Indian players in my time scored tons for themselves and not the team, claims Inzamam-ul-Haq

[Abdullah719]

Former Pakistan captain Inzamam-ul-Haq believes that Indian batsmen he played against scored hundreds for themselves instead of the team while the players from his side were exactly the opposite.

Inzamam was speaking to Ramiz Raja on his Youtube channel, listing the major difference between the two teams during his playing days.

“When we played against India, their batting was more powerful than ours on paper. Even (though) our batsmen scored 30 or 40 runs, they were for the team. But for India, even if they scored 100 runs, they played for themselves,” Inzamam said.

“So, that was the difference between the two sides,” he added.

Inzamam made his debut under the 1992 World Cup-winning captain and current Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan and said the way he backed his players even when they were not performing, made him a respected leader.

“Imran (bhai) was not a very technical captain, but he knew how to get the most out of his players. He backed the young players, he backed the players he believed in and this made him a great captain,” said the 50-year-old, who scored more than 20,000 runs for Pakistan in his career.

“He would not drop any player if he failed in one series as he believed in giving the player a long rope and this the biggest reason why everyone in the side respected him so much.”

During the 1992 World Cup campaign, Inzamam repaid the faith shown on him by scoring a whirlwind 60 off 37 balls against New Zealand in the semifinals.

In the final match against England, he scored 42 runs off 35 balls.

https://sportstar.thehindu.com/cric...d-hundreds-for-themselves/article31412876.ece

 

[liam26]

Indian batsmen were playing for themselves, means the runs scored by them were not getting added in the overall Teams score but only in personal records of the players.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Indirect attack at Sachin, Ganguly, Dravid and VVS?

 

[Rana]

Brutal Inzi.

 

[Rana]

To be fair, I recon Yuvraj, Sehwag and Dhoni had always stepped up to play the defining innings in ODIs against Pakistan. They were the three originals who tipped the balance in favour of India, with Raina and Ghambir to follow.

IMO Inzimam is right at calling out Tendulkar to be a bit of a selfish player. The same Tendulkar disappointed millions of his Pakistani fans by his comments during the Pulwama incident

 

[gazza619]

This is what happens when there is no cricket going on but you still got to run your youtube channel.

I dont think I completely agree with Inzi here. See in Inzi’s era Pakistan had gun players at 7, 8 and 9. So the top order could afford to play a lot more freely. Imagine a Razzaq, Mehmood, Moin, Akram and Afridi waiting in the wings to smash the opposition.

On the other hand India had Robin Singh and Nayan Mongia. The names are enough...hence the Indian top order really had to carefully compile their innings..

 

[Mesozoic]

This is what happens when there is no cricket going on but you still got to run your youtube channel.

I dont think I completely agree with Inzi here. See in Inzi’s era Pakistan had gun players at 7, 8 and 9. So the top order could afford to play a lot more freely. Imagine a Razzaq, Mehmood, Moin, Akram and Afridi waiting in the wings to smash the opposition.

On the other hand India had Robin Singh and Nayan Mongia. The names are enough...hence the Indian top order really had to carefully compile their innings..

Pretty much this.

 

[Ab Fan]

Dravid and Laxman played for the team more than many players around the world would. Sehwag had his own style of batting and he never really cared about milestones.

Tendulkar had to care about milestones because that is what fans wanted to see from him.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

LOL what about the time when Sehwag blasted a triple century in Multan. Or when Dravid smashed 270 at Rawalpindi? Were they playing for themselves too?

Inzamam is the only Pakistan captain to lose a home series to India so I think he is the last one who should be making statements like these.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

To be fair, I recon Yuvraj, Sehwag and Dhoni had always stepped up to play the defining innings in ODIs against Pakistan. They were the three originals who tipped the balance in favour of India, with Raina and Ghambir to follow.

IMO Inzimam is right at calling out Tendulkar to be a bit of a selfish player. The same Tendulkar disappointed millions of his Pakistani fans by his comments during the Pulwama incident

Tendulkar was thrust into the role of being a selfish player because India's batting was 90% dependent on him during the 90s. As soon as he got out in a run-chase you knew the game was up. Therefore, he had to put a price on his wicket for the team and was selfish for very unselfish reasons.

Later on, Tendulkar evolved with the changing era and nowhere was that more evident than the 2011 World Cup.

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

More often than not the runs scored by Pakistani batsmen was backed up by Wasim, Waqar, Saqlain, Mushtaq Ahmed, Shoaib, Aqib, Razzak, Azhar whereas Indian batsmen had trundlers who could not defend anything to save their lives.

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

Inzi 'the match winner' is still one of the greatest Pakistani batsmen but no he can't justify his lack of centuries by badmouthing other nations. No sir we're not having your excuses. It's just a shame that he didn't justify his talent after Imran compared him with Viv in terms of strokeplay. I can't even imagine how he couldn't score runs in Australia and South Africa having such strong technique against pacers. Sheer laziness and lack of will being the reasons. Just imagine if he had more hunger!

 

[Gayle_Force]

I saw this interview on Youtube and this is a classic example of taking a quote way out of context.

 

[TalhaSyed]

I saw this interview on Youtube and this is a classic example of taking a quote way out of context.

As expected by such classless media outlets

 

[adzzy786]

To be fair, I recon Yuvraj, Sehwag and Dhoni had always stepped up to play the defining innings in ODIs against Pakistan. They were the three originals who tipped the balance in favour of India, with Raina and Ghambir to follow.

IMO Inzimam is right at calling out Tendulkar to be a bit of a selfish player. The same Tendulkar disappointed millions of his Pakistani fans by his comments during the Pulwama incident

What did Tendulkar say?

 

[adzzy786]

Inzi 'the match winner' is still one of the greatest Pakistani batsmen but no he can't justify his lack of centuries by badmouthing other nations. No sir we're not having your excuses. It's just a shame that he didn't justify his talent after Imran compared him with Viv in terms of strokeplay. I can't even imagine how he couldn't score runs in Australia and South Africa having such strong technique against pacers. Sheer laziness and lack of will being the reasons. Just imagine if he had more hunger!

More hunger and if he was fitter he would have been an ATG. I think he would have been spoken about as one of the best ever if he had the hunger and better fitness.

People always say on this forum that fitness doesn’t matter but here is a clear case his 50 to 100 ratio in ODI’s is ridiculously poor and that was clearly down to fitness. If he has been fitter his 50’s would have been 100’s.

 

[Indiafan]

To be fair, I recon Yuvraj, Sehwag and Dhoni had always stepped up to play the defining innings in ODIs against Pakistan. They were the three originals who tipped the balance in favour of India, with Raina and Ghambir to follow.

IMO Inzimam is right at calling out Tendulkar to be a bit of a selfish player. The same Tendulkar disappointed millions of his Pakistani fans by his comments during the Pulwama incident

Sachin in his prime had one of the highest strike rates and one of the fastest conversion from 70 to 1p0 from 80 to 100 from 90 to 100

The reason Pakistani players make such comments about selfishness and vague things is because they never had a single fact to attack so they used worlds which can never been proven

 

[Indiafan]

Dravid and Laxman played for the team more than many players around the world would. Sehwag had his own style of batting and he never really cared about milestones.

Tendulkar had to care about milestones because that is what fans wanted to see from him.

Stats? Sachin had one of the highest strike rates in his prime and one of the fastest conversion to 100.

Rest all are fantasies of jealous people

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

More hunger and if he was fitter he would have been an ATG. I think he would have been spoken about as one of the best ever if he had the hunger and better fitness.

People always say on this forum that fitness doesn’t matter but here is a clear case his 50 to 100 ratio in ODI’s is ridiculously poor and that was clearly down to fitness. If he has been fitter his 50’s would have been 100’s.

Exactly. Also imagine the batting culture if Inzi was fitter really converted those countless fifties. At least he can agree with that part and motivate youngsters to put in the hard yards! The man is still in a denial...

 

[Rana]

Stats? Sachin had one of the highest strike rates in his prime and one of the fastest conversion to 100.

Rest all are fantasies of jealous people

But it’s not like India were winning as much as they are in Kohli’s days. A lot of the wins were not because of Sachin’s many tons and I doubt he stood out as a match winner batsman the way Ponting stood out. Ponting was the boss!

 

[Ab Fan]

But it’s not like India were winning as much as they are in Kohli’s days. A lot of the wins were not because of Sachin’s many tons and I doubt he stood out as a match winner batsman the way Ponting stood out. Ponting was the boss!

But Ponting won zilch after McGrath and Warne retired. What you say?

 

[andy0204]

But Ponting won zilch after McGrath and Warne retired. What you say?

Won the champions trophy 2009.

 

[Rana]

But Ponting won zilch after McGrath and Warne retired. What you say?

Ponting was a spent force by then anyways. A lot of his contemporaries has also retired such as Hayden, Gilchrist, Langer. He probably played a year or two longer than he should have, maybe trying to maximise his brand image by getting some final lucrative IPL deals.

 

[Gayle_Force]

Again people saying that this was a dig at Sachin really need to actually watch the interview.

Inzi was clearly talking about some of the lessor known players in the Indian team during the 90s who were just trying to keep their place in the team.

This is a recent video of Inzi, which clearly demonstrates the high regard in which Inzi places Sachin:

 

[Ab Fan]

Ponting was a spent force by then anyways. A lot of his contemporaries has also retired such as Hayden, Gilchrist, Langer. He probably played a year or two longer than he should have, maybe trying to maximise his brand image by getting some final lucrative IPL deals.

So, his peak coincided when Australia were at their all time best and as soon as the legends retired, he became a spent force. I am not sure if that is enough to rate him or his match winning ability above some other Australian legend who is carrying the weaker Australia team and still winning them matches in India and England single-handedly.

 

[Rana]

Again people saying that this was a dig at Sachin really need to actually watch the interview.

Inzi was clearly talking about some of the lessor known players in the Indian team during the 90s who were just trying to keep their place in the team.

This is a recent video of Inzi, which clearly demonstrates the high regard in which Inzi places Sachin:

But who exactly? There is one clear 100 by a guy called Mongia I believe against the West Indies, he made no effort whatsoever to chase the score down

 

[Rana]

So, his peak coincided when Australia were at their all time best and as soon as the legends retired, he became a spent force. I am not sure if that is enough to rate him or his match winning ability above some other Australian legend who is carrying the weaker Australia team and still winning them matches in India and England single-handedly.

That’s a flawed argument. Ponting has to stand and bat for himself, and Ponting has to take the entire equation into account as a responsible captain and bat accordingly, which he did like a real boss during his hey days. Whilst Tendulkar may have been far more talented as a batsman, I feel that he failed to dominate the game the way Ponting stood up like the real leader of his pack. And you cannot argue that Tendulkar did not have stalwarts of cricket to support him the way Ponting did when the two played in the same era.

 

[Gayle_Force]

But who exactly? There is one clear 100 by a guy called Mongia I believe against the West Indies, he made no effort whatsoever to chase the score down

Again the interview needs to be watched and the quote is being taken out of context, which is partially also due to the translation into English.

He was clearly talking about the mindset of the batsmen but people are fixating on the '100' and correlating it with Sachin.

 

[tyron_woodley]

To be fair, I recon Yuvraj, Sehwag and Dhoni had always stepped up to play the defining innings in ODIs against Pakistan. They were the three originals who tipped the balance in favour of India, with Raina and Ghambir to follow.

IMO Inzimam is right at calling out Tendulkar to be a bit of a selfish player. The same Tendulkar disappointed millions of his Pakistani fans by his comments during the Pulwama incident

tendulkar is a fraud. He Only plays for himself that's why I never rate him as a great.
If he had the mentality of kohli he could have been the best ever. Not to mention the fitness level. He is the most selfish indian player I have ever come across.

 

[viveks]

But it’s not like India were winning as much as they are in Kohli’s days. A lot of the wins were not because of Sachin’s many tons and I doubt he stood out as a match winner batsman the way Ponting stood out. Ponting was the boss!

Wait so you're telling me that Kohli's team and Ponting's team won more than Sachin's team? Wow maybe it had something to do with the fact that the aforementioned teams were stronger! Crazy theory I know

 

[Gayle_Force]

tendulkar is a fraud. He Only plays for himself that's why I never rate him as a great.
If he had the mentality of kohli he could have been the best ever. Not to mention the fitness level. He is the most selfish indian player I have ever come across.

Lol without Sachin carrying the Indian team through the 90s you would not have the Indian team you are watching today. Also, you wouldnt have a Kohli either as Sachin was clearly an inspiration for him.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

Again people saying that this was a dig at Sachin really need to actually watch the interview.

Inzi was clearly talking about some of the lessor known players in the Indian team during the 90s who were just trying to keep their place in the team.

This is a recent video of Inzi, which clearly demonstrates the high regard in which Inzi places Sachin:

Agree with his sentiments and especially how tendolkar he blew Mushtaq and qadir out the attack on peshawar
But why was Danish never paid the same respect by inzimam?

 

[chacha kashmiri]

Indirect attack at Sachin, Ganguly, Dravid and VVS?

I don't think he's talking about naved ul hasan when he's talking about 30's and 40's either

 

[Gayle_Force]

Agree with his sentiments and especially how tendolkar he blew Mushtaq and qadir out the attack on peshawar
But why was Danish never paid the same respect by inzimam?

You are talking about Danish Kaneria? He was the primary spinner throughout Inzi's captaincy, that shows tremendous respect to me.

 

[Rana]

Wait so you're telling me that Kohli's team and Ponting's team won more than Sachin's team? Wow maybe it had something to do with the fact that the aforementioned teams were stronger! Crazy theory I know

Sachin’s team from 1999-2008 was not week. Try grasping the argument fully before entering the ring.

 

[viveks]

Sachin’s team from 1999-2008 was not week. Try grasping the argument fully before entering the ring.

It wasn't as good as Pontings team or Kohli's...can you point to an actual reason how Ponting or Kohli are 'matchwinners' as opposed to Sachin...The only thing you've shown is that stronger teams win more. As far as I can tell, Sachin had a superior record to Ponting in ODIs despite having a weaker line-up...

 

[chacha kashmiri]

You are talking about Danish Kaneria? He was the primary spinner throughout Inzi's captaincy, that shows tremendous respect to me.

Danish seems to think he was disrespected and isolated from the rest of the team during inzamams tenure

 

[Gayle_Force]

Danish seems to think he was disrespected and isolated from the rest of the team during inzamams tenure

Danish also was involved in match fixing and tried to cover it for multiple years so I would take what he says with a grain of salt. Also, I dont recall him saying that the disrespect came directly from Inzamam.

 

[Abdullah719]

Danish seems to think he was disrespected and isolated from the rest of the team during inzamams tenure

He has stated multiple times that he holds Inzi in high regard and never felt any negative vibes from him.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

Danish also was involved in match fixing and tried to cover it for multiple years so I would take what he says with a grain of salt. Also, I dont recall him saying that the disrespect came directly from Inzamam.

It's not just Danish, it's shoaib akhtar too who says Noone would eat with Danish

Danish should be praised just like Tendulkar has, he even dismissed Brian Lara 5 times in his career

 

[Swashbuckler]

That’s a flawed argument. Ponting has to stand and bat for himself, and Ponting has to take the entire equation into account as a responsible captain and bat accordingly, which he did like a real boss during his hey days. Whilst Tendulkar may have been far more talented as a batsman, I feel that he failed to dominate the game the way Ponting stood up like the real leader of his pack. And you cannot argue that Tendulkar did not have stalwarts of cricket to support him the way Ponting did when the two played in the same era.

But Sachin's ODI SR is higher than Ponting's despite him making his debut 6-7 years earlier and playing lot of matches in low scoring 90s era.

 

[Gayle_Force]

It's not just Danish, it's shoaib akhtar too who says Noone would eat with Danish

Danish should be praised just like Tendulkar has, he even dismissed Brian Lara 5 times in his career

Not sure If this is meant to be a joke?

Are you seriously suggesting Danish deserves the same praise as Tendulkar?

 

[chacha kashmiri]

Not sure If this is meant to be a joke?

Are you seriously suggesting Danish deserves the same praise as Tendulkar?

He deserves praises which he claims the PCB never gave him, he was on a similar level to rayudu who everyone praises and recognises

 

[Gayle_Force]

He deserves praises which he claims the PCB never gave him, he was on a similar level to rayudu who everyone praises and recognises

This is definitely going off topic. This was about Inzi's views on Sachin.

I dont know what Danish and Rayudu have to do with it. I dont recall Inzi releasing a video praising Rayudu.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

This is definitely going off topic. This was about Inzi's views on Sachin.

I dont know what Danish and Rayudu have to do with it. I dont recall Inzi releasing a video praising Rayudu.

I'd have to get post match interviews from the ICL

Back to Tendolkar and others, who is Inzi talking about when he's talking about selfish Indian batsmen?

 

[ahmedzee]

I always thought Sachin, Jadeja, Azhar were very selfish batsmen, use to score worthless centuries that didn't contributed to the team's victory. However Dravid, Ganguly were totally different. They almost always scored when the team needed it the most.

 

[Rana]

It wasn't as good as Pontings team or Kohli's...can you point to an actual reason how Ponting or Kohli are 'matchwinners' as opposed to Sachin...The only thing you've shown is that stronger teams win more. As far as I can tell, Sachin had a superior record to Ponting in ODIs despite having a weaker line-up...

You have just reaffirmed Inzimam’s comment and also my point of view on this topic. Having a superior record to Ponting but could not be counted as the man who holds the key to supreme success the way Ponting did in his era. The Indian side was not as weak as you make it out to be. Tendulkar still had legends like Dravid, Ganguly, Sehwag, Laxman to fight alongside him. Indian fast bowling may not have been Wasim Akram/Waqar Younis standards but they could certainly bowl! Srinath, Pathan, Nehra, Agarkar, Zaheer Khan, Young Sreesanth were all good if not very good bowlers who were capable of putting a good shift in. Further supported by two good spinners in Harbajhan and Kumble, with the likes of Yuvraj, Tendulkar himself and Sehwag chipping in with useful overs.

So with the caliber of that Indian team I would reiterate that Tendulkar still did not stand up and made himself count the way Ponting did, the way Williamson and Steven Smith do now.

 

[Hawkeye]

I always thought Sachin, Jadeja, Azhar were very selfish batsmen, use to score worthless centuries that didn't contributed to the team's victory. However Dravid, Ganguly were totally different. They almost always scored when the team needed it the most.

Goes to show you have ZERO cricketing knowledge.

Now tell me how many Man of the Match awards SRT has?

 

[Walawalkar]

Had a great laugh going through this thread.. The memories of Tendulkar still Haunting Pakistani Cricket Fans..

 

[sshakir411]

Haha and there was only one Indian batsman scoring tons. We all know who it is! Still the best batsman of his time though. No doubt.

 

[liam26]

Some real nonsense going on in this thread :

List of players with highest number of Man of the Match awards in Odis :

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Sachin : 62 Awards

Ponting : 32 Awards

Dravid : 14 Awards

Tendulkar has almost double the number of MOM awards won by Ponting.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Inzamam was very selfless. That is why he batted at 5 to rescue Pakistan from bad situations. While doing this he sacrificed so many centuries.

If Inzamam opened the batting for Pakistan like Tendulkar did for India, he would have hit 60 ODI centuries. That's how great he was.

It is sad that some Indian fans will now start abusing Big Inzy.

Say whatever for his actions against Kaneria, but as a batter Inzy is a legend of the game and in my humble opinion only behind The Great Haneef Mohammad and Javed Bhai as Pakistan's 3rd greatest batsman ever.

 

[Gayle_Force]

I'd have to get post match interviews from the ICL

Back to Tendolkar and others, who is Inzi talking about when he's talking about selfish Indian batsmen?

I am sure Inzi has praised Danish many times in post match interviews.

Anyways, back to the topic. As I said, he was talking about the mindset not a specific player.

Here is a brief summary of the conversation:

He was asked about the issues of some young Pakistani Batsmen. He said captain and coach need to give confidence to young players by trusting and backing them for long periods. He said young Pakistani batsmen in the last few years have been playing to secure their position rather than playing to win.

He than talked about the confidence given to young players during his era (90s) and contrasted it with the Indian team at that time.

Again, how can Sachin be the target here as his position in the Indian team was pretty much always secure.

 

[Bhaijaan]

It is also sad that Sachin who is loved, respected and adored worldwide finds zero respect from Pakistani fans and players.

He might have his flaws but he was also a great player.

Pakistanis never respected him and continue to mock him.

It remains tje only blemish on Sachin's career that he never got accepted by Pakistanis as a great player.

For this reason, I woll never be able to forgive Pakistani friends.

Many of you are my friends it is true but for your injustice to my cricketing idol I will never be able to forgive you in my commentary on this beautiful game.

 

[Gayle_Force]

It is also sad that Sachin who is loved, respected and adored worldwide finds zero respect from Pakistani fans and players.

He might have his flaws but he was also a great player.

Pakistanis never respected him and continue to mock him.

It remains tje only blemish on Sachin's career that he never got accepted by Pakistanis as a great player.

For this reason, I woll never be able to forgive Pakistani friends.

Many of you are my friends it is true but for your injustice to my cricketing idol I will never be able to forgive you in my commentary on this beautiful game.

I dont think that is true at all. Most Pakistani fans and players have tremendous respect for Sachin. Its just the minority are more vocal and I am confident that even they admire Sachin behind the closet.

 

[viveks]

You have just reaffirmed Inzimam’s comment and also my point of view on this topic. Having a superior record to Ponting but could not be counted as the man who holds the key to supreme success the way Ponting did in his era. The Indian side was not as weak as you make it out to be. Tendulkar still had legends like Dravid, Ganguly, Sehwag, Laxman to fight alongside him. Indian fast bowling may not have been Wasim Akram/Waqar Younis standards but they could certainly bowl! Srinath, Pathan, Nehra, Agarkar, Zaheer Khan, Young Sreesanth were all good if not very good bowlers who were capable of putting a good shift in. Further supported by two good spinners in Harbajhan and Kumble, with the likes of Yuvraj, Tendulkar himself and Sehwag chipping in with useful overs.

So with the caliber of that Indian team I would reiterate that Tendulkar still did not stand up and made himself count the way Ponting did, the way Williamson and Steven Smith do now.

Between 1999-2008(your criteria) India's bowling had the worst ODI average from top 8 teams and worst economy rate(even worse than Bangladesh). I think that explains things better than Sachins supposed match winning ability.

 

[MP2011]

But Sachin's ODI SR is higher than Ponting's despite him making his debut 6-7 years earlier and playing lot of matches in low scoring 90s era.

So not let facts get in the way of their time pass.

 

[Zaz]

People need to watch the video rather than take things out of context

Inzy has tremendous respect for tendulker and his achievements But there is an aspect where "some" indians would play for themselves

 

[tyron_woodley]

Between 1999-2008(your criteria) India's bowling had the worst ODI average from top 8 teams and worst economy rate(even worse than Bangladesh). I think that explains things better than Sachins supposed match winning ability.

You have stats to back that up?
in 2003 indian bowling was actually quite good. Not to mention they also won helped india win a champions trophy during that period.

2003 indian team was a strong odi team. Second only to punter's side of that year.

 

[viveks]

You have stats to back that up?
in 2003 indian bowling was actually quite good. Not to mention they also won helped india win a champions trophy during that period.

2003 indian team was a strong odi team. Second only to punter's side of that year.

 

[viveks]

You have stats to back that up?
in 2003 indian bowling was actually quite good. Not to mention they also won helped india win a champions trophy during that period.

2003 indian team was a strong odi team. Second only to punter's side of that year.

Now do you have stats to back up that Tendulkar "only plays for himself"?

 

[Rana]

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Classical example of taking everything out of context and basing judgement on stats

290 matches out of which 160+ would most likely be in India. Where par score would be 300-330. Where going at 5-6 runs per over would be the norm for most fast bowlers.

Is this your attempt in proving Tendulkar could not show that he is Ponting because he was let down big time by his team mates? Quite disrespectful to a legendary line of great Indian cricketers if that’s your argument

 

[viveks]

Classical example of taking everything out of context and basing judgement on stats

290 matches out of which 160+ would most likely be in India. Where par score would be 300-330. Where going at 5-6 runs per over would be the norm for most fast bowlers.

Is this your attempt in proving Tendulkar could not show that he is Ponting because he was let down big time by his team mates? Quite disrespectful to a legendary line of great Indian cricketers if that’s your argument

I don't believe that he "couldn't show he was Ponting" because I don't base an individuals caliber on their teams performances. I also don't think he was "let down", I think that India, like most teams had results based on the ability of their players. Australia was great because they had a great team, not just Ponting. India was okay with good periods because their team was around the same, they didn't underachieve or overachieve because of Sachin.

 

[sshakir411]

Had a great laugh going through this thread.. The memories of Tendulkar still Haunting Pakistani Cricket Fans..

Can you pull up Tendulkar’s record against Pakistan? Fact is India did not play Pakistan enough for us to think he’s god. Other than an innings here or there he didn’t really win any games against Pakistan. In fact only one that Indians always bring up is the 03 WC. I’ll go as far as saying Sehwag probably won more games against Pakistan than Sachin.

 

[Walawalkar]

Can you pull up Tendulkar’s record against Pakistan? Fact is India did not play Pakistan enough for us to think he’s god. Other than an innings here or there he didn’t really win any games against Pakistan. In fact only one that Indians always bring up is the 03 WC. I’ll go as far as saying Sehwag probably won more games against Pakistan than Sachin.

Its never about stats...I can post his 100s of record's and Gigantic stats you will still cry and try to find some irrelevant loopholes to feel better...Like I saud its never about stats or number... Its Jealousy.. insecurity.. Inferiority... Denial to accept the fact that Tendulkar is One of the Greatest ever to step on the cricket field...The fact that Pakistan never produced even 0.1% calibre batsman what Sachin was.. Denial to look at the humongous records set by the little master...Even 7-8 years after his retirement people still compare his stats with other players just to put him down..still trying to find some weak links just to feel better...

 

[tyron_woodley]

Now do you have stats to back up that Tendulkar "only plays for himself"?

I don't need stats for that fraud. I would take Ricky over him in odi anyday. Tenda never stepped up vs mcgrath in crucial odi games. A total failure vs the best bowler in the most important games.

He plays for himself in all those bullsh*t bilateral and triangular torunament rubbish that were played throughout the 90s right until late 2000. He is the definition of a stat padder. Played so many useless knocks for himself.

 

[tyron_woodley]

tenda is a test legend and he is a great obviously. He is very overrated in odi.

 

[kingusama92]

tendulkar is a fraud. He Only plays for himself that's why I never rate him as a great.
If he had the mentality of kohli he could have been the best ever. Not to mention the fitness level. He is the most selfish indian player I have ever come across.

A lot of that has to do with the end of his career.

Tendulkar's prime was clearly dominant and right on par with the best. His numbers at the height of his peak were ridiculously good, especially for that era.

 

[viveks]

I don't need stats for that fraud. I would take Ricky over him in odi anyday. Tenda never stepped up vs mcgrath in crucial odi games. A total failure vs the best bowler in the most important games.

He plays for himself in all those bullsh*t bilateral and triangular torunament rubbish that were played throughout the 90s right until late 2000. He is the definition of a stat padder. Played so many useless knocks for himself.

Okay so let's say he failed against one of the best ODI bowlers in crucial games....How does that back up your assertion that "he played for himself"?

 

[sshakir411]

Its never about stats...I can post his 100s of record's and Gigantic stats you will still cry and try to find some irrelevant loopholes to feel better...Like I saud its never about stats or number... Its Jealousy.. insecurity.. Inferiority... Denial to accept the fact that Tendulkar is One of the Greatest ever to step on the cricket field...The fact that Pakistan never produced even 0.1% calibre batsman what Sachin was.. Denial to look at the humongous records set by the little master...Even 7-8 years after his retirement people still compare his stats with other players just to put him down..still trying to find some weak links just to feel better...

Read my first comment on this thread, kid. And then mention how that comment was because of jealousy, insecurity, and what other jargon you wrote. Indians are the biggest cry babies I’ve come across.

 

[Hitman]

Its never about stats...I can post his 100s of record's and Gigantic stats you will still cry and try to find some irrelevant loopholes to feel better...Like I saud its never about stats or number... Its Jealousy.. insecurity.. Inferiority... Denial to accept the fact that Tendulkar is One of the Greatest ever to step on the cricket field...The fact that Pakistan never produced even 0.1% calibre batsman what Sachin was.. Denial to look at the humongous records set by the little master...Even 7-8 years after his retirement people still compare his stats with other players just to put him down..still trying to find some weak links just to feel better...

Stole the words out of my mouth.

 

[Savak]

I will take Tendulkar's performances in Australia with a grain of salt. He couldn't dominate in 1999 against Mcgrath, in 2003 he was lucky Australia were without Mcgrath and Warne, In 2007 Mcgrath and Warne retired and the Australian bowling attack was no longer feared and he didn't have a successful tour in 2011-12.

Inzamam was unsuccessful in Australia but in every tour from 1995, 1999, 2005 he had to contend with Mcgrath and Warne and in 2005, he was ruled out of the last two test matches due to injury. In 1999 he did manage to score a century against Warne and Mcgrath and even Teenda has only one century in Australia facing Warne and Mcgrath.

That said Inzi underachieved in comparison to Teenda but was able to win a significant number of matches for Pakistan. This thing about India being severely dependent on Teenda is also a myth. That may have been true in the 90's from 1996 to 2000 but after 2000 the likes of Ganguly, Dravid, Laxman began to step up and then Sehwag, Yuvraj, Kaif stepped up. Pakistan only had Inzi and Yousaf whereas the rest of the batting was unreliable and this meant Inzi had to shoulder a great deal of burden being his team's premier batsman.

 

[Hitman]

I will take Tendulkar's performances in Australia with a grain of salt. He couldn't dominate in 1999 against Mcgrath, in 2003 he was lucky Australia were without Mcgrath and Warne, In 2007 Mcgrath and Warne retired and the Australian bowling attack was no longer feared and he didn't have a successful tour in 2011-12.

Inzamam was unsuccessful in Australia but in every tour from 1995, 1999, 2005 he had to contend with Mcgrath and Warne and in 2005, he was ruled out of the last two test matches due to injury. In 1999 he did manage to score a century against Warne and Mcgrath and even Teenda has only one century in Australia facing Warne and Mcgrath.

That said Inzi underachieved in comparison to Teenda but was able to win a significant number of matches for Pakistan. This thing about India being severely dependent on Teenda is also a myth. That may have been true in the 90's from 1996 to 2000 but after 2000 the likes of Ganguly, Dravid, Laxman began to step up and then Sehwag, Yuvraj, Kaif stepped up. Pakistan only had Inzi and Yousaf whereas the rest of the batting was unreliable and this meant Inzi had to shoulder a great deal of burden being his team's premier batsman.

He won the MOS in that 1999 series in Australia.

 

[KP From India]

1996 Aus Wc league match me Venkatesh prasad ne Mcgrath aur Warne ko mara tha 90 runs.
Sharjah me Shrinath aur Kumble ne 134 or 142 kiya tha.
Aur Warne ko sapna aata tha ki Ashish Nehra usko chokke chakke mara rha hai.

 

[Walawalkar]

Read my first comment on this thread, kid. And then mention how that comment was because of jealousy, insecurity, and what other jargon you wrote. Indians are the biggest cry babies I’ve come across.

Do one thing young man...Just go through this thread read all the comments and then come back and tell me who actually crying on this thread... When the whole cricket world is celebrating Birthday of One of the Greatest Cricketer to ever played this Game here we have some cricket fans still crying and whinning.. Get well Soon.

 

[Romali_rotti]

I will take Tendulkar's performances in Australia with a grain of salt. He couldn't dominate in 1999 against Mcgrath, in 2003 he was lucky Australia were without Mcgrath and Warne, In 2007 Mcgrath and Warne retired and the Australian bowling attack was no longer feared and he didn't have a successful tour in 2011-12.

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SRT only got to play 1 series vs McGrath and Warne in Aus and he avg 46 in that series despite he him taking on McGrath, Warne and the aussie umpires. He was given 3 bad decisions in that series.. The next series was the legendary series in India vs Mcrath and Warne where he avg 50 but Laxman was the star of the show. Brian Lara avgs 37 vs McGrath in Australia. Only series Where McGrath got on top of SRT was in India 2004 where SRT did not play the full series as he was Tennis Elbowed. McGrath vs SRT when both players were healthy was a stale mate. However Inzi was just poor vs McGrath and Warne overall.

 

[andy0204]

A lot of Sachinstas and anti-Tendulkar comments here,
Tbh Tendulkar wasn't that good in 2000's than he was 1990's.
I can guarantee that a lot of posters here have watched him in 2000's and at that time Ponting achieved more than Tendulkar.

Any ways Happy Birthday to Master Blaster .

 

[andy0204]

SRT only got to play 1 series vs McGrath and Warne in Aus and he avg 46 in that series despite he him taking on McGrath, Warne and the aussie umpires. He was given 3 bad decisions in that series.. The next series was the legendary series in India vs Mcrath and Warne where he avg 50 but Laxman was the star of the show. Brian Lara avgs 37 vs McGrath in Australia. Only series Where McGrath got on top of SRT was in India 2004 where SRT did not play the full series as he was Tennis Elbowed. McGrath vs SRT when both players were healthy was a stale mate. However Inzi was just poor vs McGrath and Warne overall.

Lara played 3 test series in Australia with McGrath and Warne were there.
Tendulkar played only 1,I can guarantee the stats would be same as Lara if he had played more series in Australia when McGrath and warne were there.

 

[Invincible Gujjar]

inzi speaking the truth here.Sachin whatever his name is had always played for himself.Selfish player.Humein kya chotta insaan hai Woh chotti hai uski Soch.Never liked that selfish individual.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Lara played 3 test series in Australia with McGrath and Warne were there.
Tendulkar played only 1,I can guarantee the stats would be same as Lara if he had played more series in Australia when McGrath and warne were there.

warne was poor vs india but yes for sure mcgrath would have made tenda his bunny. That 46 would have easily been 37.