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India v England | 3rd Test | February 24-28 | Ahmedabad | Pre-match discussion

Hyperion66 said:
I agree, but even with 6mm grass this pitch would look a lot different. Right now it looks same as the outfield which definitely would not be the case on the match day.
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If I'm not mistaken, this is the newly constructed huge stadium.

Pitch conditions will probably be figured out during the match, how quickly it deteriorates, what bowling style is effective, and more.

Anderson will certainly be effective on this pitch, he will be tough to negotiate in the opening spell.

I think that the second new ball/old ball spell under lights will be a crucial aspect of the 3rd test. Spin is not that effective under lights, especially since the ball is more visible to batsmen with the prominent black knitted seam.

What will be interesting is the type of wicket India make against England. Right now, it's still under development, but it seems like they might keep a cover of grass just in case they win the toss and bowl first. The pink ball is less effective for spinners, but bowling a pace-friendly wicket could backfire given the likes of Anderson. A batting track might work against India as well given that England batsmen will camp at the crease like they did in the first test. A spinning track is the best way to go, but spin will have to be introduced early on to be maximized.

The question I'd be asking is if Kuldeep is needed, or if Axar + Ashwin can hold that front.
 
A huge chance for Eng to go up 2-1 here.
 
There will be no grass when game starts , India will and should prepare turning pitch.

England would have to win the Toss and bat first , to have any kind of chance, also need to play right combination.
 
UzmanBeast said:
If I'm not mistaken, this is the newly constructed huge stadium.

Pitch conditions will probably be figured out during the match, how quickly it deteriorates, what bowling style is effective, and more.

Anderson will certainly be effective on this pitch, he will be tough to negotiate in the opening spell.

I think that the second new ball/old ball spell under lights will be a crucial aspect of the 3rd test. Spin is not that effective under lights, especially since the ball is more visible to batsmen with the prominent black knitted seam.

What will be interesting is the type of wicket India make against England. Right now, it's still under development, but it seems like they might keep a cover of grass just in case they win the toss and bowl first. The pink ball is less effective for spinners, but bowling a pace-friendly wicket could backfire given the likes of Anderson. A batting track might work against India as well given that England batsmen will camp at the crease like they did in the first test. A spinning track is the best way to go, but spin will have to be introduced early on to be maximized.

The question I'd be asking is if Kuldeep is needed, or if Axar + Ashwin can hold that front.
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True. We have zero idea how the pitch will behave but one thing is sure, it won't be a docile one like the first test.

Looking at the pitch perhaps 4 pacers + Ashwin is the way to go but then again it will mean an even longer tail. May be they will go with 3 pacer + 2 spinner combination. In that case I think Sundar over Axar would be a better pick as in case of a low scoring affair Sundar's batting could be crucial. I really don't think Kuldeep will play.
 
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Hyperion66 said:
True. We have zero idea how the pitch will behave but one thing is sure, it won't be a docile one like the first test.

Looking at the pitch perhaps 4 pacers + Ashwin is the way to go but then again it will mean an even longer tail. May be they will go with 3 pacer + 2 spinner combination. In that case I think Sundar over Axar would be a better pick as in case of a low scoring affair Sundar's batting could be crucial. I really don't think Kuldeep will play.
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The biggest question will be whether to keep Axar or to bring back Sundar. Sundar gives you more with the bat, but Ashwin is also good with the bat as we've seen.Axar is the better spinner in my opinion, gives a different angle and bowling style.

If we look at the pacers, Bumrah and Ishant will definitely play. However, the gamble can be taken playing Shardul Thakur as the third pacer and all-rounder, offering more with the bat. The only place where it would backfire would be that Bumrah and Ishant would share a larger workload, and if England draws this match somehow, they might not be fully recovered for the 4th test.

It will certainly be an interesting test match, as this stadium could host a very exciting pitch.
 
 
King_Kohli said:
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What an unfit and overweight cricketer.Sure Azam Khan can do much better :inti
 
UzmanBeast said:
If I'm not mistaken, this is the newly constructed huge stadium.

Pitch conditions will probably be figured out during the match, how quickly it deteriorates, what bowling style is effective, and more.

Anderson will certainly be effective on this pitch, he will be tough to negotiate in the opening spell.

I think that the second new ball/old ball spell under lights will be a crucial aspect of the 3rd test. Spin is not that effective under lights, especially since the ball is more visible to batsmen with the prominent black knitted seam.

What will be interesting is the type of wicket India make against England. Right now, it's still under development, but it seems like they might keep a cover of grass just in case they win the toss and bowl first. The pink ball is less effective for spinners, but bowling a pace-friendly wicket could backfire given the likes of Anderson. A batting track might work against India as well given that England batsmen will camp at the crease like they did in the first test. A spinning track is the best way to go, but spin will have to be introduced early on to be maximized.

The question I'd be asking is if Kuldeep is needed, or if Axar + Ashwin can hold that front.
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yes Bumrah in for Kuldeep,rest same XI
 
The Indian comeback has made the series exciting and England can fancy their chances with these welcome new conditions. Our selection is going to get more difficult as our options increases but so many players in good form recently should offer confidence. Game on
 
Since this is a pink ball Test, England have a good chance. I think they should win.
 
If India supposedly has such a world-class pace attack, why are they so hesitant to play England on a green pitch? Is it because confidence in the batting is at an all-time low?
 
India Vs England3rd Test (Pink ball, D/N Match) Tomorrow

Session Timings:

1st Session - 2.30pm to 4.30pm
2nd Session - 4.50pm to 6.50pm
3rd Session - 7.30pm to 9.30pm

Above Timings are in Indian Standard Time.
 
Except Kohli none of our bats are well equipped to handle banana swing. We need to have runs on board no matter how they come. Tuk tuk approach is probably not gonna work.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TeamIndia?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#TeamIndia</a> practice under lights as they gear up for the pink-ball Test at the Cricket Stadium at Motera. &#55357;&#56397;&#55357;&#56397; <a href="https://twitter.com/Paytm?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Paytm</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/INDvENG?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#INDvENG</a><br><br>Here are a few snapshots from the nets session &#55357;&#56568;&#55357;&#56391; <a href="https://t.co/bXOMd5ARxn">pic.twitter.com/bXOMd5ARxn</a></p>— BCCI (@BCCI) <a href="https://twitter.com/BCCI/status/1363878979946520582?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 22, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Hyperion66 said:
Except Kohli none of our bats are well equipped to handle banana swing. We need to have runs on board no matter how they come. Tuk tuk approach is probably not gonna work.
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I think they will prepare balanced pitch.
 
This should be England's team. Definitely need four pacers here. Stokes shouldn't be batting above a specialist batsman and should be bowling a lot more.

1) Zak Crawley
2) Dom Sibley
3) Jonny Bairstow
4) Joe Root (c)
5) Olly Pope
6) Ben Stokes
7) Ben Foakes
8) Jofra Archer
9) Jack Leach
10) Stuart Broad *
11) James Anderson

12) Chris Woakes

* Replace Broad with Woakes if the pitch has no grass and isn't likely to seam/swing as much as expected.
 
King_Kohli said:
I think they will prepare balanced pitch.
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I honestly don't think anyone can guess right now how the pitch will behave. A must win game that happens to be a pink ball test in a ground used for the first time against an opposition having the best bowler for such conditions.

Man, I am officially nervous!!
 
Pink Ball Stats :
Highest run-scorers from current England and India squad respectively.
Root (263 in 3 matches)
Kohli (214 in 2 matches)

Anderson (14) is highest wicket-taker for England.
UmeshYadav (11) leads the tally from India.
 
In the 15 day-night Tests that have been played around the world, fast bowlers have taken 354 wickets at an average of 24.47, and spinners 115 wickets at a significantly worse 35.38.
 
India's pink-ball conundrum: Kuldeep, Hardik, Siraj or Sundar?
Are India better off with a fast-bowling allrounder, a fast bowler, a wristspinner or a spin-bowling allrounder?
 
RamLakhan said:
With 1-1 standing at the end of 2nd Test Match. India should be careful about 3rd Test - Pink Ball which is a day-night affair! With the nightmarish memories from last such test, it is better to concentrate thoroughly for this one. England would be happy to take advantage of it and they wouldn't mind ending this series 2-2 even if they lose the last match again with a big margin!

Hence I prefer the following team for the 3rd Test:

Rohit
Gill/Rahul (not sure if Gill's injury is serious, also I won't mind playing Rahul who can surprisingly come good)
Pujara
Kohli
Rahane
Pant
Pandya
Ashwin
Axar
Bumrah
Ishant

This way we will have the balance between pace & spin and also additional cushion to the batting. Wouldn't bother even if India draws this match though victory is the first priority!

If Jadeja was available I would have preferred a proper seamer instead of Pandya!
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Good line up....

but Is HP able to bowl/is bowling - any report from the nets/practice...?
If he's not able to bowl -read getting 10-12 ov out of him per day - he shouldn't be in team.

-If he's not in-I'd go for Washy- u def will get 10-12 ov from him and dude is a proper top order batsman.

- Gill injury -is it serios- what injury?

- I feel with the dew factor, it will be a low scoring match and ball likely to be heavy after a few hits in the outfield after about 7 pm. However, it could also swing and hence if HP is around, he would be an asset.
The one guy we will miss in spades is Mo Shami. His style of skiddy bowling heavy balls is tailor made for such conditions.

- With K L Rahul, I essentially feel this guy is a game breaker but also a hit and miss guy. If he fires, he will take the total away from the oppo and also look a million dollars, trouble is those days are not v common.
The same with Gill, however early days yet.
The same with Rohit - and he's secured himself some space, with the Chennai test 100 but he better be more consistent - else - my bet would be, moving forwrd on another young opener like Devdutt Padikkal or may be even a unconventional move in making Washy Sundar open.

-Che Pu hasn't fired in Chennai, he's due.

The rest more or less choose themselves.

On the Eng side - feel Jim Grump is gonna be cruicial, gotta negate him. He's rested and fresh.

Stokes is due a big one with both ball and bat and watch out for him. Rev swing will be a big factor.

-With Moin not playing, I guess we will take care of Bess, Leach and co.

Their top order is due....hoping Jazz-Boom, IShy and co take care of them.

All in all, this will be an exciting game.

Go Indiaaaa...!
 
Since there is lot of unpredictability about this match/pitch, I would say go for a gutsy playing XI without taking current form, match-fitness, etc, into account. Also with the fact that scoring quick runs and handling pressure is important, it is better to go with Pandya, Pant, Sundar like players who are suited for such situations, so I hope our team management takes some strange/bold decision to pick a team like this:

Rohit
Sundar
Pujara
Kohli
Rahane
Pandya
Pant
Ashwin
Ishant
Umesh
Bumrah

Let's rest Gill (even if he is not injured). Gill should be groomed for long term, but this is a very crucial (more importantly a tricky) match! Mayank or Rahul can anyhow can't get into groove straight away in such a match!

And Umesh has good record with Pink Ball, so we will be forced to play him! Perhaps our management may play Bumrah, Umesh & Ishant but may also play Axar (in place of Pandya) along with Ashwin and may go with regular opener!
 
CrIc_Mystique said:
Good line up....

but Is HP able to bowl/is bowling - any report from the nets/practice...?
If he's not able to bowl -read getting 10-12 ov out of him per day - he shouldn't be in team.

-If he's not in-I'd go for Washy- u def will get 10-12 ov from him and dude is a proper top order batsman.

- Gill injury -is it serios- what injury?

- I feel with the dew factor, it will be a low scoring match and ball likely to be heavy after a few hits in the outfield after about 7 pm. However, it could also swing and hence if HP is around, he would be an asset.
The one guy we will miss in spades is Mo Shami. His style of skiddy bowling heavy balls is tailor made for such conditions.

- With K L Rahul, I essentially feel this guy is a game breaker but also a hit and miss guy. If he fires, he will take the total away from the oppo and also look a million dollars, trouble is those days are not v common.
The same with Gill, however early days yet.
The same with Rohit - and he's secured himself some space, with the Chennai test 100 but he better be more consistent - else - my bet would be, moving forwrd on another young opener like Devdutt Padikkal or may be even a unconventional move in making Washy Sundar open.

-Che Pu hasn't fired in Chennai, he's due.

The rest more or less choose themselves.

On the Eng side - feel Jim Grump is gonna be cruicial, gotta negate him. He's rested and fresh.

Stokes is due a big one with both ball and bat and watch out for him. Rev swing will be a big factor.

-With Moin not playing, I guess we will take care of Bess, Leach and co.

Their top order is due....hoping Jazz-Boom, IShy and co take care of them.

All in all, this will be an exciting game.

Go Indiaaaa...!
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I posted my changed view just before reading your comment :)

Yes if Pandya can bowl those 10 overs, then he must definitely play (he played a big part in the lone test victory in England last time). Also I think he will lot more confident about his batting now after his recent exploits in LOIs (just like how Rohit gains confidence from his ODI form). Also players like him, Pant & Sundar can play those bold innings which are required on tough conditions! What do you think about my revised team?
 
As Pandya is selected in this Test Squad for some reason (and if he is fit) then this test match is the right time to pick him! Pick him ahead of Axar!
 
Chances are curators would leave little or no grass on pitch, which would speed up discolouration of the pink ball. This would also mean we won’t see much swing even under lights. Good job curators, we need to nullify English bowlers to dominate this test match. We can’t afford to screw up like Chennai or else say goodbye to WTC.
 
Bilal7 said:
If India supposedly has such a world-class pace attack, why are they so hesitant to play England on a green pitch? Is it because confidence in the batting is at an all-time low?
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Pacers of both team are equally good at using the pink ball but our spin bowling attack is way better so obviously we should go with a turner , i think this answers your question.
 
RamLakhan said:
As Pandya is selected in this Test Squad for some reason (and if he is fit) then this test match is the right time to pick him! Pick him ahead of Axar!
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Well, dont see him being selected -unlesshe is bowling...but yes potentially, if he bats for 10-15 ov - he will take the bowling apart....
That said, i think management will go for 2 spinners, as u need 2 spinners where ever u play in India, day night test or not.
Hope Ishant has a memorable 100th test and blows them apart....
go india!:ds
 
Umesh Yadav has cleared the fitness test as per new guidelines for the Indian players,.
An India player has to clock either 17.1 (previously it was 16.1) in a Yo-Yo test or clear the two km run in eight minute and 30 seconds to be eligible to play for the country.
 
In his last 10 Tests at home Umesh Yadav has 48 wickets at an average of 16+ and a strike rate of a wicket every 29 balls.

Umesh Yadav in home Tests since his debut in 2011-

Matches- 28
Wkts- 96- (Most by a fast bowler and 3rd-most overall)
Avg- 24.54
S/R- 45.7 (2nd best after Shami)

Since 2018-

M- 7
Wkts- 38
Avg- 13.86
S/R- 24.3
 
Ishant Sharma all set to play his 100th Test tomorrow.

DID YOU KNOW: Ishant Sharma & Virat Kohli made their FC debuts together for Delhi v Tamil Nadu at Ferozshah Kotla in November 2006. Ishant picked 4 wickets in TN's first innings
 
King_Kohli said:
DID YOU KNOW: Ishant Sharma & Virat Kohli made their FC debuts together for Delhi v Tamil Nadu at Ferozshah Kotla in November 2006. Ishant picked 4 wickets in TN's first innings
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That is some good information man, always thought Ishant made made his FC debut before Kohli.
 
Expect pitch to break from day 1. Toss is critical again. It doesn't look like this test would last 5 days so 1st innings parity is very critical for either team.
 
Hyperion66 said:
That is some good information man, always thought Ishant made made his FC debut before Kohli.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&#55357;&#56884;&#55357;&#56834; Virat Kohli woke <a href="https://twitter.com/ImIshant?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ImIshant</a> up to tell him he'd first been selected for <a href="https://twitter.com/BCCI?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BCCI</a> <br><br>And <a href="https://twitter.com/imVkohli?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@imVkohli</a> will captain Ishant Sharma in the bowler's &#55357;&#56495; Test, starting tomorrow<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/INDvENG?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#INDvENG</a> | <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WTC21?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WTC21</a> <a href="https://t.co/O1GpywfH4N">pic.twitter.com/O1GpywfH4N</a></p>— ICC (@ICC) <a href="https://twitter.com/ICC/status/1364238302199611399?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 23, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
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