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I know it looks a bit unlikely for Pakistan, but if somehow they manage to win the Test Series in South Africa, and India also wins in Australia, which win will u rate higher as both India and Pakistan have not won a series in both the countries?
 
I know it looks a bit unlikely for Pakistan, but if somehow they manage to win the Test Series in South Africa, and India also wins in Australia, which win will u rate higher as both India and Pakistan have not won a series in both the countries?

Both are equally Good. Winning series in SENA is best for any Asian country.
 
I know it looks a bit unlikely for Pakistan, but if somehow they manage to win the Test Series in South Africa, and India also wins in Australia, which win will u rate higher as both India and Pakistan have not won a series in both the countries?

This South Africa team and Australian team are absolutely class apart, if Australian team still had smith, warner and bancroft only then it would have been acceptable to compare them with South Africa. Pakistan winning 1 test match out of three in south africa is as hard as the Indian team winning 10 test matched in a row against Australia.
 
Pakistan's win would rate higher, especially if they can do it 2-0 or 3-0 and force over-the-hill players like Amla into retirement.
 
Winning in Australia is considered as the biggest achievement for any Asian side. The fact that Pak has not even manage to draw a test there since 90s or India could win only 6 tests there in lifetime, suggests how difficult it is. Winning in SA or Eng is great but Aust is a different territory all together.
 
This South Africa team and Australian team are absolutely class apart, if Australian team still had smith, warner and bancroft only then it would have been acceptable to compare them with South Africa. Pakistan winning 1 test match out of three in south africa is as hard as the Indian team winning 10 test matched in a row against Australia.

I think right now both teams are on par with each other. Certainly not class apart. The main reason Indian didn't win series in South Africa was ABD. He was almost half of this inexperienced SAF batting line up. Now that he's retired, it has created a major void in that middle order , specially with Amla nowhere near his best. Atleast Australia have their strongest bowling line up playing. But SAF are now without Philander (their most important bowler in tests at home) and Ngidi. So, i think it will be the same as India winning against the weakest Aussie side. As this is also the weakest SAF team going into their home test EVER.
 
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I know it looks a bit unlikely for Pakistan, but if somehow they manage to win the Test Series in South Africa, and India also wins in Australia, which win will u rate higher as both India and Pakistan have not won a series in both the countries?

Pakistan's win will be regarded much higher simply because at present South Africa is much better than even Australia's full strength team let alone the B team that is playing against India right now without 4 of its test match regulars.

Having said that it is highly unlikely that Pakistan will win in RSA. Rather your Bhaijaan sees a 3-0 thrashing as Pakistan is going through a rough match with a very inexperienced batting line up.
 
Philander is injured and will not play the 1st test (might miss the 2nd test too).

Pakistan should capitalize on this golden opportunity.
 
Pakistan's win will be regarded much higher simply because at present South Africa is much better than even Australia's full strength team let alone the B team that is playing against India right now without 4 of its test match regulars.

Having said that it is highly unlikely that Pakistan will win in RSA. Rather your Bhaijaan sees a 3-0 thrashing as Pakistan is going through a rough match with a very inexperienced batting line up.

Yes, chances are slim, but this Pakistan team looks like a slightly better team than the one which toured under Misbah. Yasir can come handy on the 4th and 5th day plus the new ball bowlers besides Amir are much better than the ones who toured last time.

The batting is the big worry but compared to last time now we have a few stroke players in Babar and Fakhar. I don't expect them to win but I think they can be competitive especially if they can drag the games to the fifth day and the Yasir factor can come into play.
 
Pakistan’s will certainly be better. India is playing Australia D team currently and even that team is giving Kohli nightmares. Pakistan will be facing a strong Saffer team and we might actually win this series if our batsmen can get their act together.
 
Guys, it's not happening. Please don't set yourselves up for disappointment. I would be ecstatic if Pakistan manages to win one test.

And I'm a very optimistic guy.
 
1 test win from Ind/Pak so far and we are comparing hypothetical series wins?
 
Ind might win, but not the same for Pak.

With the exception AB's batting experience, SA aren't missing much and have more than enough to beat Pak at home.

They'll miss Philander in the 1st Test, but Steyn, Rabada and Olivier will be more than enough for this batting line up.
 
Pakistan’s will certainly be better. India is playing Australia D team currently and even that team is giving Kohli nightmares. Pakistan will be facing a strong Saffer team and we might actually win this series if our batsmen can get their act together.

Aussie batting lineup is weak due to the absence of Smith and Warner. But bowling is full strength. Starc, Cummins, Hazzlewood and Lyon.
Calling it D Team may not be appropriate. Most test teams play well at home despite missing couple of key batsmen.

Pakistan will also be playing against South Africa D team , which does not have De Villers and Philander. So, the former is expected to win. Isn't it?
 
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India should win series in Australia with ease as Aussies weak batting simply cant compete with Indias.

Pakistan will be lucky to win a session during SA series let alone a test or test series.
 
India should win series in Australia with ease as Aussies weak batting simply cant compete with Indias.

Pakistan will be lucky to win a session during SA series let alone a test or test series.

I will stick my neck out and say Aus is going to make it 1-1 after this test. Other two tests will depend on toss.
 
one team is ranked 1.
the other team is ranked seventh.
a team supposedly number one is expected to win everywhere to justify its ranking.
a team ranked number seven is expected to lose away to a higher ranked team.
 
one team is ranked 1.
the other team is ranked seventh.
a team supposedly number one is expected to win everywhere to justify its ranking.
a team ranked number seven is expected to lose away to a higher ranked team.

Problem is seven thinks one is scared to face them. Also seven lost series at home to eight.
 
one team is ranked 1.
the other team is ranked seventh.
a team supposedly number one is expected to win everywhere to justify its ranking.
a team ranked number seven is expected to lose away to a higher ranked team.

Who told you that? A team ranked #1 is supposed to be the best team in the world, which it is. It doesn't have to win every match.
 
Pakistan winning would certainly be a upset. India's winning would also be very good but the difference is India has a great team. Their batting is bar better than Australia. Whilst SAF batting is not amazing, i think it is better than Pakistan.
 
Who told you that? A team ranked #1 is supposed to be the best team in the world, which it is. It doesn't have to win every match.

look.

india is occupying a prestigious spot, i.e the world no1 ranking that was once held by Pontings Australians or Clive Llyods West Indians, and Graeme Smith's South African team.

therefore india has to justify its position, hence the expectations. if not be invincible, but to to at least not lose series overseas while winning at home.
 
Problem is seven thinks one is scared to face them. Also seven lost series at home to eight.

it not about fear. it is simply that test cricket is a league structure where every team plays every team home and away, and that is how rankings are made. problem is, and any statistician will tell you, that estimating rankings and ratings become inaccurate in the absence of complete data.

india not playing pakistan, means that there is incomplete data for the estimation of rankings and rating points.

personally i dont care if india doesnt play pakistan. the situation between the two nations is such that i would be in favor of pakistan boycotting playing india in ICC events as well as bilaterals. this includes under 19s, womens cricket,blind cricket, asia cups and any other cricketing event i can think of.

In solidarity with the oppressed people of kashmir of course, i'd like to see a complete ban on any sporting event with india.
 
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I think winning in Australia will always be a bigger achievement for Asian sides. Australia has not only been the historical superpower of this sport but at home they are almost invincible, while the Proteas frequently shell tests at home not just against the 3 Asian sides but also against WI. England and Australia have won in SA often. In Australia only SA has delivered the goods consistently (last decade or so) while England caught them on the wrong foot once in the last 30 years (2010-11). The W/L stats justify that, Australia are a different level monster at home.

Another big issue I see is umpiring. What I say may sound like sour grapes but I do feel that under fair playing conditions both India and Pakistan should have broken the drought in Australia by now. Speaking for India I can say that we should have won at least a couple of series out of our '77-'78, '80-'81, '85-'86, '03-'04,'07-'08 tours. Those series were close draws/defeats only because of umpiring. I am sure Pakistan faced a similar problem as did Sri Lanka, during home umpire era Aussies knew exactly when to favor the home team, they had perfected the art of officiating to an exact science where only their side benefited. Even during neutral umpires era they get many decisions in their favor, not just howlers but in fact nearly all the marginal calls go in their favor. I can't pin point why this is happening in present era but from memory I can justify my stance.

In SA umpiring won't be an obstacle, I can see Asian teams winning there very soon. In fact I am sure once India gets a series win there, it will open the floodgates and we will enjoy many wins. England and NZ are bigger roadblocks for us in the future.
 
We're going to somehow lose this series 1-3. ::J

I doubt Pakistan will fare much better.
 
Neither Asian team is likely to win the series. Drawn series is maximum I guess.

Wont mind either team winning though :wa
 
. I dont think ind will win in Aus. They have got their sole victory like they got in previous two series.
Only way pak can win is if they put runs on the board . Asad shafique and Babar will be key and support from harris and azhar.
Regardless of whoever wins it will be special for both ind and pak and dont forget pak did put runs on the board in aus last time around but they struggled to get wickets
 
Aus are playing Z team while Pak will play full strength SA squad. No comparison here
 
C'mon, of course SA is the greater achievement. They still have players like Faf, Amla, De Kock, Elgar, Markram.

Bowling attacks are pretty even.
 
I just hope Australia win or at least avoid defeat as we'll never hear the end of it.
 
Guys, it's not happening. Please don't set yourselves up for disappointment. I would be ecstatic if Pakistan manages to win one test.

And I'm a very optimistic guy.

Pakistan always plays their best without any expectations on hand, so you never know what will happen.
 
India winning against Australia D is much more likely than Pakistan winning against South Africa.
 
India winning against Australia D is much more likely than Pakistan winning against South Africa.

So a team becomes a D team when it misses a couple of regular players. Then India too is a D team . We're missing Shaw and Ashwin :srini
And yes South Africa are also missing philander and Ngidi... So yeah let's see if Pakistan can beat this South Africa D team.
 
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So a team becomes a D team when it misses a couple of regular players. Then India too is a D team . We're missing Shaw and Ashwin :srini
And yes South Africa are also missing philander and Ngidi... So yeah let's see if Pakistan can beat this South Africa D team.

Ahan.. Pakistan itself is a Z team at it's best
 
At the moment we're not good enough to win more than a test in a series.

I suppose that makes us better than anybody else in world cricket, hence the #1 to go with our ATG home form.
 
1--1 will be a victory for Pakistan. SA inspite of being weak are still stronger than Pakistan
 
At 101-1 in the 3rd innings most people would have predicted an easy Pak win and then in typical Pak fashion we had a batting collapse and were all out for 190.

9 wickets fell for 89 runs, mashallah. Heck despite a target of 150 our bowling managed to reduce the hosts to 4 down despite dropped catches and biased umpiring. Had we set a target of 250, we would have probably won.
 
I ruled out both in the beginning and especially Pakistan winning in Southern Afrikaan but i must say your Bhaijaan was very impressed with Babar The Bobby Azam literally unbobbying himself to become the true Bhaijaan of Pakistan cricket. Pakistan did create a lot of pressure. I now fully expect them to 1 test at least if their batting continues to improve.
 
Ind might win, but not the same for Pak.

With the exception AB's batting experience, SA aren't missing much and have more than enough to beat Pak at home.

They'll miss Philander in the 1st Test, but Steyn, Rabada and Olivier will be more than enough for this batting line up.

Said it way before, that this garbage batting was no match for those 3 and even missing Philander would have not made much of a difference.

Can't believe some thought Pak had a chance in SA because Ind were dominating in Aus, but they don't realise Ind is far ahead of this trash team.
 
It would have been troll of this century if Pakistan had won this series vs SA against this SA attack.
 
Thank God we're not playing Tests with India. I shudder to think what they'd to to this team of ours.
 
India's performances in South Africa over the last decade has been really impressive, while Pakistan seem pretty much hopeless over here.
 
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