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India Under-19s: Genuine fast bowlers coming through

Chief Destroyer said:
Desis don't understand just how athletic they are. It's because of the culture. The parents have the kids immersed in studies from a young age with little to no interest in sports. India's starting to develop a sports culture now, you will see more and more of this potential.
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Agreed.

I have not seen an Indian bowl like the way Nagarkoti and Mavi are bowling. In fact never.

I have been watching Indian cricket from early 90’s and have been used to watching one trundler after another bowling military medium pace gun barrel straight.
Seeing these youngsters bowling at express pace and swinging the ball is a new experience for me. Pak has produced express swing bowlers before. You may not understand my feeling.
 
troodon said:
Agreed.

I have not seen an Indian bowl like the way Nagarkoti and Mavi are bowling. In fact never.

I have been watching Indian cricket from early 90’s and have been used to watching one trundler after another bowling military medium pace gun barrel straight.
Seeing these youngsters bowling at express pace and swinging the ball is a new experience for me. Pak has produced express swing bowlers before. You may not understand my feeling.
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No, I understand. My comment was a general one.
 
The young fast bowlers with genuine pace are coming from India and Pakistan and not from Australia , SA and WI, interesting . While Indian young fastmen are really very impressive but the are not strongly built and are not tall. Pakistanis on the other hand, Shaheen and Arshad Iqbal are fast, tall and well built. Only time will tell their progress and longevity.
 
troodon said:
Nagarkoti, Mavi and Porel can form a fearsome pace trio for India in the future. They not only bowl fast, but can swing it at pace.

They are swinging the ball at over 90mph. In fact they are faster than all Indian pacers bowling in the series against SA and they are only 18.

Watching them bowl is making me think of they are really Indians. So athletic and so fast.
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Seems like you dont watch many non-cricket sports.There are much faster and atheltic folks in plenty of sports in India.For starters, just watch some highlights of Pardeep Narwal of Pro-Kabaddi.
 
Dingolfy said:
Seems like you dont watch many non-cricket sports.There are much faster and atheltic folks in plenty of sports in India.For starters, just watch some highlights of Pardeep Narwal of Pro-Kabaddi.
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Don't even need to look outside of the team. Just watch Kohli, Pandya, Dhawan and Rahul move in the field. Saha behind the stumps is also one hell of an athlete. Just watch the fluidity of their movement.
 
Proactive_ said:
Perfect time to throw a couple of million on them in the IPL auctions and turn them into circus cricket bowlers in a year or two. That's exactly what happened to Ishant Sharma who came in bowling 150+ at 18 years old troubling Ricky Ponting, immediately was picked up for an obscene amount of money in IPL 1, success got to the guy's head and his downfall was as fast as his rise.. and the Indian team has had to carry the dead weight of his unfulfilled potential for almost 80 Test matches now. There is just no fast bowling culture in India.
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You summed it up perfectly. Munaf, Irfan, RP, Sreesanth are some of the examples to support your theory.
 
troodon said:
Nagarkoti, Mavi and Porel can form a fearsome pace trio for India in the future. They not only bowl fast, but can swing it at pace.

They are swinging the ball at over 90mph. In fact they are faster than all Indian pacers bowling in the series against SA and they are only 18.

Watching them bowl is making me think of they are really Indians. So athletic and so fast.
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Don't know why people start dreaming as soon as they see few quickies. Don't you know our history of handling these super fast quickies? They can scare the batsman at this level but at intl level they will become bheegi billi.
 
Dingolfy said:
Seems like you dont watch many non-cricket sports.There are much faster and atheltic folks in plenty of sports in India.For starters, just watch some highlights of Pardeep Narwal of Pro-Kabaddi.
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So how many gold medals have we won in non cricket sports so far in Olympics? No one takes kabaddi seriously other than indians and pakistanis. Can we compete teams like New Zealand, Aus and South Africa in rugby?
 
Chief Destroyer said:
Don't even need to look outside of the team. Just watch Kohli, Pandya, Dhawan and Rahul move in the field. Saha behind the stumps is also one hell of an athlete. Just watch the fluidity of their movement.
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Every team has 3-4 athletic guys just like Pak has Shehzad, Shadab, Babar, Malik. But teams like New Zealand, South Africa have 8-9 atheltic guys in the field. That makes a lot of difference.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Every team has 3-4 athletic guys just like Pak has Shehzad, Shadab, Babar, Malik. But teams like New Zealand, South Africa have 8-9 atheltic guys in the field. That makes a lot of difference.
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They don't and how the hell did I forget about Jadeja, lmao. We can compare man to man if you want. There's more on the Indian squad but I only named the best ones to highlight their prowess.
 
troodon said:
Agreed.

I have not seen an Indian bowl like the way Nagarkoti and Mavi are bowling. In fact never.

I have been watching Indian cricket from early 90’s and have been used to watching one trundler after another bowling military medium pace gun barrel straight.
Seeing these youngsters bowling at express pace and swinging the ball is a new experience for me. Pak has produced express swing bowlers before. You may not understand my feeling.
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Javagal Srinath. Could have achieved far more than he did were it not for a super crap system back then. But yes your point is valid by and large.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
You summed it up perfectly. Munaf, Irfan, RP, Sreesanth are some of the examples to support your theory.
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They were not bowling 149k at age 18.

Those guys could not bowl an in swinging Yorker if their life depended to on it. The guys you mentioned were strictly 140k max bowlers even at their peak.
 
Is it me, or are there many more bowlers in this u19 batch that are clocking 143+? Two bowlers from Nz, one from West Indies, 2 from India and some from Australia as well. And these are all from what little I have seen of this World Cup. I remember in the 2016 WC iteration there was only one bowler in the genuine 140+ bracket - Garton was his name, I believe. Are these just much quicker pitches or are the speed-guns overclocked? I'm only saying this solely on the basis of two observations. I watched the EngvsAus and IndvsAus second innings simultaneously and Starc reached a max of 147 (as far as I can remember), while Nargarkhoti reached 149. From just naked eye, the former was easily looking a lot quicker. Also, in the Aussie bowling, there was a bowler by the name of Jackson Edwards that was literally bowling medium pace deliveries and they were registering 130 odd on the speed guns. I was quite bewildered.
 
OmarKhan99 said:
Is it me, or are there many more bowlers in this u19 batch that are clocking 143+? Two bowlers from Nz, one from West Indies, 2 from India and some from Australia as well. And these are all from what little I have seen of this World Cup. I remember in the 2016 WC iteration there was only one bowler in the genuine 140+ bracket - Garton was his name, I believe. Are these just much quicker pitches or are the speed-guns overclocked? I'm only saying this solely on the basis of two observations. I watched the EngvsAus and IndvsAus second innings simultaneously and Starc reached a max of 147 (as far as I can remember), while Nargarkhoti reached 149. From just naked eye, the former was easily looking a lot quicker. Also, in the Aussie bowling, there was a bowler by the name of Jackson Edwards that was literally bowling medium pace deliveries and they were registering 130 odd on the speed guns. I was quite bewildered.
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Bro nagarkotti is someone who is known for pace and consistency and ever since his debut in domestic and u19 tours he has been touted as genuine quick, he made a mockery of England in England with his pace, his idol is waqar younis and nagarkoti Is known for his Yorker and reverse swing since he has played on patta Jaipur tracks also he is quicker through the air.
 
OmarKhan99 said:
Is it me, or are there many more bowlers in this u19 batch that are clocking 143+? Two bowlers from Nz, one from West Indies, 2 from India and some from Australia as well. And these are all from what little I have seen of this World Cup. I remember in the 2016 WC iteration there was only one bowler in the genuine 140+ bracket - Garton was his name, I believe. Are these just much quicker pitches or are the speed-guns overclocked? I'm only saying this solely on the basis of two observations. I watched the EngvsAus and IndvsAus second innings simultaneously and Starc reached a max of 147 (as far as I can remember), while Nargarkhoti reached 149. From just naked eye, the former was easily looking a lot quicker. Also, in the Aussie bowling, there was a bowler by the name of Jackson Edwards that was literally bowling medium pace deliveries and they were registering 130 odd on the speed guns. I was quite bewildered.
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You forget to name ishan porel he is someone who is known to bowl 140+ clicks.
 
[MENTION=1093]omer[/MENTION]khan that is because starc is a lot stronger and lot skiddier not to forget he is lot taller too.
 
OmarKhan99 said:
Is it me, or are there many more bowlers in this u19 batch that are clocking 143+? Two bowlers from Nz, one from West Indies, 2 from India and some from Australia as well. And these are all from what little I have seen of this World Cup. I remember in the 2016 WC iteration there was only one bowler in the genuine 140+ bracket - Garton was his name, I believe. Are these just much quicker pitches or are the speed-guns overclocked? I'm only saying this solely on the basis of two observations. I watched the EngvsAus and IndvsAus second innings simultaneously and Starc reached a max of 147 (as far as I can remember), while Nargarkhoti reached 149. From just naked eye, the former was easily looking a lot quicker. Also, in the Aussie bowling, there was a bowler by the name of Jackson Edwards that was literally bowling medium pace deliveries and they were registering 130 odd on the speed guns. I was quite bewildered.
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The speed gun will be same for any team,the troika(porel,mavi,nagarkoti) are known for pace and if you ask any Indian fans who watches domestic or under 19 it hardly comes as a surprise.
 
Great to know that we're getting some real pace in our cricket. Just that they need to be managed properly, which is true with every fast bowler. Except for Australia and South Africa, most teams are not good at managing their fast bowling talent.
 
Good to have some young pacers coming through. Hopefully they are taken care well and make their debut for India soon. We also have some good quick bowlers in domestic cricket. I just hope these bowlers are kept out of IPL. I hope BCCI does that. They have the means and resources to compensate these players for not playing in IPL.
 
Bubby said:
The speed gun will be same for any team,the troika(porel,mavi,nagarkoti) are known for pace and if you ask any Indian fans who watches domestic or under 19 it hardly comes as a surprise.
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Yes, I am quite aware of his fan following in India. I was once watching a video on Pakistani u19 bowlers when I noticed there were several comments on each video about Nagarkhoti and his pace. I eventually searched for a video where he was bowling and my initial observation was that he bowled about about 135-140 and I was quite impressed. If these speeds are true and if he has managed to bowl in the genuine in 145+ bracket than I would be far more impressed. Good to see such talent coming through and more importantly, at such a young age.
 
Bubby said:
The speed gun will be same for any team,the troika(porel,mavi,nagarkoti) are known for pace and if you ask any Indian fans who watches domestic or under 19 it hardly comes as a surprise.
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Yep, exactly my point. I was referring to Jackson Edwards (Aussie bowler in the same u19 match vs India), who bowls much slower than Philander and even Afridi :))), and his speeds reached about 130 odd. That is one of the observations that made me a bit circumspect in regards to the speeds and hence why I inferred that these speed-guns could be overclocked.
 
Glad to see this. The typical Indian fast bowler starts off as a 130kph medium pacer. And once he knocks on the doors of the international XI he's put under the hammer to bowl at 140. Never believed in this strategy. Pace is the base on which a fast bowler should be building his skills. That's why fast bowlers are called pacers and not swingers lol :rofl: when slow bowlers are called spinners.
 
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Where is Nagar koti,Porel,Mavi? the other guy? India need to play them at higher level like for A tours and playing them against touring teams at least.
 
DRsohail said:
Where is Nagar koti,Porel,Mavi? the other guy? India need to play them at higher level like for A tours and playing them against touring teams at least.
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Nagarkoti is recovering from injury. He was retained by KKR.

Mavi is representing UP in domestic cricket right now and has exceeded expectation in his debut season. He too was retained by KKR.

Porel is representing Bengal in domestics and has been decent enough.
 
JattMaula said:
Nagarkoti is recovering from injury. He was retained by KKR.

Mavi is representing UP in domestic cricket right now and has exceeded expectation in his debut season. He too was retained by KKR.

Porel is representing Bengal in domestics and has been decent enough.
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Its only been 3 FC games, but he has been brilliant in all 3.

Though, I must add that UP (his FC side) are in an easier group. So, we will know better towards the end of the season when he gets to bowl against Mumbai etc. But still positive signs.
 
JattMaula said:
Nagarkoti is recovering from injury. He was retained by KKR.

Mavi is representing UP in domestic cricket right now and has exceeded expectation in his debut season. He too was retained by KKR.

Porel is representing Bengal in domestics and has been decent enough.
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I think porel played against WI in tour match?
 
DRsohail said:
And Avesh khan took 4 in that match?
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Yup and yup. Avesh and Khalil, the previous u19 batch, has matured significantly. Avesh was bowling fire in ipl. He has better physique than Khalil but he is right arm bowler and we currently have plenty of them waiting in line.
 
JattMaula said:
Yup and yup. Avesh and Khalil, the previous u19 batch, has matured significantly. Avesh was bowling fire in ipl. He has better physique than Khalil but he is right arm bowler and we currently have plenty of them waiting in line.
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Why is Khaleel bowling like a trundler? I remember watching a clip where he was bowling 140k+ but he hardly bowls above 135k these days. :inti
 
It doesn’t make sense. I hear and see all this hype about 150+ kph fast bowlers from India but as they come closer to selection to the international team, their pace drops significantly. I watched a few clips of some mentioned here and they look genuine quicks but I can bet my bottom dollar that they would decrease pace gradually. Is that something to do with the system in India? Or do they generally play safe in anticipation of a longer career?

A good comparison would be Shaheen, he seemed slower in the u19 cup but seems to have put in more speed.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Why is Khaleel bowling like a trundler? I remember watching a clip where he was bowling 140k+ but he hardly bowls above 135k these days. :inti
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Don't know to be honest. He was bowling 140+ in domestics. Maybe learning to swing right now cause he definitely could not swing a ball before.
 
NoBallZombie said:
It doesn’t make sense. I hear and see all this hype about 150+ kph fast bowlers from India but as they come closer to selection to the international team, their pace drops significantly. I watched a few clips of some mentioned here and they look genuine quicks but I can bet my bottom dollar that they would decrease pace gradually. Is that something to do with the system in India? Or do they generally play safe in anticipation of a longer career?

A good comparison would be Shaheen, he seemed slower in the u19 cup but seems to have put in more speed.
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Shaheen was and is slower than Mavi and Nagarkoti. Khalil was 125 kph bowler in his u19 days. Avesh was 130. Both have increased their speeds.

I suspect that Khalil is like Amir. He can hit higher speeds if he hits back of length and doesn't try to swing too much but that will make him easy to negotiate.
 
Rasikh Salam of Kashmir bowled a dream opening spell in the premium U19 tournament in India.He took 5 wickets in 5 overs and conceded five runs.4 out of 5 dismissals were clean bowled.Irfan Pathan is very vocal about this guy on twitter and hopefully JKCA won't destroy his career as that is the only thing at which they are good.
 
hisham_ashraf said:
Rasikh Salam of Kashmir bowled a dream opening spell in the premium U19 tournament in India.He took 5 wickets in 5 overs and conceded five runs.4 out of 5 dismissals were clean bowled.Irfan Pathan is very vocal about this guy on twitter and hopefully JKCA won't destroy his career as that is the only thing at which they are good.
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Will he be eligible for next u19 WC?
 
JattMaula said:
Will he be eligible for next u19 WC?
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Yes he will be.He is only 17,but he didn't play in the Vinoo Mankad Trophy as he was busy with the senior team playing Vijay Hazare Trophy.So he has to perform really well in this tournament.So far he has taken 10 wickets in 3 innings.
 
hisham_ashraf said:
Yes he will be.He is only 17,but he didn't play in the Vinoo Mankad Trophy as he was busy with the senior team playing Vijay Hazare Trophy.So he has to perform really well in this tournament.So far he has taken 10 wickets in 3 innings.
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Its better that he is playing higher level cricket already.

How tall is he? All our "fast" bowlers are little short.
 
Shivam Mavi is bowling for UP against strong Saurashtra batting. Pujara is batting.

You can watch on Hotstar right now.
 
ataullah said:
What's his speed? Where's nagarkoti?
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No speed gun spotted unfortunately but is visibly faster than Rajpoot who is a 135-40 bowler in first class.

Nagarkoti has recovered from injury but Rajasthan have perhaps best fast bowling depth in Indian domestics and getting a game is hard when you can't force the issue with performance as there are no other serious cricket matches currently being played in India.
 
And he gets Pujara with a inswinging lifter on body.

Was troubling pujara with movement, pace and bounce throughout.
 
JattMaula said:
No speed gun spotted unfortunately but is visibly faster than Rajpoot who is a 135-40 bowler in first class.

Nagarkoti has recovered from injury but Rajasthan have perhaps best fast bowling depth in Indian domestics and getting a game is hard when you can't force the issue with performance as there are no other serious cricket matches currently being played in India.
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Who all?
 
Saurav said:
Who all?
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Aniket Chaudhary
Deepak Chahar
Tanveer Ul Haq
Khaleel Ahmed
Kamlesh Nagarkoti

There was another guy at the junior level who was even better performer and also quicker than Nagarkoti but broke his back and hasn't been able to recover till now
 
RyanRyan10 said:
Aniket Chaudhary
Deepak Chahar
Tanveer Ul Haq
Khaleel Ahmed
Kamlesh Nagarkoti

There was another guy at the junior level who was even better performer and also quicker than Nagarkoti but broke his back and hasn't been able to recover till now
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Who?

Nathu Singh?
 
Mavi has almost ensured that UP will win its quarterfinal against Saurashtra. A very impressive performance indeed.
 
Nagarkoti has the highest potential in white ball cricket so Indian cricket needs him to return soon.
 
RyanRyan10 said:
Aniket Chaudhary
Deepak Chahar
Tanveer Ul Haq
Khaleel Ahmed
Kamlesh Nagarkoti

There was another guy at the junior level who was even better performer and also quicker than Nagarkoti but broke his back and hasn't been able to recover till now
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Never heard of Tanveer Ul Haq. Nagarkoti is better than Chaudhary and Chahar
 
JattMaula said:
And he gets Pujara with a inswinging lifter on body.

Was troubling pujara with movement, pace and bounce throughout.
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He did on flat Indian paratha wicket what Mitchel Starc, Josh Hazzlewood, & Pat Cummins failed to do on some of the toughest bowling wickets in Australia lately.
 
JattMaula said:
Don't know to be honest. He was bowling 140+ in domestics. Maybe learning to swing right now cause he definitely could not swing a ball before.
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Because of new shoe sponsors
He is not used to wearing high ankle spikes
 
Not followed much of domestic cricket so will someone list names of top 3 most likely to be long term Test match strike bowlers ?
 
ILcricket said:
Not followed much of domestic cricket so will someone list names of top 3 most likely to be long term Test match strike bowlers ?
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Most likely red ball - Shivam Mavi

Most likely white ball - Kamlesh Nagarkoti

Potential red ball - Siraj, Avesh Khan

Potential white ball - Navdeep Saini, Ankit Rajpoot, Tushar Deshpande

Potential A/R - Shivam Dubey


Khaleel, Shardul, Unadcutter, Kaul are all junk.
 
Saurav said:
Never heard of Tanveer Ul Haq. Nagarkoti is better than Chaudhary and Chahar
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No, not even close with the way Chaudhary is bowling this season. He has almost 50 wickets @ under 15 average with 7 five-fers in 9 matches.
 
Sin Nombre said:
Most likely red ball - Shivam Mavi

Most likely white ball - Kamlesh Nagarkoti

Potential red ball - Siraj, Avesh Khan

Potential white ball - Navdeep Saini, Ankit Rajpoot, Tushar Deshpande

Potential A/R - Shivam Dubey


Khaleel, Shardul, Unadcutter, Kaul are all junk.
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Unadkat took a 6fer again :P
 
Saurav said:
Never heard of Tanveer Ul Haq. Nagarkoti is better than Chaudhary and Chahar
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By domestic standards ,They are very good and have helped their team reach QF
So it won't be easy to drop them
Nagarkoti will get a chance in List A for sure(if he is fit)
 
We were once told Khaleel Ahmed was a 148K speed demon. Right now only tested and proven 145K fast bowler is JJ Bumrah.

I would not believe anything at U19 level. Anwar Ali destroyed India at U19 level and was supposed to be second coming of Wasim Akram.
 
BDfanforever said:
We were once told Khaleel Ahmed was a 148K speed demon. Right now only tested and proven 145K fast bowler is JJ Bumrah.

I would not believe anything at U19 level. Anwar Ali destroyed India at U19 level and was supposed to be second coming of Wasim Akram.
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Don't need to believe the hype fanforever sahib. watch the last u19 wc yourself.

A bowler can lose/gain pace temporarily or permanently. I'm sure you can think of some examples.

Khalil may not be a speedster right now or he may never will be again.
 
Abhilash93 said:
No, not even close with the way Chaudhary is bowling this season. He has almost 50 wickets @ under 15 average with 7 five-fers in 9 matches.
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See him bowl.Even Vinay Kumar gets good numbers in domestics
 
In Indian domestic cricket, some 125 kmph bowlers have also been very successful. For instance, Vinay Kumar, Abhimanyu Mithun, Joginder Sharma and Gurbani.

Even slightly quicker pacers like Unadkat etc have been extremely successful at domestic level. But as we have seen, they are rubbish at international level.

Only those domestic pacers who are capable of bowling in the regions of 140 kmph and above should be considered international cricket material.

As of now, I would consider Mavi, Nagarkoti and Saini as international material. Of course they need to be included in India A squads to see how they far at that level.
 
troodon said:
They were not bowling 149k at age 18.

Those guys could not bowl an in swinging Yorker if their life depended to on it. The guys you mentioned were strictly 140k max bowlers even at their peak.
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Irfan could,and did to Gilly :msd
 
Sin Nombre said:
Most likely red ball - Shivam Mavi

Most likely white ball - Kamlesh Nagarkoti

Potential red ball - Siraj, Avesh Khan

Potential white ball - Navdeep Saini, Ankit Rajpoot, Tushar Deshpande

Potential A/R - Shivam Dubey


Khaleel, Shardul, Unadcutter, Kaul are all junk.
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i am only interested in those who can make a impact in Tests . Thank you for your inputs .
 
I thought pace didn't mean anything ? Or have the standards changed since there are a couple of 140+ pacers in the Indian circuit?
 
octavian said:
I thought pace didn't mean anything ? Or have the standards changed since there are a couple of 140+ pacers in the Indian circuit?
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Lol standards changed since PCT stopped producing them, there are old threads mocking pace of Indian bowlers, calling fast Indian bowlers as imaginary ,so we all.know when standards changed and for who
 
octavian said:
I thought pace didn't mean anything ? Or have the standards changed since there are a couple of 140+ pacers in the Indian circuit?
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Still doesnt mean anything without skill. Look at all those bowlers bowling 140+ in bigbash getting smashed. That includes Stanlake.
Unless you move the ball and/or can vary the pace, you will be smashed. Look no further than Bumrah to see how he uses pace in all formats.
 
octavian said:
I thought pace didn't mean anything ? Or have the standards changed since there are a couple of 140+ pacers in the Indian circuit?
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Today there are dozens of 140 kmph bowlers in Indian domestic circuit. While discussing youngsters like Nagarkoti and Mavi, we have already forgotten someone like Aaron who is still capable of creating havoc with his pace.
 
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