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Pakistan (378 & 167) thrash South Africa (269 & 183) by 93 runs in the first Test match to lead the 2-match series 1-0

jnaveen1980 said:
Before the pitch started breaking Pakistan racked up 362 runs for 5 on this pitch. Pakistan has lost last 15 wickets for 185 runs. WIll be interesting if SA bats first next match
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Same was said when Pak won the game against England. Next game England won the toss but still lost.

I expect Pakistan to improve their batting in the next game
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Before the pitch started breaking Pakistan racked up 362 runs for 5 on this pitch. Pakistan has lost last 15 wickets for 185 runs. WIll be interesting if SA bats first next match
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Pakistan have just one formula now, make a spinning track and pray that they win toss. On a flat track a good opposition dominates them, on a balanced track again a good opposition has twice the chance and on seamers friendly track no chance at all.
 
The only shock in this game was the lack of reverse swing, I thought it would be more apparent here, however the surface hasn't been as abrasive as others.

A similar wicket for 2nd test however would be fine. The batsmen on both sides need to show better application
 
Ahmed216 said:
Same was said when Pak won the game against England. Next game England won the toss but still lost.

I expect Pakistan to improve their batting in the next game
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England was not exactly squad ready in that series.They didn't know what to expect. If they come next time they will come fully prepared.
 
Ahmed216 said:
Same was said when Pak won the game against England. Next game England won the toss but still lost.

I expect Pakistan to improve their batting in the next game
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Pakistan’s batting in the second innings has become a joke over the past five years or so, regardless of flat or turning tracks.

They collapse out of their own will, irrespective of conditions or the potency of the opposition bowling attack.

Expecting this same lot to improve is a bit much. Surprisingly no one has brought this up yet.
 
Amjid Javed said:
The only shock in this game was the lack of reverse swing, I thought it would be more apparent here, however the surface hasn't been as abrasive as others.

A similar wicket for 2nd test however would be fine. The batsmen on both sides need to show better application
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Why not a sharp turner in pindi and roll them out under 100 runs how about that.
 
Aqib_mustafa said:
Why not a sharp turner in pindi and roll them out under 100 runs how about that.
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That'll backfire badly if PK loses the toss. On these pitches toss matters and batting first has an advantage but its not like the game is unwinnable or anything.

SA fumbled the bad in the 2nd innings and Noman bowled beautifully. If Noman wasnt around, SA would be in a winning position atm.

What im trying to say is that on such pitches it isn't impossible to win if you're batting 2nd.
 
mominsaigol said:
That'll backfire badly if PK loses the toss. On these pitches toss matters and batting first has an advantage but its not like the game is unwinnable or anything.

SA fumbled the bad in the 2nd innings and Noman bowled beautifully. If Noman wasnt around, SA would be in a winning position atm.

What im trying to say is that on such pitches it isn't impossible to win if you're batting 2nd.
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Ya that's right bro noman has been the chief destroyer had he not been here south africa would have won for sure.
 
Why cant pakistan make a pitch thats actually normal, not excessively flat or super spin friendly. A pitch that offers something for seamer as well at least on the first day. These are not naturally spinning tracks.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Before the pitch started breaking Pakistan racked up 362 runs for 5 on this pitch. Pakistan has lost last 15 wickets for 185 runs. WIll be interesting if SA bats first next match
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Toss isn't as big of a factor as you're making it out to be. Pakistan lost the toss against England at Rawalpindi last year too on a very similar pitch but still won the match comfortably. Ultimately it all boils down to the quality of your spin attack and your ability to play spin and Pakistan is ahead of South Africa in both areas. Only thing that can help South Africa is Maharaj coming in and adding some much needed depth to this spin-attack.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Toss isn't as big of a factor as you're making it out to be. Pakistan lost the toss against England at Rawalpindi last year too on a very similar pitch but still won the match comfortably. Ultimately it all boils down to the quality of the spin attack and your ability to play spin and Pakistan is ahead of South Africa in both areas. Only thing that can help South Africa is Maharaj coming in and adding some much needed depth to this spin-attack.
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Maharaj and Harmer may be an equal attack to Sajid and Noman. The next test will be interesting.
 
Devadwal said:
If Bravis had played 145 balls he could have won the match for south africa .

Rickelton is perfect replacement of elgar with similar style of game .

:kp
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First innings lead of 109 was pretty much game over.

Saffers need to win the toss next match or find a way to parity in the first innings even if they lose the toss.

Fourth innings is a foregone conclusion on such pitches.
 
Need to get asap the rest, knowing Pakistan you never know when remaining score is under 100--
 
Noman should be given a bit of break now has bowled almost start of the inning, either Shaheen or Agha should be tried.
 
mominsaigol said:
This is not the strongest sa attack bhai. Idkw you hype them up so much, their past side was better.

The only thing this team knows how to do better then SA of old is dominate in SENA but thats due to understanding SENA conditons better, not cause their stronger.

Im not saying the difference is night and day but the old era is slightly superior in strength.
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This SA attack is very good for sena conditions

Rabada
Nortje/coetze
Burger
Ngidi

If you don’t think this is a brutal pace attack for sena conditions then I have nothing further to say

Been watching since 90s

I would say the bowling attack of theirs at full strength is on par with g smith’s team’s attack and way better than 90s overall attack
 
Love the fighting spirit of SA, clearly now Pakistan are favourites but does Shan has enough experience to engineer a vicotry
 
Pakistan the killing machine

Great win

Congrats bhaijaans

Anyway win the series 2 0

We must thrash SA 2 0 in India as well

We will meet in the final to beat you again. Hopefully.
 
Shaheen bowling at 140 km/hr. The fact he's been used in short sharp minimal bursts has helped.

On this wicket a strike pacer with reasonable speed is helpful.
 
mominsaigol said:
I don't understand what PCB even see in Abdullah tbh? Ik PK is dry on talent but their not that dry? Abdullah is a Nepal level Lower card talent lol.
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He looked good initially, until teams figured flaws in technique. Someone can work with him to overcome this. Till then we need to get Ayub in the side.
 
kron said:
Pakistan the killing machine

Great win

Congrats bhaijaans

Anyway win the series 2 0

We must thrash SA 2 0 in India as well

We will meet in the final to beat you again. Hopefully.
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For that to happen, Pakistsn have to do well on away tours, one is against England's bazballers.
 
The value of reverse swing in both directions at pace. We need to only play pacers with solid reverse swing skills
 
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kron said:
This SA attack is very good for sena conditions

Rabada
Nortje/coetze
Burger
Ngidi

If you don’t think this is a brutal pace attack for sena conditions then I have nothing further to say

Been watching since 90s

I would say the bowling attack of theirs at full strength is on par with g smith’s team’s attack and way better than 90s overall attack
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Pretty good attack but I thought Steyn, Morkel, Philander was probably their best attack

90s they were excellent but it was more about Donald
 
Pakistan should drop Abdullah Shafiq and pick an extra spinner ie Abrar. 2 pace options and 3 proper spin options is the way to go.
 
mango_bite77 said:
He looked good initially, until teams figured flaws in technique. Someone can work with him to overcome this. Till then we need to get Ayub in the side.
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Ayub himself can't buy a run atm. His only upside is that he can bowl but idk how effective his speedy darter style bowling will be on these pitches.

The slower the better
 
Shaheens wickets were icing on the cake man. Just what we wanted to see. Don't mind the uncle spinners but we gotta see stumps flattened occasionally too.

Great stuff from Pakistan
 
Pretty good attack but I thought Steyn, Morkel, Philander was probably their best attack

90s they were excellent but it was more about Donald
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There were Pollock, Fanie De Villiers too. Ntini came in after Fanie's retirement.
 
Savak said:
Pakistan should drop Abdullah Shafiq and pick an extra spinner ie Abrar. 2 pace options and 3 proper spin options is the way to go.
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Agha should bowl more and Saud can chip in too.

Keep the team as is imo it looks quite well balanced
 
A feel-good win by Pakistan. Congratulations to the boys.

Will see what the girls can do later in the afternoon.
 
So the World Test Champions without Bavuma, Bedingham & Maharaj lose the first match they play after being crowned Test Champions back in June.
 
2-0 win would be a good achievement especially with SA having their defending champions tag rn.

1-1 would be same old depressing tale as always.
 
Pakistan should drop hassan ali and make a turner in pindi and play asif afridi pakistan will be even better there with that combination.
 

There were Pollock, Fanie De Villiers too. Ntini came in after Fanie's retirement.
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Yes Pollock too obviously. Fanie de Villiers was alright. I wouldn't put him in the list of elite South African pacers. I don't even think he played that much test cricket.
 
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