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India vs New Zealand | WT20 Super 10's | 15th March, 2016 | Nagpur | Match Thread

Aman said:
That delivery from Jadeja took off.

I mean WTH.

Curator deserves to be warned after this game.
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Yeah, that was extra bounce and turn [emoji27][emoji27]


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Don't worry guys. If anything, India is at a disadvantage here after losing the toss on a turning pitch.
 
Blaming the pitch is sour grapes.

This is ICC tournament and you should be ready for every type of pitch.

Cant just have flatsies.
 
Difficult pitch,definitely batting second will mean extra 30 runs of pressure,best thing Kiwis could ask for
 
mp812rediff said:
If it is flat pitch, people complain only If India win.
If it turns, Again complain.
If Indian wins on seamers helpful wicket like in asia cup, they complain.
Basically its not the pitch, its the India win that is eye sore.
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Don't think that's true. Everyone applauded India for beating Bang in the first game with the tough conditions. Also, for running through Pakistan and surviving Amir's onslaught.
 
Aman said:
Are you watching the game?

Ball turning square and inconsistent bounce (Jadeja getting one to take off from a length while pacers struggle to get it above the stumps).

This is not a T20 standard pitch.
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What's a standard pitch? You weren't complaining when there were green pitches in Asia cup and teams were getting bowled out for 80. I'm glad it's not flatfest anymore. Batsmen have been getting their way for a while and it's time the bowlers get some advantage.
 
Curious how Kohli would face Bumrah here. Wouldn't standing a bit further down the pitch help negate the yorkers? It would potentially turn them into low full tosses.
 
This was the same pitch where Scotland made 116 apparently which was chased by Afghans easily.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
Blaming the pitch is sour grapes.

This is ICC tournament and you should be ready for every type of pitch.

Cant just have flatsies.
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This isn't a T20 pitch, fair enough if India beat us but c'mon.

Are you really going to play wickets on pitches like this? It's NZ or Aus hosting a WT20 on green tops, SC sides would be filthy.
 
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Bumrrah is not just about bouncers and Yorkers, he has good variations too
 
This is basically Malinga version2 from Bumrah .He just needs to develop that full toss slower ball to complete the set
 
IcedCoffee said:
Curious how Kohli would face Bumrah here. Wouldn't standing a bit further down the pitch help negate the yorkers? It would potentially turn them into low full tosses.
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Bowler bowls with respect to where the batsmen's feet are not where the base of the stumps are.
 
Bumrah mixing up his yorkers with slower deliveries well. At last we seem to have found a good death ball bowler .... happy tears :sreesanth
 
Another good of over by Bumrah!!


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IcedCoffee said:
Curious how Kohli would face Bumrah here. Wouldn't standing a bit further down the pitch help negate the yorkers? It would potentially turn them into low full tosses.
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Its Bumrah s action that is confusing these batsmen. Can't predict length that easily.
 
IcedCoffee said:
Don't think that's true. Everyone applauded India for beating Bang in the first game with the tough conditions. Also, for running through Pakistan and surviving Amir's onslaught.
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Na man. I think he's got it right. I remember everyone complaining about green pitches in Asia cup and how it's not suited for T20s. Batsmen should be good enough to play spin, seam. If they don't, they are just not good enough.
 
Was Rohit Sharma right? May be...juat may be...Bumrah is indeed better than Amir? :murali

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Its not a T20 standard pitch and there is no doubt about it but Kiwis have not batted that great as well.
 
rhony said:
What's a standard pitch? You weren't complaining when there were green pitches in Asia cup and teams were getting bowled out for 80. I'm glad it's not flatfest anymore. Batsmen have been getting their way for a while and it's time the bowlers get some advantage.
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Standard pitch is one where you know the bounce is consistent, you know how high it's going to be when it's pitched on a certain length.
 
Aman said:
This isn't a T20 pitch, fair enough if India beat us but c'mon.

Are you really going to play wickets on pitches like this? It's NZ or Aus hosting a WT20 on green tops, SC sides would be filthy.
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Would have been more that happy with some helpful wickets in last world cup instead of the 400 runs roads Australia served tbh.
 
JaDed said:
Its not a T20 standard pitch and there is no doubt about it but Kiwis have not batted that great as well.
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No doubt we've been rubbish with the bat, but it's asking quite a bit for players to play their shots on a pitch you have no idea what's going to happen.
 
IcedCoffee said:
Curious how Kohli would face Bumrah here. Wouldn't standing a bit further down the pitch help negate the yorkers? It would potentially turn them into low full tosses.
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Bumrah like Malinga doesn't target stumps. He targets the batter's boots. It doesn't matter much if you stand outside. He will bowl the yorkers at your feet and it appears, he's very consistent doing so
 
Aman said:
This isn't a T20 pitch, fair enough if India beat us but c'mon.

Are you really going to play wickets on pitches like this? It's NZ or Aus hosting a WT20 on green tops, SC sides would be filthy.
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AUS never produces green tops except for Brisbane at times. It's mostly hard and bouncy tracks which off late have become batting friendly :mc
 
Aman said:
This isn't a T20 pitch, fair enough if India beat us but c'mon.

Are you really going to play wickets on pitches like this? It's NZ or Aus hosting a WT20 on green tops, SC sides would be filthy.
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You mean like this:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGs-zi1VOT8
 
Aman said:
Are you watching the game?

Ball turning square and inconsistent bounce (Jadeja getting one to take off from a length while pacers struggle to get it above the stumps).

This is not a T20 standard pitch.
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Newzealand had the chance to ball first on this. Did the captain not see the pitch before making the decision? In that case, he is absolutely incompetent and deserves to lose the game anyway. Secondly, India will be batting on the same pitch and it will allow NZ to take advantage of an even more deteriorated pitch.

What are you exactly complaining about?
 
Syed1 said:
Bowler bowls with respect to where the batsmen's feet are not where the base of the stumps are.
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I think he's bowling with a set point/length on the pitch in mind. At least when it comes to the yorkers.
 
I already said I don't have a problem with the Asia Cup pitches because the matches were entertaining. And batsmen like Kohli, Rohit and Shabbir showed that with proper application there were runs to be made on the pitch. Too bad most batsmen got intimidated by the pace and bounce and gave their wickets away. But this is a terrible, terrible pitch and regardless of how many balls you face batsmen are still mistiming shots. It's terrible to watch as a neutral and T20s should be entertaining. Doesn't mean it has to be ridiculously high-scoring, a bowler friendly match can be just as entertaining but don't be fooled into thinking that this is good bowling - look at the amount of extras. So no hypocrisy here regardless of what certain Indian posters might feel. Indians should stop getting so defensive and just call things out as they are once in a while.
 
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I'm not a fan of low and slow wickets personally.

But let's face it.

If India dominate on flat tracks, people will be like BCCI prepared the wicket specifically for Indian FTBs.

If it's a turning one, BCCI tampered the pitch to suit their spinners.

If India dominate on seaming wickets, it was because the pitch eased up.

India can win deservingly only on green mambas anyway. BCCI should take note.
 
Aman said:
No doubt we've been rubbish with the bat, but it's asking quite a bit for players to play their shots on a pitch you have no idea what's going to happen.
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True also i guess both the captains didn't read the pitch well also can't blame KW for it,Dhoni thought it was great for batting as well.
 
Aman said:
Standard pitch is one where you know the bounce is consistent, you know how high it's going to be when it's pitched on a certain length.
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The pitch is slow but not that low. You can't expect the balls at chest high in subcontinent conditions. NZ just didn't seem to have a plan while batting
 
rhony said:
The pitch is slow but not that low. You can't expect the balls at chest high in subcontinent conditions. NZ just didn't seem to have a plan while batting
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Mate, Jadeja had a few take off from a length when some of your pacers couldn't get it stump high when pitched back of a length.
 
120 is a decent score on this turning pitch. It will be a bit easier for Indians because they know the target. NZ lost the plot when they were targetting too high a score here
 
Mustafizur will outbowl Burmah and Amir on such pitches for sure!!
 
Aman said:
Mate, Jadeja had a few take off from a length when some of your pacers couldn't get it stump high when pitched back of a length.
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That's because they were bowling yorkers dude...
 
Masterzz said:
Lol imagine India Struggling on thr on own Pitch.. Jinx Post don't hate lol :p
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If it is a spinners paradise, I wonder why Ashwin gave 35 and Jadeja 25 in their 4 overs.
I also wonder how Bumrah bowled his for 15 while Raina a part time spinner bowled 4 for 15.
Could it be possible, that bowlers bowled to plan and bowled well?
Nah thats not possible, after all it is Indian bowlers right?????
 
Why aren't these guys looking to hit big shots ? WTH is wrong with them ? Should have taken more risk to get those extra runs.
 
rhony said:
120 is a decent score on this turning pitch. It will be a bit easier for Indians because they know the target. NZ lost the plot when they were targetting too high a score here
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True they could had easily adjusted after they saw the bounce but looks like they were not at all prepared for any other way of playing,a settled batsmen like Anderson played a crap shot against a predictable ball.
 
street cricketer said:
i'm not a fan of low and slow wickets personally.

But let's face it.

If india dominate on flat tracks, people will be like bcci prepared the wicket specifically for indian ftbs.

If it's a turning one, bcci tampered the pitch to suit their spinners.

If india dominate on seaming wickets, it was because the pitch eased up.

India can win deservingly only on green mambas anyway. Bcci should take note.
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:p
 
Aman said:
This isn't a T20 pitch, fair enough if India beat us but c'mon.

Are you really going to play wickets on pitches like this? It's NZ or Aus hosting a WT20 on green tops, SC sides would be filthy.
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Aus vs Nz in group match was a green top, no one complained then.

Pak vs India in Asia Cup Was a green top, but it was accepted.

Now ONE pitch so far has been a dustbowl, and all the KNIVES are out ?

You might even still win...
 
Did anyone notice,this is another stunning bowling show by India? 6.5 RPO is great
 
Aman said:
Whether India go on to win or not doesn't change the fact this is a terrible T20 wicket.
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I am not talking about win, I am talking about batting well, what will be your excuse if India bats well on this wicket
 
Aman said:
Back of a length, not yorker length.
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My bad. It's not as if back of a length balls hit the batsman's shin or knees. The bounce is not uneven. It's just lower than your standards and is slower. That's how turning wickets behave
 
Aman said:
Are you watching the game?

Ball turning square and inconsistent bounce (Jadeja getting one to take off from a length while pacers struggle to get it above the stumps).

This is not a T20 standard pitch.
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I think you are reading something that's not there..when did pacers struggled to get it above the stumps?
 
Dios said:
I already said I don't have a problem with the Asia Cup pitches because the matches were entertaining. And batsmen like Kohli, Rohit and Shabbir showed that with proper application there were runs to be made on the pitch. Too bad most batsmen got intimidated by the pace and bounce and gave their wickets away. But this is a terrible, terrible pitch and regardless of how many balls you face batsmen are still mistiming shots. It's terrible to watch as a neutral and T20s should be entertaining. Doesn't mean it has to be ridiculously high-scoring, a bowler friendly match can be just as entertaining but don't be fooled into thinking that this is good bowling - look at the amount of extras. So no hypocrisy here regardless of what certain Indian posters might feel. Indians should stop getting so defensive and just call things out as they are once in a while.
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Dude, it's common sense when you are coming to India and playing in venues like Nagpur during summer(central India) you should know how to approach on these pitches. NZ won the toss and saw what was on offer, still they chose to go all out attack in initial overs and lost the plot.

Once again ICC monitors the pitches, I rest my case after this post.
 
rhony said:
Na man. I think he's got it right. I remember everyone complaining about green pitches in Asia cup and how it's not suited for T20s. Batsmen should be good enough to play spin, seam. If they don't, they are just not good enough.
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Perhaps, but frankly I prefer more batting tracks for T20. However yes, batsmen should be able to adapt to each. NZ were a bit too eager to score freely which caught them off guard.
 
Nehra is the worst death bowler 2 full tosses absolute tool at times.
 
mp812rediff said:
If it is a spinners paradise, I wonder why Ashwin gave 35 and Jadeja 25 in their 4 overs.
I also wonder how Bumrah bowled his for 15 while Raina a part time spinner bowled 4 for 15.
Could it be possible, that bowlers bowled to plan and bowled well?
Nah thats not possible, after all it is Indian bowlers right?????
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lol I was talking about when they come out to bat but good Theory tho!
 
Pitch has eased by the end of the innings. Should be easy for Indian batsmen now. :P
 
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