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Indian fans, what would give you more joy? Winning in Australia or winning the World Cup next year?

Even if we win in Australia people will come up with excuses like this was Australia C. So winning the world cup will give more joy. :inti
 
Need to be realistic. Winning the world cup is impossible for a weak middle order team like India. Last 2 world cups are won by home teams and Eng should win it this time. I think 2023 world cup should be India's more realistic target.

Australia series win will be much easier.
 
Canford Cliffs said:
Need to be realistic. Winning the world cup is impossible for a weak middle order team like India. Last 2 world cups are won by home teams and Eng should win it this time. I think 2023 world cup should be India's more realistic target.

Australia series win will be much easier.
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Is the 2023 cup in india?

England aren’t winning this worldcup. They usually go into a worldcup with all the hype and then come crashing out. I would be surprised if they even end up in the finals.

Agreed Australian series should be easy pickings for india this time around.
 
NoBallZombie said:
Is the 2023 cup in india?

England aren’t winning this worldcup. They usually go into a worldcup with all the hype and then come crashing out. I would be surprised if they even end up in the finals.

Agreed Australian series should be easy pickings for india this time around.
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Yes it is. Kohli will lift it in Mumbai :kohli
 
Personally I'd take a 4-0 in Australia (a convincing win so that people can't blame it on Smith/Warner missing) over a WC. But the average fan doesn't care about tests, so most people would pick the WC.
 
World Cup without a shadow of doubt. INB4 a furious [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] comes here and lectures us on how Test Series are more important than ODI's :))
 
Sachin136 said:
Personally I'd take a 4-0 in Australia (a convincing win so that people can't blame it on Smith/Warner missing) over a WC. But the average fan doesn't care about tests, so most people would pick the WC.
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With due respect this is not about caring for Tests or ODI's and Iam a big fan of Test Cricket. However the WC is the flagship event in Cricket right now. We will have to wait till the 1st Test Championship is played to really determine the answer to this question.
 
This is an Australian B team. *** is so joyful about winning against a handicap team?

No one remembers a meaningless Bileteral series after a couple of years, everyone will still speak about who won the world cup till this day.
 
As a Pakistan fan I would rather win the World Cup. Winning the World Cup will always be remembered, let's be honest winning bilateral will be forgotten after a few years. 1992 WC is still talked about to this day. Imrans achivemeants with the test team are hardly talked about other than on this forum by Junaids.
 
If Ind cant beat this terrible Aus team then the pretence of being a top nations will be just rubbish. The Aussie bowling is still excellent if they are all fit- but none of these batsman would have played for Australia in the last 2 decades.
 
Tough question. My heart says australia. No matter if its their weak team or not.
We can win wc in 2023 but oppurtunity to win in australia wont come again in next few decades.
 
World Cup lol. Nobody cares (or remembers) about bilateral test series after 30 years. World Cups will be remembered for eternity.
 
The World Cup is more important than any individual test series.
 
Joseph Gomes said:
World Cup lol. Nobody cares (or remembers) about bilateral test series after 30 years. World Cups will be remembered for eternity.
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Wrong! We still celebrate our Test series victory in West Indies in 1971 as one of our greatest trumps. Garry Sobers was invited by the BCCI to India in 2011 to join us in celebrating it's 40th anniversary.
 
Hitman said:
Wrong! We still celebrate our Test series victory in West Indies in 1971 as one of our greatest trumps. Garry Sobers was invited by the BCCI to India in 2011 to join us in celebrating it's 40th anniversary.
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Good for you. Nobody outside India and WI cares about that series. I didn't know there was a series between Ind and WI in 1971, it's not relevant to neutral fans. I know about every world cup.
 
Joseph Gomes said:
Good for you. Nobody outside India and WI cares about that series. I didn't know there was a series between Ind and WI in 1971, it's not relevant to neutral fans. I know about every world cup.
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So do I. And I also know about every Test series that my team has won outside India in the last 40 odd years. There are certain Test series which if you win, would be celebrated more than any of your WC victories. How about a Test series victory in West Indies against a full strength side back from the mid 70's to the late 80's? How about a Test series victory in Australia from 99' till 06' against a full strength Aussie side?

Not every Test series victory away from home is as good as a WC trump though. By no means I'll put our victory in England back in 07' in the same breath as our 83' and 11' WC wins. Similarly, this is a Test series against a v. weak Aussie side. By no means a win in this series (if we manage it somehow) will be comparable to a WC trump.
 
I will go with test series win in Australia, something India never achieved. As for WC, already two times winner.

I believe it is India's test record that needs to be improved away from comfort zone.
 
India has never won in Australia whereas its already won WCs
 
World Cup obviously.

India were 4 wkts away from winning the test series in Australia in 2004. That's good enough for me :101:
 
Hitman said:
So do I. And I also know about every Test series that my team has won outside India in the last 40 odd years. There are certain Test series which if you win, would be celebrated more than any of your WC victories. How about a Test series victory in West Indies against a full strength side back from the mid 70's to the late 80's? How about a Test series victory in Australia from 99' till 06' against a full strength Aussie side?

Not every Test series victory away from home is as good as a WC trump though. By no means I'll put our victory in England back in 07' in the same breath as our 83' and 11' WC wins. Similarly, this is a Test series against a v. weak Aussie side. By no means a win in this series (if we manage it somehow) will be comparable to a WC trump.
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As I said, neutral fans don't care. Of course you would care, but others won't. Would any West Indian care England whitewashing Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka in tests? It's not relevant to neutrals. World Cup is relevant to everybody.
 
Joseph Gomes said:
As I said, neutral fans don't care. Of course you would care, but others won't. Would any West Indian care England whitewashing Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka in tests? It's not relevant to neutrals. World Cup is relevant to everybody.
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The OP is posting a question to us Indian fans. Of course I would care. And here was your post -

Joseph Gomes said:
World Cup lol. Nobody cares (or remembers) about bilateral test series after 30 years. World Cups will be remembered for eternity.
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I guess that NOBODY would include us Indian fans as well, right?
 
Hitman said:
The OP is posting a question to us Indian fans. Of course I would care. And here was your post -



I guess that NOBODY would include us Indian fans as well, right?
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I would say most Indians fans, as well. Tests are not popular in India so I doubt anybody except a tiny minority of elderly and cricket nerds remember or care about tests that took place 50 years ago.
 
Hitman said:
Wrong! We still celebrate our Test series victory in West Indies in 1971 as one of our greatest trumps. Garry Sobers was invited by the BCCI to India in 2011 to join us in celebrating it's 40th anniversary.
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Everybody in India knows about the 83' and '11 WC wins. Only die-hard cricket fans will know about the '71 WI win. You simply cannot compare a bilateral series win with a WC win, unless you're English (the Ashes)
 
InziFans said:
Everybody in India knows about the 83' and '11 WC wins. Only die-hard cricket fans will know about the '71 WI win. You simply cannot compare a bilateral series win with a WC win, unless you're English (the Ashes)
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Bingo
 
Ideally both but if it comes to one or the other it has to be the World Cup. A more prestigious and exciting tournament than IPL, World T20, Ashes or anything else really.
 
I would have chosen winning in australia if they had full team,otherwise i'll choose world cup.
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
What would you choose if only one?
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Dear brother @glory of'92 ,

In terms of pure cricketing achievement there is no doubt that a test series win in a major cricket nation not known for losing a lot at home and where we've never won in the past would be a much bigger achievement for the purists.

But then, the purists form 1% of the potential cricket viewing population which will watch the ODI world cup with huge anticipation and passion. A win there would be celebrated in a much more grand fashion by media and the masses and hence from the POV of the majority it is the world cup.


Honestly speaking i am willing to forfeit THE 2011 world cup in return for saving the only two hoem test series India lost ever since the 2000s i.e., to Australia in 2004 and to England in 2012. A clean slate at home in test cricket for 20-25 years sounds way more terrific than an ODI world cup win.

But like your Bhaijaan pointed out above, the majority celebrates the world cups and thats what drives the money into our cricket. India loves test cricket but India is not mad about it as much as it is about world cups. The 2007 world T20, 2011 world cup & 2013 Champions Trophy were major high points for Indian cricket and reassured investors faith in Indian cricket. For all that money to be pumped into the sport the national team must perform well ion multi nations tournaments.

All said and done, always remember there is only one real form of cricket and that was, is and will always be test cricket.

Everything else is just for money and hype.

Aadab.

Bhaijaan.
 
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NoBallZombie said:
Is the 2023 cup in india?

England aren’t winning this worldcup. They usually go into a worldcup with all the hype and then come crashing out. I would be surprised if they even end up in the finals.
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Usually? When was the last WC where England were remotely favoured? 1999 maybe, but even then the team looked ropey.
 
Robert said:
Usually? When was the last WC where England were remotely favoured? 1999 maybe, but even then the team looked ropey.
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With addition of Archer,will be a surprise if England don't win
 
This is a no brainer. No one cares what PPers got to think. Even BD vs IND Asia Cup generated so many views and audiences in the stadium.

Imagine an India vs England final clash in WC, it will be epic.
 
Lol this is not even a comparison.. World cup is the biggest thing in cricket.. nothing can be compared to it..
 
Hitman said:
Wrong! We still celebrate our Test series victory in West Indies in 1971 as one of our greatest trumps. Garry Sobers was invited by the BCCI to India in 2011 to join us in celebrating it's 40th anniversary.
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When was the last time you saw the entire nation go out on streets including the then head of country and bring the entire country into to a standstill?

Reminder - 2011 WC.


Now remind me when did that ever happened in case of any bilateral series win? Be it in any format?

Never.

That answers your question for 99.9℅ of Indians WC will always be the biggest thing in the world and if we win in 2019 you will see ghe same scenes of celebrations where people will be celebrsting all nights in roads and country coming to standstill. You won't see that if we in in Australia all you will see if bunch of news channels inviting some fans in their studios and has been cricketers who are showering praises on the team..

Compare both and you:'ll get your answer how big a difference it is
 
big_gamer007 said:
When was the last time you saw the entire nation go out on streets including the then head of country and bring the entire country into to a standstill?

Reminder - 2011 WC.


Now remind me when did that ever happened in case of any bilateral series win? Be it in any format?

Never.

That answers your question for 99.9℅ of Indians WC will always be the biggest thing in the world and if we win in 2019 you will see ghe same scenes of celebrations where people will be celebrsting all nights in roads and country coming to standstill. You won't see that if we in in Australia all you will see if bunch of news channels inviting some fans in their studios and has been cricketers who are showering praises on the team..

Compare both and you:'ll get your answer how big a difference it is
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No chance of seeing same moments that happened after win wc11 indian fans lost that passion and spirit because nowdays nobody have that much time
 
The World Cup, easy choice. However had Smith/Warner played and Australia been a top 2 side I would have preferred a test series victory there. I rate our tussles against ATG Australia in the 1995-2008 period very highly, no more the case now. A series victory there this time won't top our 2003-04 drawn series against a far superior aura filled XI.
 
Swashbuckler said:
The World Cup, easy choice. However had Smith/Warner played and Australia been a top 2 side I would have preferred a test series victory there. I rate our tussles against ATG Australia in the 1995-2008 period very highly, no more the case now. A series victory there this time won't top our 2003-04 drawn series against a far superior aura filled XI.
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Do you think the Australians similarly under rate their win in 2004 because Tendulkar and Ganguly did not play 4 Tests between them and Tendulkar was pretty much injured and Aus were lucky to have escaped with a Draw in Chennai due to rain ?
 
Winning 1992 in Australia would have been much better :)
Future - Winning in Australia is never done before. The taste of success while doing something never done before, on Indian side, cannot be described - Only perhaps Kapil Dev could explain how it feels like.
 
Swashbuckler said:
The World Cup, easy choice. However had Smith/Warner played and Australia been a top 2 side I would have preferred a test series victory there. I rate our tussles against ATG Australia in the 1995-2008 period very highly, no more the case now. A series victory there this time won't top our 2003-04 drawn series against a far superior aura filled XI.
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You are right. That 2003-04 series was one of the best India vs Aus series after the 2001 one.
 
Tusker said:
Do you think the Australians similarly under rate their win in 2004 because Tendulkar and Ganguly did not play 4 Tests between them and Tendulkar was pretty much injured and Aus were lucky to have escaped with a Draw in Chennai due to rain ?
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I don't know what Aussies think, what I stated is just my personal opinion. They did get a tad lucky in 2004 with Sachin's injury and Ganguly/Harbhajan pullouts just like how they got lucky in 2001 with our twin guns Kumble and Srinath ruled out. In fact I'd say the 2001 loss was bigger because both the Karnataka superstars were our backbone in bowling department on home pitches. But our team was still formidable, this Aussie team without Smith-Warner has a minnowesque batting line up. Moreover they were injured while Warner/Smith are fully fit yet are being kept out because of other reasons which are unprecedented in our sport. I don't agree with the bans they have copped.

India has been a superpower at home for a few decades now, it takes something special (and luck, even 2012 England had luck) to beat us at home. If I were to look at it objectively I would place Australia's 1-2 loss last year at par with their 2004 triumph because we were in the middle of a special home run coming into the series and till middle of final test they had their noses in front.

I don't think they got lucky in Chennai because we had a terrible reputation in 4th innings run chases those days and pitch was beginning to crumble. Recall how we struggled to get 130 odd in 2001 Chennai test, I think we would have met a similar fate in 2004 and been 0-3 down heading to Mumbai. Again just my opinion, I never believed we were favorites on that 5th day at Chepauk.
 
Swashbuckler said:
I don't know what Aussies think, what I stated is just my personal opinion. They did get a tad lucky in 2004 with Sachin's injury and Ganguly/Harbhajan pullouts just like how they got lucky in 2001 with our twin guns Kumble and Srinath ruled out. In fact I'd say the 2001 loss was bigger because both the Karnataka superstars were our backbone in bowling department on home pitches. But our team was still formidable, this Aussie team without Smith-Warner has a minnowesque batting line up. Moreover they were injured while Warner/Smith are fully fit yet are being kept out because of other reasons which are unprecedented in our sport. I don't agree with the bans they have copped.

India has been a superpower at home for a few decades now, it takes something special (and luck, even 2012 England had luck) to beat us at home. If I were to look at it objectively I would place Australia's 1-2 loss last year at par with their 2004 triumph because we were in the middle of a special home run coming into the series and till middle of final test they had their noses in front.

I don't think they got lucky in Chennai because we had a terrible reputation in 4th innings run chases those days and pitch was beginning to crumble. Recall how we struggled to get 130 odd in 2001 Chennai test, I think we would have met a similar fate in 2004 and been 0-3 down heading to Mumbai. Again just my opinion, I never believed we were favorites on that 5th day at Chepauk.
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Well no Aussie thinks less about their win in 2004 despite India missing players and Aus playing with 13 and some despicable politics meant a pitch suitable for Aus was prepared. Only us desis are capable of running down our own achievements. Strangely some Indians actually sing a lot of praises for that Aussie side. The same people will also not hesitate to dismiss any wins against Aus missing key players. The opposition must be playing all first choice players, the pitches should be no less than dark green in color with no umpiring mistakes going in our favor. Only then the wins will matter. Some will even nit pick on dropped catches :facepalm:
 
Tusker said:
Well no Aussie thinks less about their win in 2004 despite India missing players and Aus playing with 13 and some despicable politics meant a pitch suitable for Aus was prepared. Only us desis are capable of running down our own achievements. Strangely some Indians actually sing a lot of praises for that Aussie side. The same people will also not hesitate to dismiss any wins against Aus missing key players. The opposition must be playing all first choice players, the pitches should be no less than dark green in color with no umpiring mistakes going in our favor. Only then the wins will matter. Some will even nit pick on dropped catches :facepalm:
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It is all relative. Here the option is between a World Cup and a series win against this Australia. While I may take a test series win in Australia over 98% of our victories, it falls well short of a WC win overseas. I loved our drawn test series in 2010-11 SA over the WC win in 2011, all a matter of perspective.
 
I would easily prefer Pak win the World Cup then a series down under.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Even if we win in Australia people will come up with excuses like this was Australia C. So winning the world cup will give more joy. :inti
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No the only one who does the C team antics is [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] and even then if irs Pakistan getting the win. So me fellow indian you’d be fine :)
 
Something you have never achieve is always more important than something that almost everybody has achieved.

WC is far easier than winning test series in AUS/SA for Asian team. I would take test series win in those two places over World Cup any day.

As far as remembering, test series wins like that are remembered for lot longer, since they are lot harder.
 
What is this question?

World cup, obviously. Its like asking someone "would you like a salary of 1K a week or 20K a month?"
 
yasir said:
Something you have never achieve is always more important than something that almost everybody has achieved.

WC is far easier than winning test series in AUS/SA for Asian team. I would take test series win in those two places over World Cup any day.

As far as remembering, test series wins like that are remembered for lot longer, since they are lot harder.
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So the recent Test series win vs WI by Pak is better than WC win ? :))
 
Tusker said:
So the recent Test series win vs WI by Pak is better than WC win ? :))
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If we have won back in 1980s, which we were about too, thanks to local umpire, then definitely better than WC...

Test Cricket is lot more harder than ODIs, specially 4/5(a full) test series. Longer the format harder it is for visiting team to win
 
yasir said:
Something you have never achieve is always more important than something that almost everybody has achieved.

WC is far easier than winning test series in AUS/SA for Asian team. I would take test series win in those two places over World Cup any day.

As far as remembering, test series wins like that are remembered for lot longer, since they are lot harder.
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Nobody even knows tests are being played in the SC except for players and purists lol. Even practise LOI matches have more attendance than tests. Even in Australia, tests have bad attendance outside Ashes.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricke...est-opener-against-india-20181204-p50k5s.html

Lights out: Adelaide ticket sales take a hit in Test opener against India
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Please do not compare irrelevant bilateral series to World Cups. Purists have to come to reality, tests don't matter anymore.
 
Only a fool would say that tests do mot matter anymore. They certainly matter far more than any domestic T20 league or LO bilateral series. However, the World Cup is the biggest achievement in cricket and no individual test series can compare.
 
Only winning a test series in SA, England, and then Australia one after the other can match the feeling of winning a world cup.
 
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Only tests that matter are Ashes. Rest was one-sided circus matches where away teams get pasted every outing and cricket boards incur massive due to poor audience.
 
Winning Test Series in Australia is as big as winning the world cup for India.

This is a significant moment of Indian Cricket History.

No one can ever say to them anymore that India has never won a Test Series in Australia.

This is as big an achievement as winning the World Cup.

Virat Kohli’s legacy will always remain now regardless how he does in ICC Cups as Captain.

Some people are saying that Smithy and Davey and Bancroft are not there well.

Kumble/Srinath were not there in epic 2001 series at home. Harbhajan was nobody at that time.

And Sachin did not feature in 2004 ( until last test).

Pakistan ?
Well i think they have let themselves and their fans down
Lost 0-2 in nzl
Lost 0-3 in AUS
Lost 0-3 in South Africa
 
What a joke!

This is an Australain team without:-
1. Smith
2. Warner
3. Bancroft
4. Maxwell
5. Pattinson

From India's POV its a dream come true indeed to be winning a test series in Australia but due to this clearly being an Australia B team this achievement isn't anything special in context of international cricket.

Winning the world cup would mean beating best of the best ODI sides in the tournament. Much much much bigger it would be if it happens.
 
Bancroft an average player
Pattinson and maxwell were never part of Test team in the last 2 odd years. These 3 players are damn average.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
What a joke!

This is an Australain team without:-
1. Smith
2. Warner
3. Bancroft
4. Maxwell
5. Pattinson

From India's POV its a dream come true indeed to be winning a test series in Australia but due to this clearly being an Australia B team this achievement isn't anything special in context of international cricket.

Winning the world cup would mean beating best of the best ODI sides in the tournament. Much much much bigger it would be if it happens.
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This was an Indian team with

1) M Vijay
2) KL Rahul
3) Rahane
4) Rohit

6 or 7 players have barely played 10 tests lol This Indian team is almost a noob team.
 
:facepalm:

I'm sure even Indian fans know this series win is not a big deal without Aussie batting leaders playing.
 
Sarwar89 said:
Bancroft an average player
Pattinson and maxwell were never part of Test team in the last 2 odd years. These 3 players are damn average.
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Steve Smith averages 120 against this Indian team in Aus, Warner 50 with 4 100s in 8 games...

Not a single Australian batsmen was able to score 100 in a 4 Test series at home.

I can't even remember the last time that happened.
 
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Winning against the most depleted, demoralised, weakest Australian lineup in history of cricket is equal to winning the world cup? This is now getting a bit over the top...
 
Aman said:
Steve Smith averages 120 against this Indian team in Aus, Warner 50 with 4 100s in 8 games...

Not a single Australian batsmen was able to score 100 in a 4 Test series at home.


I can't even remember the last time that happened.
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Jadeja's score of 81 has been higher than any Aussie batsman in this series so far.
 
They have won WC twice.

They will win a test series in Aus first time.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
What a joke!

This is an Australain team without:-
1. Smith
2. Warner
3. Bancroft
4. Maxwell
5. Pattinson

From India's POV its a dream come true indeed to be winning a test series in Australia but due to this clearly being an Australia B team this achievement isn't anything special in context of international cricket.

Winning the world cup would mean beating best of the best ODI sides in the tournament. Much much much bigger it would be if it happens.
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Bancroft is mediocre. Maxwell is nothing special. When did Pattinson last play a test? By that logic India are missing Sachin, Gill, Shaw, <random Ranji player>, etc.
 
Aman said:
Steve Smith averages 120 against this Indian team in Aus, Warner 50 with 4 100s in 8 games...

Not a single Australian batsmen was able to score 100 in a 4 Test series at home.

I can't even remember the last time that happened.
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Kohli average more in Australia before this series. But he has averaged less. pujara sucked in the last series. He has done fabulous well this tseries. You cannot extrapolate previous series.
 
If Pakistan would have won it, (they would have still lost 3-0 here) we would have hailed our team as the dawn of new era.

Since India is winning it, there must be some variable added to decrease its value or meaning.

Sums up half of this nation really.
 
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