India well ahead of Pakistan in physical sports and yet far behind in producing fast bowlers - Why?

[Bhaijaan]

Share with your bhaijaan how things are the way they are.

When it comes to manly sports where strength means a lot India has always had the edge over Pakistan. Sports like :-

Weightlifting
Wrestling
Boxing
Throwing
Kabaddi
Rugby



India’s army also holds a superior win record against Pakistan army.

In sledging also, Navjot Sidhu, Gautam Gambhir have proved that Indian cricketers are always fearless and up for a fight when need be.


Yet when it comes to fast bowling we remain miserably behind our little neighbours. It is embarrassing and a matter of shame for India.

People often give excuses like genetically Indians are weaker and shorter compared to Pakistanis. If that is really true than why is it that India is so well ahead in other physical sports and overall as a sporting nation also.

This needs to be understood at a deeper level.

Share your thoughts with Bhaijaan.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

Share with your bhaijaan how things are the way they are.

When it comes to manly sports where strength means a lot India has always had the edge over Pakistan. Sports like :-

Weightlifting
Wrestling
Boxing
Throwing
Kabaddi
Rugby



India’s army also holds a superior win record against Pakistan army.

In sledging also, Navjot Sidhu, Gautam Gambhir have proved that Indian cricketers are always fearless and up for a fight when need be.


Yet when it comes to fast bowling we remain miserably behind our little neighbours. It is embarrassing and a matter of shame for India.

People often give excuses like genetically Indians are weaker and shorter compared to Pakistanis. If that is really true than why is it that India is so well ahead in other physical sports and overall as a sporting nation also.

This needs to be understood at a deeper level.

Share your thoughts with Bhaijaan.

These are not excuses bro......

 

[AMSS]

This is a scientific puzzle but one that has been resolved by researchers at NCA, Lahore, led by eminent scientist Aquib Javed. Beef is your answer.

 

[ataullah]

No anymore. India upcoming bowlers are even better than us now. We not got 1 youngster bowling as quickly as nagarkoti

 

[pakistani pride]

Your whole post / thread makes 0 sense when you mention GAUTAM GAMBHIR being fearless LOL. He is a midget.

In fact most Indians players have been and are. No intimidating at all...

 

[Bhaijaan]

How come Indian wrestlers, weight lifters, athletes are superior if beef is the reason. Beef isn’t a big part of even non vegetarian Indians and yet they dominate Pakistan in athleticism and strength sports.

Fast bowling is an anomaly.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Your whole post / thread makes 0 sense when you mention GAUTAM GAMBHIR being fearless LOL. He is a midget.

In fact most Indians players have been and are. No intimidating at all...

Ishant Sharma is very wild.

 

[Bhaijaan]

No anymore. India upcoming bowlers are even better than us now. We not got 1 youngster bowling as quickly as nagarkoti

155kph bowlers

Pakistan - Akhtar, Waqar, Sami, Zahid, Wahab

India - None

 

[Titan24]

Share with your bhaijaan how things are the way they are.

When it comes to manly sports where strength means a lot India has always had the edge over Pakistan. Sports like :-

Weightlifting
Wrestling
Boxing
Throwing
Kabaddi
Rugby



India’s army also holds a superior win record against Pakistan army.

In sledging also, Navjot Sidhu, Gautam Gambhir have proved that Indian cricketers are always fearless and up for a fight when need be.


Yet when it comes to fast bowling we remain miserably behind our little neighbours. It is embarrassing and a matter of shame for India.

People often give excuses like genetically Indians are weaker and shorter compared to Pakistanis. If that is really true than why is it that India is so well ahead in other physical sports and overall as a sporting nation also.

This needs to be understood at a deeper level.

Share your thoughts with Bhaijaan.

Our wrestler won gold in common wealth by beating the opponent 6-0.
Our Boxer Muhammad Wasim from Quetta is a professional boxer and held WBC title.
Kabaddi is always contested closely between two nations

 

[AMSS]

Our wrestler won gold in common wealth by beating the opponent 6-0.
Our Boxer Muhammad Wasim from Quetta is a professional boxer and held WBC title.
Kabaddi is always contested closely between two nations

India has a 13-0 win record against pakistan in kabaddi including 8 wins in Asian games.

Doesn't sound like 'closely contested' to me.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Our wrestler won gold in common wealth by beating the opponent 6-0.
Our Boxer Muhammad Wasim from Quetta is a professional boxer and held WBC title.
Kabaddi is always contested closely between two nations

Pakistan is India’s regular punching bag in Kabaddi. Our boys have more speed and natural strength compared to inflated jacked up balloons you send to kabaddi events bro.

At wrestling India is far far superior. India has Olympic medal winners in a wrestling. Sushil Kumar and Yogeshwar Dutt stand among the best in the world.

Wherever strength and athleticism involved India beats Pakistan by a big margin. But we never understood why it’s not the same in fast bowling and it breaks our heart and saddens us.

 

[Azeem Zafar]

Share with your bhaijaan how things are the way they are.

When it comes to manly sports where strength means a lot India has always had the edge over Pakistan. Sports like :-

Weightlifting
Wrestling
Boxing
Throwing
Kabaddi
Rugby



India’s army also holds a superior win record against Pakistan army.

In sledging also, Navjot Sidhu, Gautam Gambhir have proved that Indian cricketers are always fearless and up for a fight when need be.


Yet when it comes to fast bowling we remain miserably behind our little neighbours. It is embarrassing and a matter of shame for India.

People often give excuses like genetically Indians are weaker and shorter compared to Pakistanis. If that is really true than why is it that India is so well ahead in other physical sports and overall as a sporting nation also.

This needs to be understood at a deeper level.

Share your thoughts with Bhaijaan.

India dominance over Pakistan in these sports has nothing to do with manliness or genes. Fact is that India prepare their athelets much better than Pakistan for international competitions. They spend a lot of money, have way better sports management culture than ours & people actually care about medals tally in Olympics or Commonwealths. You can't even imagine how bad things are in Pakistan when it comes to sports other than Cricket. Back in 1960,70s when India used to care much less about these sports, they were lagging behind Pakistan in many international competitions despite of a huge difference in population. Similarly Indian army's superior performance against Pakistan has more to do with strategic victories than the skillset.

 

[Sidilicious]

Our wrestler won gold in common wealth by beating the opponent 6-0.
Our Boxer Muhammad Wasim from Quetta is a professional boxer and held WBC title.
Kabaddi is always contested closely between two nations

tbh, India was the most successful team in the commonwealth games in Wrestling and Weightlifting and 2nd best in Boxing behind England. We won 5 golds in Weightlifting and Wrestling and 3 in boxing.

India has also won each and every gold medal in kabaddi in asian games.

So I don't think the issue is related. Its mainly due to what gets funding and attention. I can see us producing fast bowlers bowling 145k+ on a consistent basis now.

 

[babajee]

No anymore. India upcoming bowlers are even better than us now. We not got 1 youngster bowling as quickly as nagarkoti

Bhai pace isn’t everything. Hasan is the best bowler from both sides of the border and he operates between 140-145

 

[BreadPakoda]

Pakistan is India’s regular punching bag in Kabaddi. Our boys have more speed and natural strength compared to inflated jacked up balloons you send to kabaddi events bro.

At wrestling India is far far superior. India has Olympic medal winners in a wrestling. Sushil Kumar and Yogeshwar Dutt stand among the best in the world.

Wherever strength and athleticism involved India beats Pakistan by a big margin. But we never understood why it’s not the same in fast bowling and it breaks our heart and saddens us.

What you see from Pakistan is raw talent. Indian players perform well due to their hardwork. If Pakistanis start taking their practice seriously and get good funding they will decimate Indians even in Kabaddi, wrestling etc.

The talent gulf is so vast when it comes to fast bowling that any amount of money, practice or chyawanprash cannot help the Dindas and Sharduls reach the level of their Pakistani counterparts.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Bhai pace isn’t everything. Hasan is the best bowler from both sides of the border and he operates between 140-145

Hassan is the best loi bowler.
Shami is the best test bowler.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Indian big men have also reached WWE. Pakistan has no match to the Great Khali. They never had a guy of the size and stature of Great Khali.

Apart from Great Khali India has also big men like Jinder Mahal and Tiger Jeet Singh who are all 6'6" and above and ferocious looking men.

Pakistan's answer to that is little Mustafa Ali which is a shame. [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION]

 

[Rahul1]

Indian big men have also reached WWE. Pakistan has no match to the Great Khali. They never had a guy of the size and stature of Great Khali.

Apart from Great Khali India has also big men like Jinder Mahal and Tiger Jeet Singh who are all 6'6" and above and ferocious looking men.

Pakistan's answer to that is little Mustafa Ali which is a shame. [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION]

Plus in the womens wrestling we also have Kavita Devi.

 

[Send1983]

Bhaijaan has opened this thread to gloat about our superiority in wrestling, Kabadi, etc than really finding the answer why we are not as good as Pak in fast bowling.

 

[troodon]

Its the culture.

Pak batsmen are inferior overall to Indian counterparts. They cannot hit big shots like Indian batsmen. So are they weaker than Indian batsmen?

If you do not have role models to look up to, it will be hard to produce new talent. Pak always had legends in fast bowling department and I am sure youngsters want to bowl like Wasim or Waqar or Shoaib and knock the middle stump out of the ground. Kids think those guys are super heroes and try to emulate them.

Similarly in India, we have Sahcin cult. Every kid wants to bat like him and emulate him. The likes of Kohli and the youngster Shaw are a direct impact of Sachin.

 

[Gubol123]

It is more about sports culture and what the kids want to do. Batting well makes one a superstar and kids want to do it. If fast bowling makes them superstars tomorrow they will do it. The is already happening by the looks of IPL and the number of 140+ plying their trade

 

[sshakir411]

Indians lack aggression to be fast bowlers.

 

[cricketworm]

India was, not is.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

How many of your athletes (not cricket) have been found to be doping and how many Pakistani?..... you might find the answer for your query there...

Even during these CW games, they recovered "needles" from your athletes.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Something to help you along....

Exclusive: Weightlifting - Russia, India among nations to lose Olympic spots in doping clampdown

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUKKBN1HJ2FS

 

[Kaptan]

How many of your athletes (not cricket) have been found to be doping and how many Pakistani?..... you might find the answer for your query there...

Even during these CW games, they recovered "needles" from your athletes.

So according to you doping is the reason behind India's success and Pakistan's failure?
Let me remind you The fastest bowler in the world Shoibh Akthar was a regular offender and was also banned by ICC along with Mohd. Asif. So according to your logic "Pak bowlers bowl faster because of drugs and without drugs Shoibh Akthar and Ashok Dinda are same."

And by the way no Indian was found doping during CWG games.

 

[Hasan123]

India are producing decent bowlers. But I think a reason why India haven't produced top quality bowlers is because they never had a bowler who could inspire a generation like Wasim did. India produce top batsmen so it swings in roundabouts.

 

[Mp812]

This is a scientific puzzle but one that has been resolved by researchers at NCA, Lahore, led by eminent scientist Aquib Javed. Beef is your answer.

By that beef logic Bangladesh should have had Ambrose and Marshall already....or if nothing else USA should have had fastest bowlers ever

 

[StreetSmart]

Share with your bhaijaan how things are the way they are.

When it comes to manly sports where strength means a lot India has always had the edge over Pakistan. Sports like :-

Weightlifting
Wrestling
Boxing
Throwing
Kabaddi
Rugby



India’s army also holds a superior win record against Pakistan army.

In sledging also, Navjot Sidhu, Gautam Gambhir have proved that Indian cricketers are always fearless and up for a fight when need be.


Yet when it comes to fast bowling we remain miserably behind our little neighbours. It is embarrassing and a matter of shame for India.

People often give excuses like genetically Indians are weaker and shorter compared to Pakistanis. If that is really true than why is it that India is so well ahead in other physical sports and overall as a sporting nation also.

This needs to be understood at a deeper level.

Share your thoughts with Bhaijaan.

why is it the matter of shame ? does everything need to be at so extream?

 

[saintgrace]

https://sports.ndtv.com/commonwealth-games-2018/medals-tally

India 66
Gold 26
Silver 20
Bronze 20

Pakistan 6
Gold 1
Silver 0
Bronze 4

India got more gold than bronze.

Top 3 spot for india. More medals than Canada, South africa, New zealand.

This self hate of indians are pity at it's best or is this a bait thread for Pakistanis to gloat ?

 

[Dingolfy]

How come Indian wrestlers, weight lifters, athletes are superior if beef is the reason. Beef isn’t a big part of even non vegetarian Indians and yet they dominate Pakistan in athleticism and strength sports.

Fast bowling is an anomaly.

Not exactly. Mallus and North-easterners eat plenty of beef and also produce some of best athletes and sportsmen India has ever seen.
Cricket was mostly been an upper-middle class ,city-based sport till recently whereas all other sports had strong and aggressive rural kids.Middle class City boys are generally not so aggressive mentally and physically to be fast bowlers.
Now that is changing as we have good infrastructure and coaching everywhere. Hence, we will see more fast bowlers coming up.

 

[squarecut]

What is the definition of a fast bowler ? Someone bowling at 150 kmph is fast but someone bowling at 145 is not ? Look at the final record of the bowler as well. What is the use of bowling fast without getting results, which is taking wickets consistently and for long periods.

Kapildev, supposedly only a medium fast or fast medium bowler has taken more test wickets than the fastest Pakistani bowlers of all time. Shoiab Akhtar, the fastest Pakistani bowler has only taken 178 test wickets. Lots of Indian medium pacers/ fast medium bowlers have taken more test wickets than him.

 

[Third_Umpire]

What is the definition of a fast bowler ? Someone bowling at 150 kmph is fast but someone bowling at 145 is not ? Look at the final record of the bowler as well. What is the use of bowling fast without getting results, which is taking wickets consistently and for long periods.

Kapildev, supposedly only a medium fast or fast medium bowler has taken more test wickets than the fastest Pakistani bowlers of all time. Shoiab Akhtar, the fastest Pakistani bowler has only taken 178 test wickets. Lots of Indian medium pacers/ fast medium bowlers have taken more test wickets than him.

Your point about speed is well taken, but almost no one would argue that Kapil's 432 wickets taken over 132 test matches make him a better fast bowler than the Pakistani bowlers you are referring that may have taken fewer than 432 wickets...

 

[squarecut]

Kapildev lasted long enough to play 132 test matches. That shows his superb fitness and longevity, something that the faster Pakistani bowlers could not emulate and fell by the wayside after playing just half the tests.

 

[MenInG]

Kapildev lasted long enough to play 132 test matches. That shows his superb fitness and longevity, something that the faster Pakistani bowlers could not emulate and fell by the wayside after playing just half the tests.

Sometimes playing more Tests doesnt really mean that they were doing well in the last few years. Not sure in KD's case.

 

[squarecut]

Shoaib Akhtar took 46 test matches to claim 178 test wickets. Kapildev claimed 179 test wickets in his first 45 test matches. So it is not as if Akhtar was any better than Kapildev in the same number of tests.

 

[Third_Umpire]

Shoaib Akhtar took 46 test matches to claim 178 test wickets. Kapildev claimed 179 test wickets in his first 45 test matches. So it is not as if Akhtar was any better than Kapildev in the same number of tests.

It's debatable whether Akhtar was better than Kapil or not, Akhtar was certainly more fearsome and played in a far more batsmen friendly era. Kapil of course was more durable and played for much longer, which is a testament to his durability but not necessarily his fast bowling prowess.

Kapil also has more wickets than Wasim, Waqar and Imran and no sane soul (Kapil himself included) would think about comparing him to any of those three.

Longevity can be it's own yardstick that is disassociated with skill, in that Kapil certainly excels. He may have also just played on and on because India didn't have anything else resembling a fast bowler until the mid-late years of Javagal Srinath.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Kapil was a good bowler. He was sometimes great.

Imran was phenomenal for 3-4 years and great for most of his career.

In terms of Speed. Imran at peak was 150-155 kph range.

Kapil never went above 145 kph.


Pakistan has 5 bowlers who clocked above 155kph and can be recognized as super speeders.


Yadav, Aaron, Ishant, Srinath have all come close to breaching 155 kph but never crossed it.

In fact their ultra quick spells are also numbered.

India needs a bowler in the super speed category sadly there is none right now even in the ultra speed category.

 

[Third_Umpire]

Kapil was a good bowler. He was sometimes great.

Imran was phenomenal for 3-4 years and great for most of his career.

In terms of Speed. Imran at peak was 150-155 kph range.

Kapil never went above 145 kph.


Pakistan has 5 bowlers who clocked above 155kph and can be recognized as super speeders.


Yadav, Aaron, Ishant, Srinath have all come close to breaching 155 kph but never crossed it.

In fact their ultra quick spells are also numbered.

India needs a bowler in the super speed category sadly there is none right now even in the ultra speed category.

Not sure if the "super speeder" is a need, sounds more like a want. What India hasn't had, more than the speed, is predatory fast bowlers that go for the kill and win games. Wasim is the best example of this, not the quickest, but give him a sniff and he will rip the game open. Waqar was the same. Shoaib did it many times too. Asif's all too short career had glimpses of this. Other teams have had such bowlers as well, however India's quicks no matter what their speed have lacked this killer instinct to take over and win games.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Not sure if the "super speeder" is a need, sounds more like a want. What India hasn't had, more than the speed, is predatory fast bowlers that go for the kill and win games. Wasim is the best example of this, not the quickest, but give him a sniff and he will rip the game open. Waqar was the same. Shoaib did it many times too. Asif's all too short career had glimpses of this. Other teams have had such bowlers as well, however India's quicks no matter what their speed have lacked this killer instinct to take over and win games.

They were all quick too.

Let's keep in mind super speedsters also never and cannot physically rely on super speed for their entire spell.

Pakistani bowlers average speed still falls in mega speed category while our masters if leg cutters operate in 130s on average. It is a disgrace.

 

[Dingolfy]

They were all quick too.

Let's keep in mind super speedsters also never and cannot physically rely on super speed for their entire spell.

Pakistani bowlers average speed still falls in mega speed category while our masters if leg cutters operate in 130s on average. It is a disgrace.

Current Indian fast bowlers are collectively much faster than Pakistani counterparts in Tests which is the most trying format for fast bowlers.

 

[big_gamer007]

Haha nice bait thread, Growing up I played with hundreds of kids and each and every one of us wanted to bat.. I didn’t find anyone wanting to bowl fast, it just didn’t seem fun.. So if you extrapolate the sample size you can understand why we produce better batsmen than bowlers.. Maybe it will change in future..

 

[Bubby]

Kapil was a good bowler. He was sometimes great.

Imran was phenomenal for 3-4 years and great for most of his career.

In terms of Speed. Imran at peak was 150-155 kph range.

Kapil never went above 145 kph.


Pakistan has 5 bowlers who clocked above 155kph and can be recognized as super speeders.


Yadav, Aaron, Ishant, Srinath have all come close to breaching 155 kph but never crossed it.

In fact their ultra quick spells are also numbered.

India needs a bowler in the super speed category sadly there is none right now even in the ultra speed category.

Sorry to say this but Imran was never a155 kph bowler, at best he was 147-148 kph bowler, Wasim at his peak was 150-151 kph, which is very quick by the way, Waqar at his peak was a shade quicker than Wasim, only Shoaib, Sami and possibly Zahid were express but later had a very short career, while Sami use to travel faster than he bowled, same with wahab. Only Akhtar was intimidating, but his off field antics coupled with his attitude somewhat overshadowed the brilliance he had.

 

[Rishta Aunty]

Few points:

1. Funding and sporting culture: Great example is China. Until the 1980's China was a nobody in Olympics apart from Table Tennis and Badminton. Today's they are second after the US. Was there a sudden sports gene that all babies got or was it the targeted effort in investing money on sports development? Any one knows it's the latter. People love to talk about how physique and genes are critical, but apart from some groups such as Bantu's or austro-negroids, most other population groups have enough people with the characteristics to succeed.

The delta comes from world-class coaching and honing of their skill-sets to ensure they can reach their optimal potential. India, both economically and otherwise, are 20 years behind China. This is basically a function of when their economies opened up and started growing. This growth brought money and opportunities, which also saw an increase in funding for athletics as a prestige sport. That kind of gulf is there between India and Pakistan as well. We saw how much India have improved in the recent Commonwealth Games. I believe that given the funding and opportunities, our Pakistani athletes can also match this.

2. Fast Bowling culture: Again, the issue about having a batting and bowling culture plays a huge role. Imran acted as an inspiration for Wasim/Waqar who them inspired Amir/Hasan. Similarly, Gavaskar acted as inspiration for Tendulkar/Dravid, who in turn inspired Kohli and so on. This might seem trivial, but that knowledge transfer can have an incredibly strong impact in how well players can develop. Finally, India seems to have some impetus which is why we have people bowling over 140 kmph as it's fashionable to aspire to do so; whether that translates to actually great fast bowling is different. Case in point is Hasan and even Shami who aren't the fastest, but wonderful bowlers.

There's a reason there are so many outstanding Indian bowling talents and outstanding Pakistani batting talents that don't make it.

Finally, re the Kapil point, one of the reasons he's rated much lower than Imran is because 1) he was an inferior bowler at their best 2) they had opposite career paths. Kapil started as nothing short of a sensation and a combination of overbowling, lack of support, and playing on for too long meant that his stats absolutely plumetted with the years. That perception then stayed on forgetting a lot of what came before (Dhoni might end the same way). Imran on the other hand actually started off as a pretty mediocre bowler, then absolutely super-charged himself in the late 70's, early 80's. And he came out of retirement and won the world cup as well in 1992. That shows in the career stats as well.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Few points:

1. Funding and sporting culture: Great example is China. Until the 1980's China was a nobody in Olympics apart from Table Tennis and Badminton. Today's they are second after the US. Was there a sudden sports gene that all babies got or was it the targeted effort in investing money on sports development? Any one knows it's the latter. People love to talk about how physique and genes are critical, but apart from some groups such as Bantu's or austro-negroids, most other population groups have enough people with the characteristics to succeed.

The delta comes from world-class coaching and honing of their skill-sets to ensure they can reach their optimal potential. India, both economically and otherwise, are 20 years behind China. This is basically a function of when their economies opened up and started growing. This growth brought money and opportunities, which also saw an increase in funding for athletics as a prestige sport. That kind of gulf is there between India and Pakistan as well. We saw how much India have improved in the recent Commonwealth Games. I believe that given the funding and opportunities, our Pakistani athletes can also match this.

2. Fast Bowling culture: Again, the issue about having a batting and bowling culture plays a huge role. Imran acted as an inspiration for Wasim/Waqar who them inspired Amir/Hasan. Similarly, Gavaskar acted as inspiration for Tendulkar/Dravid, who in turn inspired Kohli and so on. This might seem trivial, but that knowledge transfer can have an incredibly strong impact in how well players can develop. Finally, India seems to have some impetus which is why we have people bowling over 140 kmph as it's fashionable to aspire to do so; whether that translates to actually great fast bowling is different. Case in point is Hasan and even Shami who aren't the fastest, but wonderful bowlers.

There's a reason there are so many outstanding Indian bowling talents and outstanding Pakistani batting talents that don't make it.

Finally, re the Kapil point, one of the reasons he's rated much lower than Imran is because 1) he was an inferior bowler at their best 2) they had opposite career paths. Kapil started as nothing short of a sensation and a combination of overbowling, lack of support, and playing on for too long meant that his stats absolutely plumetted with the years. That perception then stayed on forgetting a lot of what came before (Dhoni might end the same way). Imran on the other hand actually started off as a pretty mediocre bowler, then absolutely super-charged himself in the late 70's, early 80's. And he came out of retirement and won the world cup as well in 1992. That shows in the career stats as well.

India has invested a lot of money in fast bowling too and we are still jokers at it. Do you know the pain we feel when Ashok Dinda tears his jockeys apart in jumping 6 feet long in the air just to deliver a 125 kph leg cutter dolly? It is a disgrace Auntie.

 

[Send1983]

Kapil was a good bowler. He was sometimes great.

Imran was phenomenal for 3-4 years and great for most of his career.

In terms of Speed. Imran at peak was 150-155 kph range.

Kapil never went above 145 kph.


Pakistan has 5 bowlers who clocked above 155kph and can be recognized as super speeders.


Yadav, Aaron, Ishant, Srinath have all come close to breaching 155 kph but never crossed it.

In fact their ultra quick spells are also numbered.

India needs a bowler in the super speed category sadly there is none right now even in the ultra speed category.

Imran bowled over 150 kmph? Did you watch the same Imran I watched?

 

[big_gamer007]

Imran bowled over 150 kmph? Did you watch the same Imran I watched?

It’s customary to add 10-15KMPH to speeds of any bowler who played before 1990.. Clarke and Thompson used to bowl over 170+KPh if some people are to be believed..

 

[cricketworm]

India has invested a lot of money in fast bowling too and we are still jokers at it. Do you know the pain we feel when Ashok Dinda tears his jockeys apart in jumping 6 feet long in the air just to deliver a 125 kph leg cutter dolly? It is a disgrace Auntie.

How many games Ashok Dinda has played for India? And how many Sohail Tanvir has?

 

[Bhaijaan]

How many games Ashok Dinda has played for India? And how many Sohail Tanvir has?

Sohail Tanvir is 6 feet tall and has broad shoulders. He dedicated himself to bowling medium pace like Dwayne Bravo. They can bowl faster than that being great athletes but such is their style of bowling. But Dinda, Vinay Kumar and Mohit Sharma pretend to be right arm fast bowlers. It’s a joke.

 

[www787]

Share with your bhaijaan how things are the way they are.

When it comes to manly sports where strength means a lot India has always had the edge over Pakistan. Sports like :-

Weightlifting
Wrestling
Boxing
Throwing
Kabaddi
Rugby



India’s army also holds a superior win record against Pakistan army.

In sledging also, Navjot Sidhu, Gautam Gambhir have proved that Indian cricketers are always fearless and up for a fight when need be.


Yet when it comes to fast bowling we remain miserably behind our little neighbours. It is embarrassing and a matter of shame for India.

People often give excuses like genetically Indians are weaker and shorter compared to Pakistanis. If that is really true than why is it that India is so well ahead in other physical sports and overall as a sporting nation also.

This needs to be understood at a deeper level.

Share your thoughts with Bhaijaan.

cussing out player mother and sister in Urdu/hindi on cricket ground with the rest of your team mate does not make one fearless.

 

[Bhaijaan]

cussing out player mother and sister in Urdu/hindi on cricket ground with the rest of your team mate does not make one fearless.

War is not for gentlemen. Double G had to channel his inner monster to subdue Pakistani fielders. I wish he was tall and a fast bowler instead.

 

[www787]

War is not for gentlemen. Double G had to channel his inner monster to subdue Pakistani fielders. I wish he was tall and a fast bowler instead.

It is a gentlemen game and rules are followed. One just gets dirty and make it dirty to compensate whatever short coming they have.

 

[cricketworm]

Sohail Tanvir is 6 feet tall and has broad shoulders. He dedicated himself to bowling medium pace like Dwayne Bravo. They can bowl faster than that being great athletes but such is their style of bowling. But Dinda, Vinay Kumar and Mohit Sharma pretend to be right arm fast bowlers. It’s a joke.

Again. How many game Dinda Vinay Kumar Mohit Sharma combined has played internationally compare to 6 feet tall Sohail Tanvir, who bowls at 120km/hr?

 

[Rishta Aunty]

India has invested a lot of money in fast bowling too and we are still jokers at it. Do you know the pain we feel when Ashok Dinda tears his jockeys apart in jumping 6 feet long in the air just to deliver a 125 kph leg cutter dolly? It is a disgrace Auntie.

Dinda is a disgrace as is Vinay Kumar; my grandmom could bowl better and she's been dead for a decade However, Shami is a top test/ODI bowler, Bumrah is a great LOI bowler, and even Bhuvneshwar has improved his game a lot in the shorter formats. Add in the likes of Umesh and that isn't a terrible fast bowling attack. However, in the past you had genuinely terrible fast bowlers that could only elicit laughter from this side of the border. So you can't expect that to change overnight man! If it makes you feel better, we feel the same when our newest hack off the batting production line, throws it away to that magical slog to the leg side. You can't have it all

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Those athletes you are mentioning are from Punjab which is where all the genuinely fast bowlers from Pakistan have come from. The difference is there is a system for churning out athletes for the sports mentioned but there is none for cricket.

In Pakistan, we've only produced them because of sheer numbers that even a corrupt system can't stop them from coming up.

 

[USHK]

How come Indian wrestlers, weight lifters, athletes are superior if beef is the reason. Beef isn’t a big part of even non vegetarian Indians and yet they dominate Pakistan in athleticism and strength sports.

Fast bowling is an anomaly.

That is not true. Those Indian fast bowlers are not going to mention meat as receipt to avoid backlash.

Meat is the part of the fitness. Even in the wrestling, meat is considered necessary to fuel the system to gain the strength. Even in Amir Khan's film 'Dangal' which is based on woman-wrestling emphasized on meat to strengthen the women-wrestlers which then help to generate build up for wrestling scenario.

Every nations that regularly produce fast bowlers always have meat in the list.

In term of athleticism and strength sports, Punjabis play vital role in those fields which they prioritize meat as everyday never mind for the fitness. And i expect the same from the majority of portion that makes up for the Indian army are Punjabis that thrives on the meat.

Bear in mind that small population Pakistan dominated in many sports in terms of athleticism for many many decades, unearthed many talents that later became icons/legends of the sports. Whereas for India took many many many decades to play catch up through the integration of Punjabis in the fields.

 

[rexbamezai]

That is not true. Those Indian fast bowlers are not going to mention meat as receipt to avoid backlash.

Meat is the part of the fitness. Even in the wrestling, meat is considered necessary to fuel the system to gain the strength. Even in Amir Khan's film 'Dangal' which is based on woman-wrestling emphasized on meat to strengthen the women-wrestlers which then help to generate build up for wrestling scenario.

Every nations that regularly produce fast bowlers always have meat in the list.

In term of athleticism and strength sports, Punjabis play vital role in those fields which they prioritize meat as everyday never mind for the fitness. And i expect the same from the majority of portion that makes up for the Indian army are Punjabis that thrives on the meat.

Bear in mind that small population Pakistan dominated in many sports in terms of athleticism for many many decades, unearthed many talents that later became icons/legends of the sports. Whereas for India took many many many decades to play catch up through the integration of Punjabis in the fields.

Actually, the majority of Indians being vegetarians is a total myth. Majority of the Indians I know are actually non-vegetarians. Vegetarians are mostly limited to the religious kind.

 

[Sidilicious]

That is not true. Those Indian fast bowlers are not going to mention meat as receipt to avoid backlash.

Meat is the part of the fitness. Even in the wrestling, meat is considered necessary to fuel the system to gain the strength. Even in Amir Khan's film 'Dangal' which is based on woman-wrestling emphasized on meat to strengthen the women-wrestlers which then help to generate build up for wrestling scenario.

Every nations that regularly produce fast bowlers always have meat in the list.

In term of athleticism and strength sports, Punjabis play vital role in those fields which they prioritize meat as everyday never mind for the fitness. And i expect the same from the majority of portion that makes up for the Indian army are Punjabis that thrives on the meat.

Bear in mind that small population Pakistan dominated in many sports in terms of athleticism for many many decades, unearthed many talents that later became icons/legends of the sports. Whereas for India took many many many decades to play catch up through the integration of Punjabis in the fields.

Science has proven that the beef thing is a total nonsense.

Meat, yes, it is important. But only because of protein. Also, the amount of protein required to build enough muscles for athletes (we are not talking about body builders here) can be attained by 1 meal of meat (ideally white meat) and a couple of eggs a day. The athletes, for most non contact sports, need a balance between strength and agility.

80% of Indians are already meat eaters, and thus its clear that the lack of protein in the diet is not the cause of not making fast bowlers.

As people have mentioned, its the lack of bowling culture coupled with the lack of an icon.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Sushil Kumar and Yogeshwar Dutt are best wrestlers in the world and they don't eat beef. I think they don't even eat non veg.

Don't let some ignorant and lying people misguided you. Overwhelming majority of Indians refrain from non veg diet and that is known all over the world and that is something to be proud of. I don't understand why some low self esteem Indians come to PP to boast about their fictional meat diet and lie about Indians eating meat.

 

[Bhaijaan]

80% Indians meat eaters? )

Wow. There are lies and then there are mother of lies.

It's hardly 20%

 

[Sidilicious]

80% Indians meat eaters? )

Wow. There are lies and then there are mother of lies.

It's hardly 20%

80% might have been a slight exaggeration, but 70% is proven number from a study

https://www.huffingtonpost.in/2016/06/14/how-india-eats_n_10434374.html

 

[Sidilicious]

Also check out the following document from census stating that 71% of Indians eat meat.

Table 5..1 in the document

http://www.censusindia.gov.in/vital_statistics/BASELINE TABLES07062016.pdf

 

[Bhaijaan]

Also check out the following document from census stating that 71% of Indians eat meat.

Table 5..1 in the document

http://www.censusindia.gov.in/vital_statistics/BASELINE TABLES07062016.pdf

They are saying non vegetarian and not specifically to meat eating.

Maybe they have counted everyone who doesn't mind an egg omelette. You and me know though the number of regular meat eaters in India is anything between 20-30 percent. I'm some states one would say their staple food includes meat mostly but they are mostly tiny ones. The massive middle Indian states who form half of India literally are eating dal chawal mostly.

Even a lot of the people who by definition come under non vegetarianism consume very little of meat in actual sense. If you compare it to per capita meat so sumption of neighbouring nations even and not the Americans and Europeans it's a joke.

 

[gani999]

India are producing decent bowlers. But I think a reason why India haven't produced top quality bowlers is because they never had a bowler who could inspire a generation like Wasim did.

So why haven't recent Pakistani bowlers been able to equal or better Wasim and Waqar? I am sure they have had all the inspiration.

 

[Hasan123]

So why haven't recent Pakistani bowlers been able to equal or better Wasim and Waqar? I am sure they have had all the inspiration.

Wasim is a once in a generation talent. Difficult to produce a bowler better or equal to him.

 

[cricketjoshila]

It's debatable whether Akhtar was better than Kapil or not, Akhtar was certainly more fearsome and played in a far more batsmen friendly era. Kapil of course was more durable and played for much longer, which is a testament to his durability but not necessarily his fast bowling prowess.

Kapil also has more wickets than Wasim, Waqar and Imran and no sane soul (Kapil himself included) would think about comparing him to any of those three.

Longevity can be it's own yardstick that is disassociated with skill, in that Kapil certainly excels. He may have also just played on and on because India didn't have anything else resembling a fast bowler until the mid-late years of Javagal Srinath.

Akhtar is not comparable to Kapil. Comparing a bowler with less than 200 test wickets with someone with 400 plus is a joke. The basic comparision cricteria is lost. Kapils performance againist the WI team is a proof of his skills. Akhtar is nowhere near.

Fitness and longeivity are also attributes of a great player. Playing 46 tests in a 14yr career shows how poor Akhtar really was.

 

[cricketjoshila]

They are saying non vegetarian and not specifically to meat eating.

Maybe they have counted everyone who doesn't mind an egg omelette. You and me know though the number of regular meat eaters in India is anything between 20-30 percent. I'm some states one would say their staple food includes meat mostly but they are mostly tiny ones. The massive middle Indian states who form half of India literally are eating dal chawal mostly.

Even a lot of the people who by definition come under non vegetarianism consume very little of meat in actual sense. If you compare it to per capita meat so sumption of neighbouring nations even and not the Americans and Europeans it's a joke.

What you posted is your opinion and not facts.

You have no way of knowing how much meat someone is eating.

 

[gani999]

They are saying non vegetarian and not specifically to meat eating.

Maybe they have counted everyone who doesn't mind an egg omelette. You and me know though the number of regular meat eaters in India is anything between 20-30 percent. I'm some states one would say their staple food includes meat mostly but they are mostly tiny ones. The massive middle Indian states who form half of India literally are eating dal chawal mostly.

Even a lot of the people who by definition come under non vegetarianism consume very little of meat in actual sense. If you compare it to per capita meat so sumption of neighbouring nations even and not the Americans and Europeans it's a joke.

That survey says about 70% of Indians are non-vegetarian. The word 'non-vegetarian' in the Indian parlance also includes people who eat white meats like chicken and fish regularly. Chicken and fish are almost the staple in many places in Peninsular and coastal India (the south, west and east), and in some northern states like Punjab. So the survey is absolutely correct.
That leaves the cow belt. Even here, people in places like Bihar have taken to eating fish in a big way.

The only strict dal-chawal eaters in India, who don't touch any meat at all, are the very traditional upper caste Hindus, who form about 2-3% of the population at the most.

 

[Swashbuckler]

That is not true. Those Indian fast bowlers are not going to mention meat as receipt to avoid backlash.

Meat is the part of the fitness. Even in the wrestling, meat is considered necessary to fuel the system to gain the strength. Even in Amir Khan's film 'Dangal' which is based on woman-wrestling emphasized on meat to strengthen the women-wrestlers which then help to generate build up for wrestling scenario.

Every nations that regularly produce fast bowlers always have meat in the list.

In term of athleticism and strength sports, Punjabis play vital role in those fields which they prioritize meat as everyday never mind for the fitness. And i expect the same from the majority of portion that makes up for the Indian army are Punjabis that thrives on the meat.

Bear in mind that small population Pakistan dominated in many sports in terms of athleticism for many many decades, unearthed many talents that later became icons/legends of the sports. Whereas for India took many many many decades to play catch up through the integration of Punjabis in the fields.

Just a small correction. The real life Phogat sisters are pure vegetarians. Aamir Khan took artistic liberty in the movie to bring in that chicken scene. Even our Olympic medalist wrestlers like Sushil Kumar, Yogeshwar Dutt, Sakshi Malik are vegetarians and they are all among the elite in their competition.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Dara Singh was a big chested tall and handsome wrestler. He didn’t eat beef either.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Sushil Kumar and Yogeshwar Dutt are best wrestlers in the world and they don't eat beef. I think they don't even eat non veg.

Don't let some ignorant and lying people misguided you. Overwhelming majority of Indians refrain from non veg diet and that is known all over the world and that is something to be proud of. I don't understand why some low self esteem Indians come to PP to boast about their fictional meat diet and lie about Indians eating meat.

I think the jokes about Indian fast bowlers and veg diet are just that....jokes. Elephants eat a veg giant and they are the biggest animals in the world.

On the list of athletes, most of those are minor pastimes in Pakistan, it would be more telling if you had Pakistanis and Indians taking up boxing or MMA seriously. Even football come to that. Not enough Pakistanis do these sports at a serious level.

 

[PakLFC]

Pak is behind the mentioned Sports due to a lack of funding. We are to Cricket obsessed compared to the Indian's who are venturing in to other Sports. Money can not produce fast bowlers for India, they have tried producing them through many clinics.

 

[greatest]

One very important element is the aggressive attitude. This to me is the reason Indian bowlers never grow into genuine fast bowlers. If you look at the real fast Pakistani bowlers like Waqar, Shoaib or Wasim once they get hit for a few they, especially Waqar (as I have followed his career very closely) will respond back by bowling even more quick. And when they are frustrated will bowl bouncers and sledge a bit. This is all due to their aggressive nature.

Indian bowlers on the other hand will slow down their pace and bowl line and length stuff when they get frustrated.

To be a real fast bowler you need a big heart.

 

[Bhaijaan]

One very important element is the aggressive attitude. This to me is the reason Indian bowlers never grow into genuine fast bowlers. If you look at the real fast Pakistani bowlers like Waqar, Shoaib or Wasim once they get hit for a few they, especially Waqar (as I have followed his career very closely) will respond back by bowling even more quick. And when they are frustrated will bowl bouncers and sledge a bit. This is all due to their aggressive nature.

Indian bowlers on the other hand will slow down their pace and bowl line and length stuff when they get frustrated.

To be a real fast bowler you need a big heart.

Great point.

Just like a true man once he’s rejected by a woman doesn’t give up and tries even harder with her or the next one. Some guys just take it to heart and stop trying and accept the state of friendzone for life.

You must hope again.

You must dream again.

That’s what makes a true lover, a man and a fast bowler. Indian bowlers please listen. Consider this a warning. Thanks

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Why the obsession with fast bowler? India has 145km+ bowlers now, which is plenty fast enough.

 

[squarecut]

Cricket is a game played seriously in just about ten countries. One can claim to be a world class sporting nation only if one wins medals in global sports, viz Olympic events. Claiming to bowl faster than Indians in cricket does not make you a strong sporting nation.

Since Pakistanis are supposed to be world beaters in several sports, can someone tell me how many medals they have won in Olympics in the last 24 years ?

 

[Eagle_Eye]

So according to you doping is the reason behind India's success and Pakistan's failure?
Let me remind you The fastest bowler in the world Shoibh Akthar was a regular offender and was also banned by ICC along with Mohd. Asif. So according to your logic "Pak bowlers bowl faster because of drugs and without drugs Shoibh Akthar and Ashok Dinda are same."

And by the way no Indian was found doping during CWG games.

Performance enhancing drugs are rife in all your other sports.... second only to Russia. Just go and look into it and you will see the scale of it. At one time, they had 40+ people banned!!

The reason India is ahead in other sports mentioned in op is greatly explained by the widespread use of PEDs.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Performance enhancing drugs are rife in all your other sports.... second only to Russia. Just go and look into it and you will see the scale of it. At one time, they had 40+ people banned!!

The reason India is ahead in other sports mentioned in op is greatly explained by the widespread use of PEDs.

Lol. This is the most rubbish explaination ever. How many medal winners from India have been caught using PEDs? Medal winners.

 

[Zain]

Share with your bhaijaan how things are the way they are.

When it comes to manly sports where strength means a lot India has always had the edge over Pakistan. Sports like :-

Weightlifting
Wrestling
Boxing
Throwing
Kabaddi
Rugby



India’s army also holds a superior win record against Pakistan army.

In sledging also, Navjot Sidhu, Gautam Gambhir have proved that Indian cricketers are always fearless and up for a fight when need be.


Yet when it comes to fast bowling we remain miserably behind our little neighbours. It is embarrassing and a matter of shame for India.

People often give excuses like genetically Indians are weaker and shorter compared to Pakistanis. If that is really true than why is it that India is so well ahead in other physical sports and overall as a sporting nation also.

This needs to be understood at a deeper level.

Share your thoughts with Bhaijaan.

Mate you sound like someone who has a serious inferiority complex, also feels like your post is not genuine and has a hidden agenda behind it which stems from your inferiority complex.

Many inaccurate statements in your post, regards to army's and also sledging. Yes India may win more medals ect this is because overall facilities, preparation, development for sports admittedly is better in India.

Back to my original point your thread and post raises an eye brow to how genuine it is and the sinister agenda behind it stemming from your inferiority complex.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Performance enhancing drugs are rife in all your other sports.... second only to Russia. Just go and look into it and you will see the scale of it. At one time, they had 40+ people banned!!

The reason India is ahead in other sports mentioned in op is greatly explained by the widespread use of PEDs.

It is true India has been regular substance abuser in sports arena but like some chhotu already explained the overall success cannot be downplayed because of that just like Pakistani bowling prowess cannot be downplayed due to some bowlers getting caught.

Eagle my little brother you need to be more informed and big hearted. Be a golden eagle and not just any eagle.

Bhaijaan