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what about sacchuu bhai vs Alan donald. don't think he fared well at all vs donald.
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Indian players in my time scored tons for themselves and not the team, claims Inzamam-ul-Haq
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Only Waugh brothers and Azhar Mahmood done well against Donald.
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And Atherton as well.
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not even in india if I recall correctly? I don't think sacchu tenda did well vs donald even at home. lol.
He truly sucked vs top bowlers.
Kohli actually got the better of his nemesises the second time he faced them.
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I feel SRT under achieved vs Donald. In South Africa SRT avg 39 when going up against Donald, it's not bad but it's not great either, main culprit was Brian McMillan and Handle Cronje who always got SRT out when he looked set. SRT I felt at times struggles in SA as it had more seam movement where in Aus vs McGrath and co he looked comfortable because the wicket was bouncy with less seam movement and he did not have the Lara type bad technique. Laras technique was the reason why his avg was poor vs McGrath and co in Aus.
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younis khan over tenda anyday.
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You can score a meaningless century and still win MOM award. Where does cricketing knowledge come here? I've been not only following but playing cricket since probably before you were born. Don't need anyone to tell me I don't have cricketing knowledge as I have witnessed so many games lives that involved all 5 players I mentioned above. I am entitled to my opinion, and Inzi just supported that.
You're using the same argument that Shoaib Malik uses - I'm more experienced, so I know and play better cricket than a youngster.
Your argument is SRT's centuries didn't result in victories.
What if you are wrong? Will you accept your bias and that you were wrong?
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Ironic statement.
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Here is winning tons record looks like for SRT in ODI.
4k+ runs - 33 tons - avg 207 - SR 100+ ( when tons resulted in win)
Argument that these runs didn't result in vitory is weird.
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SRT was MOM in WC-2011 semi final. 5 catches dropped off him, and scored 70 something. Can you explain how that deserves MOM?
It was always about personal landmark rather than taking your team to victory. I admit there might be an inning here and there however majority are not like that.
Compare that to Inzi's centuries and contribution mostly resulting in victories. I ahve never been biased against Sachin as I was fan. You can definitely show me the cases in order to change my opinion but I for one remember how Sachin throws wickets when the tough gets going and when team needs him the most. Have witnessed countless matches with him in it so no stat can take it over.
You have not seen him enough then.
As for that Mohali innings, how was he selfish if your fielders were butter fingered? If anything, he scored the most in the game and that, along with Raina's innings proved to be the difference in the end.
If you were trying to prove your point, at least choose a better (or worst) innings played by him.
Facts like these will go over the head of some.
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He scored 85. He was the reason we won the match and that's why he won the MOM in that match. He holds the world record of receiving the maximum MOM and MOS awards in international cricket.
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As regards Inzamam, he has 1 century against Australia and South Africa in international cricket.
Sachin, on the other hand, has 32 centuries against Australia and South Africa in international cricket.
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Ok dear, let me explain.
1. In 1994 vs Aus, 1 st innigs as opener in 78 innings, scored 110 vs Aus in winning cause.
2. In 1996, Kanpur vs Aus, his 13 th 100 in winning cause while chasing.
3. 90 vs Aus, smashed Mcgrath , Warne like no tommorow.Its shame that clowns like Mongia didnt get remaining 15 odd runs.
4. Smae WC, league match vs, SL, 137 at run a ball. Manjrekar was a culprit 7(36) like your Misbah, we had plenty of Misbahs in our side back then.
5. Semi final 1996, scored 65, only batsmen who looked comfertable in a match after Arvinda.
6. Same year against Pak in August, he and Sidhu scored 100+each. We defended that total and guess what, this overrated batsmen chipped in with few wickets as well.
7. 143 vs Aus. Sharjah storm. Havent seen anyting like this since started watching cricket.Was wrongly given out.
8. 134 vs Aus this time finals. Guess what in WINNING cause. You missed Sacjin batting and Tony commentry combo.
9. 186 vs a decent attack of Nz in 1999 when strike rate of 100+ was rare.
10. In 1998, 100 vs Vaas, Murali and guess what in winning cause.
All these innings are before 2000s and only ODIs.
I am a huge Inzy fan and would like to know these kind of Inzy innings from you.
If you believe Ganguly and Dravid were bigger match winners, then you can enlist their innings as well.
1. In 1994 vs Aus, 1 st innigs as opener in 78 innings, scored 110 vs Aus in winning cause.
2. In 1996, Kanpur vs Aus, his 13 th 100 in winning cause while chasing.
3. 90 vs Aus, smashed Mcgrath , Warne like no tommorow.Its shame that clowns like Mongia didnt get remaining 15 odd runs.
4. Smae WC, league match vs, SL, 137 at run a ball. Manjrekar was a culprit 7(36) like your Misbah, we had plenty of Misbahs in our side back then.
5. Semi final 1996, scored 65, only batsmen who looked comfertable in a match after Arvinda.
6. Same year against Pak in August, he and Sidhu scored 100+each. We defended that total and guess what, this overrated batsmen chipped in with few wickets as well.
7. 143 vs Aus. Sharjah storm. Havent seen anyting like this since started watching cricket.Was wrongly given out.
8. 134 vs Aus this time finals. Guess what in WINNING cause. You missed Sacjin batting and Tony commentry combo.
9. 186 vs a decent attack of Nz in 1999 when strike rate of 100+ was rare.
10. In 1998, 100 vs Vaas, Murali and guess what in winning cause.
All these innings are before 2000s and only ODIs.
I am a huge Inzy fan and would like to know these kind of Inzy innings from you.
If you believe Ganguly and Dravid were bigger match winners, then you can enlist their innings as well.
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SR of India/Pak batsmen from that time period (90s and early 2000s) since they played in more or less similar conditions
Anwar 80.67
Ijaz 80.30
Aamer Sohail 65.50
Saleem Malik 76.41
Inzi 74.24
Afridi 117
Razzaq 81.25
Sachin 86.23
Ganguly 73.70
Dravid 71.24
Sidhu 69.72
Azharuddin 74.02
Ajay Jadeja 69.80
Robin Singh 74.30
Funnily enough Sachin's SR in the 90s was higher than in the 2000-12 period. It was 86.79 in the 90s at average 42.85, an insane stat. His overall SR is almost same as Yuvraj and Yuvi came to cricket 11 years after Tendulkar's debut.
Anwar 80.67
Ijaz 80.30
Aamer Sohail 65.50
Saleem Malik 76.41
Inzi 74.24
Afridi 117
Razzaq 81.25
Sachin 86.23
Ganguly 73.70
Dravid 71.24
Sidhu 69.72
Azharuddin 74.02
Ajay Jadeja 69.80
Robin Singh 74.30
Funnily enough Sachin's SR in the 90s was higher than in the 2000-12 period. It was 86.79 in the 90s at average 42.85, an insane stat. His overall SR is almost same as Yuvraj and Yuvi came to cricket 11 years after Tendulkar's debut.
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It is not the job of an opener to finish matches, opener sets the platform while number 5 and 6 batsmen get the job done. Going gets tough in WCs, Sachin is the leading run scorer there by a big margin, and at a tremendous SR.
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True, most here I guess have memories of him post the tennis elbow phase when he became more of an acccumulator and cut down on many strokes like the hook, pull, slog sweep. He was a force of nature in the 90s, one of the highest peaks any batsmen has ever recorded in both formats and no blemish in his record, used to get at least one 100 in every series and had the mindset to dominate the best bowlers.
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Inzi bhai surely is joking. Indian batting was just poor in the 90s, the inability to play strokes shouldn't be misconstrued as selfishness 
Maybe Tendulkar slowed down in the latter part of his career, that bit is kinda true.
Maybe Tendulkar slowed down in the latter part of his career, that bit is kinda true.
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SRT scored 85 runs in Mohali Semis , the second highest score in the Indian innings was 38. Without 85 runs scored by SRT India would not be able to put up 260, who else would be MOM if not him?
https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...-india-1st-odi-india-tour-of-pakistan-2003-04
An example of a match losing innings by Inzamam. Dont know why Pakistanis hype this match losing effort against India while criticizing SRT.
Lol, Inzi, the selfless batsman had his s/r 12 runs lesser than Tendulkar! His average too is way lesser than him.
Irony just died 100 deaths! Tendulkar's S/r and average combination was unheard of in that era. And hence he is rightly the best ever ODI bat.
And this combination is after him playing 463 ODIs, in such variety of playing conditions!
No true. His s/r from '05 till end of his career is same as his s/r before that, 86.30 @ 44.80!
His s/r is 87.23 and average was 47.54 from '06 till end of his career!
From '07 it's 89 and 48!
From '08, it's 91 and 48!
From '09, it's 93 and 50!
From '10, it's 92 and 47!
From '11, it's 85.7 and 39.4!
During his last year, he averaged 31.5 @ 81. So you can say his average and s/r dropped. Someone who has played non stop cricket at the highest level for 24 years, can have 1 bad year and that too his very last year.
In fact, his insane consistency over 2 decades at international level is what makes him best ever ODI bat.
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Those are nice numbers but I have seen Tendulkar in 90's and Tendulkar in 2000.
Tendulkar in 90's we know how dangerous he was,the impact he had.
In 2000's [MENTION=143530]Swashbuckler[/MENTION] pointed out he looked more like accumulator just like Kohli is doing nowadays in ODIs.
Tendulkar had a couple of slow years in the mid 2000s but he had a resurgence after the 2007 WC.
In 2009, he scored 163* in 130 Balls in NZ.
In 2009, he scored 175 in around 140 Balls against Australia at Hyderabad and India almost chased a mammoth score.
And finally in 2010, SRT became the first Batsman to break the 200 run barrier, that too at an age of 37 years.
Accumulators cant score 200 , only a Gayle, Guptill, Sharma and Sehwag can do it. I will see when someone like Babar Azam can score a Double Ton when he is at his prime. Tendulkar scored a double ton at an age of 37 after spending 21 years in his International career, not at his peak young but at fag end of his career which shows how high standards he maintained for more than 20 years.
In 2009, he scored 163* in 130 Balls in NZ.
In 2009, he scored 175 in around 140 Balls against Australia at Hyderabad and India almost chased a mammoth score.
And finally in 2010, SRT became the first Batsman to break the 200 run barrier, that too at an age of 37 years.
Accumulators cant score 200 , only a Gayle, Guptill, Sharma and Sehwag can do it. I will see when someone like Babar Azam can score a Double Ton when he is at his prime. Tendulkar scored a double ton at an age of 37 after spending 21 years in his International career, not at his peak young but at fag end of his career which shows how high standards he maintained for more than 20 years.
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I will take those innings with a grain of salt,
I would prefer watching 143,134 Sharjah knocks and hell even I will prefer watching 98 against Pakistan at Wc.
He was great till he had tennis elbow in my opinion.
I would prefer watching 143,134 Sharjah knocks and hell even I will prefer watching 98 against Pakistan at Wc.
He was great till he had tennis elbow in my opinion.
Nice numbers? They are outrageous numbers for someone playing top level cricket for so long.
What accumulation? Do those s/r point out that he was accumulating? That and very healthy average points out only one thing that he was far ahead of his peers, someone who devised ways out of his career threatening injuries and still managed to stay very relevant despite the game changing so much from the time he made his debut.
For someone who has not played any form of cricket, it may appear to be a game of binaries, but it's not.
Lol, grain of salt! If those innings are nothing, what else will you say about sangas, dhonis, ABs etc of those times?
But who am I to convince you when you have decided already that Tendulkar was done in '04.
Thank god, Indian team management had better cricketing sense and they persevered with him for next 8-9 years. The time he spent with Indian team, also helped us unearth so many great bats, all those who owe their success to Tendulkar.
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Sorry I forgot to write that he was great to watch till he had tennis elbow.
I can agree with you what you just said but I didn't see those strokeplays when had in 90's than in 2000's.
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It's not hard to underetand that if you only score tons against weaker teams of your era then your tons will have higher chance of coming in wins. Similarly, if you score lots of tons agaisnt best teams of your era then many tons will come in loss.
How do you become the best match winner?
Don't score tons against best teams.
Extreme situation, play for a non-minnow team and score tons only against minnows. Hurray, you become the best match winner in history.
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Was he playing T20i as others were playing?
NO.
Sanga,Dhoni and Devillers were playing T20 as well with tests and ODIs.
Many Sachin fans and Indian fans said that India played less matches in 90's.
He may played for too long but he wasn't taking workload as others were.
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I have followed Sachin from the start. In my opinion he is still the best batsman we have produced so far followed by Gavaskar, Dravid and others. He played against better bowlers, better teams. You actually have to watch those matches live to experience that. Before Ganguly became captain it was all about Sachin or nothing. After Ganguly became captain he created many match winners and took the pressure off Sachin. 
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I watched him in mid 90's.
Yes he still is the Indias best batsman but sometimes he gets overrated as well.
Yes he still is the Indias best batsman but sometimes he gets overrated as well.
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Tendulkar was a brilliant batsmen, he had a desire which 2nd to none and his wicket was always the most valued.
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How is he overrated?
Especially by 90's kids(which Iam from)
They think Tendulkar reinvented cricket for India but don't forget India was playing cricket before him and won matches in overseas as well that includes winning series in England twice,Westindies in 1971, drawn the test series in Australia against Dennis Lillie and Greg Chappell.
Even if Tendulkar wasnt playing,India would be still playing cricket as well.
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Nope Tendulkar didn't reinvent cricket in India those who say that are no different than those fans who think Pant/Pandya are the next big things in cricket.
He made cricket popular among kids by batting like he did in the 1996 World Cup which was hosted by Asian teams. Popularity of cricket kept on growing from there in India.
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I have followed Sachin from the start. In my opinion he is still the best batsman we have produced so far followed by Gavaskar, Dravid and others. He played against better bowlers, better teams. You actually have to watch those matches live to experience that. Before Ganguly became captain it was all about Sachin or nothing. After Ganguly became captain he created many match winners and took the pressure off Sachin.
he dint play against better bowlers. Modern era is more batsmen friendlier. Bowlers are probably better now.
His record vs donald, mcgrath and steyn would show that he struggled vs every top bowler.
he is a great player but he is vastly overrated.
Though he did play for a weak team in 90s away from home.
from 2004 till 2010 india had a powerful side and he did fairly well.
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Mcgrath
How did SRT struggle against Mcgrath ? we talking test matches here.
He avgd 46 in the series were Mcgrath played in Aus, 99
He avgd 50 in the series were Mcgrath played in India 2001
His only 3 or more test series where he struggled vs Mcgrath was in 2004
where he only played 2 matches and was not fit with the tennis Elbow. You need a bare minimum of 2 fully fit arms when you are taking on an all time great/probably the greatest test side ever of batsmen and bowlers (we can forgive him for that series)
Steyn:
Do you know what his test record is vs Steyn ? If you are trolling all good no problem
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Yeap agreed, he underachieved, an avg of 39 in SA is not the best considering his standards.
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Then you don't know much about Tendulkar, leave it.
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Mcgrath
How did SRT struggle against Mcgrath ? we talking test matches here.
He avgd 46 in the series were Mcgrath played in Aus, 99
He avgd 50 in the series were Mcgrath played in India 2001
His only 3 or more test series where he struggled vs Mcgrath was in 2004
where he only played 2 matches and was not fit with the tennis Elbow. You need a bare minimum of 2 fully fit arms when you are taking on an all time great/probably the greatest test side ever of batsmen and bowlers (we can forgive him for that series)
Steyn:
Do you know what his test record is vs Steyn ? If you are trolling all good no problem
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Yeap agreed, he underachieved, an avg of 39 in SA is not the best considering his standards.
in 2003 he was lucky to have not faced mcgrath otherwise he would have a lesser average as mcgrath was at his best in this years. 2003 series he face a fodder like kasprowicz and some other rubbish bowlers who are not fit to tie the laces of mcgrath.
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Well in the Chennai test match had Moin Khan not taken the greatest bumped catch of all time off Ganguly India would have won the match meaning SRT's innings would have been labelled the greatest match winning knock of all time. However it didnt happen, so what ifs should not be brought here when comparing different situations..
Also Mcgrath was at his best during 99 & 2001 as aussies were undefeated on a 17 game win streak.
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Who do you rate more?
Sachin, Kohli, Gavaskar or Viru?
Gavaskar the was technically the best, if you can play the Windies with no helmet and survive to score like he did, you are technique is pretty much flawless, Viru was the most destructive, 2 hours of him and the game would be out of reach, Tendulkar carried the hopes of all Indians and delivered more often than not and Kohli is the best of his generation and mentally very tough. Out of the 4, it's between Kohli and Tendulkar, and I would just take Tendulkar over Kohli, because Tendulkar coped with immense pressure over 20 years and delivered.
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mcgrath is an anomaly. He was good from 98-2006. His peak was in 03. His absolute best form In all formats.
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McGrath was always, always at his best. There's no period where McGrath was not at his best. The best fast bowler of his time by quite some margin, the absolute best.
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I think it's quite simple really.
There will be only ONE Mcgrath, ONE Warne, and ONE Tendulkar for many cricketing eras that have passed and will come.
There will be many players equal to or slightly better than Inzimam -- aka Sanga - Ponting etc., that will keep coming up.
That sums up the comparison.
Anything else is delusion.
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actually you are right. tenda did play well vs mcgrath. I apologize. He struggled only vs donald.
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Even in women's cricket. Mithali Raj at times has been accused of this.
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Got a 111 in our 92 tour to SA, then a 169 in that famous partnership with Azhar in 96. Donald was at his peak then and if you see the highlights you'll see he received plenty of stick. Some of the times Donald got Sachin out, the catches were phenomenal. Otherwise he got out mostly to Cronje, Villiers, McMillan. His 97 in the 2000 Mumbai test was an ATG knock, all the others struggled and next highest score in the match was 40 something, we lost but you had to see that live to judge the quality.In ODIs as well he would score a dazzling 40 odd and get out to a nothing delivery of Cronje.
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yes. tendu bhai is truly a great. I underestimated how good he was. I just despise him for being selfish as he played for records in the late 90s period.
I got to give him credit for longevity.
Would still pick peak smith and peak kohli over him anyday.
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I have never heard anyone saying that he was selfish in late 90s.
If you don't mind, how old you are and did you watch him in 90s? Watching means not being 9 years old and watching in late 90s and saying that you watched his selfish batting in 90s.
Mcgrath definitely had the better of Sachin - But that says more about Mcgrath than Sachin he got the better of anyone and everyone who came infront of him. Inzi has a point as a lot of lesser players in Indian sides were worried about their places in the team bit like Pakistan players now.
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nah actually he dint. sachin played him well in tests. in odi he owned tenda.
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In ODIs Tendu had those 2 high profile failures against McGrath in 1999 and 2003 WC final. But he dominated him in 1996 WC and that mini-WC in Nairobi. Also the 2001 ODI series when he was severe on McGrath. Not often that he would go at 8 rpo those days but that is exactly what happened at Vizag. ST was dominant in that series scoring at 120 SR and extra aggressive against his great rival. Overall one can say that he was sometimes tentative against bowlers like McGrath, Donald, Saqlain but plenty of time he came out on top.
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A couple of other examples
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Tendulkars Odi record outside Asia was poor in 90's,he improved that record later on.
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And Inzimam of all people should not criticize anyone of being soft. Guy dragged on his career for another World Cup, and was dismal in 2007 World Cup. Going to the ICL and leading a player exodus over there was also not a pretty sight. Say what you like about Sachin he was not grouping whereas Inzi lead a prayer clout. Inzi's legacy is not recognized world wide around, whereas Sachin's record speak for themselves and internet trolls feel good about themselves bringing down his record.
He owned tenda n both formats as much as a bowler can.
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Anything that helps you feel better about yourself.
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no he dint in tests. go look up the records. I hate tenda and I have to admit I was wrong.
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He is not having sleepless nights due to the irrational hatred of Pakistani, by the way why we have this obsession to bring Indian cricketers down, never seen Indians so fixated about us.
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The only time I thought Sachin was a little selfish was when he was batting on 194* in the Multan test and Dravid declared.
Why would it make me feel better about myself? I am not a cricketer who was competing against Sachin. But people should stay with reality What did Sachin do against India in the matches McGrath played? Zero. McGrath won all important battles between they two now dont send me some clips of some matches where he hit him for some runs during a long career there will be some innings where a bowler will go for runs that's definition of bowling but he got him out plenty of times.
I dont know why Sachin fans are so embarrassed to admit this its not that he was the only bowler someone like Anderson totally owned him too.
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This is incorrect - Sachin averaged 36 in the tests against Australia when Mcgrath played. He owned him outright. Sachin averaged low against most class bowlers in his time. Mcgrath - Wasim - Donald combined average of 35. Also I already mentioned Anderson.
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Well let's diagnose a bit deeper here:
The first test match vs Mcgrath, SRT played was in India, when Mcgrath was a nobody bowler in 1995. In that test match Nayan Mongia, yes the guy who can barely hold a bat hit a 150 spanking Mcgrath and co all over the park
). It was a 1 off test match which SRT went without scoring, however India won the test match and also beat Australia with Mcgrath during every ODI in that series that also had South Africa competing.The real competition started when test series of 3 or more were played and when Mcgrath at the time had become an ATG bowler after the 99 WC:
First series in Aus 1999 vs Mcgrath, SRT Avg: 46
Second series in India 2001 vs Mcgrath, SRT avg: 50
1 flop series with multiple test matches:
Third series in India 2004 vs Mcgrath he did not complete the series as he was not fit and injured with tennis elbow, he avgd: 17
SRT has more than proven he was upto the task, when he was fit head to head vs Mcgrath at his best.
Now vs Wasim:
SRT debut series as a 16 year old, 1989, vs Wasim and co: SRT avg 35 (Amazing for a child)
Second series in 1998, SRT avg vs Wasim and co: 42 avg (Again decent, however he should have finished with a 48 avg imo, underachieved)
Third time was not a series, it was a 1 of test match: He got run out with Shoib Akhtar getting in the way physically and avg: 9:00.
Overall Wasim I believe could not get SRT out once in test matches in his entire career, feel free to let me know if I am wrong here. Atleast Mcgrath got him out a few times unlike Wasim.
Donald:
Yeah he underachieved avgd in the late 30's in SA, however his real struggle was facing Cronje and Brian McMillan who constantly got him out when he was set..
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Well let's diagnose a bit deeper here:
The first test match vs Mcgrath, SRT played was in India, when Mcgrath was a nobody bowler in 1995. In that test match Nayan Mongia, yes the guy who can barely hold a bat hit a 150 spanking Mcgrath and co all over the park
The real competition started when test series of 3 or more were played and when Mcgrath at the time had become an ATG bowler after the 99 WC:
First series in Aus 1999 vs Mcgrath, SRT Avg: 46
Second series in India 2001 vs Mcgrath, SRT avg: 50
1 flop series with multiple test matches:
Third series in India 2004 vs Mcgrath he did not complete the series as he was not fit and injured with tennis elbow, he avgd: 17
SRT has more than proven he was upto the task, when he was fit head to head vs Mcgrath at his best.
Now vs Wasim:
SRT debut series as a 16 year old, 1989, vs Wasim and co: SRT avg 35 (Amazing for a child)
Second series in 1998, SRT avg vs Wasim and co: 42 avg (Again decent, however he should have finished with a 48 avg imo, underachieved)
Third time was not a series, it was a 1 of test match: He got run out with Shoib Akhtar getting in the way physically and avg: 9:00.
Overall Wasim I believe could not get SRT out once in test matches in his entire career, feel free to let me know if I am wrong here. Atleast Mcgrath got him out a few times unlike Wasim.
Donald:
Yeah he underachieved avgd in the late 30's in SA, however his real struggle was facing Cronje and Brian McMillan who constantly got him out when he was set..
I can make a similar list of excuses for even Hafeez and why he failed against steyn - The reality is that Sachin was no GOD! and he failed against many world class bowlers. He averaged very low against Pakistan in the period Pakistan had a world class bowling attack - he even couldn't compensate when he was playing against the likes of Sami and Shabir ahmed although he obviously averaged better against them but his average against Pakistan remained low over all.
Over all there is no denying he was a great batsmen but he was not that special against the worlds best at their best.
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Also SRT avg when Steyn played was 56. Steyn is South Africa's greatest fast bowler of all time and also one of the greatest fast bowlers of all time the world has ever seen, period...
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Forget about batting, he must be some sort of a statistical genius in a sense that he averaged more than 50 despite faring poorly against lot of bowlers. I mean do you care to listen to yourself. Sachin was 90's was part of a poor team, and just like Lara, individual genius cannot win you matches. He left a legacy and most of the top players attest to that whose opinion matter unlike some Pakistani opinionated freaks who came up selective bias.
Some fans need to stop being so insecure and stop giving lame excuses - He was found out by many world class bowlers infarct Anderson did to Sachin what steyn did to hafeez.
Excuses dont count specially after a long career is over - its what its his average against the ones mentioned above is way to low and he didnt fare well against them.
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Again my brother why was he able to average in excess of 50 in Test Cricket if so many bowlers got his number. How does it make sense?
Indirect attack at Sachin, Ganguly, Dravid and VVS?
Ganguly, Dravid and VVS wouldn't be where they were if they played outside their natural game.
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so tenda did not failmvs mcgrath. You point has been disproved.
he did fail vs donald. yes in tests. Failure.
he did ok vs wasim. 42 not too bad but for a player of his calibre it's average.
what's his record vs Anderson?
he did fail vs donald. yes in tests. Failure.
he did ok vs wasim. 42 not too bad but for a player of his calibre it's average.
what's his record vs Anderson?
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Hi record against Anderson is not great, I will give that..
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funny how he did well vs mcgrath but not Anderson. Shows you how good Andy is in english conditions.
Again my brother why was he able to average in excess of 50 in Test Cricket if so many bowlers got his number. How does it make sense?
Same way many other managed to average even higher than Sachin despite being bunnies of world class bowlers.
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In 90s with bowlers like,
Wasim, Waqar, Donald, McGrath, Pollock, Murali, Warne, Walsh, Bishop, Saqlain ....
SRT failed big time... Lots of other batsmen did far better than SRT
Wasim, Waqar, Donald, McGrath, Pollock, Murali, Warne, Walsh, Bishop, Saqlain ....
SRT failed big time... Lots of other batsmen did far better than SRT
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