Indian military claims that IAF MiG-21 shot down Pakistani F-16

[IMMY69]

Large number of terrorists. Not 300.

and these bodies remain in a shallow grave of rubble? no injured people taken to hospitals?
why did the IAF return the following night if their initial operation was successful?

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

The F-16 pilot India claimed to have downed is very much alive and well oops yeh tou lolwa hogaya


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is how fake India vs Pak reporting gets.<br><br>One image, from India, claims a Pakistani pilot has been killed in a downed F-16.<br><br>The next image, a screen shot from my phone just minutes ago, tells you the truth.<br><br>My friend, a PAF Group Captain I won’t name, is very much alive. <a href="https://t.co/l2bZrSuhBK">pic.twitter.com/l2bZrSuhBK</a></p>— WSK (@WajSKhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/WajSKhan/status/1101330656578150402?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 1, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Not sure how this proves anything.

One tweet says wing commander.

Other talks about a Group Captain.

Plus its just a whatsapp message with a name hidden.

How is this proof?

 

[natkhat-shahzada]

Large number of terrorists. Not 300.

Here you go:

https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...kely-killed/story-JPf4vlQVyMjQmlR1HvoIJK.html

"Foreign secretary Vijay Gokhale described the air strike — in which government officials said over 300 terrorists,trainers and commanders may have been killed — as “non-military pre-emptive action”"

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Here you go:

https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...kely-killed/story-JPf4vlQVyMjQmlR1HvoIJK.html

"Foreign secretary Vijay Gokhale described the air strike — in which government officials said over 300 terrorists,trainers and commanders may have been killed — as “non-military pre-emptive action”"

Oh God.

Lol.

When you read articles, always check direct quotes.

This is a rookie mistake.

Read the article you posted.

Official source is what's mentioned in quotes.

 

[natkhat-shahzada]

While searching and reading all the news posted on 26th February, it is pretty evident that Pakistan version has been 100% correct so far.

AlJazeera, Reuters, NYT are also writing what has been Pakistan's version.

It is common sense now to figure out who has been lieing to their nation.

 

[natkhat-shahzada]

Oh God.

Lol.

When you read articles, always check direct quotes.

This is a rookie mistake.

Read the article you posted.

Official source is what's mentioned in quotes.

Wow man. Now, you are come to this? So, earlier you were fine with believing 300 deaths without bothering to ask about evidence. And now it is the other party's onus to prove that what your government's official statement.

Show me a statement where your government officials said that there were no casualities and we were there for fun.

 

[natkhat-shahzada]

[MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION]

Remember you asking that how Pakistan can produce Masood Azhar's brother-in-law to prove India's claim wrong? Do you remember that? Why were you asking for that if you didn't believe in the casualities.

Do you accept that you were fooled then? And do you accept that your media is BIG LIAR?

 

[Syed1]

Not sure how this proves anything.

One tweet says wing commander.

Other talks about a Group Captain.

Plus its just a whatsapp message with a name hidden.

How is this proof?

Still miles better than what India has presented so far

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Wow man. Now, you are come to this? So, earlier you were fine with believing 300 deaths without bothering to ask about evidence. And now it is the other party's onus to prove that what your government's official statement.

Show me a statement where your government officials said that there were no casualities and we were there for fun.

Bhai... Did you understand my post?

Our govt official statement is there in quotes mentioned in articles.

 

[slipcatch]

Why is anyone trying to convince war mongers?

Stop wasting your time.

There isn’t any evidence in support of any Indian narrative and there will be none.

Stop wasting time.

Those Indians who aren’t Bhakths also know that.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Why is anyone trying to convince war mongers?

Stop wasting your time.

There isn’t any evidence in support of any Indian narrative and there will be none.

Stop wasting time.

Those Indians who aren’t Bhakths also know that.

Wait a sec.

Aren't you the guy who was vehemently arguing about JEM guy not being in Pak and his whereabouts are unknown even tho Pak arrested and released him in 2016?

Saw the Cnn interview video with Pak foreign minister?

 

[Civil]

For all the claims going about between the two nations ..India's are definitely where the furthest stretch is needed.

1) coverup of the century is required for Pak to produce tweet on balakot before even Indians for the scale of assault Indians described.in this world of social media impossible. So probability wise India claim on balakot target is low

2) likewise sowing PAF jet. No wreckage no proof. The additional pilot theory is a real far stretch because once again it requires huge incompetency by PAF. More likely they were still thinking the jet they shot down on IOK was in AK.
Once that one crashed in IOk India played technical glitch card. Same as with all the machinery mysteriously blowing up for them that day.

 

[Civil]

Should further add that another huge coverup would be necessary by PAF if it was an F_16 which USA now clearly Indian ally wouldn't afford us so again big stretch by claims from India there.

 

[waqar goraya]

First, Pulwama attack was carried out by an indigenous Kashmiri with no proof of outside help from Pakistan. Pakistan was blamed but newspapers such as New York Times wrote article on that, that current Kashmir militancy was indigenous.

Second, India claimed to have killed a very large number of fidayeen which was debunked by all the neutral international media such as reuters, aljazeera etc.

Third, Indian believed that Pakistan would just take bombardment on its mainland, which was miscalculated as Pakistan gave response in broad daylight.

Fourth, Pakistan gave proof of at least downing one Indian MIG where as Indian forces' could not satisfy questions related to the damage in Jabba or evidence of downing Pakistani F16.

Now, we are being told by a rabid nationalist here that Pakistan could hold their wing commander for only two days!

 

[natkhat-shahzada]

Wait a sec.

Aren't you the guy who was vehemently arguing about JEM guy not being in Pak and his whereabouts are unknown even tho Pak arrested and released him in 2016?

Saw the Cnn interview video with Pak foreign minister?

And are not the guy who a couple of days said that unless Pakistan produce Masood Azhar's brother-in-law, you will be believing that there were 300 deaths including him?

 

[natkhat-shahzada]

Not sure how this proves anything.

One tweet says wing commander.

Other talks about a Group Captain.

Plus its just a whatsapp message with a name hidden.

How is this proof?

Proof is only what GOI say. Rest is lie. Got it.

 

[slipcatch]

Wait a sec.

Aren't you the guy who was vehemently arguing about JEM guy not being in Pak and his whereabouts are unknown even tho Pak arrested and released him in 2016?

Saw the Cnn interview video with Pak foreign minister?

Wait a minute.

Never.

Proponent of punishing if he is found guilty in the court.

My comment was about evidence of India’s attack.

I know you are a closet Bhakths but please present solid evidence of india’s Narrative or other wise hush up.

Remember I’m from a nation where almost everyone want peace and stability in a region and you’re from a country where a radicalized extremists PM wants illegal war risking billions of lives so he can win election.

Nice attempt in deflecting the topic.

Try again with a smiley face, off course.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Read the full news. They are quoting a Indian senior government official who gave 300 number. Also, check the 2nd news quote.

If there was no terrorist casuality then what was the celebration for? Pakistan was maintaining that there was no casuality and Indian claims are false. Do you want to see your posts on 26th February? Do you accept that you were fooled too?

They are quoting sources.

No official figure was given by Indian govt.

 

[slipcatch]

Let these Bhakths convince each other.

They got nothing.

No evidence

Just playing with words.

Let these war mongers cheer for a min, their ego is destroyed, their media made them think that Pak will roll over just because they are the chosen one.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Here you go:

https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...kely-killed/story-JPf4vlQVyMjQmlR1HvoIJK.html

"Foreign secretary Vijay Gokhale described the air strike — in which government officials said over 300 terrorists,trainers and commanders may have been killed — as “non-military pre-emptive action”"

The govt in its official statement mentioned no number.

Media said 300 based on their government sources.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Wait a minute.

Never.

Proponent of punishing if he is found guilty in the court.

My comment was about evidence of India’s attack.

I know you are a closet Bhakths but please present solid evidence of india’s Narrative or other wise hush up.

Remember I’m from a nation where almost everyone want peace and stability in a region and you’re from a country where a radicalized extremists PM wants illegal war risking billions of lives so he can win election.

Nice attempt in deflecting the topic.

Try again with a smiley face, off course.

I am a closet bhakt now?

Haan bhai. You blew my undercover.

I thought that video would have made you ponder over things but no such luck I suppose.

You went from "no one knows where he is" to proof now?

Whose deflecting now?

 

[slipcatch]

Sensible people.

Hurt Radicalized extremists Bhakths are finally out today.

So please be gentle on the, they are very hurt after their radicalized extremists PM and paid media made them fool.

They will go to any extent to convince themselves of false evidence being true.


Enjoy the show

 

[slipcatch]

I am a closet bhakt now?

Haan bhai. You blew my undercover.

I thought that video would have made you ponder over things but no such luck I suppose.

You went from "no one knows where he is" to proof now?

Whose deflecting now?

Again provide one quote I said that or hush up.

Try again, make sure you end your comment with a smiley face.

I kind of enjoy that smiley face a lot.

 

[Adijazz1706]

Have we officially named him?

How will we know his name anyway if he isn't captured?

It's easy, Arabic sounding word+uddin = Pakistani name apparently

 

[slipcatch]

[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION].

Your comment was deleted.

But let me tell you.

You aren’t convincing any Pakistani here about false Indian narrative that you’re trying to promote.

And if this is all to convince Bhakths then why are you wasting time spinning it around ? They already believe you

And if it is for those Indians who aren’t Bhakths then again why are you wasting your time, they aren’t dumb.

All you have to do is provide solid evidence, which you haven’t been able to.

This whole thing is about evidence.

No need to play with words to preserve your hurt ego.

And don’t worry I won’t be insulting your narratives and your false believes anymore.

Not worth the time anymore, esp to a person before this illegal aggression was adamant that they would destroy Pakistan, a pure war mongering without the regards of any human life.

Most of us Pakistani know where we stand, for peace, stability, and friendship.

And I’m fortunate to personally knows plenty of Indians who are sensible, mature, to understand what Bhakths have done to a beautiful country like India.

Good luck spinning your narrative.

Enjoy.

 

[Technics 1210]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=2787269171291088

When guest hasn't been given advancement payment ufffffffffffffffffffffff ) )

I am not convinced. The voice does not sync with the expert's lip movements. Seems like a voice over to me.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Again provide one quote I said that or hush up.

Try again, make sure you end your comment with a smiley face.

I kind of enjoy that smiley face a lot.

Ok I searched for it.

It was Hermoine Green. Been debating so many people in the last few days, I got it mixed up.

Sorry for the confusion. My bad.

Since you like my smiley so much, here it goes:

 

[Smbhayi]

relax.. these all are election gimmick, nothing else

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

I am not convinced. The voice does not sync with the expert's lip movements. Seems like a voice over to me.

The video is cut abruptly too.

I would be more than happy to watch the full video if someone can post it.

Not the 45 second version.

 

[Vegitto1]

The govt in its official statement mentioned no number.

Media said 300 based on their government sources.

So your media is lying?

In other words, your pilots went into Pakistan and have nothing to show for it? And you Indians will just take the word of BJP government that the mission was 'successful'? I wonder is the same would have been afforded to Congress.

You then claim that your pilot shot down a F-16 - which you have no evidence for - and your own aviation expert said on tv that the wreckage did not belong to F-16

So fact is: IAF entered into Pak territory, in the middle of the night, likes thieves, and have nothing to show for it except BJPs statement that the mission was successful.

Pakistan on the other hand has the following:

1. PAF entered Indian territory in broad daylight and dropped bombs near their military installations to send a warning.

2. They made it back into Pakistan and during the whole process one of the IAF pilots giving chase was shot down and possibly killed while the other was shot down and arrested.

3. Indians denied it - but then when evidence emerged on social media, they had to accept that IAF had lost a plane and a pilot.

International media is finding Pakistan's version of events more credible that India's but I guess India is going the American way. Learning to live in a bubble.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

[MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION]

Remember you asking that how Pakistan can produce Masood Azhar's brother-in-law to prove India's claim wrong? Do you remember that? Why were you asking for that if you didn't believe in the casualities.

Do you accept that you were fooled then? And do you accept that your media is BIG LIAR?

Officially India has claimed there are casualities but didn't give a number. It named Masood Azhar's brother in law though.

Media went on to say 300. That doesn't mean it's official.

I never defended Indian media.

 

[Bilal7]

Game. Set. Match. Winner: Pakistan

 

[natkhat-shahzada]

Officially India has claimed there are casualities but didn't give a number. It named Masood Azhar's brother in law though.

Media went on to say 300. That doesn't mean it's official.

I never defended Indian media.

Ok. Got it.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Game. Set. Match. Winner: Pakistan

True, only among pakistanis.

 

[the Great Khan]

So your media is lying?

In other words, your pilots went into Pakistan and have nothing to show for it? And you Indians will just take the word of BJP government that the mission was 'successful'? I wonder is the same would have been afforded to Congress.

You then claim that your pilot shot down a F-16 - which you have no evidence for - and your own aviation expert said on tv that the wreckage did not belong to F-16

So fact is: IAF entered into Pak territory, in the middle of the night, likes thieves, and have nothing to show for it except BJPs statement that the mission was successful.

Pakistan on the other hand has the following:

1. PAF entered Indian territory in broad daylight and dropped bombs near their military installations to send a warning.

2. They made it back into Pakistan and during the whole process one of the IAF pilots giving chase was shot down and possibly killed while the other was shot down and arrested.

3. Indians denied it - but then when evidence emerged on social media, they had to accept that IAF had lost a plane and a pilot.

International media is finding Pakistan's version of events more credible that India's but I guess India is going the American way. Learning to live in a bubble.

Also independant experts have analysed the geo-maps and satellite images and corroborrated paksitans story.

Lets for 1 second reverse the roles. What if we had carried out an operation and bombed some trees while claiming otherwise. in the process loosing some planes, and having a pilot captured. What do you think the Indian media and their well wishers would be saying?

 

[WebGuru]

It keeps getting better...

 

[ILcricket]

Any news about this in Pakistani media ?
https://www.firstpost.com/india/pilot-of-downed-pakistan-air-force-f-16-shahaz-ud-din-lynched-by-nowshera-mob-that-mistook-him-for-indian-airman-6180091.html

 

[Realromeo]

True, only among pakistanis.

Im Indian, there few others like Varun who are just as Indian as you are who are skeptical about our claim, Convince us how we won this ? Either we lost 2 jets and shot one down or we lost 1jet and pak lost none. They also invaded during the day time and left without anything. How did Pakistan not take this round ?

 

[ARK Rafay]

It keeps getting better...

OMG! This guy has the 7th sense. I've heard only the rarest of the rares have that in this world!

 

[cricketjoshila]

Im Indian, there few others like Varun who are just as Indian as you are who are skeptical about our claim, Convince us how we won this ? Either we lost 2 jets and shot one down or we lost 1jet and pak lost none. They also invaded during the day time and left without anything. How did Pakistan not take this round ?

Sir i am not in the profession of verifying citizenships of posters online.

 

[a_tahir]

Has the indian soldier been released yet?

 

[Hbomb00]

Has the indian soldier been released yet?

No

 

[Vegitto1]

Any news about this in Pakistani media ?
https://www.firstpost.com/india/pilot-of-downed-pakistan-air-force-f-16-shahaz-ud-din-lynched-by-nowshera-mob-that-mistook-him-for-indian-airman-6180091.html

So ground forces got to the Indian solider in time to save him from the mob. However, the ground forces could not get to the Pakistani soldier in time.

Furthermore, the crowd which supposedly lynched the Pakistani pilot could not tell from his uniform that he was a Pakistani. The 'PAF' badge or the Pakistani flag badge on his uniform did not give any clue to the local mob who lynched him.

Cool story without any evidence once again.

 

[Realromeo]

Sir i am not in the profession of verifying citizenships of posters online.

Fine, me and Varun are Pakistanis. Convince me without dodging the question.

 

[Thomaskutty]

So ground forces got to the Indian solider in time to save him from the mob. However, the ground forces could not get to the Pakistani soldier in time.
Cool story without any evidence once again.

That reporter is usually well regarded, so much so that Pakistan have used his articles to build a case against Kulbushan at the ICJ.

 

[Bilal7]

After Pulwama terror attack.

Indian airforce enters Pakistan and drops bombs near Balakot. Official casualties unknown

Pakistan in retaliation tries to enter Indian air space and is intercepted. India loses a Mig 21, PAF loses a aircraft. Indian Pilot made PoW and is being released within 48hrs due to diplomatic pressure.

Pakistan forced to close its entire air space and declare blackouts at cities like Karachi.

India closes 4 airports for few hours, life goes on as usual in all major cities.

So for Pakistan, supporting these terrorist groups to attack India is not going to be a cheap low cost option going ahead. Thats the paradigm shift. This even though India has not de escalated and pak airspace is still partially closed.

Pak did not lose any "aircraft", dummy. Nor did the Pakistani jets get intercepted by your incompetent airforce. They almost blew up your military base but did not, because they are not war mongerers. However, they did bait your pilots into Pakistani airspace and then blew two of them out of the air. One dead and another captured and given some "fantastic" tea.

As for diplomatic pressure, you're lucky Pakistanis have big hearts and don't like to see their neighbors beg.

 

[Technics 1210]

Pilot is now in India.

Well done Imran Khan and Pakistan. Education, Wisdom, and Sense - prevails!

 

[Bilal7]

True, only among pakistanis.

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Have some shame, dude. Just a little bit of it. You got owned. Don't invade Pakistani airspace ever again and never, never damage Pakistani trees.

 

[ILcricket]

So ground forces got to the Indian solider in time to save him from the mob. However, the ground forces could not get to the Pakistani soldier in time.

Furthermore, the crowd which supposedly lynched the Pakistani pilot could not tell from his uniform that he was a Pakistani. The 'PAF' badge or the Pakistani flag badge on his uniform did not give any clue to the local mob who lynched him.

Cool story without any evidence once again.

You did not answer my straight question ?
I guess living in UK you might not be clued in . A resident Pakistani poster might be in a better position to say a simple YES or NO .

 

[Sachin136]

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Have some shame, dude. Just a little bit of it. You got owned. Don't invade Pakistani airspace ever again and never, never damage Pakistani trees.

If it helps you sleep at night...

 

[ILcricket]

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Have some shame, dude. Just a little bit of it. You got owned. Don't invade Pakistani airspace ever again and never, never damage Pakistani trees.

I hope you seriously do not believe Pakistan Armed Forces can prevail over us in a conventional war ?

 

[90MPH]

I hope you seriously do not believe Pakistan Armed Forces can prevail over us in a conventional war ?

No but the era of a conventional war has long been dead.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Hope he does not change his statement in India.


This should end this debate.



<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Wing Commander Abhinandan’s video message before his handing over to India <a href="https://t.co/RZzOgEEJR1">pic.twitter.com/RZzOgEEJR1</a></p>— Mansoor Ali Khan (@_Mansoor_Ali) <a href="https://twitter.com/_Mansoor_Ali/status/1101506879874846720?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 1, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[waqar goraya]

Any news about this in Pakistani media ?
https://www.firstpost.com/india/pilot-of-downed-pakistan-air-force-f-16-shahaz-ud-din-lynched-by-nowshera-mob-that-mistook-him-for-indian-airman-6180091.html

If this is true then we will surely know more. In this age and time such news will ultimately come out.

 

[Lexical]

If this is true then we will surely know more. In this age and time such news will ultimately come out.

Even Indian express has published this news.. generally these are reputed papers.. not sure of the authenticity though.

 

[Lexical]

If this is true then we will surely know more. In this age and time such news will ultimately come out.

Yes, but it took Pakistan Army 11 years to fully acknowledge Pakistani martyrs in Kargil.

 

[Vegitto1]

you did not answer my straight question ?
I guess living in uk you might not be clued in . A resident pakistani poster might be in a better position to say a simple yes or no .

no

 

[waqar goraya]

Yes, but it took Pakistan Army 11 years to fully acknowledge Pakistani martyrs in Kargil.

But people already knew. Verification by officials is not the only method of knowing the reality.

Just as Indian claim of killing a large number of people has been denied by reporters/locals of various media outlets.

 

[Lexical]

But people already knew. Verification by officials is not the only method of knowing the reality.

Just as Indian claim of killing a large number of people has been denied by reporters/locals of various media outlets.

India claimed of striking the target.. not the number of casualties. The facts are still being established. In any case, India can claim of the strike in enemy country and it's claim can be wrong. Armies make boastful claims all the time.

You can't compare it to the official denial of 400+ Pakistani Army soldiers being killed and not accepted their martyrdom.. that's cheating of the highest order.

 

[waqar goraya]

India claimed of striking the target.. not the number of casualties. The facts are still being established. In any case, India can claim of the strike in enemy country and it's claim can be wrong. Armies make boastful claims all the time.

You can't compare it to the official denial of 400+ Pakistani Army soldiers being killed and not accepted their martyrdom.. that's cheating of the highest order.

The facts are very much established. Major world media groups have done that.

Yes, it was. Kargil misadventure was a betrayal to army personnel as well as the country.

 

[Lexical]

The facts are very much established. Major world media groups have done that.

Yes, it was. Kargil misadventure was a betrayal to army personnel as well as the country.

I believed it too, till I heard media was not taken there due to "bad weather" .. something fishy ? In any case, I don't care if the claim is false.. that's not my interest. My interest is killing of Masood Azhar which we have not achieved yet.

Any reason to believe that there is some truth in Firstpost's story ? I understand it could be false, but in general Firstpost is reputed. Even New Indian Express has also published the same. They have given the name of PAF pilot.. it should be easy to disprove that by that particular name existing / not-existing in PAF ?

 

[Greenstorm]

Why is anyone trying to convince war mongers?

Stop wasting your time.

There isn’t any evidence in support of any Indian narrative and there will be none.

Stop wasting time.

Those Indians who aren’t Bhakths also know that.

This. The whole exercise is futile. Let them enjoy there downed F-shikshteen after the embarrassment they have gone through.

 

[Bilal7]

I hope you seriously do not believe Pakistan Armed Forces can prevail over us in a conventional war ?

With the help of Allah, even tiny birds can defeat elephants. That is what I believe with the utmost conviction. If you want to talk about material power, then of course India is far ahead. However, as we've seen this week and with the Taliban in Afghanistan, material power is not the be all, end all.

 

[finalfantasy7]

so india wheres the F16, did it vanish or something???

 

[cric_man]

It's easy, Arabic sounding word+uddin = Pakistani name apparently

And typical Indian mistake. There is no Shahzaz in urdu. It would have been Shahzad. Just like Ajmal Kasab using hindi words and writing his confession in hindi.

 

[cric_man]

I believed it too, till I heard media was not taken there due to "bad weather" .. something fishy ? In any case, I don't care if the claim is false.. that's not my interest. My interest is killing of Masood Azhar which we have not achieved yet.

Any reason to believe that there is some truth in Firstpost's story ? I understand it could be false, but in general Firstpost is reputed. Even New Indian Express has also published the same. They have given the name of PAF pilot.. it should be easy to disprove that by that particular name existing / not-existing in PAF ?

Shahzaz is not even a name. It would have been Shahzad. And yes there is no W/C "Shahzaz" in the PAF.

 

[Lexical]

Shahzaz is not even a name. It would have been Shahzad. And yes there is no W/C "Shahzaz" in the PAF.

how do you know for sure ?

 

[cric_man]

how do you know for sure ?

I am an AF Brat.

 

[Lexical]

I am an AF Brat.

So?

 

[cric_man]

So?

So, I have my sources.

 

[Lexical]

So, I have my sources.

Who were the Indian pilots who were captured by Pak ? Why Pakistan earlier claimed 2 pilots and then reduced to 1 ?

 

[cric_man]

Who were the Indian pilots who were captured by Pak ? Why Pakistan earlier claimed 2 pilots and then reduced to 1 ?

Let that come out through proper channels as well as the type of 2nd IAF plane shot down

 

[Madplayer]

It's easy, Arabic sounding word+uddin = Pakistani name apparently

Dapaan Adnan sami is actually an ISI agent named Qatludin

 

[Lexical]

Let that come out through proper channels as well as the type of 2nd IAF plane shot down

The proper channels (Imran Khan and ISPR) have done flip-flop on this.

 

[sshakir411]

After Pulwama terror attack.

Indian airforce enters Pakistan and drops bombs near Balakot. Official casualties unknown

Pakistan in retaliation tries to enter Indian air space and is intercepted. India loses a Mig 21, PAF loses a aircraft. Indian Pilot made PoW and is being released within 48hrs due to diplomatic pressure.

Pakistan forced to close its entire air space and declare blackouts at cities like Karachi.

India closes 4 airports for few hours, life goes on as usual in all major cities.

So for Pakistan, supporting these terrorist groups to attack India is not going to be a cheap low cost option going ahead. Thats the paradigm shift. This even though India has not de escalated and pak airspace is still partially closed.

Dropping a payload is not dropping a bomb. Indians believe anything they see or hear on tv!

 

[ILcricket]

No but the era of a conventional war has long been dead.

i see , do you hint at JeM and LeT as non-conventional or the N option ?

 

[ILcricket]

With the help of Allah, even tiny birds can defeat elephants. That is what I believe with the utmost conviction. If you want to talk about material power, then of course India is far ahead. However, as we've seen this week and with the Taliban in Afghanistan, material power is not the be all, end all.

Bilal Saheb divine support was there in 65 , 71 & 99 too . Right ?

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

I am a closet bhakt now?

Haan bhai. You blew my undercover.

I thought that video would have made you ponder over things but no such luck I suppose.

You went from "no one knows where he is" to proof now?

Whose deflecting now?

I think India has come out of this looking really bad, and frankly, they've been humiliated in terms of most neutral observers' eyes.

For once in a long time, Pakistan has come out looking good.

I think India should cut it's losses now.

India has just been embarassing herself for the last several days, and respect for India as been vastly diminished imo.

 

[Romali_rotti]

I think India has come out of this looking really bad, and frankly, they've been humiliated in terms of most neutral observers' eyes.

For once in a long time, Pakistan has come out looking good.

I think India should cut it's losses now.

India has just been embarassing herself for the last several days, and respect for India as been vastly diminished imo.

If the above post is how you feel and it makes you sleep better at night, so be it..... US, UK & France have made fresh movements to get Masood Ahzar banned and marked as a terrorist, so there is concern about Pakistan.....

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

I think India has come out of this looking really bad, and frankly, they've been humiliated in terms of most neutral observers' eyes.

For once in a long time, Pakistan has come out looking good.

I think India should cut it's losses now.

India has just been embarassing herself for the last several days, and respect for India as been vastly diminished imo.

Is this a general statement or you quoted that post of mine for a specific reason?