Indian bowling far better than Pakistan's - a fact!

[Hawkeye]

Yadav and BK immediately looking far better and skilled with the ball.

BK is the only bowler in the CT so far who is swinging the new ball. Even Amir couldn't.

Yadav generating very decent movement off the seam. I think it's only delusional to call our attack better.

In our side:

Wahab: gun barrel straight, without any line
Junaid: Gun barrel straight, no pace, no line

Amir: Only one who can move the ball, at pace, good line
Hasan: Can bowl with good line on a good day, not when under pressure like today.

 

[Mamoon]

The gap between our bowling and their bowling is as significant as the gap between the batting.

Folks can make fun of the likes of Bhuvi all they want, but the fact is that he wipes the floor with Wahab and Junaid. Amir is the only Pakistani bowler who can make the Indian team, and only just.

 

[Slog]

The gap between our bowling and their bowling is as significant as the gap between the batting.

Folks can make fun of the likes of Bhuvi all they want, but the fact is that he wipes the floor with Wahab and Junaid. Amir is the only Pakistani bowler who can make the Indian team, and only just.

Amir is superior to all of them and the tournament will prove that

But yes the rest are far ahead of the Pakistani counterparts

 

[Macho Mann]

the difference is not simply batting/bowling the difference is BCCI and PCB

PCB downfall is due to political appointments and corruption, indian board has produced IPL leagues, their management seemed to have became brilliant and pakistani management worse

 

[Mamoon]

Amir is superior to all of them and the tournament will prove that

But yes the rest are far ahead of the Pakistani counterparts

Amir can't take wickets, but he gets in because of his economy. Indian bowlers hunt in packs in tournaments and all of them chip in with wickets.

 

[Savak]

There can be no disagreement. Pakistan's bowling has deteriorated alarmingly.

 

[JaDed]

Khatam to hone do match,its not even over yet.

 

[LegendInzi]

It's been like this for some years now.

 

[Slog]

Amir can't take wickets, but he gets in because of his economy. Indian bowlers hunt in packs in tournaments and all of them chip in with wickets.

If Amir had good fielders to back him up and good bowling putting pressure on the other end do you think he wouldn't have had more wickets?

 

[superman]

oh please you wrist slitters Amir would walk into this Indian team and probably be their greatest ever fast bowler. If he had the indian fielding he would probably be rated worlds no1 across all 3 formats. Plz

 

[LegendInzi]

Khatam to hone do match,its not even over yet.

Haha you still keeping hope?

 

[Slog]

Khatam to hone do match,its not even over yet.

This has been apparent for over a year now

 

[Hasan123]

There attack is better.

 

[Mamoon]

I am glad that the Indian government is merciful and doesn't feel the need to make this ownage a regular occurrence. It seems like India doesn't care about Pakistan's superiority in H2H, otherwise they can easily arrange 2-3 series per year and demolish us at home and in the UAE.

The 70-50 will soon be 80-100.

 

[ethan hunt]

Lol it is if imad wasim is your opening bowler .
Rohit sharma couldnt middle a single bowl from aamer .
Dumb captaincy makes the bowlers worse than they are.

 

[Hawkeye]

Khatam to hone do match,its not even over yet.

That doesn't matter.

They've consistently put on a good show in many matches/tournaments, not basing it on just a single match.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Amir is superior to all of them and the tournament will prove that

But yes the rest are far ahead of the Pakistani counterparts

No. He hardly could swing the ball. Look what Bhuvi is doing with this ball. Not even Starc or Hazlewood could do.

 

[Mamoon]

If Amir had good fielders to back him up and good bowling putting pressure on the other end do you think he wouldn't have had more wickets?

I don't know, he doesn't look like taking wickets. Angles the ball across the right-handers and doesn't target the stumps much. Barely gets any lateral movement.

He has become a defensive bowler and teams are happy to see him off. If he is not taking wickets because of the fielders, then perhaps he should be targeting the stumps more, which he obviously cannot because of his lack of pace.

 

[Mamoon]

No. He hardly could swing the ball. Look what Bhuvi is doing with this ball. Not even Starc or Hazlewood could do.

Bhuvi is arguably the most skillful new ball bowler around at the moment, apart from Anderson of course.

 

[JaDed]

Haha you still keeping hope?

Its a flat pitch,and if it was any team India was short 21 runs min,and someday Pak has to chase a score so one never knows plus hate weather interruptions.

This has been apparent for over a year now

Don't think its apparent for years unless one means in ICC tournaments and even then would say it started from 2011 the consistency,even then Lala was highest wicket taker along with Zaheer 22,difference ws Yuvi had 15 there,personally always felt its the fielding that lets PCT down.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Bhuvi is arguably the most skillful new ball bowler around at the moment, apart from Anderson of course.

yes he has impeccable seam position. Only other Indian guy i have seen having such a perfect seam position was Sreesanth at his peak. But he was a bit erratic. Bhuvi is more accurate and he bowls a mean inswinger.

 

[Gasman]

Our supporters are so easily disillusioned! We've only seen 4.5 overs of the innings and already the Indian seamers are supposedly far superior to Amir and Hasan.
Lol

 

[Zak_Fan]

I agree that Amir is still the best bowler from both sides (in all conditions), but overall, Indian attack is way ahead, specially when you consider that Shami and Ashwin have been benched.

 

[Mamoon]

Our supporters are so easily disillusioned! We've only seen 4.5 overs of the innings and already the Indian seamers are supposedly far superior to Amir and Hasan.
Lol

Pakistan's bowling has been below India's for 4-5 years now. Even if Pakistan can miraculously chase this down, it won't change the fact that India have bowled better as a unit for a long time now. There is no point in denying facts. We need to get down from our high horses, the days of Wasim, Waqar and Shoaib are long gone.

 

[Slog]

I agree that Amir is still the best bowler from both sides (in all conditions), but overall, Indian attack is way ahead, specially when you consider that Shami and Ashwin have been benched.

Yes no doubt.

Indian bowlers as an overall unit are far ahead

 

[Slog]

Our supporters are so easily disillusioned! We've only seen 4.5 overs of the innings and already the Indian seamers are supposedly far superior to Amir and Hasan.
Lol

Lol dude they were far ahead even before this .

No one is basing this off today (India hasn't bowled yet)

 

[coy0607]

I don't think that's true at all

Indias world class batting on flat tracks are much better at punishing our bowlers

While our batting of Azhar, Shehzad, Hafeez can make pretty much any bowling attack look good

 

[muqarrab]

Did you see the match? In PCB admin bowling on the ground? Does it take a PCB chairman to figure out what length to bowl?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

So is their batting. Hardly earth shattering revelation here.

 

[Savak]

I am glad that the Indian government is merciful and doesn't feel the need to make this ownage a regular occurrence. It seems like India doesn't care about Pakistan's superiority in H2H, otherwise they can easily arrange 2-3 series per year and demolish us at home and in the UAE.

The 70-50 will soon be 80-100.

This i need to agree with. India is missing out big time on not only improving its overall win loss record but also overtaking Pakistan by a big margin. Their wish.

 

[jnaveen1980]

So is their batting. Hardly earth shattering revelation here.

To be honest i expected indian batting to be scratchy

 

[KhalidRafi]

Don't think there's much debate to be had on this matter. Indian bowling unit is far better than the Pakistani bowling unit.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

To be honest i expected indian batting to be scratchy

Indian openers looked nervous, Pakistan took the pressure off by removing the slip and bowling a spinner. Amir bowled well at the start, he needed support at the other end when the ball was new.

 

[Mamoon]

Indian openers looked nervous, Pakistan took the pressure off by removing the slip and bowling a spinner. Amir bowled well at the start, he needed support at the other end when the ball was new.

Both were out of form and needed runs under their belt. Sarfraz duly obliged by allowing them to settle against Imad's darts.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Not really,

Amir is the best pacer from both teams and Shadab prob the best LOI spinner. Jadeja is vastly overrated.

There is nothing to fear from this attack for Pak batsmen.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Not really,

Amir is the best pacer from both teams and Shadab prob the best LOI spinner. Jadeja is vastly overrated.

There is nothing to fear from this attack for Pak batsmen.

Problem is you can't win a match with two bowlers. I rate Hasan Ali as well to be fair, although he didn't perform today, but Pakistan don't have the batsmen to really test the Indian bowlers.

FWIW I would always play Sohail Khan ahead of Wahab and that would make our bowling look a lot better.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Problem is you can't win a match with two bowlers. I rate Hasan Ali as well to be fair, although he didn't perform today, but Pakistan don't have the batsmen to really test the Indian bowlers.

FWIW I would always play Sohail Khan ahead of Wahab and that would make our bowling look a lot better.

Agree, Hasan is a great find but needs a little more experience esp in big games. I would have played one of the younger ones, Zia Ul Haq etc.

 

[JaDed]

Problem is you can't win a match with two bowlers. I rate Hasan Ali as well to be fair, although he didn't perform today, but Pakistan don't have the batsmen to really test the Indian bowlers.

FWIW I would always play Sohail Khan ahead of Wahab and that would make our bowling look a lot better.

Gotto admit was wrong about Wahab.

 

[thehub]

We are talking about bowling attack here. Pakistan is one of the worst bowling attacks in the world. If you don't believe me, check the stats for last 2 yrs.

 

[KingKhanWC]

We are talking about bowling attack here. Pakistan is one of the worst bowling attacks in the world. If you don't believe me, check the stats for last 2 yrs.

Amir, Hasan, Shadab have not been in the team for 2 years.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

We are talking about bowling attack here. Pakistan is one of the worst bowling attacks in the world. If you don't believe me, check the stats for last 2 yrs.

Pakistan has some ok bowlers although none of them are outstanding. Irfan and Sohail are decent but lack stamina and match fitness. In Irfan's case there's also the fixing charge which has taken him out of the equation. We could probably put together a half decent attack but it would leave a very long tail and it still wouldn't be that great.

 

[Rightarmfast]

I think this match should open the eyes of the Pakistani posters here. All the Indian bowlers are consistently quicker than Pakistani counterparts too. Even Pandya and Bumrah, who are not known for pace are bowling in excess of 140!

 

[GBK_Fan]

Amir is superior to all of them and the tournament will prove that

But yes the rest are far ahead of the Pakistani counterparts

Amir was threatening in the first 4 overs, even then he was gun barrel straight. I am yet to see him swing the ball after the Asia cup match. Also his fitness is poor. Got off due to cramps in a rain impacted match where he had plenty of rest breaks

 

[Slog]

I don't know, he doesn't look like taking wickets. Angles the ball across the right-handers and doesn't target the stumps much. Barely gets any lateral movement.

He has become a defensive bowler and teams are happy to see him off. If he is not taking wickets because of the fielders, then perhaps he should be targeting the stumps more, which he obviously cannot because of his lack of pace.

Teams are happy to see him off because they know that they can take the rest of the bowlers to the cleaners. No need to take chances against him

 

[Mamoon]

Teams are happy to see him off because they know that they can take the rest of the bowlers to the cleaners. No need to take chances against him

Teams are happy to see off the main bowlers and target the weaker links. That is the standard procedure, but the strike bowlers still find a way to take wickets. We are beyond the point now that Amir can be excused for the fielding lapses, he is simply not threatening enough in his own right.

He looks threatening for the first couple of overs when he slants the ball across the right-handers, and then he bowls defensive overs and ends up with 10-1-40-0 type figures. If the batsmen play a loose shot early on, he will take a wicket or two, but then that's it.

There is a reason why he has never taken a 5-fer in ODIs, and doesn't take enough wickets upfront to push the opposition on the back-foot. Look at the way Bhuvi and Yadav bowled today, moved the ball around when Amir could not move an inch barring the first over, and looked far more threatening, and not just because they were bowling to weaker batsmen.

Now this is a reasonable performance for a support bowler, but when your main strike bowler fails to have any impact on the proceedings, it becomes very difficult for the bowling unit. His wicket-taking ability is not much better than someone like Wahab and Junaid, but he has better control so he doesn't get smashed like them.

 

[Indiafan]

If Amir had good fielders to back him up and good bowling putting pressure on the other end do you think he wouldn't have had more wickets?

Please compare Amir's length with someone like Yadav's and you will understand why he doesn't take wickets. Yadav's two wickets were attacking short deliveries. Amir pitches day in and out in the same defensive short of good length area outside off

Amir can bowl economically all day with that length. But he is not going to take many wickets at all unless he dares to attack.

 

[Indiafan]

Not really,

Amir is the best pacer from both teams and Shadab prob the best LOI spinner. Jadeja is vastly overrated.

There is nothing to fear from this attack for Pak batsmen.

Amir is the best pacer based on what evidence? Have you seen Bumrah or Shami bowl recently?

 

[Indiafan]

Not really,

Amir is the best pacer from both teams and Shadab prob the best LOI spinner. Jadeja is vastly overrated.

There is nothing to fear from this attack for Pak batsmen.

How can such a one dimensional bowler like Amir be the best? What are his weapon? He keeps bowling all day at same length expecting ball to move. Bumrah has a killer yorker, a deadly slower ball, can bowl short pitch on demand. Amir cannot even swing the ball back into the right hander. Each of Indian bowler can do more things than Amir, even Kumar can bowl great short deliveries and yorkers

 

[Zak_Fan]

Amir is the best pacer based on what evidence? Have you seen Bumrah or Shami bowl recently?

Shami hasn't bowled for 2 years and looks rusty even now. The way he bowled before injury was surely superior to Amir, but it isn't the case now.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Indian bowlers don't look all that either to be honest. I would wait to see what they do against a proper batting line up before chest thumping.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Indian bowlers don't look all that either to be honest. I would wait to see what they do against a proper batting line up before chest thumping.

NZ was rolled over in the warm up game. Same attack did well in the last CT. Same guys improved a lot this time. They don't even find place for Shami or Ashwin. They are spoilt for choices.

 

[saeed5646]

Indian bowlers don't look all that either to be honest. I would wait to see what they do against a proper batting line up before chest thumping.

this

agree with you

 

[BDwarriors]

First time in the history, yes. Feel so weird that i grown up watching pakistans bowling since 90's and where it ended now....

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

NZ was rolled over in the warm up game. Same attack did well in the last CT. Same guys improved a lot this time. They don't even find place for Shami or Ashwin. They are spoilt for choices.

The NZ attack looks a lot better, so does the England and SA one. Just my opinion having watched today's match, I don't hold too much store by what happens in warm up games or previous history.

 

[mystical man]

Amir is still the best bowler coming out of Asia even though he has regressed compared to what we saw of him before the ban.I do believe Umesh is coming close to overtaking him.

 

[KingKhanWC]

How can such a one dimensional bowler like Amir be the best? What are his weapon? He keeps bowling all day at same length expecting ball to move. Bumrah has a killer yorker, a deadly slower ball, can bowl short pitch on demand. Amir cannot even swing the ball back into the right hander. Each of Indian bowler can do more things than Amir, even Kumar can bowl great short deliveries and yorkers

The conditions weren't suitable for swing, no bowler swung the ball and no bowler really has in this tournament so far. Amir has all the tricks and tools , great yorker, great bouncer, 90mph pace, can reverse it etc.

If you want to believe someone like Bumrah is better , it's your choice . lol

 

[thehub]

Amir, Hasan, Shadab have not been in the team for 2 years.

Amir played a lot in last year's but I agree with other two. But can't also call sadab as best spinner when he has only played handful number
of matches and most of them against Windies.

 

[Napa]

Not really,

Amir is the best pacer from both teams and Shadab prob the best LOI spinner. Jadeja is vastly overrated.

There is nothing to fear from this attack for Pak batsmen.

You are right! Pakistani batsmen have nothing to fear from the Indian bowling attack except getting out.

 

[KingKhanWC]

You are right! Pakistani batsmen have nothing to fear against the Indian bowling attack except for getting out.

Getting themselves out, understand the big difference.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

You are right! Pakistani batsmen have nothing to fear from the Indian bowling attack except getting out.

Pakistan batsmen were getting themselves out against Windies part timers. It's not really an endorsement of Indian bowling attack.

 

[Bilal7]

No, our bowling attack is still better because we have that innate X-factor but this Pakistani attack is not the same one from the 90s or even the one we had during 2012-13. It's a good attack but won't be bailing the hapless batting out game after game.

India has improved in both departments while Pakistan has regressed.

 

[jnaveen1980]

The NZ attack looks a lot better, so does the England and SA one. Just my opinion having watched today's match, I don't hold too much store by what happens in warm up games or previous history.

NZ conceded 350 plus to SL in the warm up. Yes it matters. You don't concede that many even in a warm up.

 

[Zaz]

i dont think indias bowling was anything to be jumping up about today

The diff is in the batting which makes one set of bowlers look better than the other

 

[PakLFC]

India's bowling is underrated. Our's is incredibly overrated especially by Amir fans who go on about how great he is. Beating the bat means nothing unless the batsman edges it.

 

[jnaveen1980]

India's bowling is under-rated. Our's is incredibly overrated especially by Amir fans who go on about how great he is. Beating the bat means nothing unless the batsman edges it.

Beating Rohit's bat early on is nothing to gloat about. Lot of bowlers do that in the IPL. He doesn't have the same potency he had 5 years back. He used to be nippier.

 

[PakLFC]

Beating Rohit's bat early on is nothing to gloat about. Lot of bowlers do that in the IPL. He doesn't have the same potency he had 5 years back. He used to be nippier.

He wasn't that awesome even during his first spell. A few good matches had some people thinking he was the next Akram.

 

[Indiafan]

Getting themselves out, understand the big difference.

Fast shorter bowls they were forced to pull is not getting themselves out

 

[Slog]

Amir is the best pacer based on what evidence? Have you seen Bumrah or Shami bowl recently?

You are looking at it in a binary manner

Look you've been here long enough to know that I don't really chest thump or make ridiculous claims in cricket matters as far as Pakistan cricket is concerned so it's certainly not bias

Amir bowls to the plan and game situation and I've seen all of these bowlers on display today enough to claim that he is the best of this lot if you look at them individually. It's clear he was beating the bat at the start after which the Indian openers went defensive against him and picked up the rate later after seeing his spell.

Im not claiming he is a Starc or Rabada anyway but of the bowlers on display he was marginally the best. You are free to disagree but Atleast today I'm not in the mood to have a long debate. The Indian attack is good as a package but individually they do not hold a candle to the top bowlers I just named

 

[Savak]

Indian bowlers are more disciplined than their Pakistani counterparts and they know how to bowl to their field, the angles in the field and how and where to bowl when being attacked.

 

[wasimjunior]

Said before India are a very good bowling unit but we bowled much better today.

Wahabs bowling, our poor fielding and the gulf in batting-particularly singles at the start was the difference. Keep calm.

 

[wasimjunior]

He wasn't that awesome even during his first spell. A few good matches had some people thinking he was the next Akram.

Akram would get smashed on these tracks too.

Cricket has totally changed and we need to understand that. Bowlers are now the equivalents of defenders, not strikers. These are roads, the ball is made differently so moves less and 2 new balls rule out reverse swing.

Indian bowlers didnt bowl anywhere near as well as Amir today- it was the quality of the batsmen they were bowling to which made the difference. And that was the difference, this target was par. Replace Hafeez and Shahzad with Guptill and Williamson or Warner and Smith and we were going to India lose.

Thats that simple. Unfortunately our genius coach doesn't understand that and still thinks we can attack with the ball and bowl teams out for 120.

 

[idrizzy]

Amir is superior to all of them and the tournament will prove that

But yes the rest are far ahead of the Pakistani counterparts

Basically this. Amir > Indian fast bowlers > Hasan Ali >>>> daylight >>>> Pak fast bowlers

 

[PakLFC]

Akram would get smashed on these tracks too.

Cricket has totally changed and we need to understand that. Bowlers are now the equivalents of defenders, not strikers. These are roads, the ball is made differently so moves less and 2 new balls rule out reverse swing.

Indian bowlers didnt bowl anywhere near as well as Amir today- it was the quality of the batsmen they were bowling to which made the difference. And that was the difference, this target was par. Replace Hafeez and Shahzad with Guptill and Williamson or Warner and Smith and we were going to India lose.

Thats that simple. Unfortunately our genius coach doesn't understand that and still thinks we can attack with the ball and bowl teams out for 120.

But Akram took crucial wickets despite giving loads of runs and no balls away. What I am saying is that Amir although decent is no where near as great as many Pak fans believe. Can only play during your time, Wasim won many matches including the WC for Pak. Of course this is not to suggest that our batsmen are any good in fact I would say that other teams tail enders are better then our front line batsmen.

Coach can't play the game on behalf of players. Need momentum at the top to give us a fast and furious start instead we get Azhar Ali blocking every ball as if it's a test match. Shambolic and negative planning by a team of mice.

 

[wasimjunior]

But Akram took crucial wickets despite giving loads of runs and no balls away. What I am saying is that Amir although decent is no where near as great as many Pak fans believe. Can only play during your time, Wasim won many matches including the WC for Pak. Of course this is not to suggest that our batsmen are any good in fact I would say that other teams tail enders are better then our front line batsmen.

Coach can't play the game on behalf of players. Need momentum at the top to give us a fast and furious start instead we get Azhar Ali blocking every ball as if it's a test match. Shambolic and negative planning by a team of mice.

Precisely - so why are you bringing Akram into this debate.

What I'm arguing is wicket takers and match winning seamers don't exist anymore due to conditions. Its dead.

Look at how starc, rabada etc all go the distance now.

Amir kept it amazingly tight today and I do believe he's over hyped but today he was simply brilliant.

Funniest thing is our management still won't realise that they lost due to a par score not being chased.

Also you can't blame azhar when his benchmark is shahzad and hafeez.

Hafeez shahzad and wahab get dropped and we can easily beat teams.

 

[Rightarmfast]

No, our bowling attack is still better because we have that innate X-factor but this Pakistani attack is not the same one from the 90s or even the one we had during 2012-13. It's a good attack but won't be bailing the hapless batting out game after game.

India has improved in both departments while Pakistan has regressed.

Hahahaha! I was waiting for your comment So your bowling is still better because its got ' X' factor? lolz... Wonder when they will exhibit it ))))

 

[cric_fanatic]

The fact is india is way superior to Pakistan in all three skills, batting, bowling and fielding. I wonder when will some people accept the fact. Its becoming a big joke now to even hear people have an argument on this.

 

[PakLFC]

Precisely - so why are you bringing Akram into this debate.

What I'm arguing is wicket takers and match winning seamers don't exist anymore due to conditions. Its dead.

Look at how starc, rabada etc all go the distance now.

Amir kept it amazingly tight today and I do believe he's over hyped but today he was simply brilliant.

Funniest thing is our management still won't realise that they lost due to a par score not being chased.

Also you can't blame azhar when his benchmark is shahzad and hafeez.

Hafeez shahzad and wahab get dropped and we can easily beat teams.

To show how our standards in bowling have dropped. To explain how overrated Amir is when most of our fans go gaga about him. To bad even when "brilliant" he can not get wickets. The point I am making is that Indian bowlers are better then ours perhaps for the first time in history. Whilst the days of express fast bowlers may have gone we should still be producing far better then Hasan Ali and Amir.

We keep crying about who should be dropped without putting forward any suitable replacements. Shehzad and co don't make Azhar play slower then a tortoise. Being an opener in one day matches his job is to get quick runs.

 

[Macho Mann]

it is an irony that wahab riaz, hasan ali are the best bowlers PCB could manage when we have much better experienced bowlers not being selected

its not like pakistan doesnt have good bowlers, its totally mismanagement by PCB

pakistan team is playing with shadab and imad wasim, which amazes me because we can play zulfeqar babar who is much more experienced and tested and not half as bad as them

 

[superman]

Dear wrist slitters hahaha. And some ppl were sayin M Amir wouldn't get into an Indian Fast bowling attack. We lost as out batsman were terrible we had shezad hafeez and azhar who were actually assisting the trundlers. SL have shown these halfling bowlers their aukaat

 

[Zak_Fan]

Dear wrist slitters hahaha. And some ppl were sayin M Amir wouldn't get into an Indian Fast bowling attack. We lost as out batsman were terrible we had shezad hafeez and azhar who were actually assisting the trundlers. SL have shown these halfling bowlers their aukaat

Yeah, Bhuvi going at an ER of 4, and Bumrah going at 4.5 .. surely being shown their aukaat.

Even Umesh is doing better than Pakistan's best bowler Hasan Ali going for just 6 on this batta !!