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Indian Test match pitches are the fairest in Asia!

Pakhs said:
You are the biggest proof that there is no cure to hero-worshiping once its established in the head.
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even if india loses the tosses against a full strength Australian side with bradman smith they will still smash them. just like they did with a depleted team in 2017.
 
Mamoon said:
India is the best Test team in the world today by a significant margin. Not a single team can beat them at home but they can beat plenty of teams away. If you want to dispute all of that and bury your head in the sand, it is your prerogative.
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I dont want to dispute anything - but to say they are imperious etc and then say if they win the toss and then say they are only good just because other teams cant doesnt make sense.
 
tyron_woodley said:
even if india loses the tosses against a full strength Australian side with bradman smith they will still smash them. just like they did with a depleted team in 2017.
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India was always good at home nothing new here! away from home they have only won one series in the last 4/5 years that too has an asterisk next to it. This is just a normal Indian side which is prety much same strength since 2002/2003.

Some teams like Pakistan used to give them a game at home condition but Pakistan has regressed since then so I doubt they will beat India now in Asian conditions. Only one Australian side beat them at home and that was the best ever side. England won more recently but that was due to Monty and Swan performing miraculously.
 
Pakhs said:
India was always good at home nothing new here! away from home they have only won one series in the last 4/5 years that too has an asterisk next to it. This is just a normal Indian side which is prety much same strength since 2002/2003.

Some teams like Pakistan used to give them a game at home condition but Pakistan has regressed since then so I doubt they will beat India now in Asian conditions. Only one Australian side beat them at home and that was the best ever side. England won more recently but that was due to Monty and Swan performing miraculously.
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it's very difficult to dominate at home. Not many teams can do it. England have lost to pakistan at home. australia has lost at home several times.

Only india has dominated. New Zealand have done ok.

This indian side is the best indian side in history and they would beat the 2000 era aussie team at home too comfortably.
 
Pakhs said:
I dont want to dispute anything - but to say they are imperious etc and then say if they win the toss and then say they are only good just because other teams cant doesnt make sense.
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It does if you try to understand the point I am making.
 
tyron_woodley said:
it's very difficult to dominate at home. Not many teams can do it. England have lost to pakistan at home. australia has lost at home several times.

Only india has dominated. New Zealand have done ok.

This indian side is the best indian side in history and they would beat the 2000 era aussie team at home too comfortably.
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Really? Most teams dominate at home. That Austrlia side will beat this Indian team hands down - I will give you a measure this Indian side lost 4-1 in England but 2000 Australia side beat England with the same scoreline. The current Indian side is not different to the Indian side of 2003.
 
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Batting averages away from home in the first and second innings. Guess England and NZ also don't provide enough support for bowlers in days 1-4 either..according to Vaughan
 
Pakhs said:
Really? Most teams dominate at home. That Austrlia side will beat this Indian team hands down - I will give you a measure this Indian side lost 4-1 in England but 2000 Australia side beat England with the same scoreline. The current Indian side is not different to the Indian side of 2003.
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nope most teams don't dominate at home.
since 2010 s.africa have lost at home before A few times.
australia have lost at home three times.
englsnd have lost a couple of times.

at india's home? I highly doubt it. india would crush them at home. Most of their overrated players can't play spin. ponting averages 29 or 30 in india.

Away with bumrah and the current bowling attack it will be close. Toss matters.

Hell pakistan of 2004-2007 would win vs that so called GOAT aussie team at home. Away pakistam struggle cause they can't play bounce. They won't win a game there. 0 wins in what? 8 matches.
 
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There's no denying that toss plays a big factor in the subcontinent test matches. I mean unless you're an international player yourself, coach or someone who's been around the circuit, you won't know more than current and ex cricketers.

Maharaj said that the toss is a large factor, even though it's obvious at this point; however, I don't think the result would have been any different had India bowled first given the disparity between the sides --albeit the margin would have been smaller.
 
Seamers running through South Africa now. We are so magnanimous that we provide pitches which good fast bowlers can exploit. Unfortunately most touring teams have no idea how to use them. You'll never see this in , say, Abu Dhabi where an entire day goes by and the score is 236/2. Forget Asia, these are probably the fairest pitches in the world . Others should follow our example, really.
 
Pakhs said:
Really? Most teams dominate at home. That Austrlia side will beat this Indian team hands down - I will give you a measure this Indian side lost 4-1 in England but 2000 Australia side beat England with the same scoreline. The current Indian side is not different to the Indian side of 2003.
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So you think Indian fast bowling of 2003 was same as 2019? Weird
 
tyron_woodley said:
if indian pacers are getting wickets?? lol. best bowling attack in the world and you don't think they can get wickets??
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So what I said wrong,They are getting wickets and SA attack can not. By the way Indian pace attack is behind Australia.
 
DRsohail said:
So what I said wrong,They are getting wickets and SA attack can not. By the way Indian pace attack is behind Australia.
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no they aren't. indian attack is better in every facet of bowling. Australia has slightly better depth but india have bhuvi waiting as well. saini is no slouch. indian attack wrecked the so called best aussie attack in their own country.

pakistan my second favourite team will wreck them soon in australia as well. mark my words. Shaheen afridi is going to be as good as wasim.
 
So a flattie where India scored 600+ with 4 bats, SA is struggling to make even 200!
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">With the series gone,the sad part of all this is that you couldn’t have asked for better conditions in India.only a bit of spin and you got good pace and bounce...wonder what feedback we’ll get. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/sscricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#sscricket</a></p>— Herschelle Gibbs (@hershybru) <a href="https://twitter.com/hershybru/status/1183317522747187200?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 13, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">With the series gone,the sad part of all this is that you couldn’t have asked for better conditions in India.only a bit of spin and you got good pace and bounce...wonder what feedback we’ll get. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/sscricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#sscricket</a></p>— Herschelle Gibbs (@hershybru) <a href="https://twitter.com/hershybru/status/1183317522747187200?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 13, 2019</a></blockquote>
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difference is the bowling attack. INDIA HAS THE BEST bowling attack in the world including depth and unfortunately the pace attack is far superior to s.africa's even with their kolpak players who quit. Abbott got spanked in india back in 2015 as well. Duane is a one trick pony. So no difference really.
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">With the series gone,the sad part of all this is that you couldn’t have asked for better conditions in India.only a bit of spin and you got good pace and bounce...wonder what feedback we’ll get. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/sscricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#sscricket</a></p>— Herschelle Gibbs (@hershybru) <a href="https://twitter.com/hershybru/status/1183317522747187200?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 13, 2019</a></blockquote>
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They prepared for spinners forgot about the pacers
 
Abdullah719 said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Test Match Cricket pitches in India are boring ... The first 3/4 days the contest is far too in favour of the Bat ... needs more action for the bowler ... My thought of the day ... <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/INDvSA?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#INDvSA</a></p>— Michael Vaughan (@MichaelVaughan) <a href="https://twitter.com/MichaelVaughan/status/1182547469214855168?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 11, 2019</a></blockquote>
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4 days of contest. Indian bowling attack - 20 wickets at 23, SA - 5 wickets at 120. But yeah its the goddamn pitches :ssmith
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Test Match Cricket pitches in India are boring ... The first 3/4 days the contest is far too in favour of the Bat ... needs more action for the bowler ... My thought of the day ... <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/INDvSA?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#INDvSA</a></p>— Michael Vaughan (@MichaelVaughan) <a href="https://twitter.com/MichaelVaughan/status/1182547469214855168?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 11, 2019</a></blockquote>
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why is this fodder trash allowed to comment. What's your average away from home again?? what's you average in india?
 
Abdullah719 said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">With the series gone,the sad part of all this is that you couldn’t have asked for better conditions in India.only a bit of spin and you got good pace and bounce...wonder what feedback we’ll get. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/sscricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#sscricket</a></p>— Herschelle Gibbs (@hershybru) <a href="https://twitter.com/hershybru/status/1183317522747187200?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 13, 2019</a></blockquote>
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What does Gibbs know about cricket? Keyboard warriors and trolls know better.
 
tyron_woodley said:
difference is the bowling attack. INDIA HAS THE BEST bowling attack in the world including depth and unfortunately the pace attack is far superior to s.africa's even with their kolpak players who quit. Abbott got spanked in india back in 2015 as well. Duane is a one trick pony. So no difference really.
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Abbott got a 5 wicket haul in that series. On rank turners with zero assistance to seamers
Bowlers like de Lange, harmer would have helped south Africa alot more.


But you are right. Even with all kolpak players, india would still sweep them. India is too difficult to beat in india
 
sindhiboy said:
Abbott got a 5 wicket haul in that series. On rank turners with zero assistance to seamers
Bowlers like de Lange, harmer would have helped south Africa alot more.


But you are right. Even with all kolpak players, india would still sweep them. India is too difficult to beat in india
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getting a 5 wicket haul in a match that was already lost makes no difference really. he got smashed around quite a few times. S.africa were just toothless and were extremely lucky to get away with a 3 0 drubbing. Should have been 4 if not for rain that saved their sorry butts.
 
Our fans can’t complain about pitches. UAE pitches are the worst in the world. Batters can’t play strokes on them, there is no bounce or seam for pacers, there is no spin for spinners. On day 4/5 the pitches become low and slow which brings them into it.

They are truly disgraceful pitches. Indian pitches at least have decent bounce in them and spinners will get something from the pitch later in the game.
 
Hasan123 said:
Our fans can’t complain about pitches. UAE pitches are the worst in the world. Batters can’t play strokes on them, there is no bounce or seam for pacers, there is no spin for spinners. On day 4/5 the pitches become low and slow which brings them into it.

They are truly disgraceful pitches. Indian pitches at least have decent bounce in them and spinners will get something from the pitch later in the game.
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no need to change pakistan pitches. Nothing wrong with creating pitches that suit Pakistan's bowling attack and batting ability. Although I was shocked when n.zealand upset them.
 
tyron_woodley said:
nope most teams don't dominate at home.
since 2010 s.africa have lost at home before A few times.
australia have lost at home three times.
englsnd have lost a couple of times.

at india's home? I highly doubt it. india would crush them at home. Most of their overrated players can't play spin. ponting averages 29 or 30 in india.

Away with bumrah and the current bowling attack it will be close. Toss matters.

Hell pakistan of 2004-2007 would win vs that so called GOAT aussie team at home. Away pakistam struggle cause they can't play bounce. They won't win a game there. 0 wins in what? 8 matches.
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I think you have short memory - That Australia team had a gun bowling lineup who could take wickets against any team. Bumrah type of bowlers almost all teams were carrying those days but recently Bumrah is big because suddenly quality bowlers have dried up and he is only a handful of quality bowlers around at this moment in time.

Forget Pakistan they are not strong enough to be in a discussion right now. India in 2003 were just as strong they drew a series in Australia which I rate higher than recent win against well a team that would be classed as grade side compare to that Australia side even with Mcgrath injured.
 
Pakhs said:
I think you have short memory - That Australia team had a gun bowling lineup who could take wickets against any team. Bumrah type of bowlers almost all teams were carrying those days but recently Bumrah is big because suddenly quality bowlers have dried up and he is only a handful of quality bowlers around at this moment in time.

Forget Pakistan they are not strong enough to be in a discussion right now. India in 2003 were just as strong they drew a series in Australia which I rate higher than recent win against well a team that would be classed as grade side compare to that Australia side even with Mcgrath injured.
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This is the most bowling friendly era since 1950s, I am not sure if you're up to date with the stats.
 
Indiafan said:
So you think Indian fast bowling of 2003 was same as 2019? Weird
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No bowling is better but batting is much much weaker. Spin bowling is same. The net result is almost the same. I would argue that India back in those days were carrying 3 Kholis in test matches minimum.

They also achieved more than this Indian team in my opinion. They went to 2003 WC final and only lost to ATG team - drew a test series against an ATG team away beat England 1-0 in 2006/7, drew series in SA etc. People just have short memories maybe this team looks better because overall quality of other teams are going down and India has emerged as only real super power in cricket financially etc.
 
Joseph Gomes said:
This is the most bowling friendly era since 1950s, I am not sure if you're up to date with the stats.
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Forget stats if bowlers like Rabada is so hyped up you know the quality has gone down. Almost all teams had gun bowling lineup at the turn of the century.
 
Pakhs said:
Forget stats if bowlers like Rabada is so hyped up you know the quality has gone down. Almost all teams had gun bowling lineup at the turn of the century.
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Ah yes, that's why bowling average was much higher. You do realize how bowling average works right?
 
tyron_woodley said:
what would suit pakistan then?
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A pitch where batters can play strokes and comes onto the bat. For the bowlers it would be about using reverse swing, than a spinner having something later on in the game.

The perfect example for this is The Oval pitch.
 
Pakhs said:
I think you have short memory - That Australia team had a gun bowling lineup who could take wickets against any team. Bumrah type of bowlers almost all teams were carrying those days but recently Bumrah is big because suddenly quality bowlers have dried up and he is only a handful of quality bowlers around at this moment in time.

Forget Pakistan they are not strong enough to be in a discussion right now. India in 2003 were just as strong they drew a series in Australia which I rate higher than recent win against well a team that would be classed as grade side compare to that Australia side even with Mcgrath injured.
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bowlers are now fitter stronger faster than ever before. They also play in a batting pitches majority of the time. only 2 teams had bumrah type bowlers. Pakistan under misbah would beat that aussie team at home. for sure they would. This indian team would whitewash them. ponting averages under 30 in india and that was against a weaker indian bowling side. This indian team right now has one of the best bowling attacks in the world.

Remember the workload is much higher now. t20 and ipl cpl big bash etc. So players bowling averages might dip as they play far too many games. Doesn't mean they lack quality compared to early 2000.
 
Pakhs said:
No bowling is better but batting is much much weaker. Spin bowling is same. The net result is almost the same. I would argue that India back in those days were carrying 3 Kholis in test matches minimum.

They also achieved more than this Indian team in my opinion. They went to 2003 WC final and only lost to ATG team - drew a test series against an ATG team away beat England 1-0 in 2006/7, drew series in SA etc. People just have short memories maybe this team looks better because overall quality of other teams are going down and India has emerged as only real super power in cricket financially etc.
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or maybe this indian team is just that good at home which makes other formidable teams look bad. It's really not easy to dominate at home like they have.

that 2003 indian team wasn't as dominant as the current indian side at home. Not even close.
 
I think Indian pitches have gotten better. I see nothing wrong with their pitches. Home sides should always produce pitches that assist them. Nothing wrong with that.
 
Joseph Gomes said:
Ah yes, that's why bowling average was much higher. You do realize how bowling average works right?
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tyron_woodley said:
bowlers are now fitter stronger faster than ever before. They also play in a batting pitches majority of the time. only 2 teams had bumrah type bowlers. Pakistan under misbah would beat that aussie team at home. for sure they would. This indian team would whitewash them. ponting averages under 30 in india and that was against a weaker indian bowling side. This indian team right now has one of the best bowling attacks in the world.

Remember the workload is much higher now. t20 and ipl cpl big bash etc. So players bowling averages might dip as they play far too many games. Doesn't mean they lack quality compared to early 2000.
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tyron_woodley said:
or maybe this indian team is just that good at home which makes other formidable teams look bad. It's really not easy to dominate at home like they have.

that 2003 indian team wasn't as dominant as the current indian side at home. Not even close.
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Sorry but every team had a bowler like Bumrah at-least one. Australia were carrying a few on the bench, SA not sure if he will get into the side ahead of Pollock co. WI still had Ambrose and Walsh although just at the back end. Pakistan still had Wasim and Waqar and also akthar etc in the pipeline.

India themselves had loads of spinners to dominate at home. And this team has not won nothing of note away either - atleast that side drew in Australia and SA? 2-1 against Australia without smith and warner? Its a good achievement for the records but not if we are comparing two teams.

The only teams that beat India at home those days were better than any team playing now. Australia was strongest ever and they beat India at home only once.. and thats it nobody else won.

Maybe you guys are too young to appreciate cricket back in 90s or early 200s.
 
Pakhs said:
Pakistan have not played in Pakistan for over 10 years and when they did they had a better record than all teams at home.. Its expected when they get back to home it will take sometime to establish that record again.

On topic SA is no match to India at home whatever the pitch.
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I think it's [MENTION=97523]Buffet[/MENTION] who pointed out that Pak has better W/L ratio in UAE than in Pakistan.. (it was before Pak start to loss in UAE)
 
Pakhs said:
Sorry but every team had a bowler like Bumrah at-least one. Australia were carrying a few on the bench, SA not sure if he will get into the side ahead of Pollock co. WI still had Ambrose and Walsh although just at the back end. Pakistan still had Wasim and Waqar and also akthar etc in the pipeline.

India themselves had loads of spinners to dominate at home. And this team has not won nothing of note away either - atleast that side drew in Australia and SA? 2-1 against Australia without smith and warner? Its a good achievement for the records but not if we are comparing two teams.

The only teams that beat India at home those days were better than any team playing now. Australia was strongest ever and they beat India at home only once.. and thats it nobody else won.

Maybe you guys are too young to appreciate cricket back in 90s or early 200s.
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They drew with s.africa in 2008 though. lost once to Aus albeit with a depleted team.

Still I back the current team to smash them all at home. 29 out of 32 is an insane record.

I don't think any team beats this indian side at home. They will challenge away in England and s.africa next time. mark my words. With the current bowling attack anything is possible.

Walsh himself said bumrah is a once in a lifetime type bowler. I doubt every team had a bowler as good as him. Bond was dilapidated and decrepit after like 15 games.

mcgrath was great.
wasim and waqar yes.

that's it. But india don't just rely only on one bowler nowm they have 5 wicket taking options. they hunt in packs. As a unit they are very balanced.
 
Smbhayi said:
I think it's [MENTION=97523]Buffet[/MENTION] who pointed out that Pak has better W/L ratio in UAE than in Pakistan.. (it was before Pak start to loss in UAE)
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UAE sample size was too small and yes we had a better win-loss ratio because we didnt actually lose any series before the wheels came off. But overall Pakistan had over 78% WIN-Loss ratio at home better than anyone else maybe better now by other sides but at the time Pakistan stopped playing at home that was the best.
 
tyron_woodley said:
They drew with s.africa in 2008 though. lost once to Aus albeit with a depleted team.

Still I back the current team to smash them all at home. 29 out of 32 is an insane record.

I don't think any team beats this indian side at home. They will challenge away in England and s.africa next time. mark my words. With the current bowling attack anything is possible.

Walsh himself said bumrah is a once in a lifetime type bowler. I doubt every team had a bowler as good as him. Bond was dilapidated and decrepit after like 15 games.

mcgrath was great.
wasim and waqar yes.

that's it. But india don't just rely only on one bowler nowm they have 5 wicket taking options. they hunt in packs. As a unit they are very balanced.
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Bumrah is only starting out his career and he will have his ups and downs like all bowlers - Now a days quality is not as great collectively. Now a days India is dominating at home against weaker teams but they used to dominate even when other teams were stronger than they are now. Its only media hype that makes people think the current lot are better than 2003 side but as a neutral that side achieved more.

There was a transition period where India was making too many flat wickets resulting in many draws and that SA series was around that time. Then Dhoni started asking for wickets to turn more and it changed. But todays SA team would still lose to India even on those flat Tracks.
 
Pakistan had unbeaten run from late 2011 to mid 2017 in UAE.

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[tr][td]Sri Lanka [/td][td]3 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]Oct-11 [/td][td]Pakistan [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]England [/td][td]3 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]Jan-12 [/td][td]Pakistan [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]South Africa [/td][td]2 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]Oct-13 [/td][td]drawn [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Sri Lanka [/td][td]3 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]Dec-13 [/td][td]drawn [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Australia [/td][td]2 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]Oct-14 [/td][td]Pakistan [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]New Zealand [/td][td]3 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]Nov-14 [/td][td]drawn [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]England [/td][td]3 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]Oct-15 [/td][td]Pakistan [/td][/tr]
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The top bowlers for Pakistan during that time were Ajmal and Yasir Shah.
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[tr][td]Saeed Ajmal [/td][td]2011-2014 [/td][td]11 [/td][td]64 [/td][td]24.62 [/td][td]2.37 [/td][td]62.2 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Yasir Shah [/td][td]2014-2016 [/td][td]10 [/td][td]63 [/td][td]25.34 [/td][td]2.98 [/td][td]50.9 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Zulfiqar Babar [/td][td]2013-2016 [/td][td]12 [/td][td]45 [/td][td]37.46 [/td][td]2.8 [/td][td]80.1 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Junaid Khan [/td][td]2011-2014 [/td][td]9 [/td][td]30 [/td][td]32.26 [/td][td]2.85 [/td][td]67.8 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Abdur Rehman [/td][td]2011-2014 [/td][td]6 [/td][td]29 [/td][td]24.86 [/td][td]2.24 [/td][td]66.5 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Rahat Ali [/td][td]2013-2016 [/td][td]10 [/td][td]25 [/td][td]39.04 [/td][td]2.81 [/td][td]83.1 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Umar Gul [/td][td]2011-2012 [/td][td]6 [/td][td]25 [/td][td]23.32 [/td][td]3.09 [/td][td]45.2 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Wahab Riaz [/td][td]2015-2016 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]18 [/td][td]32.94 [/td][td]3.16 [/td][td]62.3 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Mohammad Hafeez [/td][td]2011-2015 [/td][td]15 [/td][td]16 [/td][td]36.81 [/td][td]2.53 [/td][td]87 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
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Pakhs said:
Bumrah is only starting out his career and he will have his ups and downs like all bowlers - Now a days quality is not as great collectively. Now a days India is dominating at home against weaker teams but they used to dominate even when other teams were stronger than they are now. Its only media hype that makes people think the current lot are better than 2003 side but as a neutral that side achieved more.

There was a transition period where India was making too many flat wickets resulting in many draws and that SA series was around that time. Then Dhoni started asking for wickets to turn more and it changed. But todays SA team would still lose to India even on those flat Tracks.
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current lot is better bro. Way more balanced and is much fitter and durable than ever before. They would beat the 2003 GOAT teams due to superior fitness alone. That's the difference. Talent wise maybe the 2003 was better in batting but that's all it was. I have never seen such a ruthless team at home in my lifetime.

They would kill any of those GOAT sides at home. Away is the question mark and they need to prove that by winning in england and drawing away to Smith's side. Yes they have beaten the Aussies once but I think people would appreciate it more if smith had plate obviously.

When they achieve these years I think there will be no question mark over their greatness. Right now I would put them at number 4 or 3 overall and number 1 for GOAT home side of all time category.
 
tyron_woodley said:
current lot is better bro. Way more balanced and is much fitter and durable than ever before. They would beat the 2003 GOAT teams due to superior fitness alone. That's the difference. Talent wise maybe the 2003 was better in batting but that's all it was. I have never seen such a ruthless team at home in my lifetime.

They would kill any of those GOAT sides at home. Away is the question mark and they need to prove that by winning in england and drawing away to Smith's side. Yes they have beaten the Aussies once but I think people would appreciate it more if smith had plate obviously.

When they achieve these years I think there will be no question mark over their greatness. Right now I would put them at number 4 or 3 overall and number 1 for GOAT home side of all time category.
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I think its your own opinion which is fair enough - You are either underestimating 2003 team or overestimating current team. But all performance criteria point to 2003 team being better.

2003 team went to the final of ICC tournament - current team lost to New Zealand in Semi who were lucky to qualify to Semi had same point as Pakistan and actually lost to Pakistan and all teams finished higher than them.

Lost in SA when 2003 team drew - they also won against England in 2006 but this team lost 4-1. Both teams won everything at home expect one series against GOAT Australia.
 
Pakhs said:
I think its your own opinion which is fair enough - You are either underestimating 2003 team or overestimating current team. But all performance criteria point to 2003 team being better.

2003 team went to the final of ICC tournament - current team lost to New Zealand in Semi who were lucky to qualify to Semi had same point as Pakistan and actually lost to Pakistan and all teams finished higher than them.

Lost in SA when 2003 team drew - they also won against England in 2006 but this team lost 4-1. Both teams won everything at home expect one series against GOAT Australia.
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Well this indian side is yet to lose at home. 2003 indian side drew a couple of times to s.africa. lost to AUS. This team would never lose at home to anyone unless kohli and the pace bowlers are declining now which isn't to be the case anytime soon.

This indian side plays far more cricket so it's expected to see some poor results. T20 is taking a toll. Ipl in particular. 2004-2010 was just beginning phase of t20 so they obviously players from that era would have played less cricket overall.

New zeland beat india in a 2day game that was rained out on day 1. Yes at the end result matters but india were also.missing their stat batsman dhawan.

2003 team never had a winning streak at home like the current indian side. Never ever had bowlers of this calibre. World class bowling attack was the missing piece to that star studded batting lineup. This current side is far more balanced and well rounded. Not to mention superior fitness. That alone would be the deciding factor.
 
We wanted to take the pitch out of equation, reveals Ravi Shastri

Ravi Shastri, the head coach of India, was full of praise of his team after the Virat Kohli-led team whitewashed the three-match series against South Africa for the first time ever, after an emphatic 202 run and an innings-win in the third and final Test in Ranchi on Tuesday.

India wrapped up the match in the space of just 12 balls with debutant Shahbaz Nadeem finishing the match by setting himself up for a hattrick for his next match. He scalped the wickets of Theunis de Bruyn and Lungi Ngidi in two consecutive balls at his home ground JSCA International Stadium Complex.

“It is a team effort. Normally, in India, you have two players hogging the limelight. But in this series, everyone chipped in. That is what you want,” said Shastri ecstatically, speaking after the game.

After lauding the collective effort of his team, he pointed out what their gameplan was going to be — to take 20 wickets no matter what the pitch is like.

“We had a wish that we could take the pitch out of the equation. We always wanted to take 20 wickets irrespective of where we were playing. Our batting is pretty much like a Ferrari taking off. We are just focused on taking 20 wickets,” continued the 57-year-old.

Shastri, a fellow Mumbaikar, lauded Ajinkya Rahane and Rohit Sharma as well for their contribution with the bat and according to him, the third Test centurion was going nowhere and the Man of the Series was the find for him at the top of the order.

“Ajinkya Rahane was always there. He just needed to rediscover himself. When you need to open in Tests, you might get out in the first 10 balls. But Rohit did well to hang in there for the first two hours. And things changed after lunch for him to take advantage of that. The job satisfaction that an opener gets is wonderful.”

Finishing off, the head coach appreciated the performance of the 30-year-old Shahbaz Nadeem, who bagged four wickets in his Test debut after taking 410 wickets in 110 first-class matches.

“Extremely impressed with Nadeem. He comes over the top and has a great wrist position. The guy has put in the yards at the domestic level and am glad he finally had his chance at his home ground. He had no nerves and bowled three maidens on the trot,” Shastri concluded.
https://indianexpress.com/article/s...ravi-shastri-pitch-equation-comments-6081597/
 
Faf said that the pitches were good sporting pitches. When the opposition captain is saying that, it means a lot.
 
tyron_woodley said:
Well this indian side is yet to lose at home. 2003 indian side drew a couple of times to s.africa. lost to AUS. This team would never lose at home to anyone unless kohli and the pace bowlers are declining now which isn't to be the case anytime soon.

This indian side plays far more cricket so it's expected to see some poor results. T20 is taking a toll. Ipl in particular. 2004-2010 was just beginning phase of t20 so they obviously players from that era would have played less cricket overall.

New zeland beat india in a 2day game that was rained out on day 1. Yes at the end result matters but india were also.missing their stat batsman dhawan.

2003 team never had a winning streak at home like the current indian side. Never ever had bowlers of this calibre. World class bowling attack was the missing piece to that star studded batting lineup. This current side is far more balanced and well rounded. Not to mention superior fitness. That alone would be the deciding factor.
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Only w.r.t. Fast Bowlers which definitely is a great progress made by the team and captain. However I won't rate Ashwin /Jadeja over Kimble/Harbjajan. The difference between the two pairs are more in style as opposed to output.

We also need to understand the quality of opposition faced by current team is much less. Not their fault though, but 2000 era team had faced much tougher opposition (Aus/SA/Pak) as opposed to the current team and was extremely competitive in that decade.
 
RajBan said:
Only w.r.t. Fast Bowlers which definitely is a great progress made by the team and captain. However I won't rate Ashwin /Jadeja over Kimble/Harbjajan. The difference between the two pairs are more in style as opposed to output.

We also need to understand the quality of opposition faced by current team is much less. Not their fault though, but 2000 era team had faced much tougher opposition (Aus/SA/Pak) as opposed to the current team and was extremely competitive in that decade.
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no. spinners right now are the best India's ever had. Also kohli and pujara would start in that 2003 indian side as well. that's 7 players from current era.

India makes other teams look weak. No team is weak especially when the fitness standards are at the highest level at present. This indian side would still all those great teams at home and remain competitive away due to the strength of the bowling. Also t20 wasn't as popular back then as it was still in a growing phase.
 
Shami's balls quickened off the pitch. For a moment i was wonder if we were playing at Kingsmead or Ranchi. Ball was just flying through after pitching. I think it is because it is just shami. Not sure Ishant could have done the same. Either way pitch was not a slow low turner by any stretch of the imagination. It had good carry.
 
I don't think Indian pitches are all that fairer. Its a bit weird compared to the other pitches in the world. The pitches are sporting no doubt but not fairer.

They become flat when Indian batsmen bat and turn into rank turners or pace friendly wickets when they bowl.
 
They are the fairest, at least from the last 5 years. batters, pacers, spinners are all very much in the game.

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TV viewing experience of test matches in india is destroyed by poor aesthetics of stadiums, poor air quality and poor commentary.
 
Front Foot Pull said:
They are the fairest, at least from the last 5 years. batters, pacers, spinners are all very much in the game.
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That's what you would want to see in any venue. Once in while having one sided pitch is fine.
 
Amazing pitches for this series. Had something for quality quicks like Bumrah , quality spinners like Kuldeep and for all the batsmen as well.

Only the Aussies have consistently produced pitches that are on par or better.

Kudos to all the curators of Hyd., Vizag., Rajkot, Ranchi and Dharamshala.

They should be loaned out to PAK and BD so that they can improve those disgusting wickets.
 
Credit to curators for having fantastic pitches.

Pacers, spinners and bastmen - All had impact in this series. They had to bowl and bat well. No roads and no minefields.
 
They are fair as long as they are winning.

If they lose 1 or 2 games, they resort to pitch doctoring (dust bowl pitches).
 
sweep_shot said:
They are fair as long as they are winning.

If they lose 1 or 2 games, they resort to pitch doctoring (dust bowl pitches).
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We havent lost 2 Test matches in a series in 11 years. We lost the first Test in this series and the pitches actually got better.
 
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