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India tour of South Africa 2018

This is a great chance for Indian team to create history, the form they have been in albeit at home hopefully carries on in SA and we can win the test series over there.. If Kohli continues his dominant form he will be well on his way of becoming the GOAT... Let’s hope for a close fought series ideally would have preferred a 1 month training camp in SA like Pakistan did before England series but oh well..
 
What about Pakistan in NZ - you think we have a chance or it’s a reality check?

It may or may not be, but a reality check is coming...soon. Our fans deserve it for their arrogance and delusion - their heads are in the clouds these days.
 
With the garbage slip catching. i have not much hopes. if only we field well. we wud have chance.
 
Surprised kuldeep wasn't selected and surprised Bumrah was. Will be a challenge for him to bowl long spells if he does play.

Indian side is settled dilemmas is Ashwin or Jadeja and who is the 3rd seamer. Doubt we'll see a pitch where 2 spinners is an opition. I'll go with Ashwin over Jadeja.
 
Bumrah doesn't have the qualities an international test bowler should have, as far as I have seen he doesn't even swing the ball a centimeter.
 
Surprised kuldeep wasn't selected and surprised Bumrah was. Will be a challenge for him to bowl long spells if he does play.

Indian side is settled dilemmas is Ashwin or Jadeja and who is the 3rd seamer. Doubt we'll see a pitch where 2 spinners is an opition. I'll go with Ashwin over Jadeja.

Don't think bowling long spells is new for Bumrah. He has bowled some marathon spells for Gujarat.
 
So:

Tests: 2-1 India

ODIs: 4-2 SA

T20I: 2-1 SA

If this happens, we Indians will be over the moon celebrating by lifting Mamoon bhai on our shoulders.

:P

Tests: 2-0 SA

ODIs: 5-1 SA

T20I: 2-1 India


We had a chance in the tests but that is now gone due a combination of poor selections (Dhawan as the opener lol), Kohli's insistence to field in the slips and no proper warmup games.
 
Kumar, Shami, Sharma and Yadav all have bowling averages over 30. However, the same is true of Pakistani and Sri Lankan pacers of today. Not the best era to be an Asian pace bowler.
 
Kumar, Shami, Sharma and Yadav all have bowling averages over 30. However, the same is true of Pakistani and Sri Lankan pacers of today. Not the best era to be an Asian pace bowler.

Bhuvi has an average of 27 and Shami is a smidgen above 30. Both are excellent in the test format and this is despite India having the worst slip fielders in modern times.
 
Don't think bowling long spells is new for Bumrah. He has bowled some marathon spells for Gujarat.
That was a year back & hasn't played in FC for about a year, that's why dropping Kuldeep was :69:
 
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Surprised kuldeep wasn't selected and surprised Bumrah was. Will be a challenge for him to bowl long spells if he does play.

Indian side is settled dilemmas is Ashwin or Jadeja and who is the 3rd seamer. Doubt we'll see a pitch where 2 spinners is an opition. I'll go with Ashwin over Jadeja.

What will be your playing XI?!
 
I think most likely XI for first test would be

Vijay
Dhawan
Pujara
Kohli
Rahane
Saha
Pandya
Ashwin
Kumar
Shami
Ishant
 
Ashwin is a much improved bowler and will be pretty effective. If he can't take wickets, he will at least create pressure from one end and won't get an 80+ average phainta

Dhawan on the other hand.

Jadeja creates pressure much better and as a left-arm spinner will be a tougher proposition for the South Africans. He also has a five-for in South Africa and is not simply relying on his "much improved" performances on home pitches as his whole case.

Also a much, much better fielder and bowls his overs quickly, something that should not be overlooked when you have an attack with four pace bowlers and are facing attacking batsmen like Amla, de Villiers and De Kock.
 
I'm not sure, Rahul may or may not do well looking at the form he is in.
With Dhawan it is a gamble always but if he gets in he will score pretty quickly.
What's wrong with his form, scored 5 or 6 fifties vs Aus & 2 or 3 vs SL in SL. Dhawan on the other hand did well against SL in SL but they;re hardly a barometer for anything, he failed twice in two tests here & is playing for his spot right now, hence the low S/R.
Surely his fielding gives him the edge as well as their respective records in the country.
Yes but we'll see if his non existent batting, in the last one year, gives him an edge or what!
 
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That was a year back & hasn't played in FC for about a year, that's why dropping Kuldeep was :69:

How can he play FC when he is a regular LOI starter?

And we are not playing 2 spinners in SA let alone 3. So we need 2 backup pacers for the 4 that will be playing. Don't want England 14 to happen again when our main bowlers were fatigued and we lost 3 tests after going up 1-0 in first two tests.
 
People getting outraged over Kuldeep missing out when there was a 95% probability that he won't be picked for this SA tour.

He will be in the reckoning for the Eng/Aus tours depending on how we perform here.
 
How can he play FC when he is a regular LOI starter?

And we are not playing 2 spinners in SA let alone 3. So we need 2 backup pacers for the 4 that will be playing. Don't want England 14 to happen again when our main bowlers were fatigued and we lost 3 tests after going up 1-0 in first two tests.
We have enough bowlers in the squad, even pacers, & I doubt we'll overbowl them unless we play on 3 green tracks with 4 pacers in each game. Bumrah should be the backup of a backup, Umesh probably, at best. Kuldeep was a good choice if we needed a spinner on a really flat track, like Joberg on last tour day 5, I don;t see Ashwin bowling teams out on a similar surface in the first innings & there Kuldeep could be crucial, not unlike Dharamshala.
 
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We have enough bowlers in the squad, even pacers, & I doubt we'll overbowl them unless we play on 3 green tracks with 4 pacers in each game. Bumrah should be the backup of a backup, Umesh probably, at best. Kuldeep was a good choice if we needed a spinner on a really flat track, like Joberg on last tour day 5, I don;t see Ashwin bowling teams out on a similar surface in the first innings & there Kuldeep could be crucial, not unlike Dharamshala.

We will play 4 seamers including the all rounder. Kholi is not the "let's draw it dhoni".

Kuldeep is and will be third choice for now and other 2 are all rounders even if Ashwin can't put bat to ball last few matches.
 
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that India will win the Test series. For the first time, I see a good fast bowling unit that has the capability to knock the opposition out. The key will be Shami. If he's fully fit and bowling at 140+, India have a great chance. South Africa on the other hand should go for green pitches to nullify India's batting.
 
We will play 4 seamers including the all rounder. Kholi is not the "let's draw it dhoni".

Kuldeep is and will be third choice for now and other 2 are all rounders even if Ashwin can't put bat to ball last few matches.
Then we aren;t actually playing the 5 best bowlers are we? OR do you think Pandya will not be an automatic pick? I'd back Ashwin/Jadeja with the bat on a flat track, on the same pitch I'd prefer Kuldeep bowling over both of them. On a green seamer Kohli doesn't seem to have faith in either but I guess we'll play the extra batter.
 
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that India will win the Test series. For the first time, I see a good fast bowling unit that has the capability to knock the opposition out. The key will be Shami. If he's fully fit and bowling at 140+, India have a great chance. South Africa on the other hand should go for green pitches to nullify India's batting.
Have Clarified butter & Sugar in your mouth :19:
 
Then we aren;t actually playing the 5 best bowlers are we? OR do you think Pandya will not be an automatic pick? I'd back Ashwin/Jadeja with the bat on a flat track, on the same pitch I'd prefer Kuldeep bowling over both of them. On a green seamer Kohli doesn't seem to have faith in either but I guess we'll play the extra batter.

We should be playing 11 best possible players. Kuldeep is young and is yet to play outside. Don't go assuming that he will outwit SA batter just cause he is a wrist spinner. Just check his record on green pitches in Ranji. He iha blown hot and cold as it expected.

If some pitch is exceptionally green then we can go with 6 batters and 3+1 bowlers. But I doubt they will take the risk of evening out the the advantage they have over our pacers.

If we have to depend upon spinners to make inroads in SA then we might as well surrender now.
 
We should be playing 11 best possible players. Kuldeep is young and is yet to play outside. Don't go assuming that he will outwit SA batter just cause he is a wrist spinner. Just check his record on green pitches in Ranji. He iha blown hot and cold as it expected.

If some pitch is exceptionally green then we can go with 6 batters and 3+1 bowlers. But I doubt they will take the risk of evening out the the advantage they have over our pacers.

If we have to depend upon spinners to make inroads in SA then we might as well surrender now.
And we;ve seen Ashwin/Jadeja fail in SA/Aus/Eng/NZ although we were facing better, in form, opponents then.

The best track record in SA was of a team who's key linchpin was a wrist spinner, heck Aus beat SA with Bevan bowling them to a victory in 97/98 IIRC. Pacers don;t have to win you games, if they can keep it tight the spinner will get his wickets, the best spinners on SA/Aus tracks have always been wrist spinners.
 
And we;ve seen Ashwin/Jadeja fail in SA/Aus/Eng/NZ although we were facing better, in form, opponents then.

The best track record in SA was of a team who's key linchpin was a wrist spinner, heck Aus beat SA with Bevan bowling them to a victory in 97/98 IIRC. Pacers don;t have to win you games, if they can keep it tight the spinner will get his wickets, the best spinners on SA/Aus tracks have always been wrist spinners.

And they may well fail again. Team's success will depend upon our main fast bowlers. But let's agree to disagree about Kuldeep's non selection.
 
KL
Vijay
Pujara
Kohli
Rahane
Pandaya
Saha
Ashwin
Shami
Yadav
Ishant/Bhuvi

Rahane is in pathetic form. He does not merit a spot. But he is VC. So he plays.

Expecting a green pitch. So below should be ideal.

Rahul
Vijay
Pujara
Kohli
Rahane
Pandya
Ashwin
Saha
BK
Shami
Ishant/Yadav
 
Rahane is in pathetic form. He does not merit a spot. But he is VC. So he plays.

Expecting a green pitch. So below should be ideal.

Rahul
Vijay
Pujara
Kohli
Rahane
Pandya
Ashwin
Saha
BK
Shami
Ishant/Yadav

Battingwise there is nothing after Kohli. :-(
 
Not a bad squad.

  • Kuldeep's exclusion is debatable. Which spinner do you drop for Him. Both ash and Jaddu have reasonable batting, which we need when we are playing 4 pacers or 3 + Hardik
  • Rahane vs Rohit is an Issue, Kohli might be tempted to play both because of rahane's poor form.
  • Openers ? Dhawan ,messed up last tour. Vijay - KL would be ideal. Vijay still does a proper openers job - leave balls alone, we need atleast one opener who'll do that .
 
Battingwise there is nothing after Kohli. :-(

We all have short memories. Not too long ago, Kohli didn't buy many runs vs. Australia and now he looks in the groove. Expect Rahane to come out the same. And remember this, an in-form Rahane is a world-class player. He has taken on Steyn, Southee, Anderson and Johnson in their own backyards. Not many have.

It does look brittle after that but if the top is able to weather the storm, Pandya, Saha and Bhuvi look the sort of players that have solid characters and I expect them to contribute 65-75 each inning. We just need to be mentally strong when we face attacks away. We have a good team, no doubt.
 
Looking forward to this series as India on paper have the batting strength to compete in S.A conditions. The question is will the bowlers be able to thrive in such conditions away from the comforts of home. I can S.A just squeezing a series win here.
 
Looking forward to this series as India on paper have the batting strength to compete in S.A conditions. The question is will the bowlers be able to thrive in such conditions away from the comforts of home. I can S.A just squeezing a series win here.

SA attack if way too strong and it looks like they will play all 4 of Steyn, Morkel, Rabada and Philander.

India's best prospects are the SA batsmen under-performing and us getting juicy pitches. We will be outbowled on flatter decks.

Given the super spinning pitches we gave them when they toured, I'm hoping SA dish up real greentops.
 
Rahane is in pathetic form. He does not merit a spot. But he is VC. So he plays.

Expecting a green pitch. So below should be ideal.

Rahul
Vijay
Pujara
Kohli
Rahane
Pandya
Ashwin
Saha
BK
Shami
Ishant/Yadav

Rahane will play ,3rd seamer is dependent on conditions. If it's a green pitch, I'll go with Bhuvi
 
India cancel tour game, to head into South Africa Test series without a practice match

India’s two-day tour game ahead of their three-match Test series in South Africa has been cancelled, Cricket South Africa (CSA) said on Monday.

The Indians have instead, as per CSA, opted for training sessions on those days.

“Please be advised that the two-day warm-up match for India at Eurolux Boland Park will no longer be taking place. India have opted for training sessions on those days,” the CSA said in a release.

No official reason has been given for the cancellation of the warm-up game but the change in schedule would mean that India will head into the Test series – starting January 5 next year in Cape Town – without a practice match.

Meanwhile, in a first, young pacers Mohammed Siraj, Avesh Khan, Navdeep Saini and Basil Thampi will be travelling with the Indian team to South Africa as net bowlers, a top BCCI official told PTI.

The idea is to help the visiting batsmen prepare well for the South African fast bowlers.

The timings for the day-night ODI matches have been changed too. All the games have been advanced by half an hour.

https://thefield.scroll.in/861127/i...h-africa-test-series-without-a-practice-match
 
1) Elgar
2) Markam
3) Amla
4) ABD
5) Faf (c)
6) de Kock (wk)
7) Phelukwayo
8) Philander
9) Rabada
10) Steyn
11) Maharaj

VS

1) Vijay
2) Rahul
3) Pujara
4) Kohli (c)
5) Rahane
6) Saha (wk)
7) Pandya
8) Jadeja/Ashwin
9) Kumar
10) Shami
11) Ishant

Looks pretty even, on current form. Should be a great contest.
 
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1) Elgar
2) Markam
3) Amla
4) ABD
5) Faf (c)
6) de Kock (wk)
7) Phelukwayo
8) Philander
9) Rabada
10) Steyn
11) Maharaj

VS

1) Vijay
2) Rahul
3) Pujara
4) Kohli (c)
5) Rahane
6) Saha (wk)
7) Pandya
8) Jadeja/Ashwin
9) Kumar
10) Shami
11) Ishant

Looks pretty even, on current form. Should be a great contest.

In what world it looks even?
Ishant- Shami- Kumar looks even to Steyn- Philander- Rabada to you?

Amla-Abdv-faf-de qock vs Pujara-Kohli-Rahane-Saha is even?

Lesser teams can win so India can win but it will be a really big upset...
 
In what world it looks even?
Ishant- Shami- Kumar looks even to Steyn- Philander- Rabada to you?

Amla-Abdv-faf-de qock vs Pujara-Kohli-Rahane-Saha is even?

Lesser teams can win so India can win but it will be a really big upset...

On current form, yes. Steyn and Philander are coming back from injuries, probably not 100% and India have the better spinners. Same with the batting, ABD hasn't played tests in months, Markam is new and Faf is out of form.
 
Steyn and Philander are Coming back from injuries but even on one leg they are better than Ishant and Bhuv...

Just one spinner will play for both team, Maharaj vs Jadeja/Ashwin. I din’t See them having any impact one the results as they will go wicketless all 3 being pretty mediocre.
 
Steyn and Philander are Coming back from injuries but even on one leg they are better than Ishant and Bhuv...

Just one spinner will play for both team, Maharaj vs Jadeja/Ashwin. I din’t See them having any impact one the results as they will go wicketless all 3 being pretty mediocre.

I hope you're right.
 
Biff: 'Powerful' SA pace attack will trouble India

Cape Town - Former Proteas skipper Graeme Smith has backed South Africa's pace attack to put India's batting line-up under pressure in their upcoming three-Test series.

The Proteas will face the world's No 1-ranked Test team in the first Test at Newlands, starting on Friday, January 5.

Smith believes the Proteas will be "too powerful" for Virat Kohli's charges in their own backyard.

"I think South Africa will be very strong. With AB de Villiers coming back, their batting looks a lot stronger. The bowling too is really powerful. They have got four really outstanding experienced pacers to choose from and couple of young pacers as well," Smith told PTI.

The Proteas have a number of bowlers currently making their way back from injury, including Dale Steyn, Vernon Philander, Morne Morkel and Chris Morris.

Smith, who captained the Proteas in 117 Tests, reckons that Newlands will provide the best opportunity for India to win a Test.

"I think Cape Town will be India's best chance. Cape Town has experienced a drought. I expect the wicket to not do too much and have slow bounce and take a little bit of spin as the game goes on," he said.

"I think the big challenge for India will be scoring runs. If they can post big totals, they have a good batting line-up, then they will be able to put South Africa under pressure.

"I think it is going to be a cracking series... I think world cricket needs an exciting Test series and it is shaping up to be one of those," said Smith.

Leading up to the series, former and current India players have been vocal over India's chances to topple the South Africans.

Indian fast bowler Umesh Yadav stated that he was confident his side will be able to take all 20 Proteas wickets (in a Test), while former Indian coach Anil Kumble predicted India will "create history".

The Indians have never won a Test series in South Africa having lost five times and drawn one.

India's Test squad for South Africa:

Virat Kohli (captain), Murali Vijay, K. L. Rahul, Shikhar Dhawan, Cheteshwar Pujara, Ajinkya Rahane, Rohit Sharma, Wriddhiman Saha, Ravichandran Ashwin, Ravindra Jadeja, Parthiv Patel, Hardik Pandya, Bhuvneshwar Kumar, Mohammad Shami, Ishant Sharma, Umesh Yadav, Jasprit Bumrah

India's tour fixtures in South Africa:

January 5-9 - 1st Test, Newlands

January 13-17 - 2nd Test, Centurion

January 24-28 - 3rd Test, Wanderers

February 1 - 1st ODI, Kingsmead (D/N)

February 4 - 2nd ODI, Centurion

February 7 - 3rd ODI, Newlands (D/N)

February 10 - 4th ODI, Wanderers (D/N)

February 13 - 5th ODI, St. George's Park (D/N)

February 16 - 6th ODI, Centurion (D/N)

February 18 - 1st T20I, Wanderers

February 21 - 2nd T20I, Centurion (D/N)

February 24 - 3rd T20I, Newlands (D/N)

https://www.sport24.co.za/Cricket/Proteas/biff-powerful-sa-pace-attack-will-trouble-india-20171221
 
It's going to be a massacre where the Indian team won't know what hit them. It's very difficult to beat South Africa in South Africa and playing Sa pacers is another impossible task...
 
Suresh Raina Clears Yo-Yo Test. To be Picked For South Africa ODIs

New Delhi: Discarded middle-order batsman Suresh Raina has cleared the Yo-Yo test with an impressive score of 17.2. With this, the left-handed batsman’s comeback to the Indian team seems a possibility now.

Raina, 31, has been working hard on his fitness at the National Cricket Academy (NCA) in Bangalore and looks like it has paid off. However, it remains to be seen whether he is recalled back in the side for limited-overs or not.

Previously, it was reported that Raina along with all-rounder Yuvraj Singh failed to clear the endurance test and thus were ignored for the national duty. Meanwhile, Raina took to social media to confirm that he has cleared the test. He also thanked his trainers, coaches and officials for the support.

“Cleared my Yo-Yo & fitness test today, after days of hard work at #NCA! Received tremendous support from all the trainers, coaches & officials. Thank you all!” Raina wrote in a post.

It’s always so encouraging to train here at #NCA, motivates me to push my limits and bring the best out of me,” the left-hander added.

The Yo-Yo test has become one of the benchmarks for selection into the team India. Fitness has been the strength of the current Indian team with captain Virat Kohli leading by example.

https://in.yahoo.com/news/suresh-raina-clears-yo-yo-114447271.html
 
I prefer Raina over the likes of Jadhav and Pandey.

Raina is a proven match winner and can hit big shots. He is also a gun fielder and can bowl better than Jadhav.

He is only 31 and can easily play for another 3-4 yrs. If he is not picked now, it shows that he is not in the good books of Kohli.
 
It's going to be a massacre where the Indian team won't know what hit them. It's very difficult to beat South Africa in South Africa and playing Sa pacers is another impossible task...

Last time India toured there, Pujara and Kohli made Steyn go wicketless for most number of overs in his career till then.
 
I prefer Raina over the likes of Jadhav and Pandey.

Raina is a proven match winner and can hit big shots. He is also a gun fielder and can bowl better than Jadhav.

He is only 31 and can easily play for another 3-4 yrs. If he is not picked now, it shows that he is not in the good books of Kohli.

Me too. UVI, Raina and Dhoni should all be picked. They're proven quality and can play in the next World Cup.
 
Shami and umesh's stats looks avg in test but not to forget the slip catching and poor fielding they get from indian team. I hope they don't drop catches in overseas as one drop can cost match unlike home conditions.
 
Me too. UVI, Raina and Dhoni should all be picked. They're proven quality and can play in the next World Cup.

Raina never got chance under kohli's captaincy. Had dhoni been captain raina, ashwin and jadeja would have been in current short format side.
 
Indian ODI team is only about top 3 batsman. If they fail , then the match is as good as gone. Pretty average team.
 
Should be cracker of a series.. Hope SA pace battery is fit . want both sides to go all out.
 
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BCCI announce ODI squad for South Africa series

New Delhi: The 17-member Indian squad for the six-match one-day series in South Africa was announced by the selection committee of the Board of Control for Cricket in India on Saturday.

Virat Kohli, who was rested from the team for the limited-overs home series against Sri Lanka, will return to lead the team as skipper.

Vice-captain Rohit Sharma, Shikhar Dhawan and Ajinkya Rahane will be the three openers for the team.

Batsmen Shreyas Iyer, Manish Pandey and Dinesh Karthik retained their places, however, young KL Rahul, who has performed well in the ongoing T20I series against Sri Lanka, has not been picked.

Seamers Shardul Thakur and Mohammed Shami have been recalled in the team.

Meanwhile, Kedar Jadhav, who had missed the ODI and T20I series against Sri Lanka due to a hamstring injury in early December, has also been picked.

India has played 28 ODIs against South Africa in South Africa, won five and lost 21.

India will fly to South Africa after finishing the ongoing T20I series against Lanka.

The first ODI of the six-match series will be played on February 1.

India: Virat Kohli (captain), Rohit Sharma (vice-captain), Shikhar Dhawan, Ajinkya Rahane, Shreyas Iyer, Manish Pandey, Kedar Jadhav, Dinesh Karthik, MS Dhoni (wicketkeeper), Axar Patel, Yuzvendra Chahal, Kuldeep Yadav, Jasprit Bumrah, Bhuvneshwar Kumar, Hardik Pandya, Mohammed Shami, Shardul Thakur.

http://www.asianage.com/sports/cricket/231217/bcci-announce-odi-squad-for-south-africa-series.html
 
Rohit will most likely struggle against Steyn and Rabada with new ball first up and this side looks pretty bleak beyond top3. Bowling looks good but this team will depend on Kohli in SA in my opinion.
 
What wrong has KL Rahul done that people like Karthik, Iyer, Rahane, Jadhav and Pandey are being preferred over him ?!
 
That is pathetic not selecting KL Raul. The guy definitely deserved to be there.
 
India will never have a better chance; this is an ageing Saffer team plagued by injuries and loss of form. Rabada also looks to have lost a bit of form and sharpness and the others are getting on a bit.
 
India will never have a better chance; this is an ageing Saffer team plagued by injuries and loss of form. Rabada also looks to have lost a bit of form and sharpness and the others are getting on a bit.

Contrary Steyn and Philander have been in better condition than ever in past two years according to report. AB is coming back and they have found an excellent opener in Makran. This SA side should be much stronger than what England faced.
 
Contrary Steyn and Philander have been in better condition than ever in past two years according to report. AB is coming back and they have found an excellent opener in Makran. This SA side should be much stronger than what England faced.

They are hardly going to say that Philander and Steyn are on their last legs and even if they are physically fit, it still doesn't mean they are match fit.
 
India will never have a better chance; this is an ageing Saffer team plagued by injuries and loss of form. Rabada also looks to have lost a bit of form and sharpness and the others are getting on a bit.

Yup. Even if India somehow manage to win it will mean nothing.
 
Bumrah doesn't have the qualities an international test bowler should have, as far as I have seen he doesn't even swing the ball a centimeter.

bumrah is a seam bowler, who hit the deck hard and reverses the old ball, so he has a more chance of succeeding in the pitches like Australia,saf and England, coz the pitches are seam friendly rather than swing friendly.
 
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