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Captain caveman said:
I can't see pak participating in the 2021 world t20 if its held exclusively in india.
If pak do go and make it to the final and the final is in mumbai, there will be riots! If bcci move the final to a different city, pak should refuse to play!
Oh, i love the drama!
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Unless something dramatic happens and Pak cricket improves substantially - I don't think there is any fear of this happening.
 
Hold on, am I missing something here? Thought CT17 was the last ever CT and ICC was scrapping it? When did this change of heart take place?
 
Excited to see 2 icc events in India .One of the best place to play cricket with excellent ground facilities and good crowd .
 
Pakistan has been appealing for sports & politics to be kept separate. Would be hypocrisy on Pakistan's part to refuse to play in India - especially when they haven't been able to host a test match at home for 10 years. Besides, Pakistan can't afford to let go of it's share of the ICC revenue.

At best, Pakistan can request for it's matches being held on relatively less hostile cities like Kolkata,Chennai or Mohali.
 
MMHS said:
Football is more polarized, trust me and FIFA is more corrupt. You are comparing it with watermelon vs mustard seed. Cricket is a niche sports even in most countries which is good in it (it total max 10-12 countries, considering WI as multiple country) and among those, to be honest only 2 country has the capability to host a stand alone WC. Football is BIG, compared to cricket it's insulting even bringing football in same post.

Still, in last 50 years (13 WCs, including 2023), cricket WC had been hosted by every Test playing nation - ENG 5 times (once shared), IND 4 (2 shared), AUS/NZ twice, WI once, SAF/ZIM once, SRL/PAK 2 (Shared, PAK should have 3 - why not, you know better), BD once shared.

Compared to that, at least 25 countries can host Soccer WC, still this is what we have got

France, Brazil, Mexico, Germany, Italy 2 each; Spain, Argentina, Chile, Uruguay, USA, SAF, JPN/SOK, Switzerland, Sweden, England once. Now, they are going to host 2018 in Russia !!!!!!!, 2022 in Qatar !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and 2026 again in USA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Next Asian WC will be hosted by China, next European WC in England, next Latin American WC again in Brazil ..... and now Gianni Infantino is planning to make 48 team WC, they'll go to 96 if required until China is confirmed qualifier!!!!

PAK cricket has many, many other things to be upset than the hosting right of IND - don't waste your energy where it doesn't earn anything. For example, if you carefully study the score cards of last rounds of QEA Super League :(), you should be wondering, why cricket is played on such wickets, let alone WC.
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I agree that Fifa is more corrupt that Icc, however your point of only 2 countries being able to host the cwc is hilarious. Who? Just India and England? You do realize Australia has actually hosted the olympics lol.. NZ and south africa have both hosted Rugby world cups which is actually a bigger sporting event than the cricket world cup.

But I do get why India gets it more.. Id have liked they be made to wait till 2027 atleast, but oh well I guess cricket needs all the $ we can get.
 
ak619 said:
Do you mean 2021 CT? Because WT20 is in 2020 and it's happening in Australia.
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I believe the 2021 champions trophy has been changed to a world t20!
The champions trophy as now, is defunct, finished and will not take place ever again!
However, icc have a habit of changing their minds!
The 2021 world t20 is to be held in india, as is the 2023 wc!
 
I think Pakistan should forget about these two tournaments.there is no way current government is giving visa to Pakistani players.their whole idea is to isolate Pakistan and this is a perfect opportunity for them to do so to hurt Pakistan where it matters the most....their cricket. There will be lot of political rumblings that we cannot provide security... yada yada. Question is will any other country support PCB....and boycott World Cup when that happens
 
nandanraj said:
I think Pakistan should forget about these two tournaments.there is no way current government is giving visa to Pakistani players.their whole idea is to isolate Pakistan and this is a perfect opportunity for them to do so to hurt Pakistan where it matters the most....their cricket. There will be lot of political rumblings that we cannot provide security... yada yada. Question is will any other country support PCB....and boycott World Cup when that happens
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There is money involved. Things will magically change.
 
Captain caveman said:
Yes, you are probably right!
But be assured pak will make a huge drama about whether they will attend or not, making bcci sweat and only confirming their attendance a few days before the event.
Makes for good drama.
Even more dramatic, if we win the 2020 world t20 in australia and are the champions!
Icc/bcci will be desperate for the champions to play in the event!
Will give good leverage to pcb - india play a series with us, a full and unconditional contract, with no government approval clause and a specified and agreed compensation figured, with icc also signing the deal, or we will not play in your tournament!
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You can win current World Cup,t20 world and all the series and be the no.1 team...ain’t gonna happen. I am telling you the ground reality and sentiment in India
 
nandanraj said:
I think Pakistan should forget about these two tournaments.there is no way current government is giving visa to Pakistani players.their whole idea is to isolate Pakistan and this is a perfect opportunity for them to do so to hurt Pakistan where it matters the most....their cricket. There will be lot of political rumblings that we cannot provide security... yada yada. Question is will any other country support PCB....and boycott World Cup when that happens
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India will lose these tournaments if they try to pull a stunt like that - guarranteed!
India will give visas and pak team will be based in mohali or at eden gardens.
If the final is in wankehede staduim mumbai and pak qualify for the final, it will be moved to eden gardens for security reasons.
 
MenInG said:
There is money involved. Things will magically change.
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BCCI is earning good amount of money from ipl..heck even Tamil Nadu super league made decent money because of viewership.
My point is what is PCB gonna do if this situation arises.I remember Pakistan skipped Asia Cup once in the 80’s. what will be the impact on pak cricket if they miss two global tournaments
 
Captain caveman said:
India will lose these tournaments if they try to pull a stunt like that - guarranteed!
India will give visas and pak team will be based in mohali or at eden gardens.
If the final is in wankehede staduim mumbai and pak qualify for the final, it will be moved to eden gardens for security reasons.
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Well they lost hosting of hockey and Olympic tournaments because of this. But cricket is different as BCCI runs the show. I am not sure other 8 countries want to pick a fight with BCCI.Australian cricket CEO specially flew to India a few months ago to save the series. Australia will be travelling to India during their summer season which never happened in last 40 years...this is the muscle BCCI has.
 
Apart from India, England and Australia there's no other viable country to host the tournament. South Africa, New Zealand and West Indies are there but they don't draw massive crowds. Bangladesh, yes in the future - they are slowly getting there.

Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Afghanistan. No chance.

So it makes sense to have the 50-over tournaments in the big three countries, and perhaps T20I tournaments could be rotated amongst other countries.
 
nandanraj said:
Well they lost hosting of hockey and Olympic tournaments because of this. But cricket is different as BCCI runs the show. I am not sure other 8 countries want to pick a fight with BCCI.Australian cricket CEO specially flew to India a few months ago to save the series. Australia will be travelling to India during their summer season which never happened in last 40 years...this is the muscle BCCI has.
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Yes you are absolutely right - bcci is basically running cricker with ecb and acb trying to reign them in.
But bcci is not that powerful to take such a drastic decision on global icc events!
Bcci aren't stupid nor is the goi, they wll pick their battles and this will not be one of them!
 
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nandanraj said:
Well they lost hosting of hockey and Olympic tournaments because of this. But cricket is different as BCCI runs the show. I am not sure other 8 countries want to pick a fight with BCCI.Australian cricket CEO specially flew to India a few months ago to save the series. Australia will be travelling to India during their summer season which never happened in last 40 years...this is the muscle BCCI has.
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No u r wrong. And toured in May 98 right in the middle of summer
 
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nandanraj said:
BCCI is earning good amount of money from ipl..heck even Tamil Nadu super league made decent money because of viewership.
My point is what is PCB gonna do if this situation arises.I remember Pakistan skipped Asia Cup once in the 80’s. what will be the impact on pak cricket if they miss two global tournaments
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Dont worry about us - our cricket has survived worst situations.
 
Energy said:
Apart from India, England and Australia there's no other viable country to host the tournament. South Africa, New Zealand and West Indies are there but they don't draw massive crowds. Bangladesh, yes in the future - they are slowly getting there.

Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Afghanistan. No chance.

So it makes sense to have the 50-over tournaments in the big three countries, and perhaps T20I tournaments could be rotated amongst other countries.
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I said this in another thread!
Theres only 3 countries thar can hold icc tournaments - india, australia or england!
Yes the final and some games can be held in neighbouring countries but the bulk of the matches will be held in india, australia or england.
E.g. Nz can hold final and NZ games but the bulk of the games will be in australia.
Same with SL/bangladesh with bulk of the games in india.
WI time difference, for the subcontinent , makes it ul a unattractive choice.
That only leaves SA.
How much SA wants to hold these events, i don't know?
And the big 3 reluctance in giving SA the chance to hold these events, because they want the money all for themselves, means SA will not be given these events very often.
As you see not much choice availabe, thats what happens when you only have 9 countries playing a sport at the highest level!
 
nandanraj said:
I think Pakistan should forget about these two tournaments.there is no way current government is giving visa to Pakistani players.their whole idea is to isolate Pakistan and this is a perfect opportunity for them to do so to hurt Pakistan where it matters the most....their cricket. There will be lot of political rumblings that we cannot provide security... yada yada. Question is will any other country support PCB....and boycott World Cup when that happens
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Pakistan team will get the visas. You can mark this post.
 
nandanraj said:
BCCI is earning good amount of money from ipl..heck even Tamil Nadu super league made decent money because of viewership.
My point is what is PCB gonna do if this situation arises.I remember Pakistan skipped Asia Cup once in the 80’s. what will be the impact on pak cricket if they miss two global tournaments
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If India tries top pull such nonsense like not giving visas to Pakistan players, the tournament will be moved out of India.

Coming from an Indian.
 
MenInG said:
There is money involved. Things will magically change.
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Its a world cup and hence Pakistan team will get the visas. Thats 100% guaranteed.

Its not about money. 5 years of IPL Tv rights are worth 2.5bn, while entire ICC revenue from 2015 to 2023 is less than that.

Its about holding the tournament. It will be the last WCs of the likes of Kohli,Rohit etc.
 
Sidilicious said:
If India tries top pull such nonsense like not giving visas to Pakistan players, the tournament will be moved out of India.

Coming from an Indian.
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The tournament wont go anywhere. Suppose the tournament is moved by ICC and Indian team refuses to play, then what?

But unless there is a war, pakistan team will get visas as ICC will be their visa sponsors.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Its a world cup and hence Pakistan team will get the visas. Thats 100% guaranteed.

Its not about money. 5 years of IPL Tv rights are worth 2.5bn, while entire ICC revenue from 2015 to 2023 is less than that.

Its about holding the tournament. It will be the last WCs of the likes of Kohli,Rohit etc.
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It will impact our image so badly if we try and stop Pakistanis from getting a visa. No one will be stupid enough to do that.

I don't know what these think when they type nonsense like Pakistan will not get a visa etc.
 
cricketjoshila said:
The tournament wont go anywhere. Suppose the tournament is moved by ICC and Indian team refuses to play, then what?

But unless there is a war, pakistan team will get visas as ICC will be their visa sponsors.
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If India refuses to give visa Pakistan without any reason (like war etc), then no cricket board will support holding the tournament in India.

But as you said, it will not happen.
 
Captain caveman said:
Yes, you are probably right!
But be assured pak will make a huge drama about whether they will attend or not, making bcci sweat and only confirming their attendance a few days before the event.
Makes for good drama.
Even more dramatic, if we win the 2020 world t20 in australia and are the champions!
Icc/bcci will be desperate for the champions to play in the event!
Will give good leverage to pcb - india play a series with us, a full and unconditional contract, with no government approval clause and a specified and agreed compensation figured, with icc also signing the deal, or we will not play in your tournament!
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If pcb doesnot participate, ICC will withold PCB's share of money. Further penalties will follow.
 
Someone had to TRY glorifying IPL. Tamasha league here. ICC events are miles better. Don’t even compare IPL, any leagues to the WC. I didn’t watch a single match live last few IPLs. It’s good for what it serves, just entertainment for Indian cricket craze fans. But the world follows WC.

PS.
I only watched IPL because of Shakib and Fizz. Lost interest ages ago. Hope no BD players except Shakib ever play it. Fizz got injured in IPL and took ages to recover.
 
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cricketjoshila said:
Why dont you google?

ICC total revenues are estimated to be $2.5bn from 2015 to 2023. IPL Tv rights from 2018 to 2022 sold gor $2.55bn.

These figures are in public domain.
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No, ICC’s revenue is less than that of IPL, not equal.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Why dont you google?

ICC total revenues are estimated to be $2.5bn from 2015 to 2023. IPL Tv rights from 2018 to 2022 sold gor $2.55bn.

These figures are in public domain.
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Truth will not fit the agenda..living in
La la land whereas ipl has surged ahead in terms of leagues money.Facebook could not win the bidding rights and there was a big discussion in Bloomberg USA about how such a big tech giant of ours could not win a bid.thats the level where bcci and Indian cricket is at
 
Hitman said:
No, ICC’s revenue is less than that of IPL, not equal.
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Total revenues of IPL are much more than ICC.

But even IPL's 5yr TV rights are worth about $2.55bn. Which is slightly more than ICC's entire 8 year revenue estimate of $2.50bn from 2015 to 2023.
 
Good news for me personally.I hope pakistan's most of matches will be held in mohali.I will definitely support them there.I did watch their matches in mohali in 2016.
 
It’s time BCCI should start 6 team ODI club tournament too, probably in Sep/Oct. That will suck some India funds right now going to ingrate ICC.
 
[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] Realised I replied to the wrong post but the ICCs TV rights deal is going to be $2m over those 8 years. You don't seriously think they're only going to make $500mn in other revenue over the 8 year period?
 
Hasan2K8 said:
Someone had to TRY glorifying IPL. Tamasha league here. ICC events are miles better. Don’t even compare IPL, any leagues to the WC. I didn’t watch a single match live last few IPLs. It’s good for what it serves, just entertainment for Indian cricket craze fans. But the world follows WC.

PS.
I only watched IPL because of Shakib and Fizz. Lost interest ages ago. Hope no BD players except Shakib ever play it. Fizz got injured in IPL and took ages to recover.
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So if IPL was not watched outside India, then why big corporates like Amazon, Facebook involved in IPL auction.

You please keep your logic yourself.
 
HitWicket said:
[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] Realised I replied to the wrong post but the ICCs TV rights deal is going to be $2m over those 8 years. You don't seriously think they're only going to make $500mn in other revenue over the 8 year period?
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Total ICC revenue is estimated to be $2.50bn. It was published in 2017 when the new revenue distribution model was put forth. Please google it.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Total ICC revenue is estimated to be $2.50bn. It was published in 2017 when the new revenue distribution model was put forth. Please google it.
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Can't find any official ICC report stating this revenue estimate, just news outlets showing what the revenue distribution would be IF the revenue was $2.5bn. It would also make little sense with a $2bn TV rights deal.
 
HitWicket said:
Can't find any official ICC report stating this revenue estimate, just news outlets showing what the revenue distribution would be IF the revenue was $2.5bn. It would also make little sense with a $2bn TV rights deal.
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Yes the revenue estimate of ICC is $2.5bn based on all its sponsorships plus Tv deal over 8 years. The revenue distribution is based on this estimate.

I dont know why do you think it doesnot make sense.
 
New stadiums are getting built for those events.

I can think of 2 such stadiums at the moment, one in Mangalguri(Andhra) and the other is in Ahmedabad(Gujarat) with a very big seating capacity.
 
nandanraj said:
I think Pakistan should forget about these two tournaments.there is no way current government is giving visa to Pakistani players.their whole idea is to isolate Pakistan and this is a perfect opportunity for them to do so to hurt Pakistan where it matters the most....their cricket. There will be lot of political rumblings that we cannot provide security... yada yada. Question is will any other country support PCB....and boycott World Cup when that happens
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Rejecting visas will be the best thing to happen for us in long time. In this case, we will play our matches in dubai/karachi/lahore. That's what PCB would ideally want.
 
Surya Kiran said:
New stadiums are getting built for those events.

I can think of 2 such stadiums at the moment, one in Mangalguri(Andhra) and the other is in Ahmedabad(Gujarat) with a very big seating capacity.
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Perfect time for India to build stadium in Kashmir & host Pakistan's matches over there to prove to whole world that Kashmir is integral part of India & Kashmiris hate Pakistan.
 
ICC changed 2023 World Cup schedule on PCB's request? Report triggers fresh debate

Though the BCCI is being targeted for the postponement of this year's T20 World Cup, it has been learned that the dates of 2023 ODI World Cup was changed by the ICC on PCB chief Ehsan Mani's request.

The International Cricket Council (ICC) announced a revised schedule of three major events – T20 World Cup 2020, T20 World Cup 2021 and ODI World Cup 2023 – recently that saw this year's showpiece event being pushed to 2022. Other than the T20 World Cup 2020, the ICC also changed the dates of 2023 ODI World Cup - which is scheduled to be held in India, a decision that reportedly took place at the request of the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) chief Ehsan Mani.

Some former Pakistani cricketers have decided to target the Board of Control for Cricket India (BCCI) after the ICC postponed this year's T20 World Cup, paving way for the Indian Premier League (IPL) Season 13 to be held around the same time. However, as per a report in The News, the 2023 World Cup was postponed to a later window the same year in order for the PCB to organise the Pakistan Super League (PSL).

As per the original schedule, the 2023 World Cup was supposed to be held in February-March, which is when Pakistan also look to organise the PSL. According to the news report, Mani pulled some strings before the ICC meeting took place and convinced the apex board to shift the ODI World Cup to a later window that year.

“This means that now the international window in Feb-March is free for the next three years. That’s the window PCB had always chosen to hold the PSL,” a source told The News, Pakistan.

“The PCB chairman garnered support from various ICC Board members to ensure that there is a proper window available for the PSL on the international calendar,” he added.

Because of the schedule changes, Pakistan can host the PSL in Feb-March window for the next three years which will help them fetch lucrative sponsorships deals.

“The Board may not be on the brink of bankruptcy but it is going to face the crunch unless it manages substantial media and commercial rights deals. The fact that PSL has a window available for 2021, 2022 and 2023 editions means that PCB is now in a much better position to sell the rights,” the source asserted.

https://www.timesnownews.com/sports...date-psl-on-ehsan-manis-request-report/625791
 
The Viper said:
ICC changed 2023 World Cup schedule on PCB's request? Report triggers fresh debate

Though the BCCI is being targeted for the postponement of this year's T20 World Cup, it has been learned that the dates of 2023 ODI World Cup was changed by the ICC on PCB chief Ehsan Mani's request.

The International Cricket Council (ICC) announced a revised schedule of three major events – T20 World Cup 2020, T20 World Cup 2021 and ODI World Cup 2023 – recently that saw this year's showpiece event being pushed to 2022. Other than the T20 World Cup 2020, the ICC also changed the dates of 2023 ODI World Cup - which is scheduled to be held in India, a decision that reportedly took place at the request of the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) chief Ehsan Mani.

Some former Pakistani cricketers have decided to target the Board of Control for Cricket India (BCCI) after the ICC postponed this year's T20 World Cup, paving way for the Indian Premier League (IPL) Season 13 to be held around the same time. However, as per a report in The News, the 2023 World Cup was postponed to a later window the same year in order for the PCB to organise the Pakistan Super League (PSL).

As per the original schedule, the 2023 World Cup was supposed to be held in February-March, which is when Pakistan also look to organise the PSL. According to the news report, Mani pulled some strings before the ICC meeting took place and convinced the apex board to shift the ODI World Cup to a later window that year.

“This means that now the international window in Feb-March is free for the next three years. That’s the window PCB had always chosen to hold the PSL,” a source told The News, Pakistan.

“The PCB chairman garnered support from various ICC Board members to ensure that there is a proper window available for the PSL on the international calendar,” he added.

Because of the schedule changes, Pakistan can host the PSL in Feb-March window for the next three years which will help them fetch lucrative sponsorships deals.

“The Board may not be on the brink of bankruptcy but it is going to face the crunch unless it manages substantial media and commercial rights deals. The fact that PSL has a window available for 2021, 2022 and 2023 editions means that PCB is now in a much better position to sell the rights,” the source asserted.

https://www.timesnownews.com/sports...date-psl-on-ehsan-manis-request-report/625791
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The 2023 WC was moved because it would have meant two icc tournaments in 6 months or even less.

It gives bcci protection from viewer fatigue during 2023 IPL.

If Bcci agrees to host the 2022 T20 WC then, it would mean 3 major cricket tournaments in India in 6 to 8 months. Makes poor business sense.

This entire episode was controlled by Bcci and to the T.
 
I wonder if there will be packed crowds attending even Indian matches specially knowing how the Indian economy situation was before the pandemic and imagine how worse it would be in the coming year of 2021 because of pandemic lock downs India had
 
So are we learning anything from IPL? Why are we playing a PSL before the World Cup?
 
Incidentally, this will be the first world cup to be played in the October-November window since 1987. It would clash with the rugby world cup too, which might impact interest in the UK, South Africa, and New Zealand.
 
cricketjoshila said:
The 2023 WC was moved because it would have meant two icc tournaments in 6 months or even less.

It gives bcci protection from viewer fatigue during 2023 IPL.

If Bcci agrees to host the 2022 T20 WC then, it would mean 3 major cricket tournaments in India in 6 to 8 months. Makes poor business sense.

This entire episode was controlled by Bcci and to the T.
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Viewer fatigue lol? Did BCCI not think about it when they scheduled this year's IPL? Because they are again going to play another IPL within next 6 months.

And I like how you are giving credit to BCCI for this because you can't see/digest PCB manipulating and forcing ICC like this lol? :inti
 
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