the first time in history you have Reform MPs. Its the third largest party with 15% vote share. Combine Tory and Reform and it clearly trumps Labor vote share.

Your reading of UK elections is way off let alone the lessons for Indian democracy.

The basic lesson is :First Past the post system can throw in landslides win if the political maths is done right.

Wrong Exit polls by all media outlets is not a coincidence. That is why the results shook Indian stock market.

Seats matter not vote shares, PTI had the largest vote share in 2024 elections in Pakistan but still in opposition. BJP's number of seats also reduced and that is the bottom line.

Nigel has been making grounds since 2014. Also he was the one behind Brexit movement but what happened to the party who made Brexit...a landslide defeat??

Also most importantly on US vs Them can save BJP or any right wing party anymore if they failed on their campaign promises on economy

 

[nish_mate]

Similarities : Project fear doesn't work

Tories and BJP both ran project fear, only Labour in UK had a splash back

Edit should read Labour gained due to it, rather than plethora of parties in India gaining from BJPs hate fuelled campaign

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Wrong Exit polls by all media outlets is not a coincidence. That is why the results shook Indian stock market.

Seats matter not vote shares, PTI had the largest vote share in 2024 elections in Pakistan but still in opposition. BJP's number of seats also reduced and that is the bottom line.

Nigel has been making grounds since 2014. Also he was the one behind Brexit movement but what happened to the party who made Brexit...a landslide defeat??

Also most importantly on US vs Them can save BJP or any right wing party anymore if they failed on their campaign promises on economy

Bhai, half knowledge is a dangerous thing. Some exit polls were close in India and many were wrong. A certain bias does creep in but we have seen completely opposite results in Exit polls for ages in India and I have already highlighted the reasons. So don't start projected your analysis based on your limited lens about India here.

Stock Markets always respond to elections based on projections. It happens in every part of the globe. Again, as you have so limited knowledge about Indian scenario before Modi, In 2004, Stock Market hit lower circuits ( A Fall of 15% in a single day) after a surprising performance by the Communists and 2009 it hit upper circuits when UPA made majority comfortably without needing communists.

India has been running before Modi and will continue after Modi.

And all your analysis about UK elections is utterly the opposite of what happened. Despite the lowest of low support for Torries, there is no growth of moderates in UK. All we see is rise of extreme nut jobs from the right which we are seeing almost everywhere in the world. How on earth is this result a defeat for Farage please explain ???

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Similarities : Project fear doesn't work

Tories and BJP both ran project fear, only Labour in UK had a splash back

Reform went from 2% vote share to 15% vote share, first time MPs in UK Parliament.
BJP retained its vote share.

Even Labour is not celebrating this much as you guys
Please hear the speech from Keir Starmer, he knows the reality of things.

 

[nish_mate]

Reform went from 2% vote share to 15% vote share, first time MPs in UK Parliament.
BJP retained its vote share.

Even Labour is not celebrating this much as you guys
Please hear the speech from Keir Starmer, he knows the reality of things.

Not sure if you read my posts on Reform, but not big fan of them


Tories ran project fear on Labour coming in and yet lost, Tory campag9gn was built on fear of Laboir coming in.


I have heard Starmers speech as I bloody live here in thr UK and he impacts me more than Modi or Rahul!!

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Not sure if you read my posts on Reform, but not big fan of them


Tories ran project fear on Labour coming in and yet lost, Tory campag9gn was built on fear of Laboir coming in.


I have heard Starmers speech as I bloody live here in thr UK and he impacts me more than Modi or Rahul!!

Bhai, Is UK a two party system?
A 15% vote share is not something to ignore, if you actually want to analyze.
From what was being talked about, Labour should have 40%+ vote share they have grossly underperformed and it shows from the political commentary coming out of UK. People who hated Torries simply went further right to Reform and in a big big way. That should scare the any decent person.

Starmer has won a similar landslide like Blair in 1997 but no one is calling Starmer the New Blair. Infact Labour vote share is less than what Jeremy Corbyn got in 2017 (which was 40%) and Labour had lost that elections.

Percentage of fear vote has only increased, the only thing is that it was deeply fragmented this time.

 

[nish_mate]

Bhai, Is UK a two party system?
A 15% vote share is not something to ignore, if you actually want to analyze.
From what was being talked about, Labour should have 40%+ vote share they have grossly underperformed and it shows from the political commentary coming out of UK. People who hated Torries simply went further right to Reform and in a big big way. That should scare the any decent person.

Starmer has won a similar landslide like Blair in 1997 but no one is calling Starmer the New Blair. Infact Labour vote share is less than what Jeremy Corbyn got in 2017 (which was 40%) and Labour had lost that elections.

Percentage of fear vote has only increased, the only thing is that it was deeply fragmented this time.

Bhai Starmer won a landslide coz the of disgust with Tories, not coz Starmer is miracle man.

With Blair and his new Labour there was hope, now as one poster said just relief.

The point I am making is Reform and xenophobic party might have got the %ge but not seats, they acted a vote cutters for Tories

In 2017 all Tories came out to vote coz they including me were ahit scared of Corbyn. This time loads of Laboir voters came out, Lib Dems came out, Tories sat home or the Bojos red wall turned Blue votes for Someone else


Tories whole campaign was Laboir will shaft you, attacking Starmer and built on Labour hate. That's the hate I am about

FWIW starmer IMHO will be gone in 4

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Bhai, half knowledge is a dangerous thing. Some exit polls were close in India and many were wrong. A certain bias does creep in but we have seen completely opposite results in Exit polls for ages in India and I have already highlighted the reasons. So don't start projected your analysis based on your limited lens about India here.

Stock Markets always respond to elections based on projections. It happens in every part of the globe. Again, as you have so limited knowledge about Indian scenario before Modi, In 2004, Stock Market hit lower circuits ( A Fall of 15% in a single day) after a surprising performance by the Communists and 2009 it hit upper circuits when UPA made majority comfortably without needing communists.

India has been running before Modi and will continue after Modi.

And all your analysis about UK elections is utterly the opposite of what happened. Despite the lowest of low support for Torries, there is no growth of moderates in UK. All we see is rise of extreme nut jobs from the right which we are seeing almost everywhere in the world. How on earth is this result a defeat for Farage please explain ???

Well its better to not answer a point instead of hurling some claims which one never made. Where did i said that this election was Farage's defeat, Also isn't Scottish national party's defeat a victory for moderates.

And a very big lesson for India that you missed here is that for LANDSLIDE VICTORIES like 400 par stuff you don't need to use hate speech like Invaders, baby boomers etc but need to represent the plan for a brighter future which Labour party did and hence got a landslide triumph. Modi and BJP can certainly learn from this experience.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Bhai Starmer won a landslide coz the of disgust with Tories, not coz Starmer is miracle man.

With Blair and his new Labour there was hope, now as one poster said just relief.

The point I am making is Reform and xenophobic party might have got the %ge but not seats, they acted a vote cutters for Tories

In 2017 all Tories came out to vote coz they including me were ahit scared of Corbyn. This time loads of Laboir voters came out, Lib Dems came out, Tories sat home or the Bojos red wall turned Blue votes for Someone else


Tories whole campaign was Laboir will shaft you, attacking Starmer and built on Labour hate. That's the hate I am about

FWIW starmer IMHO will be gone in 4

Bhai, you are all over the place.
Here is my analysis,
1. Labour has gained nothing in popularity and has underperformed than what was expected.
2. UK politics is going to shift to ultra right with Farage getting a speaker in Parliament. He managed Brexit and thats not changing, thats his legacy. and despite all that he was never allowed an entry into UK Parliament. If he moderates a slight, He can easily pull almost all of torries to his right who are fighting for survival now.

Do not underestimate the stupidity of voting public, US is going to give us Trump again. UK can do worse.

 

[nish_mate]

Bhai, you are all over the place.
Here is my analysis,
1. Labour has gained nothing in popularity and has underperformed than what was expected.
2. UK politics is going to shift to ultra right with Farage getting a speaker in Parliament. He managed Brexit and thats not changing, thats his legacy. and despite all that he was never allowed an entry into UK Parliament. If he moderates a slight, He can easily pull almost all of torries to his right who are fighting for survival now.

Do not underestimate the stupidity of voting public, US is going to give us Trump again. UK can do worse.

Bhai been a long day, but here is my final take on it

Reform was a protest vote against Tories and Farage like the opportunist he jlhas been he jumped on it and got a seat. Reform was poised to win a couple of seats the day Anderson joined .

I think Tories will now need to move to centre as they realised their ERG and hard right has ucked them up.

JRM getting done shows voters don't want a hard right Tory. Reform is a party that will take hard right, but the Tories will move to centre, to be. Viable


Stupidty of electorate was show cased 9 years ago when Brexit referendum happened, that highlighted how stupid British electorate is

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Well its better to not answer a point instead of hurling some claims which one never made. Where did i said that this election was Farage's defeat, Also isn't Scottish national party's defeat a victory for moderates.

And a very big lesson for India that you missed here is that for LANDSLIDE VICTORIES like 400 par stuff you don't need to use hate speech like Invaders, baby boomers etc but need to represent the plan for a brighter future which Labour party did and hence got a landslide triumph. Modi and BJP can certainly learn from this experience.

I have rebutted you point by point, would be nice to discuss in that format.
Here you have one conclusion and you are just referring itself back as a proof while clearly ignoring any facts I presented to your points. You simply refuse to acknowledge any other reason but the subjective narrative we hear in news. Numbers speak volumes. BJP's tactics didnt deliver on what they hoped for and personally I am glad too. But they are still in power, despite so much negative parameters in economy etc they still didnt lose vote share despite being 10 years in power. That speaks volumes.

Here is my predictions for UK in coming months and a year:
1. Labour will not ditch Torries anti immigrant stance. (Idiotic Rwanda plan will be ditched though)
2. Reform Party will be grow in local council elections
3. Tory defection to Reform will be seen
4. Scottish independence is as good as dead for discussion
5. Irish reunification will be discussed often.
6. UK economy will remain in doldrums
7. Trump will come insulting Starmer when he is President

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Bhai been a long day, but here is my final take on it

Reform was a protest vote against Tories and Farage like the opportunist he jlhas been he jumped on it and got a seat. Reform was poised to win a couple of seats the day Anderson joined .

I think Tories will now need to move to centre as they realised their ERG and hard right has ucked them up.

JRM getting done shows voters don't want a hard right Tory. Reform is a party that will take hard right, but the Tories will move to centre, to be. Viable


Stupidty of electorate was show cased 9 years ago when Brexit referendum happened, that highlighted how stupid British electorate is

just because you are centre bhai, doesnt mean rest of Tories are.
Farage getting 15% shows that almost 40% of Tory vote bank is xenophic right wingers. More the Tories move to centre they can take vote from centrist left of Labor, but Farage will continue to enjoy his place.

Stupid or not, that's the will of the people. Your desires alone cant give them dozens of IQ points.

 

[Itachi]

I never understood this type of comparison.

When it comes to comparison of societal systems, Indian specially works in a totally different system than West. The ideologies, the values are totally different.

It's really stupid to compare heterogeneity that of UK to that India. I am surprised how the lack of knowledge doesn't stop some people from comparing any x, y, z out of thin air.

 

[Champ_Pal]

I hear that Sunak acted too late on illegal immigration. His last ditch efforts on solving immigration problem failed to get him any votes. But people voting Labor will not help the problem.

BJP has done pretty well considering it was Modi's third term. The anti-incumbency will always be huge for someone seeking third term as PM. But BJP by themselves still managed to win 250 seats.

If anything, the entire world is moving towards right or center right. French elections are showing it. Argentina elections are also a proof of it. People are getting fed of with the globalist and socialist agenda of left parties.

 

[cricketjoshila]

India has a fully functional democracy. And Indians are not going to elect governments as per the liking of Pakistanis.

Just because there is a government in UK that pakistanis like doesn't mean Indians have to learn from it.

Anyways just to humour the OP

European Elections and US elections are likely to throw up right wing governments. Modi is still PM of India. NDA controls 22 states in India.

Sensex hit 80000 yesterday. Before elections it was 73k-74k. Its higher than than the levels it hit after the exit polls. If unbiased media means leftist propoganda rags like BBC or Guardian, well Brits can have them.

Indian economy is the fastest growing in the world. Infrastructure is growing at its fastest. FDI is growing.

Don't know about UK. But in India muslim votes were never in favour of BJP. Never were. BJP lost seats in UP due to non jatav dalit votes and rajput votes moving away.

Its funny how pakistanis want to teach India about democracy but live in a army controlled state. But then this hypocrisy is well known, AL Jazeera talks a lot about democracy.

About time Pakistanis start learning themselves and not pontificate to others who are in far better situation.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

It hilarious to see some people tantrums here when they consider their country the world's greatest democracy but then at the same time gets offended when compared with UK whom consider itself as the mother of parliamentary democracy.

Well Pakistani people have never made such claim. But to those who have made so why do they get so blushed when someone just shows them the mirror.

And on lessons, the obvious one is the tall claim of a landslide victory which one ruling party couldn't achieve despite monopoly over electronic media while in UK the opposition party did the same as they didn't use hate mongering to go past 400 par.

 

[Statpadder Inc]

I hear that Sunak acted too late on illegal immigration. His last ditch efforts on solving immigration problem failed to get him any votes. But people voting Labor will not help the problem.

BJP has done pretty well considering it was Modi's third term. The anti-incumbency will always be huge for someone seeking third term as PM. But BJP by themselves still managed to win 250 seats.

If anything, the entire world is moving towards right or center right. French elections are showing it. Argentina elections are also a proof of it. People are getting fed of with the globalist and socialist agenda of left parties.

14 years of Tory rule and Sunak failed his voter base on immigration. Also having no personality would hurt

 

[Technics 1210]

Reform voters have handed the 10 Downing Street to Labour on a silver platter.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

It hilarious to see some people tantrums here when they consider their country the world's greatest democracy but then at the same time gets offended when compared with UK whom consider itself as the mother of parliamentary democracy.

Well Pakistani people have never made such claim. But to those who have made so why do they get so blushed when someone just shows them the mirror.

And on lessons, the obvious one is the tall claim of a landslide victory which one ruling party couldn't achieve despite monopoly over electronic media while in UK the opposition party did the same as they didn't use hate mongering to go past 400 par.

Earth and Venus are planets but calling Venetian atmosphere similar to Earth's would be laughable.

The results of UK and Indian Elections are planets apart in major patterns while similar in very very niche areas if you really explore.
Major Differences:
1. Incumbent of many elections retained power, other place Torries got demolished
2. Vote share of the incumbent in India stayed the same, vote share of UK Torries got demolished
3. Exit polls were wrong in predicting the win margin in India, exit polls were almost spot on in UK

Some minor similarities:
1. Right wing retained the support level in India, fringe Right wing reaching mainstream levels in UK
2. Vote share of Congress increased by a minor 1% in India, same is the case for Labour in UK
3. Separatists wining a few seats in Punjab and Kashmir, separatists winning seats in Northern Ireland

Your analysis lacked even basic lesson for the UK let alone for India.
You had a pre-conceived conclusion and plugged in the points that you could based on the results but very well chose to ignore the detailed results.

 

[cricketjoshila]

It hilarious to see some people tantrums here when they consider their country the world's greatest democracy but then at the same time gets offended when compared with UK whom consider itself as the mother of parliamentary democracy.

Well Pakistani people have never made such claim. But to those who have made so why do they get so blushed when someone just shows them the mirror.

And on lessons, the obvious one is the tall claim of a landslide victory which one ruling party couldn't achieve despite monopoly over electronic media while in UK the opposition party did the same as they didn't use hate mongering to go past 400 par.

Its hilarious when people who have no idea about democracy are talking about democracy in India or UK.

Neither country votes as per the wishes of pakistanis.

What pakistanis claim or think is irrelevant here. UK or India or any democracy isn't going to give answers to Pakistan on how democracy is functioning in their country.

Mirror? You think Indians care about pakistani opinion on our democracy. This is the biggest joke i have heard. Look at the mirror yourself. Look at pakistan and think about its condition. People will laugh when pakistanis will give sermons about democracy.

I still don't understand why are you so concerned about India. Who wins who loses here has nothing to do with pakistan. Neither has it anything to do with UK.

Some Pakistanis have a habit of poking their noses everywhere. Who is winning elections in India? Who is winning in UK? What were the issues in elections? Which government is doing what? Which people are supporting whom in a war far away?

If pakistanis had shown this much concern about their own country Pakistan would have been a ideal country.

Btw continue with your propoganda about India for a few days.

 

[gani999]

No there exit polls were spot on unlike India's ones. Of course they don't have any Godi media

Anyone could have predicted the outcome of the UK election. It was known since long that Labour would win. India's election results were much harder to predict.
Maybe as a moderator you should exercise some more objectivity before using every little straw to belittle India?

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Btw continue with your propoganda about India for a few days.

Lol..this comment is so hilarious, Don't know which channel or news source do you guys consider to be impartial and correct.
As people here have termed Al Jazeera, BBC, Dawn, The Guardian as biased sources
Anyway everybody here could see who is getting apologetic and who is peddling propaganda.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Anyone could have predicted the outcome of the UK election. It was known since long that Labour would win. India's election results were much harder to predict.
Maybe as a moderator you should exercise some more objectivity before using every little straw to belittle India?

Ok bro, i may not be fully objective but still i always quote sources to back my point. And on Indian elections many of indian posters including my great friend @Rajdeep had already given their numbers on seats and verdict regarding Indian elections. Most of you guys thought it to be obvious but later it came as a surprise to you tbh

 

[Statpadder Inc]

Lol..this comment is so hilarious, Don't know which channel or news source do you guys consider to be impartial and correct.
As people here have termed Al Jazeera, BBC, Dawn, The Guardian as biased sources
Anyway everybody here could see who is getting apologetic and who is peddling propaganda.

Not sure about the others, but Al Jazeera is owned by the state of Qatar, they obviously have an agenda

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Ok bro, i may not be fully objective but still i always quote sources to back my point.

Why are you avoiding responding to my posts sir??
Is point by point response only meant for OP ??

 

[cricketjoshila]

Anyone could have predicted the outcome of the UK election. It was known since long that Labour would win. India's election results were much harder to predict.
Maybe as a moderator you should exercise some more objectivity before using every little straw to belittle India?

He can keep doing it. It isn't going to affect India one bit. The more pakistanis hate a political party, the more that party is likely to be strong in India.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Ok bro, i may not be fully objective but still i always quote sources to back my point. And on Indian elections many of indian posters including my great friend @Rajdeep had already given their numbers on seats and verdict regarding Indian elections. Most of you guys thought it to be obvious but later it came as a surprise to you tbh

I would love to see some sources for your first post. What sources helped you arrive on the fantastical claims you made?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Lol..this comment is so hilarious, Don't know which channel or news source do you guys consider to be impartial and correct.
As people here have termed Al Jazeera, BBC, Dawn, The Guardian as biased sources
Anyway everybody here could see who is getting apologetic and who is peddling propaganda.

Leftist rags and islamist outlets have a bias. And they can continue to do so.

With new IT rules kicking in in India all this negative propoganda with half truths will either have to prove it or take it down or lose access to India. No more propoganda allowed.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Leftist rags and islamist outlets have a bias. And they can continue to do so.

With new IT rules kicking in in India all this negative propoganda with half truths will either have to prove it or take it down or lose access to India. No more propoganda allowed.

OK you can quote some sources for us mods to follow on Indian affairs that are not part of Godi media. Thanks

I would love to see some sources for your first post. What sources helped you arrive on the fantastical claims you made?

OK i will present in due time

 

[cricketjoshila]

OK you can quote some sources for us mods to follow on Indian affairs that are not part of Godi media. Thanks

OK i will present in due time

What is Godi media?

 

[The Bald Eagle]

OK you can quote some sources for us mods to follow on Indian affairs that are not part of Godi media. Thanks

OK i will present in due time

The Actual results

Exit polls and India media


Below are UK elections results and Exit polls





@Aang_The_last_airbender check this out, will retort to other points tomorrow.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

The Actual results
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Exit polls and India media
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Below are UK elections results and Exit polls

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@Aang_The_last_airbender check this out, will retort to other points tomorrow.

UK Exit poll is like high school maths, while Indian Elections are post doctorate Quantam Mechanics, already the number and the scale of difference has been discussed but you keep repeating your point. Its like a housewife who can handle her home's budget thinks she can be finance minister of the country.

And again, the error in Indian exit polls is about 15- 20% ( with a couple of exit polls actually close to real result), its not like they predicted a wrong winner here, which infact has happened in the past. But Modi lives rent free in your head, so you wont get it.

Here is 2014 Exit Poll : NDA won 336 seats.


here is 2019 : When NDA had 353 seats with BJP alone 303, Exit polls were predicting just about 300 seats on an average.



Half baked knowledge is dangerous, especially when you are governed by your own preconceived prejudices.

 

[Itachi]

It hilarious to see some people tantrums here when they consider their country the world's greatest democracy but then at the same time gets offended when compared with UK whom consider itself as the mother of parliamentary democracy.

Well Pakistani people have never made such claim. But to those who have made so why do they get so blushed when someone just shows them the mirror.

And on lessons, the obvious one is the tall claim of a landslide victory which one ruling party couldn't achieve despite monopoly over electronic media while in UK the opposition party did the same as they didn't use hate mongering to go past 400 par.

That's thep problem. UK thinks too highly of itself. UK can think of itself as the mother of parliamentary democracy or it can even think of itself as the holy grail that stores the key of unlimited happiness of mankind but it is what it is..... Narcissism in others eyes.

The world has moved away from UK or euro centric perspective long ago. UK isn't relevant anywhere unless it's Master dictates that UK will handle dictate those terms.

 

[Itachi]

Lol..this comment is so hilarious, Don't know which channel or news source do you guys consider to be impartial and correct.
As people here have termed Al Jazeera, BBC, Dawn, The Guardian as biased sources
Anyway everybody here could see who is getting apologetic and who is peddling propaganda.

It's propaganda because you explicitly told yourself that you search in Google for BJP related to stuff to post in PP. That shows there's an agenda and subsequent posts transcends in to propaganda.

If one searches Google for anti Islamic articles only to post in pp, wouldn't it be a propaganda?

How is your action makes it a difference?

 

[Sidilicious]

Lessons for India from the UK elections 2024

Impending downfall of right wing parties: The downfall of conservatives and Scottish Nationalist Party in Scotland are just a reminder that right wing parties are not here to stay forever if they can't deliver on their promises. The same happened with BJP in India but on a lower scale.

Pressing need of an unbiased media and exit polls: Indian stock markets suffered from a major shockwave owing to biased and erroneous reporting of India media which were showing BJP alliance claiming more than 400 seats but in reality they couldn't even cross 300.

Actions not catchy slogans the recipe for success: Conservative Party pull out the gimmicks of Brexit, free trade agreements on Great Britain terms, the pledge to bring back past glory. Likewise BJP also promised "Ache din" without much progress and suffered a shock in recent elections.

Waning support for parties peddling hate politics: Suella Braverman and other conservative members spewed hate regarding minorities and it seems that this affected their party more than themselves. The same happen with BJP in India with minorities voting against them overwhelmingly to just see them lose.

So guys plz share your lessons for the Indian democracy here from current UK elections

1. SNP is a progressive party, not conservative

2. British media is also very Tory biased/Tory shills. It’s just that the Indian media is on another level where they don’t even hide their bias.

3. Tories lost because of the decline of British social institutions such as NHS, trains etc. In India, it’s obviously much worse but the Indian media has done a good job of covering up.

4. Hate politics, unfortunately, have worked. Just look at Reform UK’s vote share. But that is because local services have been ruined. If Labour can make peoples lives better, this hate politics vote share will decline.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

1. SNP is a progressive party, not conservative

2. British media is also very Tory biased/Tory shills. It’s just that the Indian media is on another level where they don’t even hide their bias.

3. Tories lost because of the decline of British social institutions such as NHS, trains etc. In India, it’s obviously much worse but the Indian media has done a good job of covering up.

4. Hate politics, unfortunately, have worked. Just look at Reform UK’s vote share. But that is because local services have been ruined. If Labour can make peoples lives better, this hate politics vote share will decline.

Are you being serious with point 3?

 

[Sidilicious]

Are you being serious with point 3?

So why did they lose?

If Sunak had managed to recover the Social Institutions making the peoples lives better, and taken strong action against cost of living, Tories would have done much better. They would have still lost, but would not be on 120 seats. It would have been more like Labour 330-340 and Tories around 250.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

So why did they lose?

If Sunak had managed to recover the Social Institutions making the peoples lives better, and taken strong action against cost of living, Tories would have done much better. They would have still lost, but would not be on 120 seats. It would have been more like Labour 330-340 and Tories around 250.

Sorry I meant where you thought the decline in India was worse than that in the UK but it's being covered up.

 

[cricketjoshila]

It's propaganda because you explicitly told yourself that you search in Google for BJP related to stuff to post in PP. That shows there's an agenda and subsequent posts transcends in to propaganda.

If one searches Google for anti Islamic articles only to post in pp, wouldn't it be a propaganda?

How is your action makes it a difference?

Its not limited to him. Others also do it.

But you won't find a single thread about negative activities of Muslims in India.

Anyways its PPs decision on how they want to run themselves. Just that the agenda and propoganda isn't hidden from any body.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Its not limited to him. Others also do it.

But you won't find a single thread about negative activities of Muslims in India.

Anyways its PPs decision on how they want to run themselves. Just that the agenda and propoganda isn't hidden from any body.

Most of the negative activities of Muslims are generated through WhatsApp fake news stories with added masala.

We have seen your stories debunked many times.

 

[Sidilicious]

Sorry I meant where you thought the decline in India was worse than that in the UK but it's being covered up.

I do mate. I am including not just civilian institutions but also governmental organisation.

For infrastructure, you don’t have look further than the news coming out in the last 2 weeks. Auodhya temple, built a few months back was already leaking water. Airports collapsing, bridges collapsing has been in the news every day.

Then the absolute destruction of the students futures by paper leaks of each and every central govt controlled exam. Use of the law enforcement agencies for Modi’s political agenda.

Things have gotten real bad, but the media will not show that. But the voters realised that and voted against modi with much greater intensity. Had India had a functioning media BJP would not have crossed 200 seats (instead of the 240) they got.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Most of the negative activities of Muslims are generated through WhatsApp fake news stories with added masala.

We have seen your stories debunked many times.

Here we have stories posted from little known websites or absolute biased sources but that's acceptable since it helps the propoganda.

But well known mainstream media articles are WhatsApp news.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I do mate. I am including not just civilian institutions but also governmental organisation.

For infrastructure, you don’t have look further than the news coming out in the last 2 weeks. Auodhya temple, built a few months back was already leaking water. Airports collapsing, bridges collapsing has been in the news every day.

Then the absolute destruction of the students futures by paper leaks of each and every central govt controlled exam. Use of the law enforcement agencies for Modi’s political agenda.

Things have gotten real bad, but the media will not show that. But the voters realised that and voted against modi with much greater intensity. Had India had a functioning media BJP would not have crossed 200 seats (instead of the 240) they got.

Stop lying.

No water was leaking from roof of the temple.

Ayodhya Ram Temple official says no roof leak, water came from pipes for wires

Ram Temple Construction Committee Chairman Nripendra Mishra has rejected the allegations of seepage of rainwater draining out from the sanctum sanctorum of the temple saying that it came down from the pipes fixed to install electric wires.

www.indiatoday.in

Airport collapsed? The heavy rain and storm that cause the canopy of the T1 to collapse was built in 2009. Delhi airport is built and managed by GMR. A private company. The deal was done in 2006.

Only one paper leaked. Neet UG.

Rest exams like UGC NET or neet pg were cancelled till government revamped the system.

You can keep whining about media, but Modi is winning. And sitting in some western country you can't and won't decide how we run our country.

The poisonous western liberal agenda won't be able to destroy our culture.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I do mate. I am including not just civilian institutions but also governmental organisation.

For infrastructure, you don’t have look further than the news coming out in the last 2 weeks. Auodhya temple, built a few months back was already leaking water. Airports collapsing, bridges collapsing has been in the news every day.

Then the absolute destruction of the students futures by paper leaks of each and every central govt controlled exam. Use of the law enforcement agencies for Modi’s political agenda.

Things have gotten real bad, but the media will not show that. But the voters realised that and voted against modi with much greater intensity. Had India had a functioning media BJP would not have crossed 200 seats (instead of the 240) they got.

I wondered why Modi chose to campaign based on bigotry rather than infrastructure improvements.

Perhaps this is the reason.

 

[Red-Indian]

I do mate. I am including not just civilian institutions but also governmental organisation.

For infrastructure, you don’t have look further than the news coming out in the last 2 weeks. Auodhya temple, built a few months back was already leaking water. Airports collapsing, bridges collapsing has been in the news every day.

Then the absolute destruction of the students futures by paper leaks of each and every central govt controlled exam. Use of the law enforcement agencies for Modi’s political agenda.

Things have gotten real bad, but the media will not show that. But the voters realised that and voted against modi with much greater intensity. Had India had a functioning media BJP would not have crossed 200 seats (instead of the 240) they got.

You're a strange guy. I'm guessing you either don't live in India or live in a weird bubble where you only read some sensational headlines. India is in the middle of one of most unprecedented government funded capital splurges by any country.


Almost all of it is being spent on core infrastructure.


You might have the odd crib about speed and quality of construction or the corruption involved but if you haven't noticed the crazy infrastructure build-up in India over the last 10 years, there's not much I can say.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

UK Exit poll is like high school maths, while Indian Elections are post doctorate Quantam Mechanics, already the number and the scale of difference has been discussed but you keep repeating your point. Its like a housewife who can handle her home's budget thinks she can be finance minister of the country.

And again, the error in Indian exit polls is about 15- 20% ( with a couple of exit polls actually close to real result), its not like they predicted a wrong winner here, which infact has happened in the past. But Modi lives rent free in your head, so you wont get it.

Here is 2014 Exit Poll : NDA won 336 seats.

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here is 2019 : When NDA had 353 seats with BJP alone 303, Exit polls were predicting just about 300 seats on an average.

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Half baked knowledge is dangerous, especially when you are governed by your own preconceived prejudices.

Thanks for proving my point that Indian exit polls have been predicting wrong results since forever. Hence your media needs to learn something from UK elections where they got it right. Also your argument that India's complex society is the reason behind this fallacy is also wrong.

As US is a much more complex society than yours but still besides 2016,majority of the time their exit polls are right too. Just for reference they have Hispanics, Asian, Non Anglo Saxon white voters, White Protestants, Catholics, Christian evangelists, Orthodox Jews, Zionist jews, Muslims, People of color, People of different gender including Transgender groups, People of North, People of Southern states, People of Western Coast, People of Eastern Coast, College graduates, Drop outs etc... But still managed to predict almost accurate exit polls. Hence a lesson for your media to learn.


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And this year Indian exit polls are even more horrible as per following source which just shaken your stock market from the core. Check the link below

How India’s exit polls got the 2024 Lok Sabha election horribly wrong​

How India’s exit polls got the 2024 Lok Sabha election horribly wrong

When almost all the exit polls predicted more than 350 seats for BJP, the results have sparked criticism and calls for probes into their methodology.

frontline.thehindu.com

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* On downfall of right wing parties in OP, it is so ludicrous how you keep on harping BJP has same share of vote. Lol... Man please wake up Indian democracy does not follow proportional representation like Germany. In your democracy, seats won matter more than vote share. And BJP have lost 63 seats in 2024 elections compared from the 2019 elections. So how come you don't see it as BJP downfall? I know you will say but but share of votes lol.

* On point of hate peddlers losing ground, you keep on quoting Farage's success who only won 4 seats but what about those 5 independent candidates that won against labor candidates just because of their pro Palestine stance including Jeremy Corbyn who was barred to participate from Labour's platform. And many of them missed the victory by a margin of merely 500 votes. And didn't BJP failed to make the same gains as in 2019 due to embarrassing results in BJP's fort in UP. Also Yogi Adityanath is an vowed enemy of Muslims in India and BJP conceded the biggest ground from there as besides Muslims, Dalits also went against them as you yourself conceded.

https://www.thehindu.com/elections/...he-wind-vane-of-the-state/article68252487.ece

*And on point of catchy phrases rather than development, it is clear instead of running the electoral campaign on its economic success what did BJP did?? Invaders, Mangal Suttar stealers, No reservations, fight between Ram and Non ram forces as Yogi Adityanath said. Terming Congress manifesto as Muslim League manifesto what all of this fetched BJP a truncated majority and a big blow to 400 par while as mentioned the majority of exit polls in 2024 predicted a simple majority for BJP alone let alone NDA alliance.

Also please quote the figures or facts where you above claimed that BJP lost because their voters didn't turn up. Lol... I quoted you all the facts, figures and sources. So now please either do the same or refrain from subjective tropes as they just derail the threads. Thanks

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

I wondered why Modi chose to campaign based on bigotry rather than infrastructure improvements.

Perhaps this is the reason.

Were you listening to ALL OF "Modi ji's Divya vachan" . True Bhakti!! "

 

[Romali_rotti]

India is unwilling to learn, so there's no point in trying to teach them.

Probably a good thing to not learn from Pakistanis...

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

India is unwilling to learn, so there's no point in trying to teach them.

Is there any former PM of Pakistan there who hasn't visited prison after losing power or simply got executed or assassinated?
Naah, we are good from learning such lessons!

 

[Red-Indian]

Were you listening to ALL OF "Modi ji's Divya vachan" . True Bhakti!! "

It's tough to draw lessons when a disorganised, disunited ruling party lead by a wet rag of a leader and has run out of ideas after 15 years in power loses an election.

However, if I had to tease out a lesson, it would be on the inevitability of anti-incumbency. You can be charismatic, cunning, strategic etc. but eventually the combination of limited resources - especially in a developing country and tall promises catches up with you. Democracy too often forces you to make commitments and sell dreams you can't deliver and ultimately the bill comes due. Even if the opposition is more or less promising the same stuff and is equally unlikely to deliver, people will start to buy what they're selling.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

It's tough to draw lessons when a disorganised, disunited ruling party lead by a wet rag of a leader and has run out of ideas after 15 years in power loses an election.

However, if I had to tease out a lesson, it would be on the inevitability of anti-incumbency. You can be charismatic, cunning, strategic etc. but eventually the combination of limited resources - especially in a developing country and tall promises catches up with you. Democracy too often forces you to make commitments and sell dreams you can't deliver and ultimately the bill comes due. Even if the opposition is more or less promising the same stuff and is equally unlikely to deliver, people will start to buy what they're selling.

I think, Brexit lesson has finally come home for the Tories. Covid just extended their stay in power a bit. But the sad part is no one knows what the solution to the ultimate Britsh mess can be. Starmer sounds a stable nuanced guy (have just read and heard him for a few minutes only) but can he effect positive change. That might not be the case and with impending Trump in white house, UK will not have many friends.

 

[Red-Indian]

I think, Brexit lesson has finally come home for the Tories. Covid just extended their stay in power a bit. But the sad part is no one knows what the solution to the ultimate Britsh mess can be. Starmer sounds a stable nuanced guy (have just read and heard him for a few minutes only) but can he effect positive change. That might not be the case and with impending Trump in white house, UK will not have many friends.

Brexit or not, Britain suffers from the same malaise most of Europe does - under-productivity, over-regulation, over-taxation.

If there's one positive from Brexit though, it is that it's given Britain an opportunity to position itself as an alternative to Europe that offers everything Europe does but without the pains that it imposes. It'll require vision to identify the changes needed and the ability to sell them.

Don't know if Starmer is the guy to do it but he atleast comes with a strong mandate.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

It's tough to draw lessons when a disorganised, disunited ruling party lead by a wet rag of a leader and has run out of ideas after 15 years in power loses an election.

However, if I had to tease out a lesson, it would be on the inevitability of anti-incumbency. You can be charismatic, cunning, strategic etc. but eventually the combination of limited resources - especially in a developing country and tall promises catches up with you. Democracy too often forces you to make commitments and sell dreams you can't deliver and ultimately the bill comes due. Even if the opposition is more or less promising the same stuff and is equally unlikely to deliver, people will start to buy what they're selling.

There are no lessons to be drawn by India here at all.

You guys should be proud of your democratic process overall.

However from an outsider perspective there is a real sense of a cult around Modi. It's normal in subcontinent for people to rally around a dynastic family or a figurehead. In Asia there is almost a presidential style for elections where you really are voting for the main figurehead of the party.

If I was to tease a lesson out of this in addition to yours...it would be to have a back up plan in place if your charismatic leader ( in the case of UK this was strangely Boris) is no longer around.

The UK failed to have someone that could continue the momentum. India doesn't seem to have any stand out candidates post Modi either. It may be time to bring someone else into foreground now before the old man pops his clogs.

 

[Red-Indian]

There are no lessons to be drawn by India here at all.

You guys should be proud of your democratic process overall.

However from an outsider perspective there is a real sense of a cult around Modi. It's normal in subcontinent for people to rally around a dynastic family or a figurehead. In Asia there is almost a presidential style for elections where you really are voting for the main figurehead of the party.

If I was to tease a lesson out of this in addition to yours...it would be to have a back up plan in place if your charismatic leader ( in the case of UK this was strangely Boris) is no longer around.

The UK failed to have someone that could continue the momentum. India doesn't seem to have any stand out candidates post Modi either. It may be time to bring someone else into foreground now before the old man pops his clogs.

The next election is going to be a real sensitive period for India. Modi's charisma notwithstanding, it'll be tough to continue selling the India growth story. India is a massive elephant of an economy and it'll take years for all the small towns and villages to see the same impact that the glitzy cities are seeing.

Especially if Modi decides not to try for a record fourth term ( he'll be close to 80), we could easily see the Muslim baiting and Hindu nationalism voices within the BJP get really shrill as an election gambit. They will try not to leave any space on the right for a Nigel Farage equivalent to emerge. That election could seriously damage Indian civil society.

 

[Statpadder Inc]

Brexit or not, Britain suffers from the same malaise most of Europe does - under-productivity, over-regulation, over-taxation.

Sounding like Reagan there

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

There are no lessons to be drawn by India here at all.

You guys should be proud of your democratic process overall.

However from an outsider perspective there is a real sense of a cult around Modi. It's normal in subcontinent for people to rally around a dynastic family or a figurehead. In Asia there is almost a presidential style for elections where you really are voting for the main figurehead of the party.

If I was to tease a lesson out of this in addition to yours...it would be to have a back up plan in place if your charismatic leader ( in the case of UK this was strangely Boris) is no longer around.

The UK failed to have someone that could continue the momentum. India doesn't seem to have any stand out candidates post Modi either. It may be time to bring someone else into foreground now before the old man pops his clogs.

This makes most sense.
I dont think India has a presidential style election, there are too many variables at play. Modi has been the most powerful PM since Indira Gandhi that's true, but it cant be equated to having a presidential elections. For that you need to have a strong opponent, which we sadly lack.
But British politics is very unique that their internal party squabble play out so publicly, I haven't seen something like that happen in other democracies we follow. British PM is the weakest leadership position in any of the major nations we see.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

The next election is going to be a real sensitive period for India. Modi's charisma notwithstanding, it'll be tough to continue selling the India growth story. India is a massive elephant of an economy and it'll take years for all the small towns and villages to see the same impact that the glitzy cities are seeing.

Especially if Modi decides not to try for a record fourth term ( he'll be close to 80), we could easily see the Muslim baiting and Hindu nationalism voices within the BJP get really shrill as an election gambit. They will try not to leave any space on the right for a Nigel Farage equivalent to emerge. That election could seriously damage Indian civil society.

By the point surely the jig will be up.

The racist elements of the Tories tried to do the same baiting here but failed because the public said hold up...you guys have been in power for 14 years why didn't you do anything.

They tried to blame Europe, left wing establishment, the human rights convention and the United Nations.

The public didn't buy it.

Buy the time of the next Indian election if Modi plays the same game surely many people will turn around ask him - what the hell have you been doing for all this time?

 

[Red-Indian]

Sounding like Reagan there

Can't help it. I am fiscally conservative and socially liberal and that's the way my politics lean.

 

[Red-Indian]

By the point surely the jig will be up.

The racist elements of the Tories tried to do the same baiting here but failed because the public said hold up...you guys have been in power for 14 years why didn't you do anything.

They tried to blame Europe, left wing establishment, the human rights convention and the United Nations.

The public didn't buy it.

Buy the time of the next Indian election if Modi plays the same game surely many people will turn around ask him - what the hell have you been doing for all this time?

Possibly. Modi's government whatever it's faults, has done a lot of great work in foreign relations, infrastructure, direct benefit transfers etc. However given the constraint of promises vs resources, I too doubt any party can win 4 terms in today's India.

However, the very act of trying to win that next term with a religious card in what is still essentially a chauvinistic, intolerant and religiously delicate country like India could cause a lot of damage.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Why are posters arguing about Indian elections in a UK elections thread?

Indian elections are done and dusted and Modi will be at the helm for 5 more years. Move on people.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Thanks for proving my point that Indian exit polls have been predicting wrong results since forever. Hence your media needs to learn something from UK elections where they got it right. Also your argument that India's complex society is the reason behind this fallacy is also wrong.

As US is a much more complex society than yours but still besides 2016,majority of the time their exit polls are right too. Just for reference they have Hispanics, Asian, Non Anglo Saxon white voters, White Protestants, Catholics, Christian evangelists, Orthodox Jews, Zionist jews, Muslims, People of color, People of different gender including Transgender groups, People of North, People of Southern states, People of Western Coast, People of Eastern Coast, College graduates, Drop outs etc... But still managed to predict almost accurate exit polls. Hence a lesson for your media to learn.

US has more complex society than India? LOL

India has over 2000 ethnic groups and over 1000 languages. Add caste and socio economic conditions and it becomes an N dimensional complex society.

For the accuracy of exit polls there are two factors. The population size and the population diversity. UK has a very small population and population diversity compared to India, so it is much easier to get the representative sample right. Simple demographic makes for easier analysis. Weighing and interpreting data of complex societies is more error prone. This is basic statistics.

The exit polls of UK/US CANNOT be compared with that of India. The difference is of the scale of basic arithmetic and calculus.

 

[Technics 1210]

India has nothing to learn.

If we believe the myth that India had a 5000 year head start and was the richest country in the world before the influence of Islam and the British, then it is obvious - without Islam and British, India would not be on the map cos they couldn't think for themselves before becoming subservient to Muslims and British.

This is why India is only recognisable today thanks to the British and Muslims, and since independence, there is one thing on the the mind of the "liberal and independent" Indian - retribution!

India can never stand on its own 2 feet because it lacks an identity and psyche to rise above the rest. Still relying on foreign aid, foreign investments, and of course, foreign language.

If anything, India should learn from Weimar Germany and Nazism cos Islam and the British have taught them enough.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Possibly. Modi's government whatever it's faults, has done a lot of great work in foreign relations, infrastructure, direct benefit transfers etc. However given the constraint of promises vs resources, I too doubt any party can win 4 terms in today's India.

However, the very act of trying to win that next term with a religious card in what is still essentially a chauvinistic, intolerant and religiously delicate country like India could cause a lot of damage.

Actually if BJP had won this election by a landslide, a 4th term would have been difficult. But a reduced majority now means BJP has headroom to grow.

Since 2011 Congress hasn't been able to retain a state. Neither has SP ever retained UP. So any Congess vs BJP or BJP vs SP battle in 2027 and 2029 may fall towards the BJP.

BJP has a uphill task in Bengal. Unless they apply Article 355 or 356 it will be difficult for them to stop TMC from using state machinery to rig votes and using violence to scare BJP voters. Only thing is none of the opposition parties like TMC.

Maharashtra and Rajasthan are the next two big states.

BJP will likely lose Rajasthan next time because of their stupidity of installing a non Rajput novice as CM. It also cost them Rajput votes in UP.

Maharashtra will be close. A lot will depend on the monsoon. A good monsoon may help BJP get seats in Vidarbha and Marathwada.

Haryana BJP will lose. The non Jatt vote bank of BJP will give them large number of seats but congress jjp alliance will beat them.

BJP is likely to win Jharkhand and Telengana.

Rahul Gandhi has already started his anti hindu tirade and so has a number of opposition parties. BJP will use this to the fullest. They believe winning 99 seats is a victory. This after 10 years of Modi. Covid. And a sustained ecosystem attack.


The RSS BJP meeting after elections mean BJP will go back to core hindutva politics. The attempt by BJP to get pasmanda muslim votes have failed. Only Shias voted BJP.

The RSS cadre is likely to get on the ground and do BJP's work like earlier.

If BJP loses 2029, expect a couple of years of coalition like 90s before BJP get back to power.

Right now BJP has larger geographical expanse than any party. They are attempting to be in government or be the primary opposition in every state.

They have mostly succeded. Punjab TN and Kerala remains, though their vote share is going up in these places as well.

So 2029 may be difficult but far from impossible.

 

[Itachi]

"USA has more complex society than India..... " It will make anyone laugh which has even basic knowledge of societal structures and can differentiate between the two societies.

One should realize that even western sociologist and anthropologist gave up on explaining India since they realized how the system is convoluted.

 

[RexRex]

India has to be broken into more pieces if you want to govern it in a proper civilized manner, else it will forever remain a third world country.

Right now India is a democracy in name only, only the voting part is working fine .. the actual governance bit is that of a chaotic jungle raj. Judiciary has become a joke.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

India has to be broken into more pieces if you want to govern it in a proper civilized manner, else it will forever remain a third world country.

Right now India is a democracy in name only, only the voting part is working fine .. the actual governance bit is that of a chaotic jungle raj. Judiciary has become a joke.

I dont understand what magical pill of democracy people imagine when they make such generic statement.
What is your definition of this democracy you talk about and where is it actually functioning perfectly?
The first world countries like US, where a rapist and molester and a convicted fraud is going to be elected President, where the Judiciary jokes around with women rights or Japan where prime Ministers get removed every now and then and corruption is ride, or South Korea or Taiwan where we see fist fights in the parliaments as a regular occurrence.

Just a lazy statement thrown around. Thats it.