Indian mosque bulldozed in defiance of high court order

[KingKhanWC]

Are you saying that BJP/RSS established these jyotirlingas and demanding it since 18th century?

Asking Hindus to change their faith by forgeting that 12 Jyotirlingas exist and consider only 11 just because action of an invader is direct attack on the faith of people seen here.

Give one reason why should Hindus forget about 1 jyotirlinga and consider only 11?

lol. There were extremists Hindus then and there are now. We are not in a competition debate to determine who were more extreme.

Care to answer my simple questions?

 

[kumjsr]

lol. There were extremists Hindus then and there are now. We are not in a competition debate to determine who were more extreme.

Care to answer my simple questions?

Yes, peace loving people destroyed the temple and the people who wanted to get it back in 18th century were extremists.

Care to answer simple question - why should Hindus consider only 11 jyotirlinga and forget one?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Yes, peace loving people destroyed the temple and the people who wanted to get it back in 18th century were extremists.

Care to answer simple question - why should Hindus consider only 11 jyotirlinga and forget one?

There is no evidence from any reputable independent historian of many or your RSS friends claims.

Your diversion wont work.

Ill answer them for you. BJP are extermists Hindus. India voted for them in mass numbers , meaning all those who voted for extremist are extremists themselves.

Carry on demolishing mosques but history can never be changed. Muslims came, conquered, took over for 100 years and there are many structures such as the Taj which not even Yogi the most extremist Hindu Monk will dare to knock down.

Watch a Bollywood film pal as debating isnt a skill you possess.

 

[kumjsr]

I guess most intriguing suggestion was that faith should come with statute of limitations.

200-300 years have passed, so you're are no longer to believe that their are 12 maha jyotirlingas. Consider only 11.


If long time passes, people should give up their faith and beliefs.

 

[kumjsr]

There is no evidence from any reputable independent historian of many or your RSS friends claims.

Your diversion wont work.

Ill answer them for you. BJP are extermists Hindus. India voted for them in mass numbers , meaning all those who voted for extremist are extremists themselves.

Carry on demolishing mosques but history can never be changed. Muslims came, conquered, took over for 100 years and there are many structures such as the Taj which not even Yogi the most extremist Hindu Monk will dare to knock down.

Watch a Bollywood film pal as debating isnt a skill you possess.

Didn't know that BJP was voted to power in 18th century.

Nice attempt at changing history

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I have seen this behavior from the Arabs, its not a propaganda.

Arabs are one of the most racists people on earth, they look down on the ppl from the sub continent like insects.

Of course not all Arabs are like this but this is definitely not a propaganda, a close friend of mine is an Egyptian Arab, I have attended their functions, parties etc and their behavior pretty much summed up the racism the Arabs have towards the sub continentiles and he personally told me Arabs in general look down on Pakistanis, Bangladeshi's Indians etc...

Ummah can only get you so far if you are from the Sub continent.

Are hindus just as racist with their behaviour towards dalits & other religion minorities?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Please share instances of Hindu armies attacking Arab world, killing people, forcing them to convert and building temples by destroying mosques in Arab, Central Asia.

Why the fascination with Arab world?

Are you denying that disparate Hindu states fought each other, killed their compatriots, taxed them and looted them? Those states were just as outsiders to each other as arabs/modern indians are now.

Didn't they also chase Buddhism out of what is now India and the Hindu Chola empire conquer Sri Lanka?

Do those lives not matter to you?

 

[Romali_rotti]

I think culturally the subcontinental civilization is way ahead of them in education and other aspects.

It is, however they just feel they are superior and they do make no bones of letting you know of how they are better than you... Well from my experiences anyway...

 

[Romali_rotti]

Are hindus just as racist with their behaviour towards dalits & other religion minorities?

Apparently Muslims are racist towards the 'Dalit' muslims, its a good point you brought this up, I wasn't aware muslims discriminated against other muslims in India due to their previous caste from another religion.


Data presented in this paper could be just the tip of the iceberg, as relatively
well-off sections among Dalit Muslims report higher incidences of untouchability,
and perpetrators admit to it even more so. It leaves no room for any confusion
that the practice of untouchability is not confined to Hindus alone. It spreads far
and wide and perhaps no Indian religious community can escape it, including the Muslims.

https://idsn.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Does_Untouchability_Exist_among_Muslims.pdf

Racism is bad everywhere, be it caste system, untouchability, color of the skin or whatever, there is absolutely no justification for it.

However when another race of people do it to you, it is much worst imo than when your own race does it , for instance, I have heard of how the muslims from Kerala that went to fight for ISIS, were told by the Arab commanders of ISIS that they cannot fight because they were too dark skinned, and instead told to clean toilets, and shelters, this is for the men. Women were used as sex slaves...

 

[Romali_rotti]

I am just telling you some background, I was unaware even of the Hindutva movment before the days of the internet, and was taken aback by the organised virulence against Islam when it came to the fore. The Arab hatred has been a striking component of it, and even decades later it still crops up like in this thread and countless others on these very forums.

I'm sure there are racist Arabs by the way, but Islam itself has a very good record of defeating racism. I have seen many intermarriages between different races, two people I know are married to Arab women, one a Lebanese, the other a Moroccan, although I suppose technically that would make her north African.

But yeah, keep piping the anti-Islam tune, it only exposes your own insecurities, we see very well how impressed Indians are with Abrahamics abroad. We live here remember?

Wow,

This is a new high for you Cap, I am lost for words at this post.

All I can say if only the Arabs could show the same Ummah back to the converts of the sub continent like how Cap above defends his Arab fellow muslims..

 

[kumjsr]

Why the fascination with Arab world?

Are you denying that disparate Hindu states fought each other, killed their compatriots, taxed them and looted them? Those states were just as outsiders to each other as arabs/modern indians are now.

Didn't they also chase Buddhism out of what is now India and the Hindu Chola empire conquer Sri Lanka?

Do those lives not matter to you?

When did Hindu empires attack and plunder places of worship of other faiths?

When did they constructed temples on those attacked places?

When did they force people to convert to Hindusim?

 

[kumjsr]

For anyone trying to justify these acts as acceptable, care to explain if there was land space crunch for mosques that it had to constructed only after destroying the temple?

What were invaders trying to achieve by destroying the temple? They ruled large part of subcontinent and could have built it anywhere, so what was compulsion of doing it same place?

Also when they did it, they did so in the state they ruled in.

What could be the idea and thought process behind such act?

 

[cricketjoshila]

The hatred of Mughals is because they are muslims. Its why they are seen as outsiders,barbarians and blood thirsty by many Hindus, despite the fact that Hindu Empires conducted themselves similarly.

You should lecture your countrymen on the distinction rather than me.

Mughals are hated because they were bigoted tyrannical invaders who looted and persecuted the native people of India. They tried to destroy the native culture and religion.

Islam came to India during the time of the prophet(pbuh) via arab traders. They married and settled in India. The Chera King is supposed to have travelled to Mecca and accepted islam at the feet of the prophet (pbuh). This is the story of advent of islam in India.

Dont mistake Islam for these bigoted tyrants. They will never be accepted in India.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Zionist ideology

 

[cricketjoshila]

Im not insecure.

Paganism was around before Hinduism. Hinduism isnt even a religion according to many.

Im confident you are not even aware of how many Gods there are in Hinduism.

What paganism? Name the pagan gods before hinduism.

According to who? Who decides what is religion what is not?

Be confident, i will not take certificate of Hinduism from a muslim.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Why the fascination with Arab world?

Are you denying that disparate Hindu states fought each other, killed their compatriots, taxed them and looted them? Those states were just as outsiders to each other as arabs/modern indians are now.

Didn't they also chase Buddhism out of what is now India and the Hindu Chola empire conquer Sri Lanka?

Do those lives not matter to you?

Buddhism came after Hinduism. You don't even know the chronology.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Why the fascination with Arab world?

Are you denying that disparate Hindu states fought each other, killed their compatriots, taxed them and looted them? Those states were just as outsiders to each other as arabs/modern indians are now.

Didn't they also chase Buddhism out of what is now India and the Hindu Chola empire conquer Sri Lanka?

Do those lives not matter to you?

They don't really care about Arab world other than large parts of India accepted Islamic religion over Hinduism and there is a Hindutva movement specifically aiming to reverse their fortunes and convert Muslims and Christians back to Hinduism. That is the only reason they flood Pakistani boards with tales of how racist Arabs are, otherwise they would never say to an Arab's face as many of them work over there and India has good trade relations with Arab countries.

Clearly they don't feel that Hinduism has enough to offer intellectually or spiritually, thus they need to demolish mosques and bad mouth Arabs as a more aggressive strategy.

 

[kumjsr]

They don't really care about Arab world other than large parts of India accepted Islamic religion over Hinduism and there is a Hindutva movement specifically aiming to reverse their fortunes and convert Muslims and Christians back to Hinduism. That is the only reason they flood Pakistani boards with tales of how racist Arabs are, otherwise they would never say to an Arab's face as many of them work over there and India has good trade relations with Arab countries.

Clearly they don't feel that Hinduism has enough to offer intellectually or spiritually, thus they need to demolish mosques and bad mouth Arabs as a more aggressive strategy.

Hindus are just talking about getting ba
back temples.

Which inferiority complex prompted invaders to destroy temples in first place when they have so much land available elsewhere.

Are you saying that they were worried that their faith didn't have much to offer spiritually that's why they went on destroying and plundering temples?

 

[kumjsr]

Yet to see a single poster explain the reason behind destruction of temples and building mosque when there was abundant land elsewhere.

And no one yet to answer why do Hindus need to change their belief to consider only 11 jyotirlinagas

 

[Kroll]

The Muslims should have fired rockets at the bulldozers.

I hope they stand their ground and don’t let these goons do as they please.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Mughals are hated because they were bigoted tyrannical invaders who looted and persecuted the native people of India. They tried to destroy the native culture and religion.

Islam came to India during the time of the prophet(pbuh) via arab traders. They married and settled in India. The Chera King is supposed to have travelled to Mecca and accepted islam at the feet of the prophet (pbuh). This is the story of advent of islam in India.

Dont mistake Islam for these bigoted tyrants. They will never be accepted in India.

But why do you accept hindu tyrannical invaders, who conquered territory, murdered raped and killed.

I've asked this many times but no answer yet.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Apparently Muslims are racist towards the 'Dalit' muslims, its a good point you brought this up, I wasn't aware muslims discriminated against other muslims in India due to their previous caste from another religion.


Data presented in this paper could be just the tip of the iceberg, as relatively
well-off sections among Dalit Muslims report higher incidences of untouchability,
and perpetrators admit to it even more so. It leaves no room for any confusion
that the practice of untouchability is not confined to Hindus alone. It spreads far
and wide and perhaps no Indian religious community can escape it, including the Muslims.

https://idsn.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Does_Untouchability_Exist_among_Muslims.pdf

Racism is bad everywhere, be it caste system, untouchability, color of the skin or whatever, there is absolutely no justification for it.

However when another race of people do it to you, it is much worst imo than when your own race does it , for instance, I have heard of how the muslims from Kerala that went to fight for ISIS, were told by the Arab commanders of ISIS that they cannot fight because they were too dark skinned, and instead told to clean toilets, and shelters, this is for the men. Women were used as sex slaves...

Again its your fascination with arabs. When we ( subcontinent) as a whole treat people like crap in our own countries why do you feel the need to mention arabis?

At least the ones in arab lands are getting paid handsomely. A dark skinned dalit hindu is better off making dirhams in dubai while being crapped on, than sitting in a slum in India experiencing the same behaviour.

 

[kumjsr]

But why do you accept hindu tyrannical invaders, who conquered territory, murdered raped and killed.

I've asked this many times but no answer yet.

Which Hindu ruler destroyed places of worship of other faiths?

Which Hindu ruler forced people to convert to Hinduism?

Mughals destroyed temples in state which they were already ruling.

 

[kumjsr]

The Muslims should have fired rockets at the bulldozers.

I hope they stand their ground and don’t let these goons do as they please.

So you're saying that they should continue attacking Hindus like Mughal extremists to deny Hindus their temples back.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Which Hindu ruler destroyed places of worship of other faiths?

Which Hindu ruler forced people to convert to Hinduism?

Mughals destroyed temples in state which they were already ruling.

They destroyed places of worship/sacred sites of jains, other hindus and buddhists - all of which is well documented.

 

[Itachi]

They destroyed places of worship/sacred sites of jains, other hindus and buddhists - all of which is well documented.

If they are well documented, I guess you could show some evidence supporting your argument?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

If they are well documented, I guess you could show some evidence supporting your argument?

Perhaps. First I think its better to determine the frame of mind of the posters. If they are so stuck to their bigotry that all they can think of is arabs and muslims then it will be a waste of time.

If they are willing to accept evidence then so be it. When I mentioned the holocaust committed by Ashoka before he converted to Buddhism the Indian poster called Hitman tried to compare it to pak/bangla war lol.

 

[MenInG]

New Delhi: Claims that Hindu idols and remains are present at Varanasi's Gyanvapi mosque will be heard by a "more experienced" judge in Uttar Pradesh, the Supreme Court ordered today, moving it out of the court hearing it so far. It would be "better if a more seasoned hand hears the case", said the judges, stressing on the need for "a healing touch and a sense of balance".

"Keeping the complexity and sensitivity of the matter in view, the civil suit before the civil judge in Varanasi shall be heard before a senior and experienced judicial officer of the UP judicial service," the Supreme Court ruled.

It would be "better if a more seasoned hand" hears the case, a three-judge bench said.

The "need for fraternity between communities and the need for peace is topmost" for the court, said the judges during arguments.

Varanasi's seniormost judge will now hear the petition of five Hindu women requesting permission to worship what they claim are Hindu idols at the Gyanvapi mosque, which stands next to the iconic Kashi Vishwanath temple in one of India's oldest and holiest cities.

The report of a video survey ordered by the civil judge was submitted yesterday in three sealed boxes and a chip with hundreds of video clips and photographs.

The filming inside the centuries old mosque was challenged by the Gyanvapi mosque committee before the Supreme Court. The Muslim petitioners said the filming goes against the Places of Worship Act of 1991, which maintains the religious status of any place of worship as of August 15, 1947. "Such petitions and sealing of mosques will lead to public mischief and communal disharmony, will affect mosques across the country," argued the mosque committee.

The Hindu petitioners said the petition should be scrapped.

The Supreme Court also took a stern view of "selective leaks" to the press and said they must stop. This comes after Hindu petitioners released details of the mosque filming report just hours after it was handed over to a Varanasi court in a sealed cover on Thursday.

Earlier, the officer who led the video survey was sacked over leaks allegedly by his "personal cameraperson". On the last day of filming, reports emerged of officials finding a "Shivling" in a pond within the mosque complex used for "Wazoo" or purification rituals before Muslim prayers.

"Selective leaks must stop. Things being leaked into the press. It was to be submitted in court. The court has to open it," Justice DY Chandrachud said.

The Supreme Court extended its interim order on protecting the "Shivling" area without stopping Muslims from praying at the mosque. It also asked the city to make arrangements for the Wazoo ritual, with the pond currently sealed.

"We need a sense of balance and calm on the ground. We need a degree of healing touch. We are on a joint mission for preserving a sense of balance in the country," Justice Chandrachud said.

NDTV

 

[Kroll]

So you're saying that they should continue attacking Hindus like Mughal extremists to deny Hindus their temples back.

Nope, I’m saying they should defend their places of worship from hate filled goons.

 

[kumjsr]

Nope, I’m saying they should defend their places of worship from hate filled goons.

Attackers destroyed temple in first place and their supporters asking Hindus to be killed when they demand justice, their place back.

It's not called defense. It's extremism.

 

[cricketjoshila]

But why do you accept hindu tyrannical invaders, who conquered territory, murdered raped and killed.

I've asked this many times but no answer yet.

Hindu invaders? Which land did they invade?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Nope, I’m saying they should defend their places of worship from hate filled goons.

They should regret that temples of hindus were destroyed in the name of islam. Hindus are just trying to get back what belongs to them.

 

[MenInG]

Instead of living in the past and trying to reclaim old temples, why not look at your current problems in India?

Here is an example

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...ot-Mentally-Ill-Man-Thrashed-Later-Found-Dead

 

[cricketjoshila]

Instead of living in the past and trying to reclaim old temples, why not look at your current problems in India?

Here is an example

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...ot-Mentally-Ill-Man-Thrashed-Later-Found-Dead

Two different things.

Reclaiming old temples is a religious issue. This one a criminal one.

 

[MenInG]

Two different things.

Reclaiming old temples is a religious issue. This one a criminal one.

Nice one.

Both involve how religious minorities are treated in your country.

Like I said, worry less about the past and look at what is happening to your country today.

 

[kumjsr]

Instead of living in the past and trying to reclaim old temples, why not look at your current problems in India?

Here is an example

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...ot-Mentally-Ill-Man-Thrashed-Later-Found-Dead

Do you advise same to everyone in world that they should stop living in past and give up their faith?

Have you given up faith?

 

[MenInG]

Do you advise same to everyone in world that they should stop living in past and give up their faith?

Have you given up faith?

Shameful is the only way to describe this.


Go to the thread on the Muslim man being beaten

Let us know your views on that by condemning the BJP murderer

Then comeback here and worry about the past.

 

[kumjsr]

Shameful is the only way to describe this.


Go to the thread on the Muslim man being beaten

Let us know your views on that by condemning the BJP murderer

Then comeback here and worry about the past.

Shameful that you're asking Hindus to give up their faith if don't say same to everyone and if you're still following yours.

I am not a BJP in India to answer your question.

 

[kumjsr]

^ not a BJP voter

 

[MenInG]

Shameful that you're asking Hindus to give up their faith if don't say same to everyone and if you're still following yours.

I am not a BJP in India to answer your question.

As expected - true colours exposed.

Nothing more to discuss with me on this.

 

[Kroll]

They should regret that temples of hindus were destroyed in the name of islam. Hindus are just trying to get back what belongs to them.

I'm sorry Hindu temples were destroyed. But this is now Muslim property and these events took place centuries ago. Muslims are an integral part of India and you can't just turn up, snatch things and their properties away from them. Although this what the BJP and its fanatics are trying to do.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Hindu invaders? Which land did they invade?

Can you explain the context behind the pallava dynasty and chauklya fighting and looting idols from their temples etc.

You please explain whose land was invaded in this scenario?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Nice one.

Both involve how religious minorities are treated in your country.

Like I said, worry less about the past and look at what is happening to your country today.

One involves how the places of worship of hindus were demolished by muslim rulers. Ot has got nothing to do with them being a minority.

The second incident is a criminal case and the guy who did it should be in jail.

 

[MenInG]

One involves how the places of worship of hindus were demolished by muslim rulers. Ot has got nothing to do with them being a minority.

The second incident is a criminal case and the guy who did it should be in jail.

Like I said to your friend above bro, I am actually disgusted by the inability for people to condemn that barbaric act.

To me these things (and I live in today's world) show a lot about what people are made of.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Shameful is the only way to describe this.


Go to the thread on the Muslim man being beaten

Let us know your views on that by condemning the BJP murderer

Then comeback here and worry about the past.

Muslims were supporting conversion of Hagia Sofia to a mosque. Apparently Erdogan is doing great by taking a secular turkey back towards its islamic roots as muslims are in majority.

But if in India they are in minority so hindus should not even lawfully get their temples back.

How is the assault on thst guy, who btw is not even a muslim, his name was Bhanwar Lal Jain. Even if he was a muslim, how does this stop hindus from taking their temples back?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Like I said to your friend above bro, I am actually disgusted by the inability for people to condemn that barbaric act.

To me these things (and I live in today's world) show a lot about what people are made of.

The man was a jain, not a muslim.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.thew...ker-assaults-him-mistaking-him-for-muslim/amp

Here is the entire story.

The man who assaulted Jain, should be in jail. There are no two ways about itm

 

[kumjsr]

I'm sorry Hindu temples were destroyed. But this is now Muslim property and these events took place centuries ago. Muslims are an integral part of India and you can't just turn up, snatch things and their properties away from them. Although this what the BJP and its fanatics are trying to do.

Again this is not just a building which has been taken away and muslim property.

Maybe this concept would be difficult to grasp. You see it from pov of just a building and nothing else, but it's not the same for Hindus.

This temple is one of 12 jyotirlingas of Hinduism. How would that change?

What's the expectations from Hindus here? Change their faith and say that there are only 11?

And please dont lie that people have turned up suddenly and asking back the temple. Demand has been there since start and dispute has been going on since it was destroyed.

 

[kumjsr]

Like I said to your friend above bro, I am actually disgusted by the inability for people to condemn that barbaric act.

To me these things (and I live in today's world) show a lot about what people are made of.

If you're talking about me, then I condemn any illegal killing in the country and I don't support any political parties if they are involved.

On the topic of this thread, I am disgusted by your suggestion that Hindus should change their faith. It was very poor comment and shows how lowly you think of other faiths.

Have to say I had different opinion about you as person till now.

 

[MenInG]

If you're talking about me, then I condemn any illegal killing in the country and I don't support any political parties if they are involved.

On the topic of this thread, I am disgusted by your suggestion that Hindus should change their faith. It was very poor comment and shows how lowly you think of other faiths.

Have to say I had different opinion about you as person till now.

My patience is now running out with you.

I never said that.

You obviously are on a mission on PP and you will be dealt with accordingly.

Do not reply to this message - just understand what I have told you.

 

[cricketjoshila]

If evidence of temple is found in that mosque, shouldn't hindus get the right to worship at one of their holiest places?

Asking Hindus to forfeit that right is justified?

Yesterday only during a tv debate a cleric pointed out that offering namaz in a captured or forcibly taken place is haram.

To many of us it seems that the opposition of a segment of muslims to return ancient and holy places of hindu worship, which were demolished by muslim rulers has more to do with rubbing it in the faces of hindus that "See how muslims demolished your temples and built mosques over and you couldn't do anything" , than about Islam. It looks more about establishing some kind of supremacy over hindus and mocking them.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

if evidence of temple is found in that mosque, shouldn't hindus get the right to worship at one of their holiest places?

Asking Hindus to forfeit that right is justified?

Yesterday only during a tv debate a cleric pointed out that offering namaz in a captured or forcibly taken place is haram.

To many of us it seems that the opposition of a segment of muslims to return ancient and holy places of hindu worship, which were demolished by muslim rulers has more to do with rubbing it in the faces of hindus that "See how muslims demolished your temples and built mosques over and you couldn't do anything" , than about Islam. It looks more about establishing some kind of supremacy over hindus and mocking them.

In that case wouldn't they have just demolished the statues rather than place them behind locked doors? Seems to me that Mughal rule that was quite respectful of Hindu culture at the time, is being rewritten in English by Hindus who are keen to impress western interests.

 

[cricketjoshila]

In that case wouldn't they have just demolished the statues rather than place them behind locked doors? Seems to me that Mughal rule that was quite respectful of Hindu culture at the time, is being rewritten in English by Hindus who are keen to impress western interests.

They just built a mosque over the existing structure to remind the hindus what they did. As much as they tried they could not erase everything. Not everyone gives up easily you see, people fight back to keep their legacy and culture.

Westerners have no dog here.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

They just built a mosque over the existing structure to remind the hindus what they did. As much as they tried they could not erase everything. Not everyone gives up easily you see, people fight back to keep their legacy and culture.

Westerners have no dog here.

Is that right? I wonder how railway systems and roads got built then? We see cows on public roads, how come they aren't grazing in their natural grass fields habitats since they are revered as the most high?

Why aren't you raising a hue and cry over us British for looting your country, devastating your economy and generally treating you like servants?

 

[Romali_rotti]

Is that right? I wonder how railway systems and roads got built then? We see cows on public roads, how come they aren't grazing in their natural grass fields habitats since they are revered as the most high?

Why aren't you raising a hue and cry over us British for looting your country, devastating your economy and generally treating you like servants?

But Cap, there is a problem, apparently you are not allowed to build a mosque over any other destroyed places of worship per the Quran ?

Can you confirm ?


I don't believe Cows have a religious text which says you cant build on top of the lands them roam on, I could be wrong here though..

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

But Cap, there is a problem, apparently you are not allowed to build a mosque over any other destroyed places of worship per the Quran ?

Can you confirm ?


I don't believe Cows have a religious text which says you cant build on top of the lands them roam on, I could be wrong here though..

No idea, you guys seem to know more about the Quran than I do for some reason. I guess it would depend on what Muslims of that time considered places of worship. If untouchables were getting raped in places of worship then perhaps that would invalidate the concept they were places of worship. Everything is just conjecture when we look through history with 22nd century specs.

 

[Romali_rotti]

No idea, you guys seem to know more about the Quran than I do for some reason. I guess it would depend on what Muslims of that time considered places of worship. If untouchables were getting raped in places of worship then perhaps that would invalidate the concept they were places of worship. Everything is just conjecture when we look through history with 22nd century specs.

From what I have heard, it says you are forbidden to build over any places of worship in the Quran.

This is relevant for all times, doesn't matter if it is 500 years ago or now.

Unless I am hearing it wrong, Can someone else here confirm this ?

 

[Kroll]

They just built a mosque over the existing structure to remind the hindus what they did. As much as they tried they could not erase everything. Not everyone gives up easily you see, people fight back to keep their legacy and culture.

Westerners have no dog here.

You destroyed Babri, an important and historic masjid while killing thousands of innocent Muslims at the time.

How did the so called courts deal with these rioters and murderers? Yes, they rewarded them by giving them the land.

Tyrants, rulers and empires did things in the medieval period which wouldn’t be tolerated now, you need to get over it.

 

[cricketjoshila]

You destroyed Babri, an important and historic masjid while killing thousands of innocent Muslims at the time.

How did the so called courts deal with these rioters and murderers? Yes, they rewarded them by giving them the land.

Tyrants, rulers and empires did things in the medieval period which wouldn’t be tolerated now, you need to get over it.

Important mosque? Really? How was it spiritually important? What was significance that made babri different from other mosques?

Muslims started the riots after the Babri demolition, hindus retaliated. Muslims then did the 1993 bombay bomb blasts. Read history before you spew.

Babri was constructed over hindu temple and it was archaelogically proven by excavations.

The land was handed over to deity ram for construction of his temple and for 1.2bn hindus for their pilgrimage. Who are you calling rioter and murderer?

You tolerated the conversion of hagia sofia quite well. Anyways, you cannot tolerate building of the ram temple or worship of lord vishveswar in Gyanvapi, but you cannot do anything about it. If the court says worship is allowed, it is allowed.

 

[MenInG]

NEW DELHI: The Archaeological Survey of India (ASI)’s rules prohibit worship at “non-living places”, a ministry of culture official said on Monday amid reports that the government has barred namaz at the Qutub Minar.

“No recent order was issued. The ASI has in the past asked prayers be stopped as per the policy. The last such direction was sent some months ago.”

The official said the government was considering an inventory of the iconography at the Jain and Hindu temples surrounding the monument. “Putting up markers to help identify the icons for public knowledge is being considered.”

Culture secretary Govind Mohan and a delegation of ASI officials last week visited the site even as officials said the visit was a routine one. Union culture minister G Kishan Reddy separately said no decision on an excavation at the Qutub Minar had been taken yet.

The ministry official cited above said Mohan visited the site as the government is planning to set up an interpretation centre such as the one at the Red Fort. ASI is working to set up such centres at 500 such monuments.

Former Union culture ministry Prahlad Patel earlier this month said the Qutub Minar was built after “vandalising temples”. “About Qutub Minar, it is written over there in Farsi [Persian] that it has been built by destroying 27 temples and this was written by the people who committed this, not the ASI or government. No evidence will be bigger than this.”

A Delhi court earlier directed ASI against removing two idols of Lord Ganesha from the Qutub Minar complex till further orders”.

The court order came in response to a suit filed on behalf of Jain deity Tirthankar Lord Rishabh Dev, claiming 27 temples were partly demolished by Qutubuddin Aibak, a general in the army of Muhammad Gauri, and that the Quwwat-ul-Islam mosque was raised inside the 12th-century monument by reusing the material.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...ver-namaz-at-qutub-minar-101653365291119.html

 

[silentkiller187]

Lucknow: While the jury is still out on Varanasi's Gyanvapi mosque case and on Shahi Eidgah in Mathura, a senior UP minister on Monday said that India became a "global powerhouse" because of its gods, and they are its identity.
He said that if any government, community, or organisation wants to “beautify” the places associated with these gods, then no one should have any objections.

"Ayodhya is the birthplace of Lord Ram, Mathura is birthplace of Lord Krishna, and Kashi (Varanasi) was created by Lord Shiv. It is because of these gods that India has its identity, and it is because of them that India has become a global powerhouse ('vishwaguru')," UP's sugarcane development minister Laxmi Narayan Chaudhary told PTI.

"Today, the world is reading the Gita -- the lesson taught to Arjun by Lord Krishna. The entire world is getting a message from Lord Ram about how an ideal son, an ideal husband, an ideal brother, and an ideal friend should be,” he said.

The minister also said an opportunity has now come to “secure” the Indian culture, which had been dismantled for 800-850 years.

Mr Chaudhary refused to comment on the ongoing Gyanvapi mosque case in Varanasi, and on Mathura's Shahi Eidgah case, saying both the matters are sub judice.

"One thing I can categorically say is that surveys can be done for the other places, but as far as Mathura is concerned, there is no scope of any survey," Mr Chaudhary said.

From the rival camp, Rashtriya Lok Dal chief Jayant Chaudhary had given a differing view on Sunday saying debates such as those happening on the Gyanvapi mosque should not be entertained in the modern democratic India.

India 'Has Become A Global Powerhouse Because Of Gods': UP Minister
UP Minister Laxmi Narayan Chaudhary said India became a "global powerhouse" because of its gods.


Lucknow: While the jury is still out on Varanasi's Gyanvapi mosque case and on Shahi Eidgah in Mathura, a senior UP minister on Monday said that India became a "global powerhouse" because of its gods, and they are its identity.
He said that if any government, community, or organisation wants to “beautify” the places associated with these gods, then no one should have any objections.

"Ayodhya is the birthplace of Lord Ram, Mathura is birthplace of Lord Krishna, and Kashi (Varanasi) was created by Lord Shiv. It is because of these gods that India has its identity, and it is because of them that India has become a global powerhouse ('vishwaguru')," UP's sugarcane development minister Laxmi Narayan Chaudhary told PTI.

"Today, the world is reading the Gita -- the lesson taught to Arjun by Lord Krishna. The entire world is getting a message from Lord Ram about how an ideal son, an ideal husband, an ideal brother, and an ideal friend should be,” he said.

The minister also said an opportunity has now come to “secure” the Indian culture, which had been dismantled for 800-850 years.

Mr Chaudhary refused to comment on the ongoing Gyanvapi mosque case in Varanasi, and on Mathura's Shahi Eidgah case, saying both the matters are sub judice.

"One thing I can categorically say is that surveys can be done for the other places, but as far as Mathura is concerned, there is no scope of any survey," Mr Chaudhary said.

From the rival camp, Rashtriya Lok Dal chief Jayant Chaudhary had given a differing view on Sunday saying debates such as those happening on the Gyanvapi mosque should not be entertained in the modern democratic India.


"If you look at it, the law does not allow these sorts of debates anymore. We must not entertain these debates in modern democratic India,” he had told PTI.


“Let us not look to create more disturbances for the future using our past as an excuse. We need to be forward-looking and address the real issues of real India."

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/ups...p-minister-3022128#pfrom=home-ndtv_topstories

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

"Today, the world is reading the Gita -- the lesson taught to Arjun by Lord Krishna. The entire world is getting a message from Lord Ram about how an ideal son, an ideal husband, an ideal brother, and an ideal friend should be,” he said.

A somewhat distorted view of the rest of the world I would say.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

Qutub Minar mosque built over Hindu temples, says 1871-72 ASI report

An 1871-72 report prepared by the Archaeological Survey of India states that the mosque on the Qutub Minar campus was constructed over Hindu temples.

India Today has accessed an Archaeological Survey of India (ASI) report from 1871-72 that unearthed evidence of the mosque on the Qutub Minar complex having been built at the site of Hindu temples. Former ASI director Dr Amrendra Nath corroborated the findings of the ASI report and said the information presented in the report is “completely true”.

The report was prepared by JD Beglar and ACL Carlleyle in 1871-72 under the supervision of Sir Alexander Cunningham, the founding head of the Archaeological Survey of India. “The report states that a mosque was built on the site of a temple. This is because the foundation of the mosque is very old and it shows that previously there was a temple here,” Nath told India Today.

Detailing the layout of the structures found during excavations, Nath said three major levels are visible, of which the mosque is the topmost platform. “It [the mosque] was built on top of a pile of rubble. The debris of the mosque is visible,” he said.

Nath said the ancient iron pillar at the monument used to be known as ‘Garuda pillar’ and appears to be from the fifth century. “There are many inscriptions on this pillar but only the image of Garuda must have been there. And the iron pillar had certainly been the Garuda pillar,” he added.

Idols of Hindu deities like Vishnu and Lakshmi made of black stone were found in Mehrauli and are now kept in the National Museum, the former ASI director said, adding that they seem to date back to the first century.

Some key takeaways from the report of 1871-72 are as follows:

1. The pillars occupy their original positions in the colonnade of a single Hindu temple. Their present height is exactly that of the original Hindu colonnade.

2. The terrace, on which the mosque now stands, was the original undisturbed platform of a Hindu temple.

3. Both the outer and the inner walls of the mosque bear resemblance to Hindu architecture; the corner dome also has features of Hindu architecture.

4. Even if the Qutub Minar was constructed by Muslims, its foundations were laid long after that of the walls of the temple (the present mosque).

5. The pillar itself is called the ‘Arm of Vishnu’. Beglar argues that Hindus claim the pillar as their own and assert that it was erected by Prithviraj to enable his daughter to see the Ganges.

6. Several Vaishnav sculptures, such as avatars of deities and Lord Narayan reclining in the folds of the serpent, Anantha, are carved in the surrounding walls.

7. The outer south gate, the foundations, and the workmanship of those superstructures correspond with those of the rest on the Hindu walls.

8. The remains of the inner south gate, with the blocks of the buried pillars, are also Hindu.

9. Muslims deliberately covered up the Hindu-styled double-cornice with benches of their construction and altered the floor level of the outer enclosure.

10. The floor of the cloister of the masjid and iron pillar were left intact but the original Hindu-styled floor of the courtyard was covered up to hide traces of Hindu temples and inscriptions that might have stood in the courtyard.

11. Excavation of the inner south gate also revealed only additions and alterations made by Muslims.

12. Two images of Lakshmi in black slate were found in the trenches along with some old earthen lamps.

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/qutub-minar-row-mosque-hindu-temples-asi-report-1953798-2022-05-25

 

[Cover Drive Six]

Government should demolish all these glorified Moghuls constructions over Hindu temples.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Government should demolish all these glorified Moghuls constructions over Hindu temples.

Agreed. They should just demolish all mosques in India period. This will bring peace and healing to the hurt sentiments of the Hindu majority.

 

[MenInG]

Agreed. They should just demolish all mosques in India period. This will bring peace and healing to the hurt sentiments of the Hindu majority.

That is what will happen anyways.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

That is what will happen anyways.

Yes no doubt all mosques in India were probably built on ruins of demolished temples so we can expect there must be a big itch to even some scores.

But they will wisely leave the churches untouched for now, I think if they went after those, there would be some pretty angry western nations, that is not a step the Hindus would want to take.

 

[Kroll]

Government should demolish all these glorified Moghuls constructions over Hindu temples.

So if some unscrupulous builder built your home illegitimately over a Hindu temple and you were given no compensation or another place to stay, would you call for your home to be demolished?

 

[cricketjoshila]

So if some unscrupulous builder built your home illegitimately over a Hindu temple and you were given no compensation or another place to stay, would you call for your home to be demolished?

Actually thats the law. The home will be demolished. India's largest such demolition is going on in Noida. Read about the super tech towers demolition in Noida.

Do read about coca cola compound demolition in Mumbai.

Any illegal construction is to be demolished.

 

[Local.Dada]

So if some unscrupulous builder built your home illegitimately over a Hindu temple and you were given no compensation or another place to stay, would you call for your home to be demolished?

It wouldn’t be my choice would it. If it’s illegal property that doesn’t confirm to the laws, it would have to be demolished. That’s the way it works. I am 100% sure Pakistan probably has the same law. Is it followed or not is a different debate.

 

[Kroll]

Actually thats the law. The home will be demolished. India's largest such demolition is going on in Noida. Read about the super tech towers demolition in Noida.

Do read about coca cola compound demolition in Mumbai.

Any illegal construction is to be demolished.

It wouldn’t be my choice would it. If it’s illegal property that doesn’t confirm to the laws, it would have to be demolished. That’s the way it works. I am 100% sure Pakistan probably has the same law. Is it followed or not is a different debate.

In law, there's also something called time bar. I'm sure if the person that I have quoted had his home in that spot for 50 years, him and his family would contest it never mind a monument such as the Qutub Minar which has stood for 800 years and is also a UNESCO World Heritage site.

 

[cricketjoshila]

In law, there's also something called time bar. I'm sure if the person that I have quoted had his home in that spot for 50 years, him and his family would contest it never mind a monument such as the Qutub Minar which has stood for 800 years and is also a UNESCO World Heritage site.

Criminal offences have no time bar.

 

[Kroll]

Criminal offences have no time bar.

LOL, this isn't criminal, only that Hindutva fanatics are butt hurt and are going about saying anything and everything related to ancient ruling Muslim structures were built on Hindu temples. The whole thing would be quite funny if it wasn't so ridiculous.

Lets be honest, these guys don't even care about Hindu temples, their ideology is solely based on hate, violence and demonising the Muslim community.