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Pakistan (378 & 167) thrash South Africa (269 & 183) by 93 runs in the first Test match to lead the 2-match series 1-0

harshjoshi87 said:
Pretty good attack but I thought Steyn, Morkel, Philander was probably their best attack

90s they were excellent but it was more about Donald
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There were Pollock, Fanie De Villiers too. Ntini came in after Fanie's retirement.
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Yes Pollock too obviously. Fanie de Villiers was alright. I wouldn't put him in the list of elite South African pacers. I don't even think he played that much test cricket.
 
Aqib_mustafa said:
Haha bro want real rank turner have 3 spinners and torture south africa even more
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They'll torture us as well if that happens. This pitch is perfect.

PK juat needs to fix its squad with the following changes

1) Abrar in for Hasan Ali
2) Kamran Ghulam in for Abdullah
3) Shan opening with KG at no 3.

Rest is fine.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
There were Pollock, Fanie De Villiers too. Ntini came in after Fanie's retirement.
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Yes Pollock too obviously. Fanie de Villiers was alright. I wouldn't put him in the list of elite South African pacers. I don't even think he played that much test cricket.
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Fanie single handedly won South Africa 3rd test match in Adelaide in 1993-94 which ensured a drawn series after Australia had won the 1st test.

I agree, Ntini was not on level of Donald & Pollock. But he did his job most of the time.
 
mominsaigol said:
They'll torture us as well if that happens. This pitch is perfect.

PK juat needs to fix its squad with the following changes

1) Abrar in for Hasan Ali
2) Kamran Ghulam in for Abdullah
3) Shan opening with KG at no 3.

Rest is fine.
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Ngl I'll be very dissapointed if Pakistan don't bag 6 out 6 matches vs SA, Bangladesh and WI before they face England.

It is extremely doable and pretty easy infact.
 
Did post yesterday that would be very surprised if SAF get to 225 !
Hopefully similar pitch for next Test & unhygienic Hasan is dumped & a proper 4th bowling option is picked , not someone who has some batting ability !
 
mominsaigol said:
Ayub himself can't buy a run atm. His only upside is that he can bowl but idk how effective his speedy darter style bowling will be on these pitches.

The slower the better
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I still believe it is just a bad phase for him. He should get over it soon. Also he was playing first time in Dubai, which offers very unique and different challenge for a batter who likes to play strokes rather than just nudging it around.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Kamran should come in for next game for Abdullah... Imam and Shan to open...

Hassan should be replaced with Asif Afridi if it is a spin track...
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Two left armers are not the way to go, we need option against lefties. Abrar with his mystery should come in, i think he turns the ball both ways
 
BouncerGuy said:
Kamran should come in for next game for Abdullah... Imam and Shan to open...

Hassan should be replaced with Asif Afridi if it is a spin track...
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Would it be good to make an absolute patta next game to scrape a draw? Or go for the win with a turner albeit riskier

What if pak lose the toss
? Can the boys still win.
 
cricfan432 said:
Two left armers are not the way to go, we need option against lefties. Abrar with his mystery should come in, i think he turns the ball both ways
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We cannot have a walking wicket so Abdullah needs to go...

Imam and Shan have opened before so they should be preferred now...
 
cricfan432 said:
Two left armers are not the way to go, we need option against lefties. Abrar with his mystery should come in, i think he turns the ball both ways
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I think Asif can play here.. He can bat a bit like Noman.. will come in handy...
 
Abdullah Shafique and Hassan Ali are the two weakest links in this test team

Kamran Ghulam can do what Brevis does for RSA.

Abrar Ahmed should replace Hassan Ali

You need a batter who can take on the attack when the going gets tough out in the middle. Even in tests, not every batsman needs to be Tuk Tuk
 
Chikkeh said:
Excellent all round from the boys. Barring any injuries we should go with the same 11 in Pindi. No need to change a winning formula.
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Despite some good suggestions put forward by many here, it is unlikely that they will change a winning combination.

However, I do not always agree with this principle
 
Just get in KG for Hassan Ali. And a similar pitch , even if we lose toss with extra batter we can stay in game.
 
kron said:
Would it be good to make an absolute patta next game to scrape a draw? Or go for the win with a turner albeit riskier

What if pak lose the toss
? Can the boys still win.
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Go for the win.

Even if you lose in the process.

We have bad experience of trying to prepare parts and then getting smashed by bazball. Don't want to go down that route again.
 
This was a decent pitch.

South Africa didn’t surrender, they did ok even though they were playing without their best spinner and their captain.

Toss had a massive impact on this game, hopefully SA wins the toss in next match, we will see a better competition if that happens.
 
kron said:
Would it be good to make an absolute patta next game to scrape a draw? Or go for the win with a turner albeit riskier

What if pak lose the toss
? Can the boys still win.
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Same pitch as here. Not a rank turner but a spin-friendly track

Absolute patta tracks have cost us games in the past

Flat wickets nullify both pace and spin and usually favour the stronger batting team
 
This game was all about the toss. I think South Africa will be very well in next match, especially if they win the toss.
 
Let’s be clear. We are Pak supporters and rejoice at every win. Congrats.
BUT…it’s the toss..the team that bats first has an advantage. The team batting on day 4&5 is at a distinct disadvantage. We collapsed in both innings against a part time spinner. We collapse against any dibbly dobbler if the pitch misbehaves. Just be wary.

Noman and Saj are brilliant but only human. It’s hard to have a long lay off and then come and bowl 60 overs and be expected to do it again in a few days. Pak need to rely on more than a handful of players to win consistently
 
Pakistan crush WTC Champions South Africa by 93 runs in Lahore

Pakistan took a 1-0 lead in the two-match Test series with a commanding 93-run win over ICC World Test Champions South Africa on Day 4 at Gaddafi Stadium. The result snapped South Africa’s streak of 10 consecutive Test victories and marked Pakistan’s third straight home win against them.

Chasing 277 to win, South Africa were bundled out for 183 in their second innings. Noman Ali starred with match figures of 10 for 191, claiming his third Test ten-for, while Shaheen Shah Afridi (4-33) and Sajid Khan (2-38) provided crucial support.

Resuming at 51-2, South Africa lost Tony de Zorzi in the first over to Shaheen, followed by Tristan Stubbs and Dewald Brevis to Noman’s relentless spin. Brevis top-scored with a brisk 54, but the collapse continued as Sajid removed Rickelton before lunch and trapped Muthusamy lbw after the break. Shaheen then cleaned up the tail in a fiery burst, dismissing Verreynne, Subrayen, and Rabada in quick succession.

Pakistan’s first innings total of 378 was built around fifties from Imam ul Haq, Salman Ali Agha, Shan Masood, and Mohammad Rizwan. Despite a middle-order wobble in the second innings, their bowlers ensured a comfortable finish.

The second Test begins on October 20 in Rawalpindi, followed by a six-match white-ball series featuring three T20Is and three ODIs.

Scores in Brief:

Pakistan won by 93 runs

Pakistan: 378 & 167

South Africa: 269 & 183

Player of the Match: Noman Ali (10-191)
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Abid Z said:
Let’s be clear. We are Pak supporters and rejoice at every win. Congrats.
BUT…it’s the toss..the team that bats first has an advantage. The team batting on day 4&5 is at a distinct disadvantage. We collapsed in both innings against a part time spinner. We collapse against any dibbly dobbler if the pitch misbehaves. Just be wary.

Noman and Saj are brilliant but only human. It’s hard to have a long lay off and then come and bowl 60 overs and be expected to do it again in a few days. Pak need to rely on more than a handful of players to win consistently
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England won the toss and batted first at Rawalpindi last year too. Ultimately it's about the quality of your spin-attack and the ability of your batting line-up to play spin.
 
Zeshan547 said:
Just get in KG for Hassan Ali. And a similar pitch , even if we lose toss with extra batter we can stay in game.
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If you can't rely on 7 specialist batsmen to score runs then you shouldn't be playing test cricket. 8 specialist batsmen is nuts. Even on a minefield no side would select a team like that
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
If you can't rely on 7 specialist batsmen to score runs then you shouldn't be playing test cricket. 8 specialist batsmen is nuts. Even on a minefield no side would select a team like that
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And also 8 9 must know how to hit, hold the bat and swing

Warne and brett Lee used to do that

So no excuses

Applies to all teams
 
Abid Z said:
Let’s be clear. We are Pak supporters and rejoice at every win. Congrats.
BUT…it’s the toss..the team that bats first has an advantage. The team batting on day 4&5 is at a distinct disadvantage. We collapsed in both innings against a part time spinner. We collapse against any dibbly dobbler if the pitch misbehaves. Just be wary.

Noman and Saj are brilliant but only human. It’s hard to have a long lay off and then come and bowl 60 overs and be expected to do it again in a few days. Pak need to rely on more than a handful of players to win consistently
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The impact of toss is one of the perennial problems with cricket though, particularly in Asia.

I think you can predict with 70%-80% accuracy where a non Asian team loses the toss in Asia, they will lose the match.
 
Congratulations Pakistan.🎉

I didn’t watch the match but it seems like it was a good toss to win and bat in first session on first day. After that I think SA played well and they even had better score in second innings.
 
Pakistan need an extra full time reliable spinner in the side, the bowling workload is too much for Noman and Sajid, a third spinner is necessary to give either of the two a breather and a respite if they are having a bad spell, Abrar will be a good addition as that will give the team three very different spin options. We are playing one extra batsman for nothing.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
If you can't rely on 7 specialist batsmen to score runs then you shouldn't be playing test cricket. 8 specialist batsmen is nuts. Even on a minefield no side would select a team like that
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But regardless of traditions talk about practical usage, on such pitches where winning and lose margins can be so fine, those even 30 are 40 extra potential runs in both inning by that 8th batsman can be the difference, plus with our current combo Hasan Ali is mere spectator , without much need and impact, plus batting is our weakest link. For bowling on such pitches , Nami and Sajid, plus agha and Shaheen / Khuram are more than enough.
 
Zeshan547 said:
But regardless of traditions talk about practical usage, on such pitches where winning and lose margins can be so fine, those even 30 are 40 extra potential runs in both inning by that 8th batsman can be the difference, plus with our current combo Hasan Ali is mere spectator , without much need and impact, plus batting is our weakest link. For bowling on such pitches , Nami and Sajid, plus agha and Shaheen / Khuram are more than enough.
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What's practical about playing 3 specialist bowlers? Name one instance in recent history where a team played a test match with 3 specialist bowlers?

The fourth bowler may not have picked up any wickets but he did give the spinners some much needed rest when he bowled his spells.
 
Savak said:
Pakistan need an extra full time reliable spinner in the side, the bowling workload is too much for Noman and Sajid, a third spinner is necessary to give either of the two a breather and a respite if they are having a bad spell, Abrar will be a good addition as that will give the team three very different spin options. We are playing one extra batsman for nothing.
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You can't drop the extra batter for a bowler. That makes the batting much weaker. There should be someone with decent batting ability at 7. Even if it's an all-rounder.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
What's practical about playing 3 specialist bowlers? Name one instance in recent history where a team played a test match with 3 specialist bowlers?

The fourth bowler may not have picked up any wickets but he did give the spinners some much needed rest when he bowled his spells.
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But why would you play that 4th bowler if he will not bowl even 10 overs across both innings just for the sake of it and will not even pick a single wicket most likely.
 
South Africa skipper after losing to Pakistan in the Test series opener:

South Africa’s stand-in captain Aiden Markram reflected on his team’s fighting spirit despite the series-opening defeat to Pakistan, saying he was proud of the effort and intent shown by his players throughout the Test.

“I wouldn’t say the toss made much difference,” Markram said. “In an ideal world, you’d like to bat first, but conditions were tricky throughout. Maybe the first session or two were decent for batting, but after that, it got tough. There were moments where if we’d grabbed momentum, the result could’ve been different. So no, I don’t think the toss decided this game.”

Reflecting on Pakistan’s first-innings partnerships, the Proteas captain gave credit where it was due.

“You’ve got to acknowledge the partnerships between Shan and Imam, and then Rizwan and Salman. We thought we bowled well and had solid plans, but they played the sweep really effectively and made it difficult to contain runs. Instead of going at twos or threes, we went at fours, and that adds up across a long game.”

Despite the loss, Markram said the team’s resilience was something to be proud of.

“We always pride ourselves on fighting to the end — never throwing in the towel. Even when things get tough, we believe the impossible is still achievable. We weren’t on the right side this time, but the effort and attitude were there, and that’s something that keeps the changeroom positive.”

On whether the conditions or team balance played a role, he added:

“Conditions were pretty much what we expected. The toss is out of your control — you come to win the game, not the toss. We have to find ways to win regardless. Maybe in Pindi, conditions will be similar, and it’s on us to adapt better.”

Discussing the contrasting batting approaches of Ryan Rickelton and Dewald Brevis, Markram said both styles have their place.

“Brevis is naturally attacking — that’s when he’s at his best — while Rickelton backs his defence and builds from there. They’re different methods, but both can succeed here. What matters is committing to your approach.”

When asked about the bowling attack and whether an extra pacer might have helped, he replied:

“Kagiso bowled beautifully and probably didn’t get the rewards he deserved. That’s cricket. We’ll review and see if there’s room for another seamer, but we also back our spin options — especially with Keshav back. It’ll depend on conditions.”

As for the team’s first defeat after a solid run in the World Test Championship, Markram said there was no added pressure in leading the side.

“Not pressure, but definitely responsibility. You can’t win every game. We had our plans, gave our all, and just came out second-best. Sometimes you tip your hat to the opposition and move forward. We’ll regroup and focus on the second Test.”

Markram admitted the match had several turning points rather than one decisive moment.

“You can’t really point to one turning point. It’s often small moments that swing things. We need to identify and win those moments next time. Batting here isn’t easy, but it’s not impossible either — as some guys showed. We just have to handle those tough periods better.”

On the return of Keshav Maharaj, he confirmed:

“The plan is for Kesh to play the second Test. That’s why he’s here. Hopefully, the medical team clears him, and he’s good to go.”

He also praised debutants Tony de Zorzi and Dane Piedt for their contributions.

“I’m really happy for them. They’ve worked incredibly hard behind the scenes, planning and preparing to succeed wherever they play. To come here and perform like that is a big feather in their cap, and it’ll give them massive confidence.”

Finally, when asked about the spin from Day 1, Markram said:

“We expected it to spin — that’s what we prepared for. Maybe it started turning a bit earlier than we thought, but there were no surprises. We were ready for it.”
 
Solid win from Pakistan and that was a pretty good pitch to be honest. Batters were vulnerable early on but once you they got set, a lot of batsmen were able to make decent runs.

Great to see reverse swing come into play as well. People were criticizing why Shaheen was picked over Khurram and it was for this. He got it to reverse an took important wickets. Continue building wickets like this to trouble SENA teams.

Overall, batters did well but gave some life to SA when it wasn't required in both innings. A lot of collapses trying to hit big when it wasn't necessary. I don't think we need to emulate some sort of bazball when we don't have the players to execute it. Just play your game and don't try to force runs when it's not there. Test matches are ending days in advance anyways so no need to up the run rate when there isn't a requirement for it.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
This was a decent pitch.

South Africa didn’t surrender, they did ok even though they were playing without their best spinner and their captain.

Toss had a massive impact on this game, hopefully SA wins the toss in next match, we will see a better competition if that happens.
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Naw SA will likely win the toss if they have everyone + toss advantage.

Won't be competitive. Better for PK to win the toss first but face SA at full bowling strength.

It'll be interesting to see how PK handles proper spinners.
 
Nasty Naz said:
Solid win from Pakistan and that was a pretty good pitch to be honest. Batters were vulnerable early on but once you they got set, a lot of batsmen were able to make decent runs.

Great to see reverse swing come into play as well. People were criticizing why Shaheen was picked over Khurram and it was for this. He got it to reverse an took important wickets. Continue building wickets like this to trouble SENA teams.

Overall, batters did well but gave some life to SA when it wasn't required in both innings. A lot of collapses trying to hit big when it wasn't necessary. I don't think we need to emulate some sort of bazball when we don't have the players to execute it. Just play your game and don't try to force runs when it's not there. Test matches are ending days in advance anyways so no need to up the run rate when there isn't a requirement for it.
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What a great and well informed post bro keep it up ya Pakistan were giving away their wickets in the name of showing intent had they played normal cricket victory margin would have been even bigger
 
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