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Having seen Pakistan troubling the English batsmen, it looks like it would be a cake walk for us.

We have a better overall test attack, compared to Pakistan.

How will our bowling perform?

I think we should be able to win 2 - 1 atleast.
 
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Mind explaining how India's bowling attack is better then Pakistans? Going by what your saying, it's not only better, it is comfortably better.
 
Kohli said:
Having seen Pakistan troubling the English batsmen, it looks like it would be a cake walk for us.

We have a better overall test attack, compared to Pakistan.

How will our bowling perform?

I think we should be able to win 2 - 1 atleast.
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Pakistan bowling with hasan Ali is miles better thannthe Indian bowling

Both Abbas and Hassan average below 25 with the ball in FC and Tests.
 
We dont have a bowler like Hasan.Shami is good but if not in rhythm he leaks a lot of runs.Still we have a decent attack to trouble England but I wont keep my hopes high.
In 2014 Srilanka drew with England and we lost the series.Most teams find form againist India
 
By the time India plays England the pitches wont swing as much, English batsmen will have regained their form and the Indian team's chance of winning a test will slip away.

Plus, I dont think India has a leg spinner in test like Shadab who will trouble the English. Ashwin wont be able to do much in England.

Virat injuing his neck is an ominous sign that the Gods dont want India to do well in England... :ssmith

:rp
 
I think we are underestimating Indias bowling. If there is swing available, then Bhuvi Kumar will make a joke out of these batsmen. Have you not seen how he bowled in S.A . Also Bumrah is a good option with his height and pace. Indias batting will be tested but there bowling can do as much damage if not more than Pakistan. bhuvi is more experienced and a seasoned new baller than abbas. Secondly Chahal might play considering what shadab and yasir have done and also chahal took 6 wickets against england
 
Oligochaetes said:
By the time India plays England the pitches wont swing as much, English batsmen will have regained their form and the Indian team's chance of winning a test will slip away.

Plus, I dont think India has a leg spinner in test like Shadab who will trouble the English. Ashwin wont be able to do much in England.

Virat injuing his neck is an ominous sign that the Gods dont want India to do well in England... :ssmith

:rp
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Exactly... except the viral Kohli bit ... :):)
Pakistan’s bowling looks much more threatening... English commies already calling them fast bowling quartet ...
 
you guys have lost 18 tests overseas. I really want them to be smashed all round the park. Pace bowling is not your cup of tea. 4-1 coming up. Maybe a whitewash! whitewash would be great.
 
Kohli said:
Sorry Asch Ali, as per my knowledge there is a difference between T20 bowling, and tests.

If you can't differentiate, then I could not help. Learn it.
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Ok can you tell how is indian Test bowling better? Never have seen them bowl well really.
 
Asch Ali said:
Ok can you tell how is indian Test bowling better? Never have seen them bowl well really.
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If you have not seen then it's your fault. I am sorry, I don't have time to explain it to you. I gave my opinion. You can easily disagree with me. You can even say Zimbabwe has better test attack than Ind. No issues.
 
Kohli said:
If you have not seen then it's your fault. I am sorry, I don't have time to explain it to you. I gave my opinion. You can easily disagree with me. You can even say Zimbabwe has better test attack than Ind. No issues.
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If you can’t explain then it’s a weak opinion. The fact that you are wrong can be simply proven by watching any of India’s Test matches. Indian fast bowling isn’t better than Pakistan’s. Period.
 
Asch Ali said:
If you can’t explain then it’s a weak opinion. The fact that you are wrong can be simply proven by watching any of India’s Test matches. Indian fast bowling isn’t better than Pakistan’s. Period.
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Lol at the period part. If you think you still have Wasim Waqar and Indian bowling is lead by venky and kuruvilla you need to wake up and smell coffee.
 
LOL indians are behaving like they won the test series against SA. India be ready for a phainty like you have been receiving for last several years. Pretty abysmal record only 2 wins and lost some 18 matches. I mean that is really pathetic.
 
If a 7th ranked team is trashing this overrated English side, just imagine what damage no. 1 team will do.
This is the best chance for India to win the series (by a good margin).
Anything less than 3-1 will hurt.
 
Kaptan said:
If a 7th ranked team is trashing this overrated English side, just imagine what damage no. 1 team will do.
This is the best chance for India to win the series (by a good margin).
Anything less than 3-1 will hurt.
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You guys are reacting same just like in the past when Sl beat eng in eng 2014 but remember what next happen?4-0 to india
 
dauntless said:
LOL indians are behaving like they won the test series against SA. India be ready for a phainty like you have been receiving for last several years. Pretty abysmal record only 2 wins and lost some 18 matches. I mean that is really pathetic.
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Lol Pathetic is being ranked 7 out of 10 countries :)))
 
Kaptan said:
If a 7th ranked team is trashing this overrated English side, just imagine what damage no. 1 team will do.
This is the best chance for India to win the series (by a good margin).
Anything less than 3-1 will hurt.
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If India doesn't do well, just imagine the thrashing the likes of you will recieve on here. Or you won't show up, as has been the case whenever such situations arise :))
 
Send1983 said:
Watch their bowling in SA series. Now don’t want to hear excuse that SA is a minnow.
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Never said that. Indian bowling in that series was very average. You were out-performed by then and lost the series. Nothing special Indian fast bowlers delivered in that series. The pitch even was rated as POOR by the ICC. Plus the South African side was very weak, only half of their star players played!!

Send1983 said:
Lol at the period part. If you think you still have Wasim Waqar and Indian bowling is lead by venky and kuruvilla you need to wake up and smell coffee.
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That’s an ad hominem. Indian Test fast bowling is not better than Pakistan’s.
 
Cozyrensetter said:
We dont have a bowler like Hasan.Shami is good but if not in rhythm he leaks a lot of runs.Still we have a decent attack to trouble England but I wont keep my hopes high.
In 2014 Srilanka drew with England and we lost the series.Most teams find form againist India
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See the thing is pak is playing well no doubt about that, but pak is playing a 2 match series, which is kind of a lottery on the other hand we are playing a long series, which is quite draining
 
Kaptan said:
Still better than losing to Zimbabwe, SL, and WI. :)))
See, I can do this whole day.
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India have lost a test to zim and wi too.as for sl is concern they are improving side who draw two test to so called aus of 2000
 
To be fair I do think India have a better test bowling up. Pak probably have the better odi attack
 
Love it when these Indians talk about overseas performances. Oh the irony. Only 2 years ago we were ranked number 1. Rankings are volatile. Seems like [MENTION=140337]Kaptan[/MENTION] here doesn’t understand the meaning of transition periods
 
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aliasad1998 said:
Love it when these Indians talk about overseas performances. Oh the irony. Only 2 years ago we were ranked number 1. Rankings are volatile. Seems like [MENTION=140337]Kaptan[/MENTION] here doesn’t understand the meaning of transition periods
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These guys have short memories. They were also ranked 7 in 2015.
 
Asch Ali said:
Never said that. Indian bowling in that series was very average. You were out-performed by then and lost the series. Nothing special Indian fast bowlers delivered in that series. The pitch even was rated as POOR by the ICC. Plus the South African side was very weak, only half of their star players played!!



That’s an ad hominem. Indian Test fast bowling is not better than Pakistan’s.
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Poor excuse. Thats expected from you. Btw S.A. had full strength team in test.

Now England has great batting line up ?

Again you didn't explain why yours is better. Try to follow whatever you are preaching to OP.
 
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Even Indians do not argue about bowling comparison. Pak bowling was, is and most probably will be better than Ind bowling. No shame in accepting the facts.
 
Kohli said:
Having seen Pakistan troubling the English batsmen, it looks like it would be a cake walk for us.

We have a better overall test attack, compared to Pakistan.

How will our bowling perform?

I think we should be able to win 2 - 1 atleast.
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Better test attack. :)))

The English will burry the Indian team by either 4-1 or 5-0. Its going to be a slaughter for you guys.
 
Kaptan said:
If a 7th ranked team is trashing this overrated English side, just imagine what damage no. 1 team will do.
This is the best chance for India to win the series (by a good margin).
Anything less than 3-1 will hurt.
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Please dont run away when your team would get their usual away thrashing.
 
Slim said:
Please dont run away when your team would get their usual away thrashing.
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Please don’t run away when India win the series. Btw unlike your team we have won a series in England in last 2 decades.
 
Send1983 said:
Please don’t run away when India win the series. Btw unlike your team we have won a series in England in last 2 decades.
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As this situation is not even going to happen therefore i am not too bummed about it. Btw unlike your team, we havent gotten thrashed at home by England. :)))
 
People are seriously underestimating India's bowling.

Bhuvi

Shami

Ishant

Umesh / Bumrah

Kuldeep

For the first time in years i'm more confident about our bowling than our batting which says something.
 
aliasad1998 said:
Love it when these Indians talk about overseas performances. Oh the irony. Only 2 years ago we were ranked number 1. Rankings are volatile. Seems like [MENTION=140337]Kaptan[/MENTION] here doesn’t understand the meaning of transition periods
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Man really ? :facepalm:
Is it soo easy to be ranked no 1 multiple times for more than 1 year ? How many teams have done than ?
Yes, you reached no 1 but for how many weeks? Its relatively easy to reach the top but quiet difficult to stay there.
I am really happy to see Pakistan beat England (the team I hate the most) but don't bring down the performance of India
 
Slim said:
Better test attack. :)))

The English will burry the Indian team by either 4-1 or 5-0. Its going to be a slaughter for you guys.
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I didn't know that Pakistan is so technologically advanced that you managed to build a time machine before even the likes of US, South Korea or Japan.
 
Slim said:
As this situation is not even going to happen therefore i am not too bummed about it. Btw unlike your team, we havent gotten thrashed at home by England. :)))
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Last thing you need to do is talk about home performance and that too against an Indian fan. We have won 19 out of 20 matches and winning at home left right center unlike your team which was whitewashed by SL at home , lost a test match to minnow Windies, let NZ and S.A. draw at home.
 
Send1983 said:
Last thing you need to do is talk about home performance and that too against an Indian fan. We have won 19 out of 20 matches and winning at home left right center unlike your team which was whitewashed by SL at home , lost a test match to minnow Windies, let NZ and S.A. draw at home.
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You lost to the pommies at home who cant buy a win in Asia. :)))
 
Slim said:
You lost to the pommies at home who cant buy a win in Asia. :)))
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That was 6 years back, dude.Wheras your failures are recent.Look at how they are struggling now to get wickets once the movement went of.Also at our bowlers' performance in SA.Our bowlers are faster ,have more stamina to bowl longer spells and hence better in Test cricket.
 
Send1983 said:
Talking about bowling attack which their job pretty much every innings. Btw you attack last bowled in S.A., you got whitewashed.
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When was the last time when India won 2 Test matches in a series against England at England?
 
Dingolfy said:
That was 6 years back, dude.Wheras your failures are recent.Look at how they are struggling now to get wickets once the movement went of.Also at our bowlers' performance in SA.Our bowlers are faster ,have more stamina to bowl longer spells and hence better in Test cricket.
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I am all up for waiting and see your delusions blow up in your faces. :smith

Rahul1 said:
You were whitewashed by Sri Lanka at your fortress while we whitewashed them in their own home.
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I thought we were talking about England here. Good try though. :narine
 
Slim said:
You lost to the pommies at home who cant buy a win in Asia. :)))
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That’s def better than losing a test to no 9 team at home and losing a test series at home to poor team like SL who we are thrashing like eating breakfast. They have never ever won a test match in India.

When you win 1000 games, nothing wrong on losing one. it happens.
 
Kaptan said:
Man really ? :facepalm:
Is it soo easy to be ranked no 1 multiple times for more than 1 year ? How many teams have done than ?
Yes, you reached no 1 but for how many weeks? Its relatively easy to reach the top but quiet difficult to stay there.
I am really happy to see Pakistan beat England (the team I hate the most) but don't bring down the performance of India
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Dear, as i am seeing you are really interested in rankings but to be fair rankings are nothing, they are just farce. On a bad day even a minnow can do upset. These rankings change after one match.
You will talk about ranking, Pak posters will talk about your Away tour performances which is 18-2 or something.

So no one is gonna win this debate. I hope India will perform better against England (And i think it's going to happen).

Good luck
 
Hermoine Green said:
Dear, as i am seeing you are really interested in rankings but to be fair rankings are nothing, they are just farce. On a bad day even a minnow can do upset. These rankings change after one match.
You will talk about ranking, Pak posters will talk about your Away tour performances which is 18-2 or something.

So no one is gonna win this debate. I hope India will perform better against England (And i think it's going to happen).

Good luck
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Keep giving excuses for your no 7 ranking. Do you want me to bump up the celebration thread when your team became no 1 ranked team?

18-2 is wrong. Btw India performed better than your team in Aus, NZ, SA, Windies and SL. England is the only place your team has done better than ours. At home no competition at all.

You must be the last one to talk about away performance as your team was whitewashed last time they toured Aus, NZ and SA. We have at least won or drawn a few games there in our last visit.
 
Send1983 said:
At least we have won a series in last 15 yrs. What is this new filter that winning two games. I would take 1-0 any day over 2-2.
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Handsome tactic of last 15 years :) Why not then check over all record. I am sure you are good with stats...
 
Hermoine Green said:
Handsome tactic of last 15 years :) Why not then check over all record. I am sure you are good with stats...
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We are talking about bowlers here.Compare the performance of our bowlers in last few tests against yours.You couldnt even get SriLankans out and rely on poor Yasir to get wickets whereas even our Hardik Pandya take wickets and bowls faster than your regular bowlers.
 
Indian attack can cause England problems but let's see if they can win a series.
 
Kohli said:
Few days to go. Hope out bowlers rip the English line up apart.
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Shami and Kuldeep Yadav are the only ones who can run through.

Shami : Out of form (warm up)

Kuldeep : Not tested, May go 4rpo or might get a match-winning 10fer! :warne
 
TheLastGreatMan said:
Based on last few test series England played in England old records of our team doesnt matter
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It matters actually. There is a reason why India doesn't do well in away tests no matter what the opposition's strength is. All opposition teams get into form all of a sudden when India plays them. And most in form batters lose their form.

Point is no matter what people try to make that 'hey this time India has big chance' 'hey this time India can do it', in reality it's extremely difficult to win away series. It will be great achievement if India does well this time. And I am hoping they beat the usual thrashing they get, and give back some thrashing.
 
cricketworm said:
It matters actually. There is a reason why India doesn't do well in away tests no matter what the opposition's strength is. All opposition teams get into form all of a sudden when India plays them. And most in form batters lose their form.

Point is no matter what people try to make that 'hey this time India has big chance' 'hey this time India can do it', in reality it's extremely difficult to win away series. It will be great achievement if India does well this time. And I am hoping they beat the usual thrashing they get, and give back some thrashing.
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Not only batting , England was struggling to take lower order wickets of opposition in last few series.As they now become better side in limited overs their strength in Tests reduced drastically.
 
TheLastGreatMan said:
Not only batting , England was struggling to take lower order wickets of opposition in last few series.As they now become better side in limited overs their strength in Tests reduced drastically.
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Lower order who plays in ODis are the same who play in tests. So they can transfer the same form into Test.

I am worried about England lower order more than Odis. It's Bairstow, Buttler, Ali, Rashid and Stokes. (they all can hit 50 when they are in form) These are the same lower order in ODis.

Indian lower order play better thanks to Ashwin and Bhuvi. Bhuvi won't be there. Jadeja not trust worthy anymore. Hardik very newbie. So, it will take some achievement to do better than England.
 
With Bhuvi and Bumrah out of the scene, responsibility now lies on Sharmaji and Umesh and hope the right version of Shami shows up.I still don't understand why they selected fat and short trundler Thakur instead Siraj who bowled brilliantly in A tour against both Windies A and English Lions.
 
WhenSultansBowled said:
Shami and Kuldeep Yadav are the only ones who can run through.

Shami : Out of form (warm up)

Kuldeep : Not tested, May go 4rpo or might get a match-winning 10fer! :warne
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Having seen live stream i can say shami was out of form on 1st day but 2nd day he came back reversing the ball very well and got his catches got dropped like 2 - 3 times so i won't really worry about his rhythm. The biggest problem for us is slip fielding and wicket keeper. They are known to drop few catches every match and Virat being in slip fielding tells what our level is. These guys are going to drop some key wickets and then face big defeats.
 
mp812rediff said:
Actually just out of curiosity ..... how many series win in England do India and Pakistan each have?
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I may be mistaken but if i remember correctly India has 3 series wins when touring England ( 1971, 1986 , 2007)
Based on comments here, I though Pakistan had won a lot more series touring England.
But I only recall series wins in 1987 , 1992 and 1996 i.e 3 series wins.

If stats are not wrong,both teams have been poor travellers to England. aint it?
 
Already looking toothless,why did they play hardik instead of kuldeep?
And still no shami.
 
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