India's been #1 since 2016 | Can they make this reign one to remember?

[docteurmanish]

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India does not have variety, India's bowling can live up to the Windies in the 80's, I agree Australia had lots of umpiring help in the 90's but can't be denied is that with Warne, MCcrath and Lee they also had a better attack than India.

This is the current line of Indian bowlers (below). Could they win a match if they only had 200 on the board. I would say no. Good team currently the best as all other teams have declined but India not ATG. Away from home generally they do struggle because of lack of variety in bowling. In swinging conditions their batsmen are found wanting, Kohli is stand out player though.

Ravichandran Ashwin
Ravindra Jadeja
Ishant Sharma
Umesh Yadav
Mohammed Shami

You forget bumrah injured
Kuldeep and chahal and chahar spinners
Pandya all rounder injured
Shaw and pant as batters who can’t get in
Pant and kissan as keepers - with Bharath in wings
U forget that there are 5 more backup pacers - saini siraj bhuvi nagarkotti porel
There is more talent in the wings - competition is so crazy that india can now have a second team and still beat most teams at home comfortably - away series india is suited to win more than most teams

Only thing we lack is say an akram or a Botham but who needs them when u have bumrah and shami?

This is the most diverse horses for courses team I have seen

Yes they can defend 200 and they can score 500 ! It’s a strong team with opening options , settler middle order and good keepers and best bowling attack amidst all teams with excellent backup

 

[tyron_woodley]

The 2019 Indian team would have a lot of trouble defeating the early 2000's Indian team on Indian decks. My personal opinion is that the early 2000's team would have the edge due to their vastly superior batting lineup.

India now have vastly superior bowling attack and good batsmen too. Some are still young like vihari, Shaw who will come in etc.

This indian team would beat the GOAT 2000 aussie team at home comfortably. They would challenge them away but so did the 2000 indian team so I agree it's hard to compare. Honestly though I have never seen such a ruthless indian side like this one though. Just brutal especially at home. Away record will get better I am sure.

 

[tyron_woodley]

India does not have variety, India's bowling can live up to the Windies in the 80's, I agree Australia had lots of umpiring help in the 90's but can't be denied is that with Warne, MCcrath and Lee they also had a better attack than India.

This is the current line of Indian bowlers (below). Could they win a match if they only had 200 on the board. I would say no. Good team currently the best as all other teams have declined but India not ATG. Away from home generally they do struggle because of lack of variety in bowling. In swinging conditions their batsmen are found wanting, Kohli is stand out player though.

Ravichandran Ashwin
Ravindra Jadeja
Ishant Sharma
Umesh Yadav
Mohammed Shami

do they?I don't think so. bumrah shami and ishant plus ashwin and jaddu is a phenomenal attack. Why are ignoring thr best bowler lol? bumrah? I am 100% sure this indian team would swat that Goat Aussies team at home without any trouble. They are as ruthless as them under kohli. The aggressiveness, attitude and the mental fortitude to win at any cost is clearly visible in this team's demeanor.

if bumrah plays then that so called GOAT aussie team would have problems in australia. This team is so much fitter, faster and stronger barring 2 players. Ashwin the fatty and rohit need to start hitting weights.

 

[Pakhs]

I disagree.

The 80s to mid 90s Windies teams and mid 90s to mid 2000s Australian teams were the exceptions rather than the norm.

The SA side of the 2000s on were very strong and the current Indian team are also very strong.

Okay well thats another way of looking at it.

 

[leatherface58]

India is comfortably the best team in the world right now. They are absolutely unbeatable at home, regardless of the toss. Away from home, they are likely to win comfortably in all places except South Africa and England where they are more reliant on toss but they still compete more often than not.

With Agarwal, they have plugged the one gap in their team which was a quality opener.

It will be very exciting when they tour NZ. Worried about the first couple of days if India gets to bowl. Bumrah and Ishant can wreak havoc out there.

 

[tyron_woodley]

India is comfortably the best team in the world right now. They are absolutely unbeatable at home, regardless of the toss. Away from home, they are likely to win comfortably in all places except South Africa and England where they are more reliant on toss but they still compete more often than not.

With Agarwal, they have plugged the one gap in their team which was a quality opener.

It will be very exciting when they tour NZ. Worried about the first couple of days if India gets to bowl. Bumrah and Ishant can wreak havoc out there.

n.z would struggle badly if bumrah is bowling first. but n.z is a competitive side. They will fight at home.

 

[Slog]

Arguably 5th best test side of all time (post 60s)

 

[jnaveen1980]

n.z would struggle badly if bumrah is bowling first. but n.z is a competitive side. They will fight at home.

NZ is traditionally a first day friendly place. 5th day would be the best time to bat. Also Boult can be lethal ins winging conditions.

 

[Mesozoic]

Arguably 5th best test side of all time (post 60s)

Agree.

1. West Indies of 70s and 80s.

2. Australia of 2000s.

3. South Africa of 2008-14.

4. England of 2009-2013

 

[tyron_woodley]

more like 3rd best or even second best. lol at s.africa of 2008-14 being better. I doubt England of 2009 -14 are better either.

india of 2006-2011 are better than both those teams. Pakistan of 2003-,2007 is better than that England side too.

 

[Mesozoic]

more like 3rd best or even second best. lol at s.africa of 2008-14 being better. I doubt England of 2009 -14 are better either.

india of 2006-2011 are better than both those teams. Pakistan of 2003-,2007 is better than that England side too.

Well, clearly you have a whole different regard for this Indian team.

 

[Slog]

more like 3rd best or even second best. lol at s.africa of 2008-14 being better. I doubt England of 2009 -14 are better either.

india of 2006-2011 are better than both those teams. Pakistan of 2003-,2007 is better than that England side too.

Omg second best.

That’s South Africa side was really good.

It won everywhere and drew in India too twice I think

 

[tyron_woodley]

Omg second best.

That’s South Africa side was really good.

It won everywhere and drew in India too twice I think

and most several times at home too. This side dint lose at home at all.

 

[Napa]

more like 3rd best or even second best. lol at s.africa of 2008-14 being better. I doubt England of 2009 -14 are better either.

india of 2006-2011 are better than both those teams. Pakistan of 2003-,2007 is better than that England side too.

An (only?) objective criteria is the number of months a team spent in the #1 spot. Aus was #1 for 95 months starting 2001, followed by WI #1 for 89 months starting 1981, then Aus 60 months starting 1963, then WI 60 months starting 1968...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICC_Test_Championship

India is currently at 36 months. Two more years of #1, and we can claim to be the 3rd best ever. 2 more years is quite doable given that we have many home series coming up.

5 more years and we can claim to be the best team ever. Not impossible, we will see.

 

[Realromeo]

Looks like no one is going to stop us now. Only if we can start performing well in ICC tournaments...

 

[Slog]

An (only?) objective criteria is the number of months a team spent in the #1 spot. Aus was #1 for 95 months starting 2001, followed by WI #1 for 89 months starting 1981, then Aus 60 months starting 1963, then WI 60 months starting 1968...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICC_Test_Championship

India is currently at 36 months. Two more years of #1, and we can claim to be the 3rd best ever. 2 more years is quite doable given that we have many home series coming up.

5 more years and we can claim to be the best team ever. Not impossible, we will see.

Damn puts things into perspective as to how long then Aussie reign was.

Definitely think 2 more years is achievable. Besides the home series run you pointed out the indian Test side is anyway strong enough that it’s going to win away from home too.

The age group of the team is perfect too. Only thing which could disrupt domination is injuries to bowlers or Kohli

 

[EliteCynical]

An (only?) objective criteria is the number of months a team spent in the #1 spot. Aus was #1 for 95 months starting 2001, followed by WI #1 for 89 months starting 1981, then Aus 60 months starting 1963, then WI 60 months starting 1968...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICC_Test_Championship

India is currently at 36 months. Two more years of #1, and we can claim to be the 3rd best ever. 2 more years is quite doable given that we have many home series coming up.

5 more years and we can claim to be the best team ever. Not impossible, we will see.

Can i ask how you arrived at the number 95 for Aus? I checked the wiki link and Aus were not continously number one since 2001!

 

[Napa]

Can i ask how you arrived at the number 95 for Aus? I checked the wiki link and Aus were not continously number one since 2001!

There are 4 tables in the "Historical Rankings" section.

In the first table, Australia is ranked #1 for 74 months starting June 2003.

The third table has the teams retrospectively ranked starting January 1952. In it Australia is ranked #1 for 21 months starting Sept 2001 till May 2003.

So total is 95 months.

 

[Napa]

Damn puts things into perspective as to how long then Aussie reign was.

Definitely think 2 more years is achievable. Besides the home series run you pointed out the indian Test side is anyway strong enough that it’s going to win away from home too.

The age group of the team is perfect too. Only thing which could disrupt domination is injuries to bowlers or Kohli

Aus ranked #1 for almost 8 years, that's pretty incredible. And you are right, the team is relatively young so it could compete for a few more years barring injuries.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Agree.

1. West Indies of 70s and 80s.

2. Australia of 2000s.

3. South Africa of 2008-14.

4. England of 2009-2013

1 and 2 are fine.

3 is may be.

4 absolutely not.

 

[Mesozoic]

1 and 2 are fine.

3 is may be.

4 absolutely not.

That England team was phenomenal. They beat Aus in Aus , India in India , drawn SA in SA, absolutely annihilated us at home when we were no.1. They were the best test side in the world until they got manhandled by Mitchell Johnson.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

That England team was phenomenal. They beat Aus in Aus , India in India , drawn SA in SA, absolutely annihilated us at home when we were no.1. They were the best test side in the world until they got manhandled by Mitchell Johnson.

They got demolished at home by the Saffers, got whitewashed in the UAE and only managed a drawn series in SL. Also lost in the Caribbean in 09 . Suffers were the best side in the world during that period.

 

[RamLakhan]

It is boring to watch teams playing Test Cricket in India against India. It would be better to ask two different teams to play in India and see how they compete!

 

[Bhaijaan]

5 in a row in the test championship

The juggernaut rolls on

 

[tyron_woodley]

3 months away from eclipsing Smith's saffers record of consecutive months as number 1.

 

[Bhaijaan]

3 months away from eclipsing Smith's saffers record of consecutive months as number 1.

Should do it.

Don't see India losing the #1 rank for a couple of years with this team.

 

[Mamoon]

The GOAT Asian Test team.

 

[Mesozoic]

The GOAT Asian Test team.

This is not even the GOAT Indian team.

The team from (2006-10) will comfortably beat this team.

 

[Mamoon]

This is not even the GOAT Indian team.

The team from (2006-10) will comfortably beat this team.

I don’t agree. This bowling attack has a better chance of negating the 2006-2010 batting lineup than vice-versa.

Also, there is no comparison between the Test captaincy of Dhoni/Dravid/Kumble and Kohli. He is vastly superior.

 

[Mesozoic]

I don’t agree. This bowling attack has a better chance of negating the 2006-2010 batting lineup than vice-versa.

Also, there is no comparison between the Test captaincy of Dhoni/Dravid/Kumble and Kohli. He is vastly superior.

That team won series in England , New Zealand, tied against a strong SA in SA and almost won in Australia (if not for a certain Steve Bucknor). Only accomplishment of the current team that will even come close to these is their win down under against a side missing their two best batsmen.

Yes. Bowling has improved leaps and bounds but overall that team was a better one as it had batters who performed in all the conditions and the bowlers stood up when it mattered.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

That team won series in England , New Zealand, tied against a strong SA in SA and almost won in Australia (if not for a certain Steve Bucknor). Only accomplishment of the current team that will even come close to these is their win down under against a side missing their two best batsmen.

Yes. Bowling has improved leaps and bounds but overall that team was a better one as it had batters who performed in all the conditions and the bowlers stood up when it mattered.

That team was not ruthless enough though. Lost to Pakistan away, could not beat SL away, could not beat England at home, could not beat Saffers at home, narrow series wins at home against Pakistan, NZ . This team has been ruthless at home , winning by big margins, demolished sl and windies away and won a series in Australia.

 

[Ab Fan]

That team was not ruthless enough though. Lost to Pakistan away, could not beat SL away, could not beat England at home, could not beat Saffers at home, narrow series wins at home against Pakistan, NZ . This team has been ruthless at home , winning by big margins, demolished sl and windies away and won a series in Australia.

Yes, but an argument can be made that SL team of that time was much stronger than this. Saffers again were more stronger. That team defeated WI away as well and also defeated England and drew against a strong SA side in 2011.

It was a more balanced team but this is a more ruthless team, unfortunately though, a lot of teams have been mediocre in this era.

 

[geraltofrivia]

Yes, but an argument can be made that SL team of that time was much stronger than this. Saffers again were more stronger. That team defeated WI away as well and also defeated England and drew against a strong SA side in 2011.

It was a more balanced team but this is a more ruthless team, unfortunately though, a lot of teams have been mediocre in this era.

They are mediocre because India has made them look mediocre.

 

[shah_1]

They have done well in Australia, now this team need to win in NZ, England and South Africa to be among the greatest team ever.

India have the bowling line up to do it

 

[Hasan123]

India will be in the test championship final. It’s just who will be playing with them.

Winning the test championship and maintaining the number 1 ranking will put them up there as one of test cricket’s great teams after West Indies 70s and 80s and Australia 2000s team.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

The only way any team can beat India at home is if India lets them (ie Kohli orders rank turners). Kohli isn't playing stupid games anymore, India knows they can obliterate teams even on flat pitches.

 

[jiduguravindra]

India will be in the test championship final. It’s just who will be playing with them.

I know that even before test championship is started.They will win every home series and definitely win atleast one test in other countries.They will the table toppers by a big margin..if they win the toss in the final, their championship to loose.Long way to go but that seem to be inevitable.

 

[Sadevdesai]

This Indian Team is for Real ...... accept it ...... !!!

 

[tyron_woodley]

They are mediocre because India has made them look mediocre.

this is simple truth. kohli's india would obliterate gabaguly's india at home. GOAT Asian team of all time.

GOAT Home team winners of all time.

People just dont want to accept the notion that kohli's india is far more ruthless and superior compared to their predecessors because they are so obsessed with players like sachin, shewag and laxman. All of whom are unfit and wouldn't even meet the fitness standards required to play for current India. Yes they are all insanely talented but the game has become far too professional. Want to know why india is ruthless and number 1? fitness. India is the fittest team in the world by far. Look at their workload. No other team comes close to the amount of games indian players play per year and yet they are good enough to be number 1. Imagine if they dint have to play t20 and focus just on tests and odi like in the past eras. lol it's not even a contest.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

I know that even before test championship is started.They will win every home series and definitely win atleast one test in other countries.They will the table toppers by a big margin..if they win the toss in the final, their championship to loose.Long way to go but that seem to be inevitable.

India is the only team that's guaranteed to win series in both SL and WI, both home and away. That alone puts them in final with ease. Most other nations except Australia aren't even expected to win at home every series.

 

[jiduguravindra]

India is the only team that's guaranteed to win series in both SL and WI, both home and away. That alone puts them in final with ease. Most other nations except Australia aren't even expected to win at home every series.

Yup.. It seem to be the Australia is the another team that going to make to the final..Ind vs aus that's gonna be huge..

 

[Torborg]

India now have vastly superior bowling attack and good batsmen too. Some are still young like vihari, Shaw who will come in etc.

This indian team would beat the GOAT 2000 aussie team at home comfortably. They would challenge them away but so did the 2000 indian team so I agree it's hard to compare. Honestly though I have never seen such a ruthless indian side like this one though. Just brutal especially at home. Away record will get better I am sure.

I agree this Indian team would likely defeat the 2000 Aussie team with ease in India. They would be defeated with the same ease by the current 2019 Aussie test side in Australia imo, likely without winning a test.

They wouldn't challenge the best Australian, English, or South African teams of this century on their home pitches.

Other than India, no international test side is particularly strong right now, so the stage is set for an Indian dynasty. If they can regularly defeat most of their opposition away from home over the next decade, only then they can enter the conversation.

The South African team of the late 90s to early 2000's are the third strongest team I've seen behind the Windies of the 80s-mid 90's and the Aussie side of the late 90's to mid 2000's. Do you think the current Indian test side is of the same caliber?

 

[Torborg]

this is simple truth. kohli's india would obliterate gabaguly's india at home. GOAT Asian team of all time.

GOAT Home team winners of all time.

People just dont want to accept the notion that kohli's india is far more ruthless and superior compared to their predecessors because they are so obsessed with players like sachin, shewag and laxman. All of whom are unfit and wouldn't even meet the fitness standards required to play for current India. Yes they are all insanely talented but the game has become far too professional. Want to know why india is ruthless and number 1? fitness. India is the fittest team in the world by far. Look at their workload. No other team comes close to the amount of games indian players play per year and yet they are good enough to be number 1. Imagine if they dint have to play t20 and focus just on tests and odi like in the past eras. lol it's not even a contest.

Wrong.

Peak Sachin would be the first man picked in the current Indian test side. I assume you're too young to have seen Tendulkar play.

 

[tyron_woodley]

I agree this Indian team would likely defeat the 2000 Aussie team with ease in India. They would be defeated with the same ease by the current 2019 Aussie test side in Australia imo, likely without winning a test.

They wouldn't challenge the best Australian, English, or South African teams of this century on their home pitches.

Other than India, no international test side is particularly strong right now, so the stage is set for an Indian dynasty. If they can regularly defeat most of their opposition away from home over the next decade, only then they can enter the conversation.

The South African team of the late 90s to early 2000's are the third strongest team I've seen behind the Windies of the 80s-mid 90's and the Aussie side of the late 90's to mid 2000's. Do you think the current Indian test side is of the same caliber?

do I think that? absolutely. Better in fact. No I refuse to believe that this team would get beaten easily in australia lol. india will pull atleast 1 back and draw one vs the Aussies. Too good a side to go out with our fighting when they actually are determined to win like the last time they toured.
I agree Aussies of 2000 and w.indies are rated as no 1 and 2. However current India is number 3 in my opinion. Better than smith's s.africa. Yes this team would have trouble winning away against Smith's saffers but Smith's team isn't as strong as india at home. India would win the overall h2h battle which makes them the better team.

Not to mention the workload. Current players are far fitter. Indian team is the fittest in the world. If they dint have to play t20 as much, they would crush those teams away as well.

 

[Indiafan]

this is simple truth. kohli's india would obliterate gabaguly's india at home. GOAT Asian team of all time.

GOAT Home team winners of all time.

People just dont want to accept the notion that kohli's india is far more ruthless and superior compared to their predecessors because they are so obsessed with players like sachin, shewag and laxman. All of whom are unfit and wouldn't even meet the fitness standards required to play for current India. Yes they are all insanely talented but the game has become far too professional. Want to know why india is ruthless and number 1? fitness. India is the fittest team in the world by far. Look at their workload. No other team comes close to the amount of games indian players play per year and yet they are good enough to be number 1. Imagine if they dint have to play t20 and focus just on tests and odi like in the past eras. lol it's not even a contest.

Sachin was one of the fittest people in the team who set the record for the most matches played without missing one. He was also the greatest runner betwern the wicket. When you spout things like these it becomes obvious you have no idea about he past or test cricket. More like a fad for some youngster who just started following test cricket because he is a fan of superstar like kohli

 

[tyron_woodley]

Sachin was one of the fittest people in the team who set the record for the most matches played without missing one. He was also the greatest runner betwern the wicket. When you spout things like these it becomes obvious you have no idea about he past or test cricket. More like a fad for some youngster who just started following test cricket because he is a fan of superstar like kohli

sachin is not as fit as kohli, jadeja, bumrah etc. No where close. he is fit for pot belly standards. That's about it. little master loved to beat records. He chose to break records over winning matches for his country. What a great player hey?
Yea he won india some games away from home but majority of the match winning innings were constructed by the great dravid. Greatest indian batsman of all time.

how may unfit players did india have in 2000 era?
laxman, shewag, kumble, zaheer khan, gambir. Too many. None of these would pass the current fitness test requirements.

 

[cricketjoshila]

this is simple truth. kohli's india would obliterate gabaguly's india at home. GOAT Asian team of all time.

GOAT Home team winners of all time.

People just dont want to accept the notion that kohli's india is far more ruthless and superior compared to their predecessors because they are so obsessed with players like sachin, shewag and laxman. All of whom are unfit and wouldn't even meet the fitness standards required to play for current India. Yes they are all insanely talented but the game has become far too professional. Want to know why india is ruthless and number 1? fitness. India is the fittest team in the world by far. Look at their workload. No other team comes close to the amount of games indian players play per year and yet they are good enough to be number 1. Imagine if they dint have to play t20 and focus just on tests and odi like in the past eras. lol it's not even a contest.

Gambhir
Sehwag
Dravid
Tendulkar
Vvs
Ganguly
Dhoni
Kumble
Harbhajan
Srinath
Zaheer

This team from 2000s will beat Kohli's team.

 

[andy0204]

sachin is not as fit as kohli, jadeja, bumrah etc. No where close. he is fit for pot belly standards. That's about it. little master loved to beat records. He chose to break records over winning matches for his country. What a great player hey?
Yea he won india some games away from home but majority of the match winning innings were constructed by the great dravid. Greatest indian batsman of all time.

how may unfit players did india have in 2000 era?
laxman, shewag, kumble, zaheer khan, gambir. Too many. None of these would pass the current fitness test requirements.

Kumble not fit are you kidding me? Kumble is one of the fittest bowler even fitter than Ashwin who gets injured after every abroad tour,if fitness is so good then why kl Rahul,hardik Pandya who are fitness freaks get failed in test cricket?
It's not just about fitness,it's about skills as well.
I think iam talking to 12 year old boy.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Gambhir
Sehwag
Dravid
Tendulkar
Vvs
Ganguly
Dhoni
Kumble
Harbhajan
Srinath
Zaheer

This team from 2000s will beat Kohli's team.

no they wouldn't. not in india. they would get crushed just like everyone else.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Kumble not fit are you kidding me? Kumble is one of the fittest bowler even fitter than Ashwin who gets injured after every abroad tour,if fitness is so good then why kl Rahul,hardik Pandya who are fitness freaks get failed in test cricket?
It's not just about fitness,it's about skills as well.
I think iam talking to 12 year old boy.

why do you only mention fodder players like Rahul. virat, bumrah, shami, jadeja, ishant now, Mayank are all exceptionally fit.
For bowling in particular fitness is key. I am speaking to a simpleton I think. Bowler strength and conditioning programs are far advanced now. Nutriton is better due to advanced technology. Indian bowlers are the fittest in the world and that's why they are number 1.

Batting ofcourse is where even lazy people can shine because you don't need to run in all day. That's why even unfit players like laxman, shewag were still effective in the past. It's about skills yes but the skill gap can easily be closed if the fitness levels were at an elite standard. Virat credits his fitness for all his accomplishments.

 

[andy0204]

why do you only mention fodder players like Rahul. virat, bumrah, shami, jadeja, ishant now, Mayank are all exceptionally fit.
For bowling in particular fitness is key. I am speaking to a simpleton I think. Bowler strength and conditioning programs are far advanced now. Nutriton is better due to advanced technology. Indian bowlers are the fittest in the world and that's why they are number 1.

Batting ofcourse is where even lazy people can shine because you don't need to run in all day. That's why even unfit players like laxman, shewag were still effective in the past. It's about skills yes but the skill gap can easily be closed if the fitness levels were at an elite standard. Virat credits his fitness for all his accomplishments.

It's a waste of time talking to you if you are only giving importance to fitness,I agree fitness is important but there are other factors as well i.e mindset.
If fitness is criteria for all why don't we bring some atheletes from Olympics and pick them?

 

[Indiafan]

sachin is not as fit as kohli, jadeja, bumrah etc. No where close. he is fit for pot belly standards. That's about it. little master loved to beat records. He chose to break records over winning matches for his country. What a great player hey?
Yea he won india some games away from home but majority of the match winning innings were constructed by the great dravid. Greatest indian batsman of all time.

how may unfit players did india have in 2000 era?
laxman, shewag, kumble, zaheer khan, gambir. Too many. None of these would pass the current fitness test requirements.

Lol you are confusing six packs with fitness. This us what happens when you watch Tokyo much Bollywood movies. Bumrah is no where near as fit or as fast as sachin ever was

Dravid match winnings innings were mostly based on a west indies tour which sachin skipped. Otherwise sachin has equal or more match winning innings in tests and way, way more match winning innings in ODIs

Laxman, kumble, zaheer were pretty fit and fitter than many in the team now like shami or ashwin or rohit.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Lol you are confusing six packs with fitness. This us what happens when you watch Tokyo much Bollywood movies. Bumrah is no where near as fit or as fast as sachin ever was

Dravid match winnings innings were mostly based on a west indies tour which sachin skipped. Otherwise sachin has equal or more match winning innings in tests and way, way more match winning innings in ODIs

Laxman, kumble, zaheer were pretty fit and fitter than many in the team now like shami or ashwin or rohit.

None of our bowlers in the past were as fit as they are now. Not about 6 pack rofl. Do you know what strength and conditioning is?
bumrah isn't as fit as a pudgy uncoordinated sachin? lol what are you smoking.

Bumrah is easily one of the fittest bowlers around. That's the reason why he is number 1. Virat completely transformed into a fit mean machine. Well balanced in every facet of the game. Shami has had like the biggest transformation ever. Current shami credits his nutriton and training for success.

Ashwin is unfit I agree. That's about it. Rohit shouldn't even be picked. He is only picked because he is a fan favourite.
Rohit is still far fitter than shewag, laxman etc who are terrible athletes.

Being skillful is not enough. Skill combined with fitness is what greatest a complete player.

 

[tyron_woodley]

It's a waste of time talking to you if you are only giving importance to fitness,I agree fitness is important but there are other factors as well i.e mindset.
If fitness is criteria for all why don't we bring some atheletes from Olympics and pick them?

did i say fitness is everything? fitness combined with skill is what creates a well rounded complete player. Fitness improves your mindset as well. Your hard trainings will rewire your brain to prepare for adversity. It improves your ability to perform under pressure.
Why did australia dominate in odi back in 2000 era? they were not just skilled, they also had the fittest bowling attack and the most athletic fielders. Even their batsmen had tailored fitness regiments which they adhered to religiously.
In tests they dominated for a good 6-8 years as well. Most top teams have the skill to compete but not all are athletic enough to be a well balanced team.

 

[andy0204]

did i say fitness is everything? fitness combined with skill is what creates a well rounded complete player. Fitness improves your mindset as well. Your hard trainings will rewire your brain to prepare for adversity. It improves your ability to perform under pressure.
Why did australia dominate in odi back in 2000 era? they were not just skilled, they also had the fittest bowling attack and the most athletic fielders. Even their batsmen had tailored fitness regiments which they adhered to religiously.
In tests they dominated for a good 6-8 years as well. Most top teams have the skill to compete but not all are athletic enough to be a well balanced team.

If fitness brings mental awarness then why kl Rahul didn't succeed?
Why kohli choked in ct 2017 final,wc2015,2019 sf?

 

[tyron_woodley]

If fitness brings mental awarness then why kl Rahul didn't succeed?

because he is a complete trash player in terms of skill. Since when is he considered a fit player. He is a mediocre player with average fitness capacity. He is literally the definition of mediocre. KL Rahul is a wastrel.

 

[andy0204]

because he is a complete trash player in terms of skill. Since when is he considered a fit player. He is a mediocre player with average fitness capacity. He is literally the definition of mediocre. KL Rahul is a wastrel.

See his fitness and then reply.
That kl Rahul scored a century in Australia,
Helped India to win the series in 2017 against Australia.
He was termed as a next big thing last year.

 

[shantanu]

See his fitness and then reply.
That kl Rahul scored a century in Australia,
Helped India to win the series in 2017 against Australia.
He was termed as a next big thing last year.

I think there is a lot of natural talent. But there are genuine technical issues plus work needs to be done on the mental side. He has to develop mental strength.
On any day I would say he is more likely to be a better bet than Pant.
Pant has too many chinks.

 

[shantanu]

If fitness brings mental awarness then why kl Rahul didn't succeed?
Why kohli choked in ct 2017 final,wc2015,2019 sf?

Lets see,
CT2017: chasing 340 plus in a tournament final after having possibly made the wrong call at the toss.
WC2015: In Australia, against Australia, chasing a huge score in a QF. Are you kidding me??
WC 2019: Clouds in the sky while Boult says hi!!
Not ONE player in the history of the game has done the supermaniacal tasks that you are pasting him for.
Have you seen him sporting his undies over the trousers somehow??
Do share the pic mate

 

[Hitman]

Lol you are confusing six packs with fitness. This us what happens when you watch Tokyo much Bollywood movies. Bumrah is no where near as fit or as fast as sachin ever was

Dravid match winnings innings were mostly based on a west indies tour which sachin skipped. Otherwise sachin has equal or more match winning innings in tests and way, way more match winning innings in ODIs

Laxman, kumble, zaheer were pretty fit and fitter than many in the team now like shami or ashwin or rohit.

The thing that Dravid was undoubtedly the best in the world is putting the opponent captain to sleep during a match

A simple data. Tendulkar has 32 international centuries against Australia and South Africa, that's right, 32 international centuries. On the other hand, Dravid has 4 international centuries against those same 2 teams, that's right, 4 international centuries.

 

[WengerOut]

Lets see,
CT2017: chasing 340 plus in a tournament final after having possibly made the wrong call at the toss.
WC2015: In Australia, against Australia, chasing a huge score in a QF. Are you kidding me??
WC 2019: Clouds in the sky while Boult says hi!!
Not ONE player in the history of the game has done the supermaniacal tasks that you are pasting him for.
Have you seen him sporting his undies over the trousers somehow??
Do share the pic mate

CT 2017 - Dropped once and dismissed next ball having no clue what the ball was doing. That is not him getting out while trying to blast away in chase of huge total.

WC 2015 - I mean really!! Mitchell Johnson was toying with him before getting out to a horrendous shot. And that too huffing and puffing to a single run in 13 balls after a great start by the team. Bullied out of the contest by Mitchell Johnson

WC 2019 - Swinging conditions? Yes. But who plants his foot across an in swinging delivery when he normally doesn't do that!! Luckily for him Pant played an equally worse shot and everybody pounced on him.


All situations, classic choking.

 

[shantanu]

CT 2017 - Dropped once and dismissed next ball having no clue what the ball was doing. That is not him getting out while trying to blast away in chase of huge total.

WC 2015 - I mean really!! Mitchell Johnson was toying with him before getting out to a horrendous shot. And that too huffing and puffing to a single run in 13 balls after a great start by the team. Bullied out of the contest by Mitchell Johnson

WC 2019 - Swinging conditions? Yes. But who plants his foot across an in swinging delivery when he normally doesn't do that!! Luckily for him Pant played an equally worse shot and everybody pounced on him.


All situations, classic choking.

CT2017: Having no clue what the ball was doing? Yeah dude. It was frigging swinging and so he got out. There is such a thing like scoreboard pressure even if you are not swinging your blade like an axe. Have you been watching the same match? The same sport??

WC 2015: Dude you said it yourself. It was Mitchel friggin Johnson in his new frightening avatar on an Australian pitch bowling 90mph thunderbolts while we were chasing a huge score. How easy do you think this sport is?? You write some stuff and then pretend it was easy peasy. Your description and narrative doesnt alter reality.

WC2019: You trivialize the swinging conditions like its not really all that big a deal. Against Boult and co. of all bowling attacks!! How many times have we seen scoreboard reading 23/4 in cloudy conditions when boult is on song. Regarding planting the foot to play across - yes he could have been more careful and he was not but dude that doesnt make him a choker.

Choking is what happened to south africa in 2011 knockout.
Choking is what happened to pak in 2011 semis, To Misbah against Joginder Sharma
Choking is what happened to pak in 1999 WC final. The whole frigging team choked!
Choking is what happened to Australia against Stokesy recently in a test match.

In case you don't get it yet: NOT SCORING A MATCH WINNING CENTURY is not the same as choking.

Its hard to bring the great man down factually. So lets invent theories and keep repeating those.

Pathetic.

I again challenge you to name ONE player who could have done better than kohli FOR SURE in identical conditions.

I will rip your estimate to shreds.

Good day to you.

 

[tyron_woodley]

See his fitness and then reply.
That kl Rahul scored a century in Australia,
Helped India to win the series in 2017 against Australia.
He was termed as a next big thing last year.

his fitness is average. He isn't a great athletic by any means. For a start he is languid and lacks explosiveness. He already lost his hand eye coordination. He is just not good enough. Average technique on top all things.

For batting in particular, you need good hand eye coordination if you lack skills like warner.
Being technically correct to survive is outdated.

 

[tyron_woodley]

I think there is a lot of natural talent. But there are genuine technical issues plus work needs to be done on the mental side. He has to develop mental strength.
On any day I would say he is more likely to be a better bet than Pant.
Pant has too many chinks.

mental strength comes with confidence and he clearly lacks that. Fitness programs are designed to help you achieve the physical and mental strength required to handle pressure situations. You still need to be good enough in terms of skill too.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Lets see,
CT2017: chasing 340 plus in a tournament final after having possibly made the wrong call at the toss.
WC2015: In Australia, against Australia, chasing a huge score in a QF. Are you kidding me??
WC 2019: Clouds in the sky while Boult says hi!!
Not ONE player in the history of the game has done the supermaniacal tasks that you are pasting him for.
Have you seen him sporting his undies over the trousers somehow??
Do share the pic mate

2019 was a 2 day game. india are elite In one day games but not 2 day games. India also missed dhawan. Not to mention india picked bhuvi over shami for some strange reason.

2015 They had to win the toss. they were in a rebuilding phase and still came close to reaching finals. a good achievement in my opinion. Had india batted first india may have won.

 

[Rightarmfast]

I agree this Indian team would likely defeat the 2000 Aussie team with ease in India. They would be defeated with the same ease by the current 2019 Aussie test side in Australia imo, likely without winning a test.

They wouldn't challenge the best Australian, English, or South African teams of this century on their home pitches.

Other than India, no international test side is particularly strong right now, so the stage is set for an Indian dynasty. If they can regularly defeat most of their opposition away from home over the next decade, only then they can enter the conversation.

The South African team of the late 90s to early 2000's are the third strongest team I've seen behind the Windies of the 80s-mid 90's and the Aussie side of the late 90's to mid 2000's. Do you think the current Indian test side is of the same caliber?

And the basis of your argument would be? Not long ago, the Indians beat the Aussies in their den. A hypothetical situation of Smith and Warner doesnt change a thing. The Indians are a more settled team now. Rohit is breathing fire, we have Vihari too which means that our weakness of no 4,5 batsmen has almost been taken care of. India will beat Australia with even bigger margins.

Comparing with teams of the past like 70's and 80's is not a very smart thing to do because one can never be sure. The game has changed so much, they will find it alien to play with this set of rules, in these kind of pitches. With the improvement in fitness standards and technology into studying each player and analysing each player would mean that those legends will be micro analyzed and the present teams would latch on to their weakness. Something that the teams of the past did not have the luxury of. Things will get very interesting then. A deeper insight would say that the legendary teams of the past will underperform.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

The thing that Dravid was undoubtedly the best in the world is putting the opponent captain to sleep during a match

A simple data. Tendulkar has 32 international centuries against Australia and South Africa, that's right, 32 international centuries. On the other hand, Dravid has 4 international centuries against those same 2 teams, that's right, 4 international centuries.

Eh, number of centuries is not a great measure. Tendulkar has 3x the centuries of Bradman yet nobody compares them in tests.

 

[cricketjoshila]

no they wouldn't. not in india. they would get crushed just like everyone else.

Lol. These players ate up Warbe and Murali for fun. So Ashwin and co. Wont be doing much.

Shami and Bumrah are not better thsn the host of fast bowlers who toured India in 2000s and failed to win.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Lol. These players ate up Warbe and Murali for fun. So Ashwin and co. Wont be doing much.

Shami and Bumrah are not better thsn the host of fast bowlers who toured India in 2000s and failed to win.

Warne is trash in subcontinent. murali would get swept aside in india by the current India side. This india side wouldn't lose at home to spinners like swann and monty. I know that indian side was past their prime when they finally lost however they did lose in 04 too to Australia. Yes they missed 2 players but the current lot would never lose at home because it's their fortress even if key players are missing.

shami bumrah ishant and even yadav all know how to exploit the conditions in india. yadav averages under 18 at home. shami averages around 20. Bumrah is a once in a lifetime bowler. get outta here lol. This team would mutilate the 2000 era team comfortably at home. Not to mention 2 of India's greatest spinners of all time aka ashwin and jaddu lol.

Ganguly's india would get annihilated.

 

[Bhaijaan]

If this Indian team played West Indies they would be all out for less than 80 if the match is played on a lively wicket with India batting first.

Harsh but true.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

If this Indian team played West Indies they would be all out for less than 80 if the match is played on a lively wicket with India batting first.

Harsh but true.

If bradman played against current bowling attacks, he wouldnt score more than 20 with that horrid technique.

Still he is regarded as the best batsman of all time just bcoz he was a LONG WAY AHEAD OF HIS CONTEMPORARIES .

Quite similqr to this indian team isn't it?

 

[tyron_woodley]

If this Indian team played West Indies they would be all out for less than 80 if the match is played on a lively wicket with India batting first.

Harsh but true.

windies would get destroyed in india. a nice little cute phainta.

 

[andy0204]

windies would get destroyed in india. a nice little cute phainta.

This post confirms that you are a 12 year old boy.

 

[tyron_woodley]

This post confirms that you are a 12 year old boy.

different rules. bouncer rule. favourable rules for bowlers. no protection. less overs. poor strength and conditioning programs. lack of technology. no replay to study games.

if that w.indies plays against current India right now they would get wrecked. end of story.

if india is transposed into w.indies era then yes w.indies would beat india but no guarantee they would win in india against Virat's team. Virat's team is just too good at home.

goodbye.

 

[andy0204]

different rules. bouncer rule. favourable rules for bowlers. no protection. less overs. poor strength and conditioning programs. lack of technology. no replay to study games.

if that w.indies plays against current India right now they would get wrecked. end of story.

if india is transposed into w.indies era then yes w.indies would beat india but no guarantee they would win in india against Virat's team. Virat's team is just too good at home.

goodbye.

Let's see in future when some great team will come and someone tries to defend it and tries to degrade the team of kohli,same is happening here that you are trying to defend Kohli's team and degrading other teams of another
era.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Let's see in future when some great team will come and someone tries to defend it and tries to degrade the team of kohli,same is happening here that you are trying to defend Kohli's team and degrading other teams of another
era.

it's hard to say man. I think era Teams are hard to compare but post 90s you can get a better idea as there were tapes to study etc. Still doesn't factor in advamcements in technology, rule changes, nutritional supplements, strength and conditioning programs. These days there are specific coaches for an aspect of the game like power hitting. All factors need to be equal to determine who the better team is.

 

[Hitman]

Eh, number of centuries is not a great measure. Tendulkar has 3x the centuries of Bradman yet nobody compares them in tests.

That’s because Bradman played 60 Tests compared to Tendulkar’s 200 Tests. Nice try though.

 

[andy0204]

That’s because Bradman played 60 Tests compared to Tendulkar’s 200 Tests. Nice try though.

Do you know Bradman missed matches due to world war?
That's the reason he played only 60 matches.

 

[Hitman]

Do you know Bradman missed matches due to world war?
That's the reason he played only 60 matches.

Did you even grasp the context of my post?

 

[MP2011]

Do you know Bradman missed matches due to world war?
That's the reason he played only 60 matches.

Do you know India played just 69 tests (barely 7 tests per year) in '90s, a decade when Tendulkar was at his best?

That's the reason why he played only 200 tests in his test career and could score only 51 test tons. He could've easily scored 60+ test tons had India played more tests in '90s.