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If you have been fortunate to have experience with people from both India and Pakistan, please describe your perception (before your encounter) vs reality.

Also describe in what capacity have you experienced the people whether it is an Ex-Pat setting (overseas) or their native lands.​
 
I grew up with many desis (Pakistanis, Indians, Sri Lankans, Bangladeshis, Afghans, and also 1 Nepalese; never found anyone from Maldives or Bhutan; LOL).

Based on my real life experience, Indians do a lot of sweet talking but they tend to be more selfish and a percentage of them are very petty/toxic. They are even more toxic online.

Pakistanis I met in real life were all religious or semi-religious. I didn't meet any atheist Pakistani in real life. First Pakistani atheists I met were on PP forum. LOL.
 
sweep_shot said:
I grew up with many desis (Pakistanis, Indians, Sri Lankans, Bangladeshis, Afghans, and also 1 Nepalese; never found anyone from Maldives or Bhutan; LOL).

Based on my real life experience, Indians do a lot of sweet talking but they tend to be more selfish and a percentage of them are very petty/toxic. They are even more toxic online.

Pakistanis I met in real life were all religious or semi-religious. I didn't meet any atheist Pakistani in real life. First Pakistani atheists I met were on PP forum. LOL.
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I left Bangladesh and migrated to Canada in 2005. Before 2005, I never met any Pakistani or Indian. After coming to Canada, I grew up with mostly desis (along with a handful of non-desis).

My perception regarding Pakistanis before 2005 was that Pakistanis were all good Muslims. After coming to Canada, that perception matched reality about 70%. A handful of Pakistanis were doing bad things like having physical relations with girlfriends, drinking alcohol etc. A few were very rude. But, 90% of Pakistanis I met in real life were very friendly and helpful. Most of my high school friends were Pakistanis. I had more Pakistani friends than Bangladeshi friends in Canada.

My perception regarding Indians before 2005 was that they were like us Bangladeshis. After coming to Canada, I found out they were kind of different. For example, they love to stick together and defend each other. Bangladeshis fight among each other more; LOL. So many groupings in Bangladeshi communities. Unity is missing.
 
sweep_shot said:
My perception regarding Pakistanis before 2005 was that Pakistanis were all good Muslims. After coming to Canada, that perception matched reality about 70%. A handful of Pakistanis were doing bad things like having physical relations with girlfriends, drinking alcohol etc. A few were very rude.
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How dare they. Off with their heads!
 
sweep_shot said:
I grew up with many desis (Pakistanis, Indians, Sri Lankans, Bangladeshis, Afghans, and also 1 Nepalese; never found anyone from Maldives or Bhutan; LOL).

Based on my real life experience, Indians do a lot of sweet talking but they tend to be more selfish and a percentage of them are very petty/toxic. They are even more toxic online.

Pakistanis I met in real life were all religious or semi-religious. I didn't meet any atheist Pakistani in real life. First Pakistani atheists I met were on PP forum. LOL.
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Atheist Pakistanis tend to be more online because it gives them anonymity and they can voice their convictions with more confidence. I think that is fair enough.

But there is also a few on video social media platforms who use atheism to generate money and you can tell this because all their content is exclusively against Muslims because they know controversy will generate more clicks.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Atheist Pakistanis tend to be more online because it gives them anonymity and they can voice their convictions with more confidence. I think that is fair enough.

But there is also a few on video social media platforms who use atheism to generate money and you can tell this because all their content is exclusively against Muslims because they know controversy will generate more clicks.
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I see. Makes sense.
 
Among Pakistanis I have interacted came across 3 types .

I have good friends. Get along very well at a family level as well, whom I can have a proper conversation with or a good enough relation to help each other out when required.

I have acquaintances with whom I have a professional- casual Hi-hello camaraderie. Nothing more.

Then there also some people who are irritating, annoying, toxic etc. probably nothing to do with them being Pakistani. You see such d-bags everywhere.

Basically nothing special. Just like every other human/community.
 
Interacted with Indians all over the world.

No major issues with them. Lots in common and often easier to socialise because we are (usually) more conservative and have similar family values to western origin people.

As I have said before on PP most of the Indians I work with are a real pleasure to work alongside, they give 110%.

Have had some debates but nothing too lively.

In the immediate aftermath of the failed Operation Sindoor some have gone cold. I had a good friend from Banglore, one of the brightest people I've ever met, who was very chilled but became a radical after the failed Operation. We haven't interacted much since then.

We also had a large cricket discussion group which had many Bangladeshi, Pakistani and Indians on Whatsapp, all former colleagues or friends of friends but nobody spoke in it since India was defeated.

During the conflict we exchanged pleasantries, "hope you are ok bro" , "bloody politicians" etc, I even said it too but deep down didn't mean it.

However after India asked for ceasefire I think the Indians got embarrassed so it's dead now.

It's a shame. I hope we can revive it.
 
I've gotten along fine with Pakistanis though to be honest, I've only known a couple well and both of them are expatriates in the States. I think I can call one a close friend and we've been able to have pretty frank conversations about our countries, atheism/religion etc. We disagree on plenty - she's gotten increasingly conservative, wears the hijab etc. but overall still able to have reasonable discussions. Gives me a nice perspective.
 
IronShield said:
Thats the trouble with living in a delusional bubble. When it bursts, the cope is hard.
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In this case I believe it was the opposite and not delusion.

He was a mild mannered man always looking to build bridges. One of the we are one country type of people. Pakistani are his Bhai, from what I know he was gently made fun of for being a Pakistani sympathiser.

After Pahalgam and the subsequent blame on Pakistan perhaps something changed him? Human beings are complex and can be moved in different ways.
 
As long as they're not far right radicalized and prone to generalizing entire groups, I've never had any issue with either Pakistanis or Indians.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
In this case I believe it was the opposite and not delusion.

He was a mild mannered man always looking to build bridges. One of the we are one country type of people. Pakistani are his Bhai, from what I know he was gently made fun of for being a Pakistani sympathiser.

After Pahalgam and the subsequent blame on Pakistan perhaps something changed him? Human beings are complex and can be moved in different ways.
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The delusion was that India is strong and Pakistan very weak militarily.... But reality turned out to be very different. So much so that if Pakistan so wanted, they could have destroyed at will in India when Indians had to ground their airforce and s400 was knocked out. Sometimes the psychological blow is worse and toughest to overcome. Look at Modi, conflating cricket match win to military fights... you can tell they are struggling to overcome that psychological blow. Even on his deathbed, Modi will be uttering .... "sindoor, sindoor".
 
Perception: Muslims of Pakistan are religious and hardcore Islamic.

Reality:

I don't expect people to believe this as it is just my own experience from in their own lands and overseas. In my limited experience, Muslims of India are actually more outwardly Islamically practicing when taken overall.

This is "physical outward" Islam and Islamic practices (praying etc) but its a whole different topic when it comes to ideological thinking and mindset.


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Perception: People of Pakistan are intolerant.

Reality:

A segment of Pakistani population specially high ranking civilian and military have not a lot to do with Islam, some pray and many don't even pray and they tend to be liberal/secular in your views. When you interact with the people of Pakistan (online), it is generally this group because they can converse and communicate in English.

Overwhelming majority of "ordinary people of Pakistan" are conservative and love Islam.

Both groups and almost all of people of Pakistan (inside and outside of Pakistan) are extremely friendly, cordial and go out of their way to help others and they are not narrow minded, bigoted or intolerant at all.​
 
I have met Pakistani businessmen, shop owners, students, cab drivers, and hotel staff on many occasions and never faced any issues. In fact, I often received a helping hand from them.

It turns out that if you don’t go around disrespecting other people’s faith or nationality, most will respond with kindness. Everyone is already dealing with enough in life and has little time or energy for the kind of ugly arguments that dominate the internet.

People from our part of the world are generally generous and helpful. Without singling out any one nationality, I can say the warmth and selfless generosity I have experienced from both Pakistanis and Indians abroad is unmatched compared to most others on average.
 
LordJames said:
Perception: People of Pakistan are intolerant.

Reality:

A segment of Pakistani population specially high ranking civilian and military have not a lot to do with Islam, some pray and many don't even pray and they tend to be liberal/secular in your views. When you interact with the people of Pakistan (online), it is generally this group because they can converse and communicate in English.

Overwhelming majority of "ordinary people of Pakistan" are conservative and love Islam.

Both groups and almost all of people of Pakistan (inside and outside of Pakistan) are extremely friendly, cordial and go out of their way to help others and they are not narrow minded, bigoted or intolerant at all.​
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It seems like liberals/seculars cause most of the issues in both Pakistan and Bangladesh.

Pakistanis who hate Bangladesh tend to be seculars/liberals. Similarly, Bangladeshis who Pakistan tend to be seculars/liberals.

Religious Pakistanis do not hate Bangladesh and religious Bangladeshis do not hate Pakistan.

When it comes to religion, national borders are irrelevant.
 
LordJames said:
Perception: Muslims of Pakistan are religious and hardcore Islamic.

Reality:

I don't expect people to believe this as it is just my own experience from in their own lands and overseas. In my limited experience, Muslims of India are actually more outwardly Islamically practicing when taken overall.

This is "physical outward" Islam and Islamic practices (praying etc) but its a whole different topic when it comes to ideological thinking and mindset.


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From the subcontinent I have seen that our brothers from Bangladesh are the most that are on their deen, outwardly and inwardly.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
From the subcontinent I have seen that our brothers from Bangladesh are the most that are on their deen, outwardly and inwardly.
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I have never been to Bangladesh so unable to observe them in their native land but as diaspora, Indian Muslims in my limited experience are still more Islamically inclined, particularly Gujarati Indian Muslims as compared to Bangladeshi Muslims.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
From the subcontinent I have seen that our brothers from Bangladesh are the most that are on their deen, outwardly and inwardly.
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Most of Bangladesh is conservative and religious. Rural regions (most of Bangladesh) are very conservative.

Dhaka has both liberals and religious folks. It is Bangladesh's equivalent of Islamabad. Lots of cringy liberals in Dhaka sadly.

My father's side is super-religious. I never saw them miss any salah. I never saw my dad miss any salah.

My mother's side is complete opposite. Most don't pray and/or are far from deen. 2-3 have probably left Islam. I don't talk to them much. I find them cringy.
 
Reality: From observation in the West

And I have said this before...

Pakistani Muslims in my limited experience and exposure are by far the most politically active, most generous, most philanthropic, most volunteer of any Muslim (ethnicity) and by far outdo Indians (of any religion). Any cause of Muslims (from Asia to NA, you will Pakistani Muslims) upfront and center.

This applies to 1st, 2nd, 3rd generation Muslims of Pakistani origin.

I have multiple friends who do charity work all around the world (in Muslim and non-Muslim countries) I have heard multiple Accounts where Pakistani Muslims outdo every other nationality and ethnic group by far.

Dr Zakir Naik has multiple discussions on this topic along with many Arab and Revert Muslims so this is simply not my observation.

Pakistani liberal and secular Ex-pats are also active but far more limited and within Pakistani context and their 2nd, 3rd generations are not even active in Pakistani causes, let alone beyond Pakistani causes.

The second group after Pakistani Muslims are Sikhs in my exposure and experience in charitable works.

Indian Hindus are far more politically active and connected.
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sweep_shot said:
Most of Bangladesh is conservative and religious. Rural regions (most of Bangladesh) are very conservative.

Dhaka has both liberals and religious folks. It is Bangladesh's equivalent of Islamabad. Lots of cringy liberals in Dhaka sadly.

My father's side is super-religious. I never saw them miss any salah. I never saw my dad miss any salah.

My mother's side is complete opposite. Most don't pray and/or are far from deen. 2-3 have probably left Islam. I don't talk to them much. I find them cringy.
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In my experience, Bangladeshi people (Muslims, Secular, Liberal doesn't matter) in the diaspora are the most friendly and hospitable and far exceed Pakistani and Indians in hospitality and friendliness but never observed them in their natural habitat​
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On a population level , I would say a lot of similarities , from my experience, Pakistanis , Indians, and Arabs have a lot of similar values to each other on a group level.
 
I live in west now so obviously perception is better , i have had family friends that are Pakistanis as well. Most acquaintances or friends from Pak for me have been either from Karachi or Punjab(mostly Lahore) area.. had just one Pakhtoon acquaintance.

The population of desis is so huge that obviously its hard to stereotype, to me personally very less difference between Panjabis on both the sides, just like I dislike Indian rich brats I dislike the Pakistani defense colony ones as well even more so coz they put me down as an Indian/Hindu.
 
Perception: Indians are intolerant, bigoted, hardcore Hindus and Anti-Muslim

Reality:

I am not a Hindu so this is a "Non-Hindu" looking in...

When it comes to "Hindus" then there is no religion or specific rituals or scripture and in my limited exposure and experience most Hindus are actually Atheists but they have "cultural practices" which they participate in (either actively or passively). Hinduism is not organized and as a result diverse set of cultural actions have been subsumed and turned into "Cultural Hinduism" and that's why even popular practices in India differ (in dates, practice and celebration). It is my strong suspicion that most Hindus are actually Atheists.

India is a huge country with diverse people and views and I believe that this perception is perhaps directed towards Hindus. In my experience and exposure, the most polite and friendly people of India are probably Indian Christians.

Within Hindus, there is also huge differences and diverse opinions and as a general rule South Indian Hindus don't have any issues with any religion or caste of ethnicity. India went through a huge reckoning in the 1990s and when they witnessed huge religious festivals (or rituals) outside they reflected inwards and tried to inject religious zeal into Hindu cultural celebrations. In my lifetime, I have seen Hindu celebrations go (from partying) to taking a religious flavor but this is artificial because Hinduism isn't an organized religion as such.

The second factor is strong nationalistic jingoism injected into common Indian that India should take its rightful place on the World stage (as per its size and population). In India, the propaganda about Pakistan and Muslims is being pumped 24/7 for the last 25+ years from every source and it is relentless so it is bound to affect people and citizens.

In reality, Muslims have lived in India for centuries and Hindus (know from interaction in neighborhoods, schools, colleges, workplaces etc) what Muslims are actually like but the relentless propaganda takes its toll. Hindus have always believed that Muslims are sex-maniacs (4 wives) when in reality, overwhelming majority of Muslims have just 1 wife and can barely afford a family. The issue of Muslim promiscuity is drilled into Hindu-psyche (at every level) over centuries. Hindus see Muslims but don't believe it and believe their perception over reality.

As a result of strong and relentless propaganda, the younger generation of Indian Hindus are actually further away from Muslims (to be able to witness with their own eyes) then the previous generations.

For the past few decades, a subset of Hindus have been to project their perceptions about Islam and Muslims with force and their fear about Hinduism to the masses and Indian Muslims cannot match that set of propaganda because they are economical and educationally backwards.

On a whole, Hindus are good tolerant people but extremely culturally sensitive and superstitious and due to it they are extremely perceptive and see every change as detrimental.

In fact, social changes in India (LGBTQ+ etc) are equally perceived as a threat and it has nothing to do with Islam or Muslims. In my limited understanding, Hindus never had any such issues in their history and were never intolerant. The "modern Indian intolerance" is not just towards Muslims and Indian bravado isn't just towards Pakistan.

Hindus as a whole are far more pragmatic then people of Pakistan and that's why their ire is not towards China despite land grabs and incursions because they know that China has left India behind and India cannot compete so anger towards Pakistan is compounded and genuine.​
  1. Hindutva want to ignore Pakistan but cannot​
  2. Hindutva want to crush Pakistan but cannot​
On paper, Pakistan should not be able to compete with India at any level.

Actually, let me say that Pakistan is more of an irritant and annoyance and frustration than anything else to Hindutva

In my humble assessment, Hindutva is not good for the survival of India let alone to anything/anyone else. India will pay dearly for the incessant and relentless propaganda because someday this bubble will burst. There are millions of Muslims in India everywhere and Hindus can see them first hand and someday they will come to realization that propaganda isn't true.

This isn't the West...

That day may be too late, for India.
 
My sample size is smallish 300~, mostly from my faculty at the University of British Columbia.

Indians differ a lot depending on the province.

Best Indians are Indians who are not from India lol, eg. from Fiji, Africa and Caribbean. If you can call them an Indian.

Indians from Haryana are most mannerless creatures on this planet earth, they got newly acquired riches thanks to Gurgaon but no class.

Gujjus are super nice, and very hygienic. They do not come from poor backgrounds and it shows. Most have not consumed any meat other than chicken before coming to Canada, and stick to it. But few start liking beef burgers and dating non Hindus.

Indians from Pune are very chill.

Recently Canada got an influx of people from Andhra and Telegana?, they tend to live together as bachelors and work insane hours, they reek. They also never work on their hard to understand accent, south Indians in general.

Someone from Karachi is very similar to Delhi in demeanour.

Even after such a long separation, Pakistani Sindhis and Indian Gujjus can be seen hanging out together as most of their culture and language is somewhat similar.
 
South Indians are usually very nice and polite. But they can be very petty at times. The Indians from the nothern states and the west like Gujaratis are typically loud, and you see they carry a lot of anti-Pakistan baggage overall. The South Indians do not tend to have this bias in my experience. They also get along well with Muslims in general because in the south, you dont have hindu muslim tensions like the rest of india.

Being a punjabi though, I notice that indian punjabis are sort of similar to me in appearance, speech, a lot of habits, food prefernces, etc. If you manage to become good friends with them, its a good time. But it rarely happens. At the end of the day both sides have a lot of baggage. It is probably easiest for Pakistanis to get along and be cordial with the South Indians. I do that just hoping someone can help me get Tamanna Bhatia's phone number.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Sorry Brother​
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Muslim: Growing up in India​
  1. Stage 1: You realize very early on as a Muslim that you are different, the difference maybe physical or social but you realize no matter how secular and non-practicing your family maybe that you are different​
  2. Stage 2: It is drilled into your head from early on and India is Secular and everyone has the right to practice their religion and everyone around you continuously reinforces that throughout through every interaction whether Islamic or Secular.​
  3. Stage 3: You view every act or incident of discrimination as an aberration and temporary because the system (as a whole) is Secular and a bastion of human rights.​
And 99% of the Muslims live through and die.

When outsiders remind you of Muslim oppression and genocide or discuss it, you (due to being in Stage 3) defend the Indian Secular system, robustly.

Most Indian Masjids and Darul-ulooms hardly discuss Kashmir and doesn't exist or there are some incidents by bad apples and many times it is as if the Kashmiri Muslims have brought it upon themselves.

Majority of Muslims never go beyond this.

I believe that Sharjeel Imam was going beyond Stage 3 and could have pushed many Muslims beyond it, too.​
 
lol Haryanvis are way more well mannered than Panjabis but ofcourse hard to explain that to paindus from Bramptons..
 
Stewie said:
South Indians are usually very nice and polite. But they can be very petty at times. The Indians from the nothern states and the west like Gujaratis are typically loud, and you see they carry a lot of anti-Pakistan baggage overall. The South Indians do not tend to have this bias in my experience. They also get along well with Muslims in general because in the south, you dont have hindu muslim tensions like the rest of india.

Being a punjabi though, I notice that indian punjabis are sort of similar to me in appearance, speech, a lot of habits, food prefernces, etc. If you manage to become good friends with them, its a good time. But it rarely happens. At the end of the day both sides have a lot of baggage. It is probably easiest for Pakistanis to get along and be cordial with the South Indians. I do that just hoping someone can help me get Tamanna Bhatia's phone number.
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Tamana Bhatia is a sindhi
 
JaDed said:
Tamana Bhatia is a sindhi
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Are there any sindhis in india? i thought all of Sindh was in Pakistan. anyhow, she works mostly in south indian films so im sure they can oblige. lol
 
I never thought Indians as some other or enemy until Modi and right wing politics took off.

A bunch of used to work together on occasions I used to drop them off home from the warehouse. There were some who did a lot of brown nosing who were annoying but we saw each other as equal.

Then I started to work in a white collar environment and realised they tend to be more white pleasing than any other ethnicity but maybe that’s to do with careerism.

Aside from that they are hardworking and smart people.

However, now I stay away from them. If someone like Modi has that support for so long, it does say something about the people. Also, the behaviour of many online and the scams etc paints a picture. The racism they face in the west is unfortunate but there’s so many of them everywhere, it’s normal they receive their share.
 
Stewie said:
Are there any sindhis in india? i thought all of Sindh was in Pakistan. anyhow, she works mostly in south indian films so im sure they can oblige. lol
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Lol She can't speak telugu , she just lip syncs, same with Hansika Motwani another sindhi that acts in south movies, the sindhis in India are Hindus(with Jhulelal focus) the ones that migrated from Pakistan like Panjabis, the ones whose names end with Ahuja, Bhatia and lani(Advani,motwani,hiranandani etc)..
 
Indians in the uk seem to more independent, better business skills and have bigger goals.
Mainly because a lot of them have come from upper class backgrounds in Tanzania and Uganda etc
The gujratis are similar to the Pakistanis and seem to be self embroiled in an eternal struggle to please thy neighbour without ever really getting out of championship mode
 
The Bald Eagle said:
On social media Indian appears so bad...but I know some Indians here who are really sensible like @Bhaag Viru Bhaag @JaDed , @big_gamer007 , @Human786 , @jamie smith fan etc....only cultist act odd
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These days, every Tom, Dick, and Harry is on social media. Smartphones are widely available, and internet access in India is extremely cheap.





People who are too timid to speak in real life often become bold online, hiding behind anonymity. From there, they unleash all their vitriol.





This isn’t new—it’s always existed. Earlier, the internet wasn’t accessible to everyone, so the scale was smaller. Now, with internet penetration so high, the numbers have grown massively. Percentage-wise, most people still don’t engage in such behavior, but even 1% of 1.5 billion is far larger than 10% of 10 million.





And it’s not just Indians. Pakistanis have been the same—I’ll share an example. Back in the late 90s, I used to play pool on Yahoo Games. There was a room called “Kashmir,” named after a Led Zeppelin song. Indians and Pakistanis often gathered there; many got along well, but some were constantly abusive toward each other.





Some British Pakistanis, who had faster internet at the time, used automated spam tools to flood the chat with nonstop abusive messages about Hindus, Indians, and Indian gods. These spammers would send hundreds of lines every second, overwhelming the chat. Naturally, that made some Indians start hating Pakistanis.





That’s why I always say—and I’ve told @Pakpak and @DeadlyVenom before—you never really know how your words will affect someone. What you consider trolling or harmless abuse might cause the other side to develop genuine hatred, not just for you but for your entire community. That hatred then feeds into larger divisions, empowering leaders like Trump or Modi who thrive on polarization.





So my advice is simple: be kind and respectful. You’ll make the world a better place. And when faced with hate online, the best response is often no response—ignore it and don’t fuel the fire.
 
big_gamer007 said:
These days, every Tom, Dick, and Harry is on social media. Smartphones are widely available, and internet access in India is extremely cheap.





People who are too timid to speak in real life often become bold online, hiding behind anonymity. From there, they unleash all their vitriol.





This isn’t new—it’s always existed. Earlier, the internet wasn’t accessible to everyone, so the scale was smaller. Now, with internet penetration so high, the numbers have grown massively. Percentage-wise, most people still don’t engage in such behavior, but even 1% of 1.5 billion is far larger than 10% of 10 million.





And it’s not just Indians. Pakistanis have been the same—I’ll share an example. Back in the late 90s, I used to play pool on Yahoo Games. There was a room called “Kashmir,” named after a Led Zeppelin song. Indians and Pakistanis often gathered there; many got along well, but some were constantly abusive toward each other.





Some British Pakistanis, who had faster internet at the time, used automated spam tools to flood the chat with nonstop abusive messages about Hindus, Indians, and Indian gods. These spammers would send hundreds of lines every second, overwhelming the chat. Naturally, that made some Indians start hating Pakistanis.





That’s why I always say—and I’ve told @Pakpak and @DeadlyVenom before—you never really know how your words will affect someone. What you consider trolling or harmless abuse might cause the other side to develop genuine hatred, not just for you but for your entire community. That hatred then feeds into larger divisions, empowering leaders like Trump or Modi who thrive on polarization.





So my advice is simple: be kind and respectful. You’ll make the world a better place. And when faced with hate online, the best response is often no response—ignore it and don’t fuel the fire.
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POTW
 
Stewie said:
Are there any sindhis in india? i thought all of Sindh was in Pakistan. anyhow, she works mostly in south indian films so im sure they can oblige. lol
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There are hundreds of thousands probably millions of Sindhis in India mostly concentrated in the West... Maharashtra and Gujarat. A very entrepreneurial and successful community.

I have an especially affinity for them. My school was in an area of Bombay called Sindhi Colony and I grew up eating Sindhi food from my classmates' tiffin dabbas - dal pakwaan, koki etc. the area was originally called Sindhi Camp an encampment for Sindhis who came over during the partition.
 
big_gamer007 said:
These days, every Tom, Dick, and Harry is on social media. Smartphones are widely available, and internet access in India is extremely cheap.





People who are too timid to speak in real life often become bold online, hiding behind anonymity. From there, they unleash all their vitriol.





This isn’t new—it’s always existed. Earlier, the internet wasn’t accessible to everyone, so the scale was smaller. Now, with internet penetration so high, the numbers have grown massively. Percentage-wise, most people still don’t engage in such behavior, but even 1% of 1.5 billion is far larger than 10% of 10 million.





And it’s not just Indians. Pakistanis have been the same—I’ll share an example. Back in the late 90s, I used to play pool on Yahoo Games. There was a room called “Kashmir,” named after a Led Zeppelin song. Indians and Pakistanis often gathered there; many got along well, but some were constantly abusive toward each other.





Some British Pakistanis, who had faster internet at the time, used automated spam tools to flood the chat with nonstop abusive messages about Hindus, Indians, and Indian gods. These spammers would send hundreds of lines every second, overwhelming the chat. Naturally, that made some Indians start hating Pakistanis.





That’s why I always say—and I’ve told @Pakpak and @DeadlyVenom before—you never really know how your words will affect someone. What you consider trolling or harmless abuse might cause the other side to develop genuine hatred, not just for you but for your entire community. That hatred then feeds into larger divisions, empowering leaders like Trump or Modi who thrive on polarization.





So my advice is simple: be kind and respectful. You’ll make the world a better place. And when faced with hate online, the best response is often no response—ignore it and don’t fuel the fire.
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Great advice brother
 
Red-Indian said:
There are hundreds of thousands probably millions of Sindhis in India mostly concentrated in the West... Maharashtra and Gujarat. A very entrepreneurial and successful community.

I have an especially affinity for them. My school was in an area of Bombay called Sindhi Colony and I grew up eating Sindhi food from my classmates' tiffin dabbas - dal pakwaan, koki etc. the area was originally called Sindhi Camp an encampment for Sindhis who came over during the partition.
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Sindhi Hindus in Pakistan are probably the most affluent minority of the country. They tend to fly under the radar but they are easily in the top 10% of the affluent pakistani population. Our FBR processes are terrible and we never find out how rich anyone is unlike india when it comes to business people but in the textile industry they are raking it in.
 
Stewie said:
Sindhi Hindus in Pakistan are probably the most affluent minority of the country. They tend to fly under the radar but they are easily in the top 10% of the affluent pakistani population. Our FBR processes are terrible and we never find out how rich anyone is unlike india when it comes to business people but in the textile industry they are raking it in.
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I am from Sindh, I’ve traveled extensively throughout Sindh and have family members involved in the province’s political circles. Sindhi Hindus in Pakistan are generally quite affluent, though they tend to maintain a low profile.

I had a couple of Sindhi Hindu classmates during my school years in Karachi, and I’m still in touch with them. They came from some of the most affluent Sindhi Hindu families in the city.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
On social media Indian appears so bad...but I know some Indians here who are really sensible like @Bhaag Viru Bhaag @JaDed , @big_gamer007 , @Human786 , @jamie smith fan etc....only cultist act odd
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big_gamer007 said:
These days, every Tom, Dick, and Harry is on social media. Smartphones are widely available, and internet access in India is extremely cheap.





People who are too timid to speak in real life often become bold online, hiding behind anonymity. From there, they unleash all their vitriol.





This isn’t new—it’s always existed. Earlier, the internet wasn’t accessible to everyone, so the scale was smaller. Now, with internet penetration so high, the numbers have grown massively. Percentage-wise, most people still don’t engage in such behavior, but even 1% of 1.5 billion is far larger than 10% of 10 million.





And it’s not just Indians. Pakistanis have been the same—I’ll share an example. Back in the late 90s, I used to play pool on Yahoo Games. There was a room called “Kashmir,” named after a Led Zeppelin song. Indians and Pakistanis often gathered there; many got along well, but some were constantly abusive toward each other.





Some British Pakistanis, who had faster internet at the time, used automated spam tools to flood the chat with nonstop abusive messages about Hindus, Indians, and Indian gods. These spammers would send hundreds of lines every second, overwhelming the chat. Naturally, that made some Indians start hating Pakistanis.





That’s why I always say—and I’ve told @Pakpak and @DeadlyVenom before—you never really know how your words will affect someone. What you consider trolling or harmless abuse might cause the other side to develop genuine hatred, not just for you but for your entire community. That hatred then feeds into larger divisions, empowering leaders like Trump or Modi who thrive on polarization.





So my advice is simple: be kind and respectful. You’ll make the world a better place. And when faced with hate online, the best response is often no response—ignore it and don’t fuel the fire.
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I Used to love Kashmir room haha I learned a lot of swear words there as a kid. My uncle from Pakistan visited once and went on it. After that I got hooked.

When my parents were out I would go on with my mic and give full maan behen swears to Indians. I was in my early teens.

I didn't insult gods etc though although some did.

Most of the time it was drunk uncles from both communities. Nice and simple times. Lots of fun and jokes too amidst the swearing.

This was early 00s though I'm sure Indians and Pakistanis hated each other before that lol can't blame me for that
 
I see most Indians as more naive than Pakistanis when it comes to politics and knowledge about their own government
 
DeadlyVenom said:
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I Used to love Kashmir room haha I learned a lot of swear words there as a kid. My uncle from Pakistan visited once and went on it. After that I got hooked.

When my parents were out I would go on with my mic and give full maan behen swears to Indians. I was in my early teens.

I didn't insult gods etc though although some did.

Most of the time it was drunk uncles from both communities. Nice and simple times. Lots of fun and jokes too amidst the swearing.

This was early 00s though I'm sure Indians and Pakistanis hated each other before that lol can't blame me for that
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Damn, you have been around a long time.:ibutt
 
Red-Indian said:
There are hundreds of thousands probably millions of Sindhis in India mostly concentrated in the West... Maharashtra and Gujarat. A very entrepreneurial and successful community.

I have an especially affinity for them. My school was in an area of Bombay called Sindhi Colony and I grew up eating Sindhi food from my classmates' tiffin dabbas - dal pakwaan, koki etc. the area was originally called Sindhi Camp an encampment for Sindhis who came over during the partition.
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Ulhasnagar is the official sindhi area near Bombay bro
 
Stewie said:
Sindhi Hindus in Pakistan are probably the most affluent minority of the country. They tend to fly under the radar but they are easily in the top 10% of the affluent pakistani population. Our FBR processes are terrible and we never find out how rich anyone is unlike india when it comes to business people but in the textile industry they are raking it in.
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Lol even in the area near Mumbai, its one of the the largest Jeans/Denim manufacturing hubs of the world.
 
JaDed said:
Lol even in the area near Mumbai, its one of the the largest Jeans/Denim manufacturing hubs of the world.
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i guess the partition has not changed some things. Most of the export quality stuff from Pakistan originates in Sindh as well.
 
JaDed said:
Ulhasnagar is the official sindhi area near Bombay bro
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Believe me...I know USA or the Ulhasnagar Sindhi Association. I've lived 20+ years in Bombay.

However Sindhi Camp/Colony in Chembur is also a lesser known but huge conglomeration of Sindhis. Try Jhama sweets or Vig or any number of outlets near there if you're in Bombay the next time. Authentic mouth-watering Sindhi food.

Here's a nice article that gives a list.

Chembur, The Mecca Of Sindhi Food In Mumbai
 
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