This is not the first time India have been exposed against spin. They lost 3-0 at home to New Zealand too, and we all know what the pitches were like in the last two tests.
It is a lottery but there is calculation and deliberate intent behind ita construction - it doesn't just randomly materialise as a lottery pitch. India calculated that our guys can cope better than theirs. That calculation failed today.
Which games were you watching in the 90s?
Watch the batsmen etting flummoxed by random spinnres like Rajesh chauhan, Nilesh kulkarni, Rahul sanghvi, Venkatpathy raju who partnered kumble.
Actually india didn't after the humiliation from nz..
Good analysis - Redwood Bro, but even decline level Jinks, che pu can play quality spin better than some of the current guys. i think this will be the end of the 'lets spin to win' tactics, the indian media and public wont take kindly to 03 vs nz or this defeat. This surely will mean india will go back to slow, low bounce high scoring pitches -much like in the 2nd test vs windies...and also TBH i'd rate Ajaz patel, Santner much higher than Harmer , before series started, who defo was the difference between the two sides. But now Harmer is a massive threat.
That i agree. Should have opened with Jazz boom and Rav Jadz..
The ball used to spin on the last two test days of the test match but not from day one.
Those were rubbish bowling attacks.
Also Raju was an ordinary spinner? He was no Anil Kumble but of he had the pitches of today, he would be getting more wickets than Jadeja. The guy had a very good armer.
Not really.. Woakes still can see the ball.. with a sprained neck it'll difficult to have proper stance tbh..
Agree - that is the natural nature of Indian pitches. Indian pacers like Bumrah and Siraj are much better at bowling on those types of surfaces than opposition pacers, which gives them an edge. Indian batters are much more comfortable scoring runs on those types of surfaces because they have grown up on similar ones, so really, it's a no-brainer.
Goes back to our exchange of the first day where I had expressed my surprise about the Indian team composition. When you have 4 spinners it is inevitable that one of them will be ignored. This strategy might work in T20s but in tests you’ve got to have specialist players who are either good enough for all formats or play regular FC. Because of T20 some of these roles are dying a silent death but only to the detriment of the national teams. Noman, Sajid and Harmer have amply proved their usefulness and the weight of FC experience over the utility of bits and pieces players. India must realize that post Ashwin, spin might not be their strength, Kuldeep and Jadeja are great bowlers but neither is a test spearhead. They might be better of preparing wickets more conducive to their batting and seam bowling rather than these lottery dust bowls. But if they are insistent on employing this strategy then they should look for specialist FC spinners instead of T20 journeymen. I admit I don’t follow Indian domestic cricket very closely but I can’t think of any such spinners.
Or leaving some grass on the pitch should be a mandatory requirement
They arE nothing special
I think Indian batsmen are just trash vs spin
Not good as a bowling attack barring a few teams. Only individuals back then
He was trash.
Yep
They will be fine. They are just trash vs spinIndia have started to decline in Test format.
Without Siraj and Bumrah, India may lose against many sides in Test.
A lottery is a lottery. Ind( and more recently PK)have taken the lottery option and its led to mixed results for both. Both need better wickets which are slightly tilted to their strengths.
India are better set away from home than at home against SENA teams.
Same thing happened in Cape Town when India beat SA in a lottery wicket.
Exactly, why i said in some threads earlier tht the WTC finals should be a best of 3 , 1 test each played in Swing/seam conditions of NZ/Eng, Pace and bounce of SAF/Aus, Spin favouring low bounce wickets of Indian Subcontinent like conditions....
If Wishful thinking were the currency, you'd not have time to count all your money...India have started to decline in Test format.
Without Siraj and Bumrah, India may lose against many sides in Test.
I dont ever remember a CT wicket being this much of lottery- low scores doesnt always equate to lottery wickets
Agreed. I was one of the first ones to criticize the pitch but come on if you can’t chase 125, 150, etc. at home….
The only match where we chased recently was against Bangladesh. Chasing 140 odd we were 70/7 or something like that and then Jadeja / Ashwin bailed us out.
Wankhede test vs NZ last year also, failed to chase 147 in 4th inning.
Yes. Thanks to Ashwin, Jadeja and I think Axar was also there to save us.
You’ve truly spoken like somebody who’s never seen kumble bowl in a live match. “Over time” he got better and better and could have carried on bowling. The variations were subtle, half a bat either way no more. The dip and flight didn’t need a doctored pitch but he did need good partners. With prasad and srinath he was good with bhaji was deadly but with balaji a dud. There is something lost on the current generation that give primacy of whiteball over red ball cricket where stalwarts of Indian cricket are fading fast from memory. Ipl get rich quick generation of boom boom cricketers can’t stick it out at 1-2 runs an over
It doesn’t work in either.. but the best way is try it out, Washington has the capability to bat.I think Indian team showed hubris by playing Washinton at #3 and playing 6 bowlers.
They have to realize they no longer have Kohli, Pujara, Ashwin, and Rohit. They cannot be funky like before.
Their hubris may work in T20 but unlikely to work in Test.
He is not..Washington is a tail-ender.
In his first 15 test games he has a 100 in Eng and 5 fifties..if that’s equivalent to Naseem and Yasir Shah fine I guess.. batting avg 44.16If you think Washington is not a tail-ender, neither are Dale Steyn, Stuart Broad, Jason Gillespie, Tim Southee, Naseem Shah, Zaheer Khan etc.
Just because a tail-ender can bat doesn't mean he is suitable for #3.
He is better than them,.he is a good bowling all rounderIf you think Washington is not a tail-ender, neither are Dale Steyn, Stuart Broad, Jason Gillespie, Tim Southee, Naseem Shah, Zaheer Khan etc.
Just because a tail-ender can bat doesn't mean he is suitable for #3.
He did ended up as best batsman for India in this test match. Batted longest and scored more than any other Indian player.
smileys today because both of them are South Africans. 
