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Indian Christians Prosecution: Funds collected by RSS in USA to demolish Churches in India
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Not going to watch a long video but if true, its gaining funds for terrorism, in this case state terrorism.
When India elected an extremist terrorist government this would be coming. But Hindus arent standing up to this extremism but are instead supporting it. The notion Hinduism is a peaceful religion is being shattered yearly while RSS rule the land.
When India elected an extremist terrorist government this would be coming. But Hindus arent standing up to this extremism but are instead supporting it. The notion Hinduism is a peaceful religion is being shattered yearly while RSS rule the land.
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The religious demography of Indian Punjab will change forever soon. There are record levels of hindus and sikhs becoming Christians. Statistically, in a short span of time, Christianity increased from 1.5% to 10/15%.
Lol, can you provide any neutral source for your claim? not some Christian missionary sources.
I have heard about it too. Record number of Sikhs becoming Christians in Indian Punjab.
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Please have a read of this article:
https://article-14.com/post/religio...at-makes-majority-sikhs-nervous-6316b7212f2d7
This article gives an insight of Indian punjabis informally converting to Christianity. Yet for government benefits, these people do not officially change their religion on paper.
https://www.opindia.com/2022/09/chr...rns-demographic-change-caste-certificate/amp/
Dalits are the soft underbelly for both Sikhism and Hinduism. Christianity and Islam will continue to exploit the soft spot forever.
In the past few decades many Dalits converted to Buddhism and Hindu right wing did not react violently as they consider Buddhists as Hindus. But conversion to Christianity will raise alarm bells for both Hindus and Sikhs. More so for Sikhs as they already are a small minority.
Evangelists are well organized and funded in India. I believe Christians will overtake Muslims as the largest minority in the next decade or so. There are millions of closet Christians in India. They don’t change their name and do not reveal their religion unless pressed.
The stink of Caste system will be the downfall of both Hinduism and Sikhism.
Dalits are the soft underbelly for both Sikhism and Hinduism. Christianity and Islam will continue to exploit the soft spot forever.
In the past few decades many Dalits converted to Buddhism and Hindu right wing did not react violently as they consider Buddhists as Hindus. But conversion to Christianity will raise alarm bells for both Hindus and Sikhs. More so for Sikhs as they already are a small minority.
Evangelists are well organized and funded in India. I believe Christians will overtake Muslims as the largest minority in the next decade or so. There are millions of closet Christians in India. They don’t change their name and do not reveal their religion unless pressed.
The stink of Caste system will be the downfall of both Hinduism and Sikhism.
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So, RSS seems to have an issue with both Muslims and Christians.
RSS is very insecure.
This fundraising took place in USA. Will there be any consequence?
RSS is very insecure.
This fundraising took place in USA. Will there be any consequence?
Dalits and Tribals form close to 40% of India’s population. Almost all of the Dalits I know are Christians. Very few are Hindus. If they along with other backward castes convert to Christianity, they will become the majority in India.
It’s not about insecurity. It’s about irreversible change of demographics. I have seen Dalits Muslims too who embraced Christianity. It gives them more freedom as well as perks.
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Well, if a society is shunning them or if they are considered undesirable by the upper class, I do not see any issue if they convert to Christianity for greater respect or betterment.
We need to solve the root cause, ie the caste system and not the conversion.
And if 40% of Indians end up becoming Christian, so be it. They will still remain Indians.
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It will potentially improve Pakistan and India relationship in the long term if that happens.
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Indian church vandalised just days after Christmas amid spurt in attacks on Christians
A church was vandalised and a statue of baby Jesus was left damaged in India’s southwestern Karnataka state, just two days after Christmas celebrations.
The St Mary’s church in Mysuru city was defaced on Tuesday, according to the police, who are tracing surveillance footage to identify the accused.
The suspect reportedly entered the church after breaking into the back door. The staff noticed the damage to the church at 6pm local time and intimated the pastor, who filed a complaint with the local police.
The stolen money from the church’s donation box led the police to suspect the vandalism to be an act of theft, based on a first impression. “We have formed special teams and the probe is underway,” superintendent of police Seema Latkar said.
Police said the vandalism cannot be concluded as an attack on the church as the other statues of Jesus were left untouched.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/worl...sedgntp&cvid=46b10068dace4b46bb75f46e489ebe75
A church was vandalised and a statue of baby Jesus was left damaged in India’s southwestern Karnataka state, just two days after Christmas celebrations.
The St Mary’s church in Mysuru city was defaced on Tuesday, according to the police, who are tracing surveillance footage to identify the accused.
The suspect reportedly entered the church after breaking into the back door. The staff noticed the damage to the church at 6pm local time and intimated the pastor, who filed a complaint with the local police.
The stolen money from the church’s donation box led the police to suspect the vandalism to be an act of theft, based on a first impression. “We have formed special teams and the probe is underway,” superintendent of police Seema Latkar said.
Police said the vandalism cannot be concluded as an attack on the church as the other statues of Jesus were left untouched.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/worl...sedgntp&cvid=46b10068dace4b46bb75f46e489ebe75
I stopped watching that video at the 2 min mark where the guy claimed with a straight face that Babri masjid was illegally demolished without so much as mentioning the Ram mandir that stood there proven through scientific methods that nobody disputes. So if you want me to spend time on watching that video further please tell me using proper facts reasoning and logic why I must invest time in listening to people who are obviously biased if not have vested interests and agendas.
What scientific methods? The RSS ones that talk off plastic surgery being done in India centuries back or mutants flying around too? So we should all then demolish current buildings to what they once were at the beginning of time is the absurd view of Hindu fanatics.
So now Indian people speaking against the RSS are biased as well?. Only RSS hooligans harassing Muslim's and Christian's are humanitarians.
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Changing religions won’t do anything for Pakistanis or Indians day to day situation. Our bias, racism, colorism, caste discrimination, ethno-regional linguistic, etc will always be there. Change of religion does nothing to fox that unfortunately, the discriminated will always be discriminated.
The Allahabad high court had ordered a Archeological excavation of the site back in 2002/3 The ASI (archeological survey of India) worked with a renowned geo physicist Claude Robillard to perform a ground penetrating radar survey which concluded that a structure existed beneath the mosque and a excavation was necessary to find the details of the structure. Since the matter was very sensitive the court ensured that the excavation was carried out under the presence of all parties involved in the dispute to witness the whole process which lasted for months. Furthermore the 3 judges who ruled on the findings included a Muslim Judge.
Watch this 5 min video answers all questions you have asked(Explained by none other than the former ASI head) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uuc6Ok3GThs&ab_channel=ABPNEWS
These are the hard irrefutable facts which clearly answers the real chronology of events and the origins of Babri masjid. Now feel free to tell me why I need to watch that video in the OP when it is clear that he is misrepresenting facts.
In both Pak and India caste is more important then anything else. Even among Pak Muslim's people are more interested in a person's "zaat" then anything else. In any marriage proposal the families want compatibility in caste followed by wealth then comes anything else.
In India the Christian missionaries and evangelists run many institutions. It is very easy to convert poor Hindu people by offering them food, job and education to their children. These Christian institutions are now targeting the Sikh's of Indian Punjab as well. Such Christian institutions are supported by wealthy countries like the UK and USA.
To a degree Pak being a Muslim country with strong connections to wealthier Muslim countries like Saudi and UAE are much safer.
In India the Christian missionaries and evangelists run many institutions. It is very easy to convert poor Hindu people by offering them food, job and education to their children. These Christian institutions are now targeting the Sikh's of Indian Punjab as well. Such Christian institutions are supported by wealthy countries like the UK and USA.
To a degree Pak being a Muslim country with strong connections to wealthier Muslim countries like Saudi and UAE are much safer.
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First educate yourself. There was a survey and excavation done by the Archaeological survey of India which found and documented the existence of a grand previous structure below the disputed structure. Idols of Hindu gods were found underneath the disputed structure.
Well, when muslim tyrants looted and broke hindu temples and built mosques over it, that very day it was destined that the hindus will take back their places of worship.
Hindus are only talking about 3 temples to be reconstructed:
Ayodhya
Mathura
Kashi
Logically after muslims of the subcontinent got a separate homeland, hindus should have got back all their temples as a fair exchange. Sadly it didn't happen.
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Not dalits. Its the tribals who mainly convert to Christianity. But now there is a serious blow back happening both in the legal and social ways.
Even the supreme court has asked the government to stop these conversions which are based on allurement.
The govt has clamped on the funds flowing from Western countries and many conversion missionaries are finding it tough now.
2 state governments are in support of these missionaries, TN and AP.
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Actually many are Christian on paper and hindus by faith. They go to church on Sunday to get money and benefits.
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Don't confuse the Hindu caste system with the Muslim/Pakistani group/clan/ethnicity system.
The Hindu caste system is a pyramid hierarchy where a person can move up or down the pyramid after death and reincarnation. Although some say that you can also move up or down during your lifetime, via marriage for example.
Muslims don't believe in reincarnation. And the Muslim/Pakistani group/clan/ethnicity system is not a pyramid hierarchy.
I am much better educated then you, thanks. I stopped reading at "There was a survey and excavation done by the Archaeological survey of India. It is true that the Mughals inflicted a lot of damage on Hindu's however for how long will you carry this burden? Now you want to change the Taj in to a Hindu temple too so no it is not just three temples!
For Hindu's to reclaim their temples you will need another so called partition. This is because the over 200 million Muslim's of India will not allow Hindu's to do whatever they want.
Never mind what type of cast system it is in Pak among Muslim's it is equally as important. We may not believe in reincarnation but even Pak Punjabi's marry Punjabi's and Pathan's do Pathan's etc. These are even worse then castes.
Benefit from both sides then. When I was in high school, the peon there who I thought was a Christian(his name was Samuel), turned out to be Hindu. He used to go to church regularly, but had the pictures of Hindu Gods at home. He clearly was playing double game there.
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Indian Muslims are a timid bunch so nothing will happen.
Anyways, back to the thread, it would be interesting to see Indian demography in 2050.
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This is untrue. There are a lot of cross ethnic marriages in Pakistan in this day and age.
Only Muslims will properly tell their religion in India. By 2050, most will be religiously ambiguous. A person may be following more than one religion out of Hindu, Christian and Sikh.
I do believe Sikhs will be in trouble by then. Their population will be on a massive decline. They have less children and the low caste Sikhs are converting to Christianity. Buddhism will be on the rise too.
So on the one hand you acknowledge that wrongs were committed by Mughals but at the same time you expect Hindus to pretend that it didn't happen and worse allow Muslims in 21st century to take pride and celebrate the same Mughal/Muslim empires which were a blot on humanity ? How does this make any sense ?
But you have hit the nail on its head in identifying the root cause of the constant friction between the two communities. As long as people keep eulogizing , protecting the legacies of such rulers from the past no lasting progress can be achieved.
Among the elite. The poor are still in to this zaat rubbish.
The people that killed the Hindu's are gone as are the Mughals who were responsible for all that carnage. It makes perfect sense when you understand that it is simply not possible to live in the past. You can not bring down every Masjid saying it was once a temple without any evidence other then hatred for the Muslims. The Muslim's of today are not responsible for what the Mughal's did.
Muslim's celebrating or condemning the Mughal's will not change what happened centuries back. To move forward India has to make peace with it's past.
If what happened in the past was utterly wrong what seems to be the problem in acknowledging that and trying to rectify it and bring closure? And no not every Masjid is being asked to be demolished ... only the three holiest most shrines in Hinduism.
And BTW this theory of pretending that there was no wrong done in the past has been tried for no less than nearly a century since a certain MK Gandhi returned from Africa and embarked on a journey to appease Muslims in the name of Hindu Muslim unity + freedom.. History is evidence that it did not end well for millions of Hindus. Hence the birth of RSS and the rest as they say is history.
So you want to rectify this so called problem by punishing today's Indian Muslim's and bringing down their Mosques is where the problem is. Europeans have also inflicted much damage on Muslim's from the crusades to war's in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Muslim's of the subcontinent also suffered at the hands of the British as well. Once again the victims and perpetrators of these heinous crimes are no more hence i do not carry the weight of history on my shoulders. Ultimately whatever happens good or bad is and was the will of Allah!
Are the Hindu's not also wanting to convert the Taj in to a temple too? No one asked Gandhi to be pro Muslim moreover he was murdered by a fanatic Hindu not a Muslim so where is the problem?. The RSS are only causing damage to India not Pak or anyone else. Seeing their absurd these people will bring civil war to India. They are a much bigger threat to your country then Pak or even China are.
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Then use some other word then.
The Hindu pyramid hierarchical caste system is as different to the UK/Western Class system, as to the Muslim/Pakistani group/clan/ethnicity system.
As for marriage in the context you mention, similar boundaries exists to varying degrees in every society. Eg in the West, someone from a low working class is not easily going to be able to marry someone from the aristocracy (unless the partner from the higher group rebels against their family - even then the marriage will not last long).
Even now, in many parts of the world. marrying someone from another tribe, or clan is a cause for war between the two tribes/clans. It is not unique to the Hindu caste system or the Muslim/Pakistani group/clan/ethnicity system.
Equating the Hindu pyramid hierarchical caste system to the Muslim/Pakistani group/clan/ethnicity system is like comparing apples to oranges, at best mistaken, otherwise delusional.
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Discrimination is exactly that no matter what you call it. I can understand most families and people marrying in their own religious belief that makes perfect sense. As you admit that boundaries exist irrespective of what you call it is enough to end on this debate.
Sure wealthy people will seldom marry or go in to a relationship with those from a working class background. This is more on the basis of financial reason more then religious ones after all why would someone with money and fame not demand a similar partner? That said most footballers, cricketers even movies stars do mostly have non celebrity partners.
As far as I know Pakistanis also are very much in to Aryan, Jatt, Rajput and all that as much as Indian's are.
For the subcontinent as a whole to prosper it's people must forget 1947, 1948, 1965, 1971, 1999, the destruction of temples and mosques and everything else. Once the Europeans were killing each other where as now they are happily coexisting, progressing and making loads of money. Until this happens the subcontinent will continue to be a dirt poor laughing stock.
If I condemn the RSS then I do so the Taliban as well as both are two sides of the same coin. Here we see Indian people are applauding the RSS for destroying Masjid's causing damage to their own country. The RSS are so ignorant if they feel by bringing down Masjid's in India they are somehow causing Pak pain and hurt.
If I condemn the RSS then I do so the Taliban as well as both are two sides of the same coin. Here we see Indian people are applauding the RSS for destroying Masjid's causing damage to their own country. The RSS are so ignorant if they feel by bringing down Masjid's in India they are somehow causing Pak pain and hurt.
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Can you tell me how reconstructing the Ayodhya Ram temple amounts to punishing given that the Mosque was constructed by bringing down a temple
to begin with?
Because the Mosque that you claim was built on top of your temple was centuries back. After this the trend will start of bringing down more Masjid's and Muslim mausoleums leading to greater trouble.
First of all the fight to reclaim these sites has been going on for centuries its not a modern thing as these are some of the most holiest of shrines in Hinduism ... its never been forgotten. Its not like one day someone woke up and said these are now ours.
And as I said earlier only the select few such sites are being asked to be handed over and not the 1000's of temples all over India. Had Muslims willingly handed over these sites it would have gone a loooong way in bringing closure. But sadly there is no shortage of people who actually take great pride in such structures that are a living reminder of everything unholy that happened in the past. This is why there will never be any peace between the two.
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You’ll never see a Muslim do this tbh. Or a Jew:
Why are Hindus always the ones doing this?
Take it easy buddy, Christians will remain a minority in India. Hinduism isn't so weak as to be overrun by Christianity.
So you will then continue to fight for centuries and expand the argument of what is yours and there's?. You can not expect the other side to conform to your absurd views that every Muslim site was once a Hindu one.
Oh no! As i said you are also fussing over the Taj Mahal too among other historical sites. Some Hindu extremists also claim for the Holy Kaa'ba to be an ancient Hindu site as well. The Muslim's are well within their rights to fight for what they believe in if the disagree. The only alternative is a civil war in your country or another break up of India which the Hindu's seem o be accelerating.
Yes Muslim's all over the world are very proud in what we built. There is nothing like the splendor of Islamic architecture. there is nothing unholy about then other then the Hindu inferiority complex. India is not the UK or USA where you will tell the Muslim's what to think or do.
Just to be clear .... are you saying that there is nothing wrong in extremely holy temples being destroyed and building a Mosque on top of it ? I thought you said it was wrong in an earlier post but this post appears to contradict that. Please clarify.
I am saying that people should not fight over what was converted centuries back. Let sleeping dog's lie and move on otherwise you'll be stuck in a never ending quagmire. Live n today's world where nothing is being forcefully converted to anything. If a Church was build over a Masjid then that should also remain in place.
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Yes you will. Not a Pakistani Muslim. But Muslim from other parts yes. Also many Jews here in nyc I know are Jews and Buddhist or what not.
It will. It is spreading rapidly in South and East India. There is nothing the Upper caste can do about this.
As I have said we have tried that route by going to extreme lengths to appease Muslims. Everything from glorifying Mughal rulers and completely sweeping all the atrocities under the carpet and giving them prominent mention in History books to Hajj subsidies to separate Muslim personal law have been tried. It had the opposite effect. What it did was send a message that there was nothing wrong in the old ways. All of this is unravelling now in the digital age where information cannot be hidden anymore. People have had enough of this nonsense and want a course correction. Hence why you see very little patience for this communal nonsense which are dealt with a firm hand.
Appeasing Muslim's by killing them, demolishing Babri and all that? You are doing them no favours by glorifying Muslim's rulers and the rest. You can't change history even if you hate the Mughal's that you may do. Now if you want Hindu rule then say it openly and stop playing these secular games. If you are secular then are compelled to live according to it's values.
What old ways were good that you are talking about and what cannot be concealed anymore? This communal hatred in your country will only bring damage to India, no one else. The day a massive civil war breaks out in your country Hindutva fanatics will be crying as to what they've done. The monster they created will be out of control.
Most violence against Muslims is in response to needless un-provoked acts of violence from Muslims. Anyone who has lived in India will tell you that Muslims have a major problem when it comes to integration and living peacefully with others as you would expect in a secular democratic republic. I can vouch for this from my own personal experiences. But well known examples are Godhra and a long list of bombings and other acts of violence even before the BJP came to power!! So you cant even blame the BJP for it.
The vote bank politics adopted by Congress for nearly 6 decades wherein they would brazenly enact laws to appease Muslims in order to get their votes and try to sell it as "secularism". This has completely unraveled now and no party will dare try that except for small pockets in the country where the extreme ultra-left still has powers. Unless you have deep understanding of Indian political dimensions and machinations you will not understand what I am saying.
Refusing to integrate does not give you any right to kill them or bulldoze their homes or Masjid's. Your idea of non integration would be many Muslim's refusing to party, drink alcohol and that kind of thing. From what I am seeing many even do plenty off that in India bending over backwards to prove their patriotism. First make up your mind if you want a secular or Hindu India coz you can't have both. Once again Hindu's were responsible for Godhra not the Muslim's. Now you will blame the Muslim's for the attack on the Samjhauta Express too.
So should Congress also support Hindutva?? By the way i would say it's normal for any government to financially support Muslim's wanting to make Hajj. Many are very poor who simply can not afford an overseas trip. I understand enough to be able to make up my mind and see when thug's are harassing innocent people. True, that outside this topic I don't know much about your politics.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1610078920488980481
https://twitter.com/i/status/1609948663253536770
https://twitter.com/i/status/1609574020592148485
I am referring to the "My religion is the one(and only) true religion and therefore everything else is fake therefore I do not need to respect other religions and their sensitivities" type of ideas. And these are not just ideas in peoples heads there is track record of acting on them. This is the root cause of all issues.
Were you able to identify the sources to back that up in the other thread? If so bump it and I will respond there.
Not in a truly secular country. No western democracies provide this sort of subsidies to their minorities. And you know what's the shocking thing about this? there is no such equivalent subsidy for Hindus. Therefore that idiotic law is not only unconstitutional but also blatantly partial.
Just google these incidents and you will almost always find more information .... for instance the House bulldozing incident is a Court order against those illegally occupying govt land. The religion of those affected does not matter. Also be aware that there is no shortage of people in India with vested interests that will try to gain mileage from such incidents by trying to spin them. Ashok Swain is one of them .... google him and you will know. Don't trust everything you see on the internet (applies to both sides of the story). If Hindus were so intolerant by nature there wouldn't be such a huge Muslim population in India.
So what if they refer to your religion as being false? You are free to do the same to there's neither is anyone asking you to respect Islam. I too only accept Islam as the truth calling other religions false and man made including Hinduism.
I told you much of the material on the Godhra rioting has been removed. Do you not remember how Tehelka exposed so much during that period. Similarly in Hindu dominated India it is not difficult to blame the Muslim's for everything. Now in Haldwani 4,500 more Muslim homes will be demolished which I am sure you'll find a way of justifying.
Of course religion matters, who are you trying to kid? Where do you expect these poor Muslim's to go when most probably have not even been outside their city or state that you are saying "If India was so tolerant" blah, blah, blah? Ashok Swain proves his point with video's not just words. Naturally in an over and densely populated country like India millions live wherever there is room.
Once more in secular countries where religion and law are separate no law can be made on religious lines favouring the majority community. Why is this then happening in India, explain.
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That is why Buddhism is ultimately more popular than Hinduism, because it rises above caste much like Islam and Christianity did back in the days when many were converting wholesale to those religions.
Buddhism isn't more popular than Hinduism.
There are 1.2 billion Hindus in the world, more than double the number of Buddhists.
Hinduism is a very resilient religion, thats the reason why it has withstood the aggression of both Islam and Christianity.
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Hinduism has only maintained it's popularity due to adopting ideas from other religions as their own. Hence you will find they claim Buddhism as their own, they have adopted many practices from Islam and Christianity as well down the ages, and also tried to co-opt the Sikhs as the fighting arm of the Hindu religion, which is vehemently denied by Sikhs.
But the caste system is still there and it provides a living testament to where Hindu religion left the doors open for multitudes to convert to other religions to better their status.
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Jainism and Buddhism are genuinely peaceful religions with non-violence at its core, followers of Jainism are still very peaceful, followers of Buddhism used to be the same until Sri Lanka and Myanmar came into the picture, also Bhutanese w.r.t aggression against Nepalis.
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Unfortunately true as I know a few but they don't take money at least in South. I know one for a fact that does take money but he is in Punjab and he is one of the few worst people I have ever met.
Irrespective if anyone can get a better community feeling or a feeling that they belong somewhere why not. People change countries all the time what's the issue with religion.
This in a nut-shell surmises the Hindu-Muslim problem in its entirety. Whats worrying is that Even in 2023 people do not understand how problematic such a rigid mindset is(let me know if you would like me to elaborate the reasons). And yeah Muslims dont ask for respecting their religion but they actual they demand for it .. violently if needed. How else do you think laws favorable to Muslims were enacted in India ? How else do you explain people doing things like beheading because someone disrespected their religious sentiments?
BTW Iam curious to know who was the man that founded Hinduism ?
The Tehelka sting operation was about the riots that happened after the train torching. Iam asking you for any credible evidence suggesting that the original train torching was done by RSS/BJP.
How do you explain the SC halting the demolishing ? After all for you everyone in India is after Muslims. You want to explain?
Once more so what if two religions don't respect each other? From what I am seeing the violence and all the demands are coming from Hindu's. They are the ones crying over some actress wearing saffron or wanting to bulldoze 5.000 more Muslim homes although that one has been postponed for now.
Did you not see thousands of Hindu's demanding for Muslim's to be murdered in that infamous conclave video? What favourable laws are there for Muslim's when they are bending over backwards to please the Hindu community. Shahrukh visiting temples and Shabana Azmi saying I can't even buy a house in Mumbai!! I could go on and on. Any more bending are they'll transform to banana's! When did a Muslim in modern times behead anyone in India?
I am telling you that much of the Godhra material has been removed from online. Would right wing Hindu nutcases allow for it to remain? That Modi ran away from that interview with Karan Thapar tells us everything we need to know. He didn't even deny it, did he??. In fact I recall how he said he could do the same to Pakistan too which more or less is an admission of his crime. He dare not even think of doing that to Pak otherwise the result will be beyond his wildest nightmares.
No not everyone but right wing Hindu's are demanding the blood of Muslim's in India. This is because they can not get over Mughal rule of India. The Muslim's of today are not responsible for what happened centuries back.
You are right muslims of India aren't responsible for what happened centuries back. Infact all of them were Hindus and either forcibly or adopted Islam to side with the attackers. Going back 3 or 4 generations and most muslims in India as well as Pakistan have Hindu forefathers. Whatever is going on now is very disappointing and heartbreaking and hope sanity prevails soon. Having said that, don't belive everything you read in media. To your point on what favorable laws for muslims in India, well there were a few which are now being changed. I won't exactly call those favorables but they were medieval and archaic laws not in sync with modern world but no politician was ready to talk about it because Indian political class traditionally has been overly worried about Muslim political leaders' sensibilities. And there have even been attempts to make laws which were naked communalistic in nature. Congress had come up with a bill 15 years back, which BJP didn't let pass. As per that communal riot bill, muslims being in minority were to be defined as victims if communal riots happened. It was a bill, which was proposing to call muslims victims of riots even before riots took place. Indians aren't so much pulled towards the extreme nature of BJP politics but pushed away from the hypocritical values of congress. And in 2024 i am hoping that there will be balancing act and liberal parties like congress will make a comeback.
How can you force anyone to believe!!? The Mughal's are long gone yet these people still remain Muslim's. They are beaten up and denied their rights yet they still remain Muslims! Actually many Pak Muslim's have Sikh forefathers and many Sikh's also have Muslim ones. Islam unlike Hinduism encourages people to make up their own minds. No one is forcing all the people to convert to Islam today, are they? Today's Indian and Pakistanis are born Muslim's. Even the Sikh's, Jains, Buddhists and Christians of the subcontinent left Hinduism in millions so it was not only the Muslim's.
Islam is not like Hinduism where generation to generation people continue to follow something out of ignorance! You will blindly do something just because your Grandad did where is Islam is a free choice! You are now free to reconvert Indian Muslim's to Hinduism yet these people suffer to remain Muslim. I would argue that over the centuries many Hindu's have also been forced in to accepting idol worship too. You see some 85% of world Muslim's are non Arabs so we are all proud children of converts! Turk's, Indonesians, Malaysians, Afghan's, Pak's, Indians and Moroccans etc. You get the picture? Million's of Arab's are also Christian's and Jews too.
No I don't believe in everything I read however the problem is that the video's don't tell lies. It is only India that will face a civil war should the ongoing situation continue. Not Pak or any other Muslim country. Once again from what I am seeing your Muslim's are bending over backwards to please the majority community. What else do you want them to do? It seems that beating them up stupid, pink, black and blue is the law that will please you. So Congress will become the good guy's if they call for a Muslim genocide as well, brilliant! It's just gets stranger and stranger.
It is obvious that you want an oppressed and apologetic Indian Muslim who agree's to all Hindu demands, right?. Is it not true that your Muslim's are victims of communal rioting even according to international reports? You are happy when the very same international media reports the state of Pak non Muslim's then believe it when they do so on India too. I think it is about protecting a vulnerable minority community more then pleasing them.
India is free to convert their Muslim, Christian, Sikh, Buddhist and Jains back to Hinduism. Then why can't they do it? Interesting to see that it is only their Muslim's that they mostly have a problem with in such matters. So many Indian institutions are supported by Christian missionaries. So many Indian schools have Christian sounding names too like St Joseph and that. If India is happy to take Christian money then they to have the right to propagate their faith. Hindu's should stop dying to live in the west if they hate Christian's so much.
Terrorist RSS should be banned in Muslim and especially Christian countries.
Terrorist RSS should be banned in Muslim and especially Christian countries.
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Take money. Put children in missionary schools for free. A lot of benefits. While at home they practice hindu rituals.
Who exactly are you replying to and what exactly are you writing? Who said anything about muslims needing to appease hindus or congress needing to call muslims by name. My post was about what BJP is doing is wrong and i hope congress comes back and bring normalcy back. At the same time, i don't want congress to bend over backwards to appease fundamentalists of any religion. On topic of how could someone be forced to convert to adopt a religion during mughal era and to say people did it voluntarily is called Stockholm syndrome, when hostages develop a psychological bond with their captors. Most did it to out of fear as non-muslims were being taxed and not provided jobs, some cowards did it out of convenience as to align with the captors and i am sure some would have also done it out of belief. But that's all so back in the past, that we should only use it to build the connection that we all originated from same belief system a couple of centuries back rather than looking at anuone differently.
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How am I replying to myself? I am saying that that Indian Muslim's feel the need to satisfy non Muslim's or should I say Hindu right wing of India. If you agree with me that BJP/RSS are wrong then what's the problem? Where are Congress bending over anywhere to please the fundo's? If they criticize Muslim extremists then they are rightfully doing so Hindu ones too.
So this Stockholm thing would only apply to the Muslim's who were supposedly living during the Mughal era not those off today. I don't think the likes of Muhammad Ali, Yusuf Islam, Yvonne Ridley, Jermaine Jackson or Sinead O Connor are or were victims of any such weird disease! It could be that Hindu's are simply victims of a disease called the green eyed monster, jealousy!!
This is even stranger that the Hindu's of India are telling their Muslim's that "you were forced to become Muslim's so you must reconvert to Hinduism" when they are happy to be Muslim's!! This is not forced conversions on behalf of the Hindu's! I am Muslim by choice like your Muslim's and it's gonna stay that way so deal with it sunshine!
No "we" did not ever have the same belief system when neither you or i were living then.
In any relationship business, personal or communal mutual respect and understanding is a cornerstone. This is like human relationship 101, if you don't agree with this. And no there is no demand from Hindus for anything except for what was stolen/destroyed by Muslims. Feel free to tell me why Muslims are soo enamored about structurers despite knowing that it was built by destroying a extremely holy site of Hinduism. Simple answer is deep rooted intolerance towards other faiths .. especially Hinduism.
Similarly I could go on and on about Muslim violence. Let me know. And yeah just last June a Hindu man was beheaded in broad daylight by Muslims and they even recorded it. I gave you the links on the other thread.
And now that the eviction of Muslims in Haldwani has been put on hold how are you going to justify your "Extremist/Terrorist/right wing labelling of anything and everything in India with the sole purpose of targeting Muslims? "
How is that even possible in this day and age of crowd sourcing especially Considering that the Karan Thappar interview is still there on YT ? BTW that interview is again about Post-Godhra riots IIRC and who was responsible for it. Iam asking for the Godhra train torching. Find me some credible articles where it says that it was Hindus who torched their own and blamed it on Muslims. Not even the most rabid anti-Modi nutcases in India have tried that.
If Muslims continue to be intolerant and insist on holding despicable rogue tyrants from the past as heroes then they will be dealt with in the same language that those tyrants used. You made that bed. Unfortunate but that is Karma.
Muslim's live all over the world. Most do not have any problem's with religions even if they choose not to respect them. There is no way to tell if one person respects another religion or not other then in India where it is the only topic of discussion nowadays. Once more you are talking about things that according to you were stolen or converted centuries back. With such an attitude you are walking near a civil war. The answer to your question is simply that Muslim's do not believe that their monuments were formerly Hindu ones at all.
Where did I say that Muslim's are perfect or there are no extremists among us? You are the ones who is defending the RSS, BJP and Hindu extremists here as seen from your previous comments. Haldwani being put on hold by your supreme court does not mean India does not have a massive majority vs minority problem. This case is not even the tip of the iceberg.
Once more I told you that much of the Godhra material has been removed. So Karan asked Modi about Godhra after the bloody incident then why did your now PM run away like a coward instead of answering the charges? Tell me that. What kind of evidence are you seeking here to prove that Hindu's started the riots with your kar sevaks making provocative remarks like they always do. Why would an already vulnerable minority community initiate such violence?. Were the Muslim's also responsible for the Samjhauta Express train burning that Hindu's again blamed the Muslim's for?
I am Pakistani so have no bed to make in regards to this. Modi try this on Pak and will be made to cry tears of blood that much i can tell you. Now back to the subject the intolerant ones are Hindu nutcases who are always picking fights with their own Muslim's for one reason or another. You will only produce more Muslim extremists in India pushing them towards the ISI and Pakistan understand this loud and clear. Pak is very happy that this is happening in India for not only does it justify the creation of Pakistan but create trouble within India. The RSS can't stop Muslim's looking upon the Mughal's as hero's no matter how much they burn in their own rage, history can't be changed. That is the real issue Hindu hardliners have is they can't wipe out history that taunts them every day of a minority community ruling them for centuries.
Karma was when Hindu's paid the price of Pakistan coming in to being.
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