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"Prime Minister Narendra Modi will be the only head of state out of 52 to be transported between venues at the Commonwealth Summit in London in the luxury of a chauffeur-driven limousine. All others will travel by coach during the summit that starts on Monday."

Feel proud to be an Indian. Modi in a limo!!!
 
1) Majority of kashmiri Shias want to have nothing to do with India. Imam Khomeini has time and again reiterated his support for freedom of Kashmir and Shias generally consider themselves bound by his words.

2) Many of the sikhs want to have nothing to do with India.

3) It is not just about Indian occupied Kashmir but also about AJK. When we combine both of them and then look at the percentages, even your twists and manipulations won't work.

4) You RSS folks should worry about Dalits and North east and even South India for that matter. Fix those issues which are more likely to end up in success because you are only going to get one thing out of Kashmir, failure.

Err. As a south Indian who actually lives in south India I can comfortably claim that 99% of south Indians irrespective of religion/caste are very happy to be part of India despite the occasional rhetoric by some odd politician. As someone who has vast experiences with various tribes of the northeast, there generally is a consensus among them that only the Indian state can give any sense of unity and bring an end to the tribal conflicts that exist there. The vast majority of northeasterners want greater recognition from mainstream India because of their unique culture but only a minority support secession. The only region where the majority want secession from India is Kashmir valley . Please refrain from talking about groups of people you have no idea about brother. It's a humble request :)
 
Err. As a south Indian who actually lives in south India I can comfortably claim that 99% of south Indians irrespective of religion/caste are very happy to be part of India despite the occasional rhetoric by some odd politician. As someone who has vast experiences with various tribes of the northeast, there generally is a consensus among them that only the Indian state can give any sense of unity and bring an end to the tribal conflicts that exist there. The vast majority of northeasterners want greater recognition from mainstream India because of their unique culture but only a minority support secession. The only region where the majority want secession from India is Kashmir valley . Please refrain from talking about groups of people you have no idea about brother. It's a humble request :)

I think he was responding to cricketjoshila's attempts to speak on behalf of Shias, it would be better if everyone refrained from trying to represent other's views in response to your humble request. :)
 
Brit Paks are also Brits Einstein. Sorry, most of us who actually live here don't always compartmentalise like Indians do. For you guys I guess it would be Saahib and chaiwallah.

No need to dismiss your Brit masters as chaiwallahs! Not all Indians in the UK are sahibs, some of them are regular folks.

This is clearly a sensitive topic for you. But have no worries, Modiji will leave town in a day or so. You can then breathe easy.
 
So non muslims and Shias who are together about 45% of J and K population and want nothing to do with Pakistan dont matter.lol.

Shia's want plenty to do with Pak. Why don't you ask them if you are so confident. They want nothing to do with India and you know that.
 
There is zero evidence for what you're saying here. Can you prove that most Kashmiri Muslims love Pak? A couple of pictures / video from Srinagar with people waving Pak flag doesn't prove anything. If these people really loved Pak, they'd be lining up outside your consulate for migration visa. And if you really loved them, you'd provide them migrant visa. All this flag waving is just airy-fairy stuff and doesn't amount to anything.

Stop making up stuff.

Don't be silly! There are thousand of Pak flags in IoK and you know it. Kashmiris are even buried in Pak flags, your flag on the other hand is openly disrespected that is why you have 500,000 soldiers in the valley. Why should they leave their land to please India when they want a merger with Pak? No they don't want to move to mainland Pakistan so you can takeover their land. That is want you want so you can settle outsiders in the valley.
 
Nice! So much for pretending that being a Muslim can be anyone's primary identity!!

Where is KingKhanWC? He might get a heart attack!!! His Islamic Ummah is falling apart.

Well I can not speak on behalf of other posters. For me the country I live in comes first followed by Pakistan. After that the countries that love Pakistan. By and large Indian Muslims do not do that so why should I care about them?? No reason to do so whatsoever. You can do whatever you want to do with them. Islamic Ummah only works if every Muslim community practically treats the other as if it's their own.
 
Do you know under what regulations Shabana was denied? Did you know the same regulations are used to deny hindus who eat non-veg? Or unmarried couples?

The building where I lived in Mumbai, denied permission to sell the ground floor flat to a rich hindu businessman because he was planning to convert that flat into a place for religious gatherings. The building society decided that such a buyer would be disruptive to the residential community. My mom was the most vocal opponent. She warned everybody that if you let this guy move in, he won't let the building kids play in the compound anymore. Now does that mean that hindus are discriminated against in Bombay?

You guys just cherry-pick isolated incidents and then mis-interpret them to suit your agenda.

I am not following what Shabana said years back. There have been other Muslim celebrities of your country who have said the same thing. Two wrongs don't make a right so stop trying to justify discrimination by saying that it happens to other communities as well. Did Amir Khan not say something similar off moving abroad for the same reason? Look, I have heard even many Hindu's say that your Muslim's are the most backward people in your country even behind the Dallit community in tterms oof education and things like that. Good news is that I am not lover of your Muslim's and neither are any Pakistanis I know. There are many forms of discrimination especially in India where there are so many religions then various groups from those religions..
 
I am not following what Shabana said years back. There have been other Muslim celebrities of your country who have said the same thing. Two wrongs don't make a right so stop trying to justify discrimination by saying that it happens to other communities as well. Did Amir Khan not say something similar off moving abroad for the same reason? Look, I have heard even many Hindu's say that your Muslim's are the most backward people in your country even behind the Dallit community in tterms oof education and things like that. Good news is that I am not lover of your Muslim's and neither are any Pakistanis I know. There are many forms of discrimination especially in India where there are so many religions then various groups from those religions..

You keep saying that you do not care about Indian Muslims. But you do spend a lot of time talking about them, telling Indians what to think about them etc.

Indian Muslims are probably the happiest Muslims there are. Let them be.
 
Well I can not speak on behalf of other posters. For me the country I live in comes first followed by Pakistan. After that the countries that love Pakistan. By and large Indian Muslims do not do that so why should I care about them?? No reason to do so whatsoever. You can do whatever you want to do with them. Islamic Ummah only works if every Muslim community practically treats the other as if it's their own.

Good on you to ack that Muslim identity is subservient to more important identities like nationality etc. Hope others on this forum learn from you.
 
You keep saying that you do not care about Indian Muslims. But you do spend a lot of time talking about them, telling Indians what to think about them etc.

Indian Muslims are probably the happiest Muslims there are. Let them be.

I spend time because this is the topic of this thread. Nowhere else have I mentioned them if you care to have a look. Don't know where you get your "lot of time" from? You are seeing things, as always. Great that they are happy only that your own media disagree's.
 
Shia's want plenty to do with Pak. Why don't you ask them if you are so confident. They want nothing to do with India and you know that.

Shias want nothing to do with Pakistan. They have silently moved away from this secessionist movement.
 
Good on you to ack that Muslim identity is subservient to more important identities like nationality etc. Hope others on this forum learn from you.

They should so for sure. I am a very practical person who believes in reality more then fictional feel good stories. If borders between Muslim countries are removed and we truly become one nation than I will support it. For now I don't care about any Muslim country that doesn't care about Pakistan. Iraq, Palestine, Syria, Yemen and all other Muslim communities are not Pak's problem. I care about Turkey as they have always supported Pakistan.
 
Shias in Kashmiris are already Indian citizens.

I see, you were talking about Indian Shias. Although once again I would have to remind you that one of the most prominent Indian Muslims slaughtered by Hindutva mobs in the Gujarat riots was Ehsan Jafri, and he was a Shia. His wife alleged his calls for help to the Minister of the state went unheeded, and we all know that minister went on to be a lionised leader of India today. Mr Modi.
 
I see, you were talking about Indian Shias. Although once again I would have to remind you that one of the most prominent Indian Muslims slaughtered by Hindutva mobs in the Gujarat riots was Ehsan Jafri, and he was a Shia. His wife alleged his calls for help to the Minister of the state went unheeded, and we all know that minister went on to be a lionised leader of India today. Mr Modi.

Killing of Ehsan Jafri and anyone during Godhra and Gujarat riots is condemnable. But one thing is that Mr Jafri and entire family are congress members. Mrs Jafri couldnot substantiate in the court her claims of calling up Modi.

The amount of lies the congress peddled againist Modi was exposed in the courts long before he became PM.

The Shias supported Modi in UP elections. They seem to be firmly supporting BJP.
 
I see, you were talking about Indian Shias. Although once again I would have to remind you that one of the most prominent Indian Muslims slaughtered by Hindutva mobs in the Gujarat riots was Ehsan Jafri, and he was a Shia. His wife alleged his calls for help to the Minister of the state went unheeded, and we all know that minister went on to be a lionised leader of India today. Mr Modi.

That was a lie. There was no call record of anyone calling Modi for help. Police arrived late and were able to save the wife and others.
 
Killing of Ehsan Jafri and anyone during Godhra and Gujarat riots is condemnable. But one thing is that Mr Jafri and entire family are congress members. Mrs Jafri couldnot substantiate in the court her claims of calling up Modi.

The amount of lies the congress peddled againist Modi was exposed in the courts long before he became PM.

The Shias supported Modi in UP elections. They seem to be firmly supporting BJP.

Being a Congress member wasn't much help to Jafri when the Hindu mobs cut him to pieces during the anti-Muslim riots of Gujarat when Modi was Minister. I won't comment on whether Mrs Jafri was a liar, suffice to say that I respect your judiciary and law enforcement officials as much as I am sure you respect Pakistan's. Your view that the Shias ( also known as Muslims) seem to be supporting BJP would need some substantiation for me to take it seriously.
 
Being a Congress member wasn't much help to Jafri when the Hindu mobs cut him to pieces during the anti-Muslim riots of Gujarat when Modi was Minister. I won't comment on whether Mrs Jafri was a liar, suffice to say that I respect your judiciary and law enforcement officials as much as I am sure you respect Pakistan's. Your view that the Shias ( also known as Muslims) seem to be supporting BJP would need some substantiation for me to take it seriously.

Being BJP members also didn’t helped 100s of Hindus who were murdered in same Gujarat riots.Just saying.
 
Shias in Kashmiris are already Indian citizens.

Lol t such statement re Shias in Kashmir; to say that they aren't against Indian policies and dont want freedom.

U know about an organisation called Anjuman Sharian Shia, It is largest organisation of Shias in valley and wants Freedom for Kashmir.

U know about Agha Syed al Mosvi Al Safvi, u know anything about Abbas Ansari. Do u know who they are????

How can u give such rubbsih statements without any proof. Zadibal in Srinagar is the area with almost 100% Shia Muslim population and u know what 8 votes were casted there last year for Parliament seat.

There are no Shias and Sunnis and Pandits and Sikhs; we are Kashmiris.
 
Lol t such statement re Shias in Kashmir; to say that they aren't against Indian policies and dont want freedom.

U know about an organisation called Anjuman Sharian Shia, It is largest organisation of Shias in valley and wants Freedom for Kashmir.

U know about Agha Syed al Mosvi Al Safvi, u know anything about Abbas Ansari. Do u know who they are????

How can u give such rubbsih statements without any proof. Zadibal in Srinagar is the area with almost 100% Shia Muslim population and u know what 8 votes were casted there last year for Parliament seat.

There are no Shias and Sunnis and Pandits and Sikhs; we are Kashmiris.

8 votes casting is not a great example to show Shia doesn’t like India especially when terrorists held guns to thier & their loved one head
 
8 votes casting is not a great example to show Shia doesn’t like India especially when terrorists held guns to thier & their loved one head

When did this happen; what are u posting boy.

Atleast do some research before posting.
 
Gujarat riots: India court overturns Maya Kodnani conviction

An Indian court has overturned the conviction of a senior BJP party member who was sentenced to 28 years in jail for her part in the murder of 97 people in the 2002 Gujarat religious riots.

Maya Kodnani, a former state minister, was the most senior figure convicted.

She was among 32 convicts who had appealed to the Gujarat high court against their 2012 sentences.

Thirty others received life sentences for their part in the riots in Naroda Patiya, a suburb of Ahmedabad.

The high court however upheld the sentence of Babu Bajrangi, a former leader of the right-wing Hindu group Bajrang Dal, who was condemned to remain in jail until he dies.

BBC Gujarati's Roxy Gadekar said the court had acquitted Ms Kodnani on benefit of doubt, as there were no police witnesses who confirmed the charge that she had provoked a Hindu mob.

They also said that she had been named as an accused much later - only after a special investigation team had taken over the probe into the riots.

The riots left more than 1,000 people, mostly Muslims, dead, and were among India's worst outbreaks of unrest.

The rioting began after 60 Hindu pilgrims died in a train fire blamed on Muslims in the town of Godhra.

Ms Kodnani was not a minister at the time of the riots, but was appointed junior minister for women and child development by Narendra Modi who was the chief minister of Gujarat at the time. She was a close aide to Mr Modi.

She quit her post when she was arrested in 2009 in connection with the massacre but remained a member of the state assembly.

Correspondents said her conviction was an embarrassment for Mr Modi who elevated her to ministerial office in 2007 despite being aware that her role in the riots was being investigated.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-43834715

Yup, one rule for Muslims, another rule for Hindus in India.
 
Ms Kodnani was not a minister at the time of the riots, but was appointed junior minister for women and child development by Narendra Modi who was the chief minister of Gujarat at the time. She was a close aide to Mr Modi.

She quit her post when she was arrested in 2009 in connection with the massacre but remained a member of the state assembly.

Correspondents said her conviction was an embarrassment for Mr Modi who elevated her to ministerial office in 2007 despite being aware that her role in the riots was being investigated.

Can't have been that much of an embarrassment if you compare with subsequent appointments made by Modi.
 
There are demos in shia majority areas as well as sunni majority areas and both boycott elections, it's not even silent at this point

In India there are places were hardly any votes happened due to Naxalites,pretty easy to make entire villages not vote by using guns.

Conducting protests is pretty easy in India,even in big cities within short notice u can arrange protests.
 
There are demos in shia majority areas as well as sunni majority areas and both boycott elections, it's not even silent at this point

Is that the best you've got? The jihadi threat of violence if you voted has been in place for quite a while now. If anything, the voting percentages reflect the sentiment that people want their lives to improve and are quite willing to use the ballot box as a means to do so.

Indians like to pretend that there is no disaffected population in J&K. And Pakistanis like to pretend that there is no support for India. Neither reflects reality.
 
Shias want nothing to do with India, they are silently supporting the freedom movement

With all these people, Sunnis, Shias, Dalits, North-East folks, wanting freedom from India, I wonder how a nation of 1.3 Billion has survived for 70+ years and is going from strength to strength.

These comments are even more ironic coming from Pakistanis!
 
With all these people, Sunnis, Shias, Dalits, North-East folks, wanting freedom from India, I wonder how a nation of 1.3 Billion has survived for 70+ years and is going from strength to strength.

These comments are even more ironic coming from Pakistanis!

I'm a kashmiri dude
 
Nice! So much for pretending that being a Muslim can be anyone's primary identity!!

Where is KingKhanWC? He might get a heart attack!!! His Islamic Ummah is falling apart.

Im not sure why you are struggling with a simple concept.

If any Muslim had to choose between their religion and their nationality, they would of course choose to keep their religion.

Dont worry about the Ummah, Indian Muslims may be weak but no other Muslims fear radical saffron extremists.
 
Is that the best you've got? The jihadi threat of violence if you voted has been in place for quite a while now. If anything, the voting percentages reflect the sentiment that people want their lives to improve and are quite willing to use the ballot box as a means to do so.

Indians like to pretend that there is no disaffected population in J&K. And Pakistanis like to pretend that there is no support for India. Neither reflects reality.

How many people have been killed for voting last election? The idiotic move in 2016 to kill people in south Kashmir who have by and large been India supporters and the recent response to the Kathua incident has increased the dislike of Indian government and forces even more. Kashmir elections, especially since the mass rigging in '87, have been more window dressing than anything else
 
Good on you to ack that Muslim identity is subservient to more important identities like nationality etc. Hope others on this forum learn from you.

Why is nationality more important than religion? A Muslim in West Bengal has more in common than a Muslim is Bangladesh than a Hindu in Tamil nadu and vice versa
 
Im not sure why you are struggling with a simple concept.

If any Muslim had to choose between their religion and their nationality, they would of course choose to keep their religion.

Dont worry about the Ummah, Indian Muslims may be weak but no other Muslims fear radical saffron extremists.

When did you became spokesperson of 1.5bn muslims? Deciding what they will choose. Who is weak. Who fears what.
 
When did you became spokesperson of 1.5bn muslims? Deciding what they will choose. Who is weak. Who fears what.

Its called an opinion pal and I have given my reasons in the OP.

In the UK where we are all 'equal' you wont see Saffron radicals pushing around Muslims. They bow their heads and walk on quietly. I dont understand why Indian Muslims today are scared of such people when in history minority of Muslims ruled over them.
 
Why is nationality more important than religion? A Muslim in West Bengal has more in common than a Muslim is Bangladesh than a Hindu in Tamil nadu and vice versa

You muslims may believe what you want, but we Indian muslims belong to two circles..as maulana ali said.. we indian muslims belong to two circles, one the muslim world and the other indian circle. Only if you had studied venn diagrams will you understand that we dont belong to the intersection but the union of the circles. so don't speak for us.
 
Its called an opinion pal and I have given my reasons in the OP.

In the UK where we are all 'equal' you wont see Saffron radicals pushing around Muslims. They bow their heads and walk on quietly. I dont understand why Indian Muslims today are scared of such people when in history minority of Muslims ruled over them.

Dont know who are saffron radicals in UK but i doubt anyone bows their heads and walk on quietly because some KKWC thinks so.

Your opinion of scared doesnot count. You can be brave in your country or where ever you please and chest thump about it.

Just because some people converted to the religion of the conquerors doesnot make them rulers.

Your opinion was rejected by Indian muslims in 1947 and Bangladeshis in 1971.
 
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You muslims may believe what you want, but we Indian muslims belong to two circles..as maulana ali said.. we indian muslims belong to two circles, one the muslim world and the other indian circle. Only if you had studied venn diagrams will you understand that we dont belong to the intersection but the union of the circles. so don't speak for us.

You said you were hindu dude, when did u convert? Ghar Wapsi incoming :))
 
Dont know who are saffron radicals in UK but i doubt anyone bows their heads and walk on quietly because some KKWC thinks so.

Your opinion of scared doesnot count. You can be brave in your country or where ever you please and chest thump about it.

Just because some people converted to the religion of the conquerors doesnot make them rulers.

Your opinion was rejected by Indian muslims in 1947 and Bangladeshis in 1971.

Wembley was full of the extremsits who support an extremist leader and an extremist party but they dont run around trying to oppress Muslims here, they keep their heads low.

It means nothing to me what you think of my opinion. You seem to be some self proclaimed defender or the BJP and BCCI.

They reject the BJP extremists too which you support.
 
Im not sure why you are struggling with a simple concept.

If any Muslim had to choose between their religion and their nationality, they would of course choose to keep their religion.

Dont worry about the Ummah, Indian Muslims may be weak but no other Muslims fear radical saffron extremists.

If religion is so important why fight for land why can’t just move to a Muslim country?
 
Why is nationality more important than religion? A Muslim in West Bengal has more in common than a Muslim is Bangladesh than a Hindu in Tamil nadu and vice versa

Well Bangladesh proved how effective religion is in terms of national identity didnt it?
 
Wembley was full of the extremsits who support an extremist leader and an extremist party but they dont run around trying to oppress Muslims here, they keep their heads low.

It means nothing to me what you think of my opinion. You seem to be some self proclaimed defender or the BJP and BCCI.

They reject the BJP extremists too which you support.

Extremist? In whose opinion? Yours? You are the law in UK? The PM of UK was in attendance at Wembley.

Why will anyone try to oppress anyone?

Why will the most financially well off immigrant community keep their heads low? Lol. Who are you? No one fears you. Try showing off somewhere else. You and yoyr delusions.

In India everyone is free to choose which political party they want to choose. Its a basic right.
 
Extremist? In whose opinion? Yours? You are the law in UK? The PM of UK was in attendance at Wembley.

Why will anyone try to oppress anyone?

Why will the most financially well off immigrant community keep their heads low? Lol. Who are you? No one fears you. Try showing off somewhere else. You and yoyr delusions.

In India everyone is free to choose which political party they want to choose. Its a basic right.

Your beloved leader, his party and his leadership are all extremists. Everyone apart from you and other supporters knows this.

You dont see them talking down to Muslims in the UK because you know why? They would find themselves in hospital. I guess it's ok in India when they know their government will support them. As we see rapists and those who bombed innocents are let off.
 
Who is fighting for land and where should they move to? If you want a conversation you need to upgrade your English and be clear.

Kashmiri’s who else? Unfortunately Kashmir pandits were already thrown out of thier own land by other extremists from Kashmir.

As for as moving they can go any where they want,I guess Pakistan will be very much happy to have them.Or else they can even migrate like Pakistani Hindus/Sikhs does.Also we all heard how people migrate from various parts of world like Irak/Afgan/Syria etf etc.


I am ok with peoples need,so if religion is what matters so be it.
 
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Kashmiri’s who else? Unfortunately Kashmir pandits were already thrown out of thier own land by other extremists from Kashmir.

As for as moving they can go any where they want,I guess Pakistan will be very much happy to have them.Or else they can even migrate like Pakistani Hindus/Sikhs does.Also we all heard how people migrate from various parts of world like Irak/Afgan/Syria etf etc.


I am ok with peoples need,so if religion is what matters so be it.

They are not cowards who will leave their land so Hindu extremists can move in. Many of the pandits supported your armies terrorism, so it's natural there would be backlash against them. Blame your army.

Your point is flawed and weak. Religion comes first but this doesn't mean you must run away to other Muslims when you are being oppressed.
 
Your beloved leader, his party and his leadership are all extremists. Everyone apart from you and other supporters knows this.

You dont see them talking down to Muslims in the UK because you know why? They would find themselves in hospital. I guess it's ok in India when they know their government will support them. As we see rapists and those who bombed innocents are let off.

1. No one believes your version of Modi. Go stop UK govt from giving him the red carpet.

2.Why should anyone talk down to anyone? And one who lands another in the hospital finds himself in jail. You know from breaking the law. Thats what happens to criminals. Why are you boasting about committing criminal acts? Is it some kind of proud achievement to land up in jail that you are chest thumping about it?

Even though its so brave to claim all this on the internet.

You can see anything, the UK govt sees otherwise. Dont think they are caring too much about the pakistani view point.
 
1. No one believes your version of Modi. Go stop UK govt from giving him the red carpet.

2.Why should anyone talk down to anyone? And one who lands another in the hospital finds himself in jail. You know from breaking the law. Thats what happens to criminals. Why are you boasting about committing criminal acts? Is it some kind of proud achievement to land up in jail that you are chest thumping about it?

Even though its so brave to claim all this on the internet.

You can see anything, the UK govt sees otherwise. Dont think they are caring too much about the pakistani view point.

lol. No you're right the world think Modi is just like Mother Theresa. He was banned in the UK and the only reason they lifted the ban because Modi was conisdered the next PM. Ive educated on this before but you seem to enjoy living in denial.

Self defence is no crime. If Saffron extremists attempted to bully me, I would put them in hospital with a smile on my face.

Even many Indians hate the BJP and Modi, they protested his arrival. The UK government just wants third world India to buy it's arms, they dont love Modi like you do.
 
lol. No you're right the world think Modi is just like Mother Theresa. He was banned in the UK and the only reason they lifted the ban because Modi was conisdered the next PM. Ive educated on this before but you seem to enjoy living in denial.

Self defence is no crime. If Saffron extremists attempted to bully me, I would put them in hospital with a smile on my face.

Even many Indians hate the BJP and Modi, they protested his arrival. The UK government just wants third world India to buy it's arms, they dont love Modi like you do.

1.Modi was given the red carpet in uk. The UK PM attended Modis event in UK. Its the UK govt that sets the narrative.

2. No one will bully any one but since you think so it seems you think you can bully. You cannot bully anyone. You are just the ordinary joe on the street like everyone else.

I doubt you can put anyone in the hospital but if you do you will be treated as a criminal as you should be.
 
1.Modi was given the red carpet in uk. The UK PM attended Modis event in UK. Its the UK govt that sets the narrative.

2. No one will bully any one but since you think so it seems you think you can bully. You cannot bully anyone. You are just the ordinary joe on the street like everyone else.

I doubt you can put anyone in the hospital but if you do you will be treated as a criminal as you should be.

LOL of course the UK PM will attend. If he wasn't the PM of India, Modi would still be banned to this day.

It's the Hindu extremists who are bullying Muslims in India. I was reffering to this, if they were do so in the UK they wouldn't be so lucky. You can doubt what you like but if you ever come to the UK, please do not try what your friends are doing in India.
 
Minorities have issues everywhere. Be it India or Pakistan or even US. Despite governments offering a path through sops or reservations discriminations exist and will continue to be so. What minorities can do is to take advantage of these programs and strengthen their community through education instead of becoming religious zealots.

India with it's democratic structure and secular consitution has countless atrocities against minorities. I have a few close friends whose families can't even rent a house where they want in India because they belong to the minority community. The killings because of innocous things like beef, the forced conversions and it is damn scary to live as a minority. The Constitution gives the rights to the minorities but unless regular people believe and buy into that, there is no point of the rhetoric.

Pakistan is constitutionally an Ismalic Nation. If the national identity is based on a single religion, one can understand the plight of the minorities there. Where is the sense of belonging to the minority communities if you consider their religion as irrelevant. Again, this is in a country where people believe that religion trumps nationality.

One thing minorities can avoid is being absolutely dumb and stupid. I have seen documentaries of Godhra and Kashmir on YouTube and some of them were gut wrenching. If you are a minority in a country, how dumb would you be to burn a train with the most religious majority community in it? If you are a minority in a country how does an arm struggle help your cause against the majority? At the end of the day, India is still a democracy and majority wins. If u want something, u need to win over the majority. U can't do that if u are dumb.
 
LOL of course the UK PM will attend. If he wasn't the PM of India, Modi would still be banned to this day.

It's the Hindu extremists who are bullying Muslims in India. I was reffering to this, if they were do so in the UK they wouldn't be so lucky. You can doubt what you like but if you ever come to the UK, please do not try what your friends are doing in India.

1. Ifs and Buts dont make the world.

2. Again you scare no one. You are feared by none. You are just an ordinary guy just like most people on the street. Dont know what you on about doing this doing that, you can only do what another immigrant to UK can, nothing more.
 
Are you slow?

Its your saffron clad friends who are terrorising Indian Muslims. My point is simple they are doing it because they are the majority not because they are brave, imo they are all cowards. This is why you dont see them doing this neutral countries such as the UK.

It's your mates who aren't feared by anyone outside of India.

Aah aaya vda badmaash. Dhamki de ra hai...darpok keh ra to all hindus living in uk......tu hi kon bhai ???? Why dnt you say this to UN recognized terrorists to do this abroad in uk then we will see ..your mates are just cowards.Cannot do a jack other than killing minorities and doing bomb blasts.
Offcourse you are not feared that's why people like you are stripped naked at every airports of the world . Even you pm got stripped naked. USA tried it to our shahrukh and then later had to aplogize for that.
 
Another thread on Indian muslims? LOL

Give it a rest @OP. Few incidents here and there doesnt male 150M muslims in India at risk.


I for one would like you to talk about minorities in Pakistan. I still remember how people of my community were killed in broad day light in Karachi (Safoora bus attack) and you have audacity to question security of us Muslims in India.

Anyways, continue to live your cuckooland.
 
Another thread on Indian muslims? LOL

Give it a rest @OP. Few incidents here and there doesnt male 150M muslims in India at risk.


I for one would like you to talk about minorities in Pakistan. I still remember how people of my community were killed in broad day light in Karachi (Safoora bus attack) and you have audacity to question security of us Muslims in India.

Anyways, continue to live your cuckooland.

I have provided references to numerous articles which suggest Indian Muslims are suffering at the rise of Hindu extremists who have gained new motivation since the BJP and Modi came into power.

Are you really an Indian Muslim? :sachin
 
I have provided references to numerous articles which suggest Indian Muslims are suffering at the rise of Hindu extremists who have gained new motivation since the BJP and Modi came into power.

Are you really an Indian Muslim? :sachin

As much as you’re Pakistani muslim.
 
I have provided references to numerous articles which suggest Indian Muslims are suffering at the rise of Hindu extremists who have gained new motivation since the BJP and Modi came into power.

Are you really an Indian Muslim? :sachin

I also provided you a reference SAFOORA ATTACK and there are many incidents of minorties in Pakistan being targetted, but i dont see you raise a point for them. Is your concern only for Muslims? Do you not care about minorities in your country?
 
I've interacted with a lot of Gujarati Indians both Hindu and Muslim. And generally well mannered and polite.

Quite a few of the Muslims are nationalistic which is not bad, but soon I think they will wake up to BJP extremism.

I'm honestly struggling to think of a community of people who would come together to defend gang rapists of a child. Maybe in particular war zones, but honestly can't imagine a Muslim country where people would openly defend a group of men who were did what was allegged... Knowing forensic, mobile phone data etc all points to the alleged perpetrators. Just thinking of what went through the mind of the victim while what they did sends a shudder through my soul... Regardless of religion or nationality, caste... To defend that???
 
I have provided references to numerous articles which suggest Indian Muslims are suffering at the rise of Hindu extremists who have gained new motivation since the BJP and Modi came into power.

Are you really an Indian Muslim? :sachin

Ok We get you are concerned about the Indian muslims who are not Pakistani citizens. I think it is only fair lad you give a little more attention to the Pakistani minorities, as they are Pakistanis afterall and you being a Pakistani champion for progress from behind your UK keyboard should speak about them in the open, you game enough to make a thread on Pakistani minorities ?
 
They are not cowards who will leave their land so Hindu extremists can move in. Many of the pandits supported your armies terrorism, so it's natural there would be backlash against them. Blame your army.

Your point is flawed and weak. Religion comes first but this doesn't mean you must run away to other Muslims when you are being oppressed.

Strange argument you have here,religion comes first but don’t want to move to place where your religion is primary.No wonder people from Iraq/Syria etc emigrate to western countries rather than fellow Islamic countries.
 
Put it this way: are Indian Muslims any different to Muslims who are minorities in other countries? Like Chinese Muslims? French Muslims? Myanmarese Muslims?
 
Put it this way: are Indian Muslims any different to Muslims who are minorities in other countries? Like Chinese Muslims? French Muslims? Myanmarese Muslims?

There is huge difference in Muslims as minorities in India and other country.Population.

Muslims are in large numbers in India which is more than populations of many countries.They hog all the benefits reserved for miniorities in India.

Regarding China I don’t think Pakistan/Pakistanis doesn’t have any courage to talk even mildly :)
 
Im not sure why you are struggling with a simple concept.

If any Muslim had to choose between their religion and their nationality, they would of course choose to keep their religion.

I'll let you argue this out with PakLFC. He is saying he'll pick national identity over Islamic identity. Most Muslims are in fact doing that. The fact that there are 50+ Muslim majority nations (instead of one pan-Islamic nation) is the proof.

If you're say you're a Muslim first, Pakistani next, you're in a minority. Deal with it.
 
Here's the bottom line. Indian Muslims have not tasted azaadi like Pakistani Muslims have. Deep down Indian Muslims are hurting but do not have the courage to man up and accept they are 3rd class citizens in India, despite the facts and figures which confront them. Even in this thread, any trace of an Indian muslims, and it's Pakistan this Pakistan that. They call it subconscious cruelty.
 
Here's the bottom line. Indian Muslims have not tasted azaadi like Pakistani Muslims have. Deep down Indian Muslims are hurting but do not have the courage to man up and accept they are 3rd class citizens in India, despite the facts and figures which confront them. Even in this thread, any trace of an Indian muslims, and it's Pakistan this Pakistan that. They call it subconscious cruelty.

What does Pakistani azadi entitles? Perseculation of minorities?blasphemy laws?Honour killings?depending on US earlier and now China?
 
I wonder why are British Pakistanis so concerned about how Muslims are treated in India. I bet that if we start talking about the condition of minorities in Pakistan, the likes of [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION], [MENTION=146465]R3verse Swing[/MENTION] would be nowhere to be seen.
 
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