India's Amazing Batting Firepower!

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Come lately we have seen some stellar performances from the Indian batting mainstays as well as newcomers. So much so it has dominated Australia at home in 2021 and has surpassed the much vaunted deep batting of English team.

While Kohli and KL Rahul have regained their form in T20's and ODI's; Rohit, Ashwin and Pant have excelled in the Tests series. There has been some surprising rearguard action from Washington Sundar.

What has been astounding is the match winning performances from debutants SKY and Ishan in the recently concluded T20 series with England and from Krunal Pandya in the 1st ODI. All these debutants are not exactly newbies to competetive cricket at top level.

What exactly is the reason that the Indian batting factory keeps producing match winners at a much regular frequency than everbefore?

 

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It's just a factory': Former India batting coach Sanjay Bangar hails Team India's bench strength

Former India batting coach Sanjay Bangar hailed Team India's back-up options, giving credit to the Indian Premier League (IPL) and the domestic circuit.

In the last six months, India's bench strength has been put to test continuously and the new-comers have put their hand up every single time. Be it T. Natarajan, Shubman Gill, Navdeep Saini, Mohammed Siraj, and Washington Sundar in Australia or Axar Patel, Ishan Kishan, Krunal Pandya, Prasidh Krishna, and Suryakumar Yadav against England back home, Team India's debutants have flourished immensely. Former India batting coach Sanjay Bangar hailed Team India's back-up options, giving credit to the Indian Premier League (IPL) and the domestic circuit.

"India, with the depth of talent they have at the moment. It’s just a factory, the structure is so good. The IPL leaves a great foundation, first-class set-up is absolutely fantastic," Bangar quipped on-air during a show on Star Sports.

Krunal Pandya and Prasidh Krishna are the latest entrants to the list. They were handed their debuts in the first ODI match against England at the Maharashtra Cricket Association in Pune on Tuesday and they heavily impressed everyone.

While the Baroda all-rounder Krunal (58 not out) smashed the fastest-ever fifty by a debutant in ODI cricket, Karnataka bowler Prasidh pocketed 4/54 in 8.1 overs to help his side with breakthroughs at crucial junctures and eventually lead them to a 66-run victory.

Bangar also explained why Krunal was picked over Axar Patel--who was the second-highest wicket-taker in the Test series against England--for the first one-day game.

"Krunal Pandya richly deserves for his Vijay Hazare performances, having scored two 100s and picked up wickets and has got a chance. If Axar is good for a T20I and Test matches, then he should be good enough for 10-over or ODI cricket as well.

"We have the quantity and we have the quality, so there are so many choices and at times, you feel envious of the amount of talent the team possesses the bench strength," Bangar added.

Southpaw Krunal stitched an important 112-run stand with KL Rahul for the sixth wicket to lead their side to a match-winning total of 317/5. He also completed his quota of overs, finishing with figures of 1/59, bagging the wicket of Sam Curran as India bowled out England for 251 in 42.1 overs.

Bangar concluded by saying India doesn't have a dearth of options, which is very good for India cricket.

"I believe continuity is critical to any player’s confidence. If a player looks to get those opportunities on a regular basis, then he is settled when it comes to a crunch game and that one aspect has to be looked into. Apart from that, India has a plethora of options available with them,” he added.

India and England lock horns again in the second ODI at the same venue on Friday, March 23. England must win to stay alive in the three-match series.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/its-just-a-factory-former-india-batting-coach-sanjay-bangar-hails-team-india-s-bench-strength-101616584401357.html

Sanjay Bangar talking about the compete team here but relevant to the thread.

 

[mazkhan]

Club like bowling attack from England , curran brothers are nothing special , topley is a journeyman , stokes is an overrated bowler his white ball credentials are rubbish.

Moeen and adil are hardly world class spinners

Top that with the standard flat road pitches for white ball cricket and the 2 new ball rule then Big scores are a norm.

2 new ball rule has killed the pace bowlers and even the spinners who would make better use with the older softer ball but now can't. Pacers are on a hiding for nothing anyway these days . So let these 300 + slog fests continue .

 

[guna]

Club like bowling attack from England , curran brothers are nothing special , topley is a journeyman , stokes is an overrated bowler his white ball credentials are rubbish.

Moeen and adil are hardly world class spinners

Top that with the standard flat road pitches for white ball cricket and the 2 new ball rule then Big scores are a norm.

2 new ball rule has killed the pace bowlers and even the spinners who would make better use with the older softer ball but now can't. Pacers are on a hiding for nothing anyway these days . So let these 300 + slog fests continue .

Only Archer is missing from the lineup you mentioned.

 

[Kingpin786]

Only Archer is missing from the lineup you mentioned.

Chris woakes is a very good bowler

 

[Hasan123]

India have a brilliant batting line up. The problem is they are too cautious in the first 30 overs. They should look to be more aggressive. Kohli,KL, and Rohit can play every shot in the book. It is extremely sad to see them hold themselves back.

 

[Mirpur express]

Call it Amazing fireworks if they regularly hit 400+ on those phatta pitches ,as any sub 350 will be chased down with ease as seen today ps the Zimbabweans can hit this England bowling attack for 300+

 

[Mesozoic]

You see what stokes and Bairstow did?

That's called firepower. Not the thing our Top4 did.

 

[RajBan]

India have a brilliant batting line up. The problem is they are too cautious in the first 30 overs. They should look to be more aggressive. Kohli,KL, and Rohit can play every shot in the book. It is extremely sad to see them hold themselves back.

The seniors have put in a culture of selfish stat-padding. Anybody who does not do that will not get consistent chances. Anybody who does that will get chances in a plate. Dhawan will play on WC 2023 for that reason while Pant and Sky will be dropped at the slightest failure.

 

[ethan hunt]

Alex hales is a better white ball striker than anyone in india. He isnt even playing for england.
Talk about the English firepower.

 

[rhony]

Alex hales is a better white ball striker than anyone in india. He isnt even playing for england.
Talk about the English firepower.

Rohit is better than Hales. But again not everyone uses recreational drugs while playing for their country. So, it's his own fault that Morgan plays his mediocre innings while Hales is out.

 

[rhony]

India have a brilliant batting line up. The problem is they are too cautious in the first 30 overs. They should look to be more aggressive. Kohli,KL, and Rohit can play every shot in the book. It is extremely sad to see them hold themselves back.

That's because they've seen too many games go to dogs after top 3 were in the shed. The more confidence they will have on the middle order, the better they will play. Iyer's injury was another factor today. He was the one guy on form and could score a 70 or 80 if there were early wickets. Turns out Pant can do it too so I expect this Indian team to go all guns blazing in the next game like they did in the 5th game of T20 series

 

[Hasan123]

The seniors have put in a culture of selfish stat-padding. Anybody who does not do that will not get consistent chances. Anybody who does that will get chances in a plate. Dhawan will play on WC 2023 for that reason while Pant and Sky will be dropped at the slightest failure.

I don't think it's selfish. I think it's a game plan that has worked but it is time to evolve but seems as though India don’t want to.

 

[Hasan123]

That's because they've seen too many games go to dogs after top 3 were in the shed. The more confidence they will have on the middle order, the better they will play. Iyer's injury was another factor today. He was the one guy on form and could score a 70 or 80 if there were early wickets. Turns out Pant can do it too so I expect this Indian team to go all guns blazing in the next game like they did in the 5th game of T20 series

Hopefully Pant and Pandya becoming more consistent will allow the top 3 to bat more aggressively.

 

[OMB]

You see what stokes and Bairstow did?

That's called firepower. Not the thing our Top4 did.

I would not say that losing one match makes a difference to the claim.
You are comparing one innings and I am talking about series of performances from old and new bats.

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">India's highest losing scores in ODIs when batting first:<br><br>358/9 v AUSTRALIA March 2019 at Mohali<br>347/4 v NZ Feb 2020 at Hamilton<br>336/6 v ENGLAND today at Pune<br>328ao v PAKISTAN Feb 2006 at Peshawar<br>321/9 v PAKISTAN Nov 2007 at Mohali<br>321/6 v S LANKA June 2017 at The Oval<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1375523261639983110?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 26, 2021</a></blockquote>
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[Mobashir]

Actually they have been outclassed easely by England in both ODI 's.
It was just for a small period of time that England lost their mind in the first odi and lost the match.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Actually they have been outclassed easely by England in both ODI 's.
It was just for a small period of time that England lost their mind in the first odi and lost the match.

Good to see you back bro, didn't see you for a while when ENG were losing. I hope you make an appearance if ENG loses the next one, we know you will be back for sure if ENG wins

 

[Mobashir]

Good to see you back bro, didn't see you for a while when ENG were losing. I hope you make an appearance if ENG loses the next one, we know you will be back for sure if ENG wins

Thanks.

Quite busy these days. But still try to post when once in a life time beating happens, and yesterday was one of them.
Stokes being one of my all time favorite cricketers made me even more happy!

 

[Romali_rotti]

Thanks.

Quite busy these days. But still try to post when once in a life time beating happens, and yesterday was one of them.
Stokes being one of my all time favorite cricketers made me even more happy!

Stokes played a blinder, with the help of the Indian umpire of course...

 

[sindhiboy]

India is much better without dhoni.

Pant, pandya and jadeja is the most powerful lower middle order in the world.

 

[MesonK]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">India's highest losing scores in ODIs when batting first:<br><br>358/9 v AUSTRALIA March 2019 at Mohali<br>347/4 v NZ Feb 2020 at Hamilton<br>336/6 v ENGLAND today at Pune<br>328ao v PAKISTAN Feb 2006 at Peshawar<br>321/9 v PAKISTAN Nov 2007 at Mohali<br>321/6 v S LANKA June 2017 at The Oval<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1375523261639983110?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 26, 2021</a></blockquote>
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That is a funny record Indeed.

 

[The lone Ranger]

That is a funny record Indeed.

This is more funny

 

[MesonK]

This is more funny

both have similar record (Despite BCCI money) yet Indians think their team is like tiers above Pakistan. Funny Indeed.

 

[RamLakhan]

You see what stokes and Bairstow did?

That's called firepower. Not the thing our Top4 did.

For any fan if the opposition team hits hard that looks more brutal than their own batsmen hitting... Even we hit quite well in the last match of the T20 series which they couldn't match up... Let's wait for the last match... Certainly our team is not too pale compared to 90s, 00s or even 2010s... We are relishing more happy moments...

 

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'Neither was Kohli able to do it, nor Rahul': Inzamam-Ul-Haq highlights the one element missing in India's batting

Although Inzamam lauded the efforts of India’s batsmen, praising Rahul for his fifth ODI hundred, the former Pakistan captain feels India lost out to England in one department.

Following India’s crushing six-wicket defeat to England in the second ODI, Inzamam Ul Haq reflected on the home team’s performance in the match, highlighting one the area he feels India’s batsmen need to do well in.

India set England a challenging total of 337 to chase down, with centuries from KL Rahul, and half-centuries from Rishabh Pant and Virat Kohli. However, in the end, England made a mockery of the chase, winning the game with 39 balls to spare as Jonny Bairstow, Jason Roy and Ben Stokes pummeled the Indian bowling on Friday night.

Although Inzamam lauded the efforts of India’s batsmen, praising Rahul for his fifth ODI hundred, the former Pakistan captain feels India lost out to England in one department.

After being put in to bat, India were reduced to 37/2 with Shikhar Dhawan and Rohit Sharma departing without much on the board. From there, even though India forged two century-partnerships for the third and fourth wickets, the run-rate was upped in only the final 12 overs, and that is where Inzamam feels India need to get slightly better at.

"If we are to talk about India’s batting, they have just one problem. They are not getting the kind of starts from their top order which they desire. England on the other hand, start scoring runs from the top order itself. India do it from their middle-lower order," Inzamam said on his YouTube channel.

"Shikhar Dhawan, an experienced players, has scored 4 off 17 balls. Kohli scored 66 off 79 balls. Even KL Rahul took 114 balls to score 108. There wasn't a single player, except Rohit Sharma, who has scored at run-a-ball. Neither was Kohli able to do it, nor Rahul. He didn’t play like he usually does."

Bairstow and Roy recorded their 13th century partnership, and although Roy was dismissed for 55, Ben Stokes joined Bairstow and changed the complexion of the game. Bairstow hit 124, but it was Stokes’s whirlwind knock of 99 off 52 balls, which exhausted all hoped of an Indian win, reckons Inzamam.

"England had a similar start in the first ODI, but their lower order disappointed them. Their openers had given them a similar start there as well. Jonny Bairstow scored 124 off 112 balls but the man who made a difference was Ben Stokes, who hit 99 off 52 balls. This one knock turned the course of the match. India scored at 6.3 an over, and although Roy played equally well, Stokes scoring 99 off 52 balls is where India lost the game," Inzamam said.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/india-vs-england-neither-was-kohli-able-to-do-it-nor-rahul-inzamam-ul-haq-highlights-the-one-element-missing-in-india-s-batting-101616835400710.html

 

[happydavy]

Baring Rohit Sharma, most Indian batsmen are too self centred and don't read the game well in first inning. When Dhoni was there, India somehow managed to win more often than not even with sub part first inning scores and ordinary bowling lineups. Now i-know-it-all Kohli is a PR machine-gun, he talks big but doesn't walk the talk.

 

[Saj]

The middle order is superb but they need Dhawan and Rohit to fire at the top of the order if they are to really hammer home the advantage.

I'm surprised that they are cautious in the early part of the innings, given they have so much firepower down the order.

 

[Last Monetarist]

There's much of a muchness about the top 3, they need an explosive opener who can take the game away in the powerplay. Plodding around at 4 or 5 an over in the first 10 overs probably doesn't cut it against sides such as England.

 

[MesonK]

The middle order is superb but they need Dhawan and Rohit to fire at the top of the order if they are to really hammer home the advantage.

I'm surprised that they are cautious in the early part of the innings, given they have so much firepower down the order.

Indians have failed to utilize Dhawan his entire career.

 

[Ab Fan]

Top order needs to bat more aggressively. If you average 55+ in ODIs over last 7-8 years, then you must strike close to 100 or more.

KL should also focus on striking at 100+ rather than averaging 50+ although he has the skills and ability to breach both the mark.

 

[MenInG]

For India, Rohit Sharma and Shikhar Dhawan have been successful pair for a long time. During the third and final ODI, the Indian ODI openers brought up 5000 runs together as a pair. They became the second Indian pair to do so after former India openers – Sachin Tendulkar and Sourav Ganguly.

Seven pairs in total have amassed 5000 runs partnership in ODIs and Tendulkar-Ganguly top the list with 8227 runs. They are followed by the iconic pair of Sri Lanka – Mahela Jayawardena and Kumar Sangakkara. The Lankan pair have put on 5992 runs together and have won matches for their country in the past. Another Sri Lankan pair of Tilakaratne Dilshan and Sangakkara is at No 3 with 5475 runs.

The Indian pair of Dhawan and Rohit is also second in terms of most 100s as a pair. They have stitched a century-run stand on 17 occasions, while Sachin and Sourav have done it 21 times.

Most 100+ opening partnerships in ODIs

21 Tendulkar – Ganguly

17 Rohit – Dhawan

16 Gilchrist – Hayden

15 Greenidge – Haynes

At the time of filing the copy, the opening stand had been broken, but not before they had already put on a 100-run stand. Rohit and Dhawan stitched 103 runs before the former was picked u by Adil Rashid.

Rohit was out for 37 off 37 balls.

India are 113 for one in 16 overs. India skipper Virat Kohli has walked into the middle and joined a well-set Dhawan – who is on 67.

https://www.cricketcountry.com/news...to-score-5000-partnership-runs-in-odis-975599

 

[cricketjoshila]

both have similar record (Despite BCCI money) yet Indians think their team is like tiers above Pakistan. Funny Indeed.

Isnt pakistan a bowling power house?

 

[Concerned]

both have similar record (Despite BCCI money) yet Indians think their team is like tiers above Pakistan. Funny Indeed.

India are miles ahead of Pakistan in all aspects since 2011. Pakistan records are mainly based on performances over 10 years ago.

The current Pakistan is one of the worst to date in world cricket. The current players are much better than previous teams which had the likes of Anwar, Bilal, Shezad, Assad, however at the same time the quality of cricket has moved forward at a much faster rate.

 

[OMB]

Everyone agrees on one thing. That top order is capable but not scoring fast enough.
They are happy to get 5 or 6 an over even after getting good starts. Except perhaps Rohit who ramps up his scoring graph once he crosses 40.
I am not advocating that we bring Sky or Pant to open the innings. KL Rahul and Dhawan have got all the shots. It feels like it's a mindset.

If they attempt to be explosive and get out in 30's then they get blamed for throwing their wicket away.
The current team composition is such that it is compartmentalized into role based game such that top order should get a good start, middle order rotates strike and Pant's Pandya's go for slog. I would have preferred it to be based on powerplay and opposition bowling strength or bowling changes.

Debutants don't have the fear of throwing wicket way and have to actually first show what they can achieve and hence can afford to be explosive. It is difficult to be reckless when there are new players breathing down your neck.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

So proud of our youngsters today.

Losing with the right mindset is better than winning with the wrong mindset.

Why?

Cos when the moment of truth comes, the one with the right mindset will do better more often than not.

 

[street cricketer]

I've said it a long time. The Indian LOI team is not THAT great. They lack the batting firepower of England, or perhaps the mentality of England. The Indian mindset is almost always conservative.

The Indian LOI team is certainly not as good as the Indian test team.

 

[OMB]

I've said it a long time. The Indian LOI team is not THAT great. They lack the batting firepower of England, or perhaps the mentality of England. The Indian mindset is almost always conservative.

The Indian LOI team is certainly not as good as the Indian test team.

They play according to the team philosophy which currently rotates on the top 4 occupying crease for as long as possible and to unleash the big hitters during slog overs. I think they need to change this approach for ODI.

 

[Usman]

When you have 1.2 billion plus people who are all cricket-mad, and you then combine that with India becoming increasingly prosperous, you get a fantastic cricket team with endless bench strength.

Money means not just that you have all the best facilities etc (which obviously helps), but it also means that more and more Indians are having a better childhood with more nutritious food helping their bones grow etc. This directly increases the pool of people able to play competitive sport. Money also means much better life chances - fewer people are forced by their circumstances to just do any job to feed the family and more and more people have a choice about what they do. A child who wants to become an Indian cricketer today has a much better chance of doing it than a child born even 20 years ago.

As Indians get richer, the team will only get better.

 

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'They eye sixes instead of worrying about getting out': Ramiz Raja on India's young brigade

Former Pakistan batsman heaped rich praise on Team India's youngsters, saying their mentality and skills are simply outstanding.

Ramiz Raja continues to shower appreciation on the youngsters of Team India. In his previous videos uploaded on his YouTube channel "Ramiz Speaks", Ramiz has spoken very highly of the present Indian team. After the third ODI that India won against England to win the series 2-1, the former Pakistan batsman, in his latest video, lauded the young brigade consisting of Rishabh Pant, Hardik Pandya, and Shardul Thakur.

Cricketer-turned-commentator said the courage of the hosts' youngsters after experienced names fell cheaply, was what helped India recover from a spot of bother."At one point, India's innings was stuck at 157/4, then came India's young brigade. Their mentality is different, their skills are different and their instincts are different. They carry out their rebuilding phase through aggression. They make their presence felt through charge. They are so confident about themselves and their skills that they never give up," Raja said.

"When Virat Kohli gets out early, when centurion KL Rahul gets out early and when [Rohit] Sharma makes 30-35 runs and then gets out after settling in, any batting line-up would have come under pressure. But the cricketing matter of Rishabh Pant and Hardik Pandya is of a different kind. They look at the boundaries, they eye sixes instead of worrying about making a mistake and getting out. Although one mistake would have resulted in the innings nosediving because it was such a precarious situation. But the two batted outstandingly. Pant made some 70-odd (78). Similarly, Hardik Pandya, who blew hot-and-cold against extreme pace, on this pitch batted so well with Rishabh Pant against spin and medium pace."

These youngsters were particularly outstanding in the third and deciding ODI game at the Maharashtra Cricket Association Stadium in Pune on Sunday. While Rishabh Pant (78), Hardik Pandya (64), and Shardul Thakur (31 off 20) bailed India out of jail to guide the team to 329 all-out in 48.2 overs, Thakur and Bhuvneshwar Kumar rattled the opposition with the ball.

Thakur, who finished as the top-wicket taker of the series with 7 wickets, pocketed four on the night. On the other hand, Bhuvi claimed the wickets of three English batsmen.

Dawid Malan (50) and later Sam Curran (95 not out) took the visitors to the brink of victory of T. Natarajan held his nerve in the last over as he defended 14 runs in the last over to see his team over the line by 7 runs.

Fifty-eight-year-old Ramiz lauded the all-round abilities of Thakur and Bhuvi's spell with the ball.

"Shardul turned out to be a hero with the bat. Played an innings of 30 off 21 balls. So, the heroes were limitless. Who all do we talk about?"

"Shardul then took four wickets and Bhuvi further lifted his game in this final and tore apart the openers. His consistency is remarkable. Be it to the right-hander or the left-hander, he doesn't give room to anyone," stated Ramiz.

Ramiz also said that this series will be remembered for multiple things, especially the heroes.

"I loved this match and this series because it was a cracking contest. When champion teams face-off, cricket is bound to be electric. This series will be remembered for sixes. This match will be remembered because of the heroes," he said.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/they-eye-sixes-instead-of-worrying-about-getting-out-ramiz-raja-on-india-s-youngsters-101617006910027.html

 

[Nikhil_cric]

It may not be on par with England but it is closer than people think. England batted at night when the pitches got easier to bat on and got to bowl during the day when bowlers found more grip. I'd say someone like a prithvi shaw is needed up top and the batting would be even better. India's series win was impressive considering that England are the best chasers going around and that got the better batting/bowling conditions.

 

[Ab Fan]

If India has to bat with the mindset with which they did last game, we need to have enough depth in the lineup. Need to have capable batsman till 9.

England will have Archer coming at 9, Rashid at 10 and Wood at 11 when they play their full-strength which allow them to bat freely throughout.

Hence, India should go with below lineup:-

Rohit
Shikhar
Kohli(c)
Pant
KL
Pandya
Jadeja
Shardul
Ashwin
Bhuvi
Bumrah

Batting all the way till 10. Both Kuldeep and Chahal are atrocious currently so play a spinner that is a better bat. Ashwin comes in at 9 and Shardul is the wicket taking bowling all-rounder.

With this lineup, we can afford to be at 270/6 after 40 overs and get to 350 total from there.

 

[OMB]

Actually after a long time, India has got a stable and high perf Middle Order. I expect that top order will be asked to bat aggressively. This is similar to what Roy and Bairstow do as their team bats deep. As is obvious to all on PP, same goes for India TM too. Thinktanks must have devised a plan observing Eng and Aus over the two series (not for nothing have BCCI timed these series so strategically).
For sue, expect a different approach in the coming matches.

 

[MenInG]

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[MenInG]