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South Africa (489 & 260/5d) defeat India (201 & 140) by 408 runs in the 2nd Test to complete a 2-0 whitewash

Which team will win the 2nd Test?

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RedwoodOriginal said:
In the history of test cricket, there are very few examples of teams scoring this kind of a first innings total and losing the match. It will take something incredible for India to win from here
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Agreed. Odds are heavily stacked against an Indian win. However, 450 overs is a lot of cricket and teams have lost games despite scoring 500+/- in the first innings of a test match.
 
AZulfi said:
Agreed. Odds are heavily stacked against an Indian win. However, 450 overs is a lot of cricket and teams have lost games despite scoring 500+/- in the first innings of a test match.
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On this venue, bad light is making sure 10 overs of play is deducted every passing day. We had 80 overs of cricket on in Day 1 and approx 76 overs of cricket on Day 2. Expect a total of not more than 400 overs played in this match.

The only way India can win is if they magically score 600+ runs in 150 overs and declare few overs before Day 4 end. Then South Africa gets bundled up at 150. But this is more like a wish than reality.
 
India is going through its worst phase in test cricket... Last English Series was actually like puching above the weight... That was supposed to be KL Rahul's farewell tour... He cannot be more consistant than that (not even at home). The guy is one spoiled brat... (Neither good in LOIs, nor Tests... He is not a complete player to handle both the formats... In fact today it is difficult for even legends/ultra-talented players to handle multiple formats with the demands of modern T20s & leagues... even Kohli, Rohit, Bumrah everyone found that out) Rahul (or management) should have strictly stuck to one format and made that decision long back...
Sai Sudarshan (or anybody else) doesn't infuse any confidence at No.3 (such a crucial batting position - Dravid, Pujara kind of players you need there). Gill showed promise at No.4 (and now he is out of this series, not sure about his captaincy - but as a batsman he definitely showed confidence to handle the No.4 spot which was handled by guys like Tendulkar, Kohli, Vengsarkar...)

Jaiswal is a good test opener (fortunately not spoiled much in LOIs, but he needs a better coach to stay focused and not Josh-Josh-Josh Gambir)

Pant is no more the X-factor player he used to be before injury... For him to make a comeback, he should strictly be kept away from LOIs and even in IPL he should just be part of team and not handed over responsibilities like captaincy (just needs to enjoy the time & money like how Wriddiman Saha did - just do your part)

After the exit of Ashwin & Jadeja on his last legs, India no more has that lethal spin attack at home (+the batting alround ability they bring). England series was kind of farewell to even Jadeja! He performed well there (albeit only with bat)

Shami, Yadav, Ishant were more effective than Siraj & even Bumrah in home tests, which was always a secret weapon in Indian home tests which not many people are aware, and blindly attribute all the success of India in home tests to doctored spin tracks/spinners & batsmen! (Bumrah cannot bowl long effective spells in home tests, moreover he may not sustain the intensity in a long test series)

India literally doesn't have a No.5 & No.6 batsman... Pant is good for No.7 only (even the legend Gilchrist batted in this position only, and that's why he was so effective). This exercise of making Pant, Jadeja, Sundar bat higher in the order won't do any good to the team on long run... If India has to be proper No.1 in tests, it has to follow the past WI & Aus teams... Pack with 6 solid batsmen at Top 6 (one can be a decent part-time spinner/pacer like Steve Waugh, Carl Hooper, etc) + 1 Solid Wicket Keeper + 4 deadly specialist bowlers (3 pacers + 1 spinner overseas & 2 pacers + 2 spinners at home). This is always the proper success mantra in tests in any era!

Indian Test Cricket is in miserable condition as of now... A proper coach can still bring it back to its glorious days...
 
South Africa can confidently impose follow-on and win easily, this Indian batting is harmless (especially at home)... This is a great victory to South Africa... Gambhir has to resign after this shameful display...
 
lol Washington Sundar back at 8-9. Wasn’t he playing 1 down last match… ind in disarray
 
RamLakhan said:
India is going through its worst phase in test cricket... Last English Series was actually like puching above the weight... That was supposed to be KL Rahul's farewell tour... He cannot be more consistant than that (not even at home). The guy is one spoiled brat... (Neither good in LOIs, nor Tests... He is not a complete player to handle both the formats... In fact today it is difficult for even legends/ultra-talented players to handle multiple formats with the demands of modern T20s & leagues... even Kohli, Rohit, Bumrah everyone found that out) Rahul (or management) should have strictly stuck to one format and made that decision long back...
Sai Sudarshan (or anybody else) doesn't infuse any confidence at No.3 (such a crucial batting position - Dravid, Pujara kind of players you need there). Gill showed promise at No.4 (and now he is out of this series, not sure about his captaincy - but as a batsman he definitely showed confidence to handle the No.4 spot which was handled by guys like Tendulkar, Kohli, Vengsarkar...)

Jaiswal is a good test opener (fortunately not spoiled much in LOIs, but he needs a better coach to stay focused and not Josh-Josh-Josh Gambir)

Pant is no more the X-factor player he used to be before injury... For him to make a comeback, he should strictly be kept away from LOIs and even in IPL he should just be part of team and not handed over responsibilities like captaincy (just needs to enjoy the time & money like how Wriddiman Saha did - just do your part)

After the exit of Ashwin & Jadeja on his last legs, India no more has that lethal spin attack at home (+the batting alround ability they bring). England series was kind of farewell to even Jadeja! He performed well there (albeit only with bat)

Shami, Yadav, Ishant were more effective than Siraj & even Bumrah in home tests, which was always a secret weapon in Indian home tests which not many people are aware, and blindly attribute all the success of India in home tests to doctored spin tracks/spinners & batsmen! (Bumrah cannot bowl long effective spells in home tests, moreover he may not sustain the intensity in a long test series)

India literally doesn't have a No.5 & No.6 batsman... Pant is good for No.7 only (even the legend Gilchrist batted in this position only, and that's why he was so effective). This exercise of making Pant, Jadeja, Sundar bat higher in the order won't do any good to the team on long run... If India has to be proper No.1 in tests, it has to follow the past WI & Aus teams... Pack with 6 solid batsmen at Top 6 (one can be a decent part-time spinner/pacer like Steve Waugh, Carl Hooper, etc) + 1 Solid Wicket Keeper + 4 deadly specialist bowlers (3 pacers + 1 spinner overseas & 2 pacers + 2 spinners at home). This is always the proper success mantra in tests in any era!

Indian Test Cricket is in miserable condition as of now... A proper coach can still bring it back to its glorious days...
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Test cricket is a specialized game and should be left to specialists. Post Ashwin and with their batting experience all gone they need to realize that Bumrah alone cannot win them games. Jurel, Sundar, Akshar and Nitish might be good players but you cannot play all of them together, especially when your main batter is out injured. In test cricket there is no substitute for experience and skill. Pant is a gun player but the way he is approaching his batting is unsustainable.

India need a proper middle order and should test Gaikwad and Patidar. Karun should get another chance, especially in home games. I know the top order seems stable but I still think India could have given Esawaran a few games at some point.

Also I just cant understand why Shami is not in the squad.
 
Someone needed to bat like Dravid and Laxman did in Adelaide and Kolkata.

500+ runs out by opposition. 70-4 or 80-4 down and then one goes on to hit a double ton and other a ton to save embarrassment. This is why scoreboard pressure plays such a big role.
 
When New Zealand whitewashed India in India 3–0 last year, I thought it was a fluke, an off series, nothing more. But now we’re struggling to save a home series against South Africa too.

What’s going on? India at home was supposed to be unbeatable, the graveyard for touring teams. The great Steve Waugh’s legendary side called India their “final frontier” and still couldn’t conquer it. How are we losing so easily at home?

:kp
 
amvbfm said:
Test cricket is a specialized game and should be left to specialists. Post Ashwin and with their batting experience all gone they need to realize that Bumrah alone cannot win them games. Jurel, Sundar, Akshar and Nitish might be good players but you cannot play all of them together, especially when your main batter is out injured. In test cricket there is no substitute for experience and skill. Pant is a gun player but the way he is approaching his batting is unsustainable.

India need a proper middle order and should test Gaikwad and Patidar. Karun should get another chance, especially in home games. I know the top order seems stable but I still think India could have given Esawaran a few games at some point.

Also I just cant understand why Shami is not in the squad.
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Yes, I can't understand why Karun Nair is not playing at home...
 
What a clean up South Africa without their strike bowler Rabada in both test!!

What an effort! What an attitude!! 👏👏👏

:kp
 
Devadwal said:
When New Zealand whitewashed India in India 3–0 last year, I thought it was a fluke, an off series, nothing more. But now we’re struggling to save a home series against South Africa too.

What’s going on? India at home was supposed to be unbeatable, the graveyard for touring teams. The great Steve Waugh’s legendary side called India their “final frontier” and still couldn’t conquer it. How are we losing so easily at home?

:kp
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Not surprising, as your cricketing knowledge is laughable to say the least.
 
This is really embarrasing for India. Again their tailenders are trying to help them out, but this mountain is just too tall to climb it seems?
 
Indians best batter of recent times is still at the crease. If they can avoid follow on there is something to play for still even though it's a slim chance. They are behind the game but not quite buried.
 
Now the 1-1 against Pakistan looks solid form in hindsight, although I still think we dropped easy WTC points there.

SA are a very good team in any conditions.
 
India head to lunch with some stability at last, thanks to a resilient 52-run eighth-wicket stand between Washington Sundar and Kuldeep Yadav – a partnership that finally brought a touch of respectability to the scorecard. Until then, it had been all about Marco Jansen, whose barrage of short-pitched bowling ripped through India’s middle order. The session feels far removed from when Pant and Jadeja had initially walked out, but three wickets – all to Jansen – leave India still trailing by 315. Their immediate goal is to chip away at the 116 they need to avoid the follow-on, and much now depends on how far Washington and Kuldeep can drag them.
 
So, who's getting sacked after this series? Kotak? Morkel? ten Doeschate? T Dilip? Or Physio for not getting Gill ready.? :klopp :kp
 
AZulfi said:
Agreed. Odds are heavily stacked against an Indian win. However, 450 overs is a lot of cricket and teams have lost games despite scoring 500+/- in the first innings of a test match.
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Wow that some performance by SA.. completely outplayed India here..
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Averages more than Babar and has played more impact knocks than the whole Pakistani team combined.
He isn’t a hack, he is a modern day test great.
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@kron You wanted this guy out of the team meanwhile you got other Indian fans calling this guy "a modern day test great" with a batting average of 35 :wahab2
 
Rajdeep said:
Yeah bro...people lose hope quicky. I still feel all 3 results are possible and India can still win this game.

:ravi
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No mate. People don’t lose hope until it reaches impossible scenario and a series loss is an inevitable outcome now.
 
Washington is a better batsman than Jadeja and same level bowler on all pitches except turners. I give up on Jadeja now. Disappointed!
 
Ab Fan said:
No mate. People don’t lose hope until it reaches impossible scenario and a series loss is an inevitable outcome now.
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Not quite yet,

If India can avoid follow on there is slim chance of rolling out Saffers quickly and chasing an okish score.

It will be herculean effort but is still possible.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
They are a weaker side than SA for these conditions.

No spinners and their batting is quite old and ropey at the moment.
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Australia did pretty decently on their last tour of India against a far better Indian side.

They got hammered in Nagpur, ran India very close for 2/3 days on a turning track in Delhi, beat them on a rank-turner in Indore. Then India dished out a flat deck in the last test to preserve their series lead in Ahmedabad. 2-1 against that Indian team in India was a very decent result.

As far as the spinners are concerned, they have Lyon, who is one of the best in the biz, they also have Kuhnemann and Todd Murphy, who is emerging as Lyon's successor. Australia have every reason to be confident.
 
I'm amazed at the reasoning of some Indian fans who believe that Bumrah shouldn't come to bat because he'll get "injured".

Just astonishing. It's like Indian fans would rather lose Test matches then see Bumrah go through tough period.
 
It feels like Indian Test team is held hostage in India just like Sri Lanka in Pakistan
 
South Africa should definitely bat again instead of enforcing the follow-on. Still plenty of time left in this test match and pitch is not bad to bat on. Give India 500 to chase and they will capitulate automatically.
 
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